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Washington (CNN): The US military has dropped an enormous bomb in Afghanistan, according to four US military officials with direct knowledge of the mission.

A GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb, nicknamed MOAB, was dropped at 7 p.m. local time Thursday, the sources said.

The MOAB is also known as the "mother of all bombs." A MOAB is a 21,600-pound, GPS-guided munition that is America's most powerful non-nuclear bomb.

The bomb was dropped by an MC-130 aircraft, operated by Air Force Special Operations Command, according to the military sources.

They said the target was ISIS tunnels and personnel in the Achin district of the Nangarhar province.

The military is currently assessing the damage. Gen. John Nicholson, commander of US forces in Afghanistan, signed off on the use of the bomb, according to the sources.

This is the first time a MOAB has been used in the battlefield, according to the US officials. This munition was developed during the Iraq War.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/13/politics/afghanistan-isis-moab-bomb/
 
Kind of like carpet bombing that destroys the underground tunnels too then.

Hope civilians did not get killed.
 
In other words, this was a field test for the MOAB to gauge it's true effectiveness against a real enemy. Afghanistan is now the new testing ground for newly developed weapons.
 
Hope there wasn't any collateral damage to the innocent folks.
 
In other words, this was a field test for the MOAB to gauge it's true effectiveness against a real enemy. Afghanistan is now the new testing ground for newly developed weapons.

Ofcourse, but our Afghan brothers will be silent.
 
Kind of like carpet bombing that destroys the underground tunnels too then.

Hope civilians did not get killed.
A bomb like this will create shock waves akin to a mini earthquake that will trigger landslides and mudslides many miles from the original target resulting in almost certain civilian deaths.
 
95,000 people live where Trump just dropped the biggest non nuclear bomb in Afghanistan with a blast radius of a mile in every direction. The bomb cost them $314 million to build, so much investment in aero and defence but little when it comes to education or healthcare. As Brits we're bad but not on the US level when it comes to "defence" spending.

Also, the UAV global market value is projected to be close to $30 billion by 2022! it's just a small example in terms of pointing out how financially lucrative war is for the US and their allies so don't expect the situation in the middle east, Afghanistan or Iraq to resolve anytime soon because it would be very counter productive from the west's perspective.
 
95,000 people live where Trump just dropped the biggest non nuclear bomb in Afghanistan with a blast radius of a mile in every direction. The bomb cost them $314 million to build, so much investment in aero and defence but little when it comes to education or healthcare. As Brits we're bad but not on the US level when it comes to "defence" spending.

Also, the UAV global market value is projected to be close to $30 billion by 2022! it's just a small example in terms of pointing out how financially lucrative war is for the US and their allies so don't expect the situation in the middle east, Afghanistan or Iraq to resolve anytime soon because it would be very counter productive from the west's perspective.

President Eisenhower's concerns about military-industrial complex truly have proved correct beyond any doubt.
 
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95,000 people live where Trump just dropped the biggest non nuclear bomb in Afghanistan with a blast radius of a mile in every direction. The bomb cost them $314 million to build, so much investment in aero and defence but little when it comes to education or healthcare. As Brits we're bad but not on the US level when it comes to "defence" spending.

Also, the UAV global market value is projected to be close to $30 billion by 2022! it's just a small example in terms of pointing out how financially lucrative war is for the US and their allies so don't expect the situation in the middle east, Afghanistan or Iraq to resolve anytime soon because it would be very counter productive from the west's perspective.

UK cannot shy away from this,they have blood on their hands from Iraq,Libya,Afghanistan and the big tornados bombing Syria.
UK PM has tried multiple times to sell us their jets,find it amazing as to "not that bad" when the bad level benchmark is satan 1000.
 
UK cannot shy away from this,they have blood on their hands from Iraq,Libya,Afghanistan and the big tornados bombing Syria.
UK PM has tried multiple times to sell us their jets,find it amazing as to "not that bad" when the bad level benchmark is satan 1000.

No, you are wrong because the UK does not spend the amount the US does on defence; that's not to suggest that they don't abuse export laws. However, defence spending is 2% of the GDP and declining each year. For a NATO state the UK spend the absolute minimum and a big portion of that constituents pension, also following the 2010 defence review many ships and planes have been retired while a third of the army was removed. There certainly is blood on their hands to no denying that but I think it's stupid if people think it's on the level of US
 
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Also, it's completely fine to sell jets to India. No.1 India are a very ethical nation and no.2 if they do want to go to war and commit genocides their pilots are generally rubbish and incompetent to the point where they would probably eject just after taking off.
 
No, you are wrong because the UK does not spend the amount the US does on defence; that's not to suggest that they don't abuse export laws. However, defence spending is 2% of the GDP and declining each year. For a NATO state the UK spend the absolute minimum and a big portion of that constituents pension, also following the 2010 defence review many ships and planes have been retired while a third of the army was removed. There certainly is blood on their hands to no denying that but I think it's stupid if people think it's on the level of US

Also, it's completely fine to sell jets to India. No.1 India are a very ethical nation and no.2 if they do want to go to war and commit genocides their pilots are generally rubbish and incompetent to the point where they would probably eject just after taking off.

USA probably learnt bullying from the Empire which thinks of itself as the second coming of advanced civilization.

And Our airforce has routinely been doing better against British airforce in combined exercises,the last time you guys did well was 2011 mate,things change the sun has set on the empire.
 
USA probably learnt bullying from the Empire which thinks of itself as the second coming of advanced civilization.

And Our airforce has routinely been doing better against British airforce in combined exercises,the last time you guys did well was 2011 mate,things change the sun has set on the empire.

Well that comment is pretty mentally inept, nonsensical and disingenuous on so many levels with regards to the discussion at present, such narrow mindedness tends to be resorted to when facts are not disputed to the point where we begin to recall the beatings the empire gave our ancestors :mv Well that's the bar isn't it for the Indian air force bragging about petty exercises, it's a laughable to suggest they'd have a chance against the Bangladesh Air Force let alone the greatest air force on the planet.
 
Well that comment is pretty mentally inept, nonsensical and disingenuous on so many levels with regards to the discussion at present, such narrow mindedness tends to be resorted to when facts are not disputed to the point where we begin to recall the beatings the empire gave our ancestors :mv Well that's the bar isn't it for the Indian air force bragging about petty exercises, it's a laughable to suggest they'd have a chance against the Bangladesh Air Force let alone the greatest air force on the planet.

What makes you think the IAF pilots can't take on the British ones or any countries as that?
The fact is for your population UK spends very high Shaz posting the link below you can google it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

Now remember in this case if you say it only 2% of GDP according to data of USA its only 3.3%,Pakistan 3.4 and India 2.3
 
What makes you think the IAF pilots can't take on the British ones or any countries as that?
The fact is for your population UK spends very high Shaz posting the link below you can google it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

Now remember in this case if you say it only 2% of GDP according to data of USA its only 3.3%,Pakistan 3.4 and India 2.3

Those numbers pretty much back up my previous post when it comes to UK spending and the cuts which have been made. You seriously believe the IAF would remotely stand a chance against the Royal Air Force? :yk
 
Those numbers pretty much back up my previous post when it comes to UK spending and the cuts which have been made. You seriously believe the IAF would remotely stand a chance against the Royal Air Force? :yk

Ok bro congrats on being the second biggest evil in defense arena.
No i don't think the IAF would equal RAF only because of the tech of UK air crafts not the talent of pilots.
 
Ok bro congrats on being the second biggest evil in defense arena.
No i don't think the IAF would equal RAF only because of the tech of UK air crafts not the talent of pilots.

And according to your logic congrats on marginally being less evil then the UK, based on on that expenditure table US is at no.1, UK at no.5 and India at no.6.

What makes you think Indian pilots are more talented? they would destroy you with F-16's even if the IAF had EuroFighters
 
And according to your logic congrats on marginally being less evil then the UK, based on on that expenditure table US is at no.1, UK at no.5 and India at no.6.

What makes you think Indian pilots are more talented? they would destroy you with F-16's even if the IAF had EuroFighters

That's based on nothing,no data which is what you accused me mate.
And yes still below UK just like you are ok being below USA.
 
That's based on nothing,no data which is what you accused me mate.
And yes still below UK just like you are ok being below USA.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that in both instances that it's not ethical; I merely pointed out how the UK's defence spending is declining every year with facts and being a lot less then the US but obviously you remembered the beatings the empire gave your ancestors from years and years ago :mv

There is nothing which suggests that Indian pilots are more skillful then British ones.
 
I thought the MOAB had been deployed before.

It's not actually as heavy as a kind of bomb the RAF used in WW2, though a lot more powerful and accurate of course.
 
I thought the MOAB had been deployed before.

It's not actually as heavy as a kind of bomb the RAF used in WW2, though a lot more powerful and accurate of course.

Exactly and that was many moons ago! now after all those years of experience our pilot training is a lot more advanced systematically and in terms of the infranstructure (we have improved at each stage and are a well oiled unit) in comparison to any other country yet people feel Indian pilots are superior in terms of skill :yk
 
difference between us Brits is that we actually improved the places we conquered. Without Britain it wouldnt be 50% of Indians defecating on the streets it would be 100%. Uncle Sam offers nothing but bombs and Hollywood n McDonalds it has no class like Britain. Britain gave India its parliamentary system and left the world a better place than when it found it.

Its an insult to compare America to Great Britain. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]
 
difference between us Brits is that we actually improved the places we conquered. Without Britain it wouldnt be 50% of Indians defecating on the streets it would be 100%. Uncle Sam offers nothing but bombs and Hollywood n McDonalds it has no class like Britain. Britain gave India its parliamentary system and left the world a better place than when it found it.

Its an insult to compare America to Great Britain. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

I totally agree, assuming they do have a couple of grievances it's beyond me why they'd not be able to get over it after so many years especially those who did not even live during the empire; the defecation must be a consequence of their hate which is actually not very healthy in terms of a quest for world peace! no one in the UK is like come on lads lets finish of the Indians, we're a very tolerant nation which looks to build bridges! sure no one is perfect but the sentiment stands:faf
 
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On the day of Jallianwala Bagh massacre by the British killing atleast 1000 Punjabis,USA following well the footsteps. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]
 
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good stuff.


Not very easy to fight wars in these cave areas.

If Afghanistan is not gonna clean its own mess, then this is the way to do it.

THis way, not only US stays safe, but UK and especially Pakistan stays safe.

Finally after all the taliban crap, we need some peace, and ISIS is the last thing that needs to enter our country.

Atleast such attacks will stop future ISIS attacks
 
The bomb btw isn't that much bigger than the BLU-82B/C-130 which the US has been dropping in Afghanistan for years...
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I vehemently and in strongest words condemn the dropping of the latest weapon, the largest non-nuclear <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/bomb?src=hash">#bomb</a>, on Afghanistan by US...1/2</p>— Hamid Karzai (@KarzaiH) <a href="https://twitter.com/KarzaiH/status/852606412064772096">April 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2/2 military. This is not the war on terror but the inhuman and most brutal misuse of our country as testing ground for new and dangerous...</p>— Hamid Karzai (@KarzaiH) <a href="https://twitter.com/KarzaiH/status/852606929142722560">April 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Karzai expressed his disapproval.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I vehemently and in strongest words condemn the dropping of the latest weapon, the largest non-nuclear <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/bomb?src=hash">#bomb</a>, on Afghanistan by US...1/2</p>— Hamid Karzai (@KarzaiH) <a href="https://twitter.com/KarzaiH/status/852606412064772096">April 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Karzai expressed his disapproval.

Reading a BBC article that the everything was coordinated as such from the Americans that collateral damage would be minimised :yk2
 
The Isis in Afghanistan are the TTP who've fled from FATA and gone under the Isis umbrella for further support and funding to sustain themselves. They're supported by foreign intelligence agencies to solely attack Pakistan, they don't attack Afghanistan. They are however engaged in a bloody war with the Afghan Taliban who hate Isis but they both hate the US. Hitting the TTP with a MOAB (straight out of call of duty) is the most pro Pakistan thing Trump or any US president has done since the days of Reagan.
 
Also, it's completely fine to sell jets to India. No.1 India are a very ethical nation and no.2 if they do want to go to war and commit genocides their pilots are generally rubbish and incompetent to the point where they would probably eject just after taking off.

Reminds me of the 1965 war. I think their 12 pilots killed themselves because they lost control over their jets.
 
They're supported by foreign intelligence agencies to solely attack Pakistan, they don't attack Afghanistan.

What Foreign agencies? That's not even true, at least search the internet for a second before making these claims. They have carried out multiple attacks against Afghanistan. The most recent one I remember was on a hospital in Kabul.
 
Nothing but another deflection for Trump now he is going to go back to his supporters and say see we are bombing the hell out of isis. What a joke. Can't take the media seriously anymore they are all over this as if this accomplishes anything.
 
The bomb btw isn't that much bigger than the BLU-82B/C-130 which the US has been dropping in Afghanistan for years...

This..Moab has never been used before, so its theatrics for now. But Wikileaks has an interesting stats.

http://blogs.cfr.org/zenko/2017/01/05/bombs-dropped-in-2016/

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Nothing new for Pentagon. Also, those tunnels that were bombed were built by CIA for mujahedeen.
 
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I guess the questions that need to be asked which haven't and possibly won't are whether the strike achieved its objectives (ie destroyed the tunnels), whether civilians died or not...whether precautions were taken in regards to limiting civilian deaths...and in the case there are civilian deaths whether the strike was proportionate to the threat...
 
Smaller states shouldn't mess with superpowers like us.

Great decision by the Prez. :trump2

#HomeOfTheBrave
 
I thought the MOAB had been deployed before.

It's not actually as heavy as a kind of bomb the RAF used in WW2, though a lot more powerful and accurate of course.

They wanted to use it in Iraq but the Republican guard fought in urban areas so considering it's blast radius the consequence would have been serious civilian death so they decided against it...

The limited information so far suggests in this case this is an isolated area...
 
It doesn't take a genius to work out that in both instances that it's not ethical; I merely pointed out how the UK's defence spending is declining every year with facts and being a lot less then the US but obviously you remembered the beatings the empire gave your ancestors from years and years ago :mv

There is nothing which suggests that Indian pilots are more skillful then British ones.

Aren't you a half Jamaican or something mate? lmao I'm gonna stop right here.
 
I thought the MOAB had been deployed before.

It's not actually as heavy as a kind of bomb the RAF used in WW2, though a lot more powerful and accurate of course.

I think Russia developed an even bigger bomb than the previous MOAB and they dubbed it FOAB. I guess the Yanks don't like being outdone by anyone else so they cam e up with the new and improved MOAB.
 
difference between us Brits is that we actually improved the places we conquered. Without Britain it wouldnt be 50% of Indians defecating on the streets it would be 100%. Uncle Sam offers nothing but bombs and Hollywood n McDonalds it has no class like Britain. Britain gave India its parliamentary system and left the world a better place than when it found it.

Its an insult to compare America to Great Britain. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Utter rubbish post. Britain did not give India or any of its colonies anything. Colonialism was nothing more than extraction of resources while destroying the native industries and creating generational poverty. Colonial powers left the world a much worse place than it was before it. America is a child compared to what Britain and Spain have done around the world.
 
difference between us Brits is that we actually improved the places we conquered. Without Britain it wouldnt be 50% of Indians defecating on the streets it would be 100%. Uncle Sam offers nothing but bombs and Hollywood n McDonalds it has no class like Britain. Britain gave India its parliamentary system and left the world a better place than when it found it.

This is the problem! The US looks for short term gain. Having armed the Afghans during their war with the Soviet client regime / Soviet military, they should have stayed the course, built infrastructure, invested in the peace. But they left the Afghans hanging and the Taleban filled the void, and much pain followed.
 
This is the problem! The US looks for short term gain. Having armed the Afghans during their war with the Soviet client regime / Soviet military, they should have stayed the course, built infrastructure, invested in the peace. But they left the Afghans hanging and the Taleban filled the void, and much pain followed.
How do you justify selling weapons to the Saudis in the Yemen conflict, long term pain (for Yemen) for long term gain (to the UK) I guess? Let's not pretend the UK is any better than the US when it comes to imperialism & colonialism, your appeasement of dictators, including Hitler, is no less or worse than the US it's just that the yanks are more brazen about it.
 
The Whites might kill each other (Elizabeth 1 and the Spanish Armada, the old French and German rivarly, ...), but when it comes to non Whites, they all find a new fraternity (look at Europeans in China).

It's the same with Brits and AmreeKKKans : the former has become a vassal while the latter is just following the British Empire's geopolitics (Mackinder, Brezinsky, Heartland theory, etc, etc). They're different symptoms of the same disease : White capitalistic imperialism.

The proof that they launched the most lethal non-nuclear bomb on "ISIS" is a proof : so called ISIS-K, which is made up of few dozens of TTP members, probably didn't even make 0.02% of that area, with all its leadership being decimated in the last two years or so ; but as if the continuing aerial assassinations through drones weren't enough, the White had to use their toys on a war-ravaged nation for the sake of it.

Do you guys expect Whites launching bombs on Chicago because of its gangs (who are proportionally more important than ISIS in Nangarhar province could ever be) ?

That's why we must be behind the rise of both China and India. It's the only way to definitely kick the pink a** out of Asia and Africa and stop them for using Indians, Vietnamese, Afghans, ... as guinea pigs for their worst ideologies and technologies.

And lmao @ Pak*s calling themselves "Brits". The "Brits" less than a century ago wouldn't even deem you worthy of being spit on. But keep selling your honour for less than oxygen, it's perhaps already too much.
 
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What Foreign agencies? That's not even true, at least search the internet for a second before making these claims. They have carried out multiple attacks against Afghanistan. The most recent one I remember was on a hospital in Kabul.

They have a bloody war going on with the Afghan Taliban, which I mentioned. Read what's written properly before questioning my knowledge. When I refer to the Afghanistan I refer to the Afghan government not the whole country. They do attack places in Afghanistan but vast areas of the country aren't even controlled by the government. If you don't no about foreign agencies, may God help you and your ignorance. Maybe you should search the internet and see statements coming in from Uzair Baloch and Yadav and there connections with the TTP and RAW. And if you didn't know the core of Isis fighters are TTP members, may God help you in searching the internet once more.
 
They have a bloody war going on with the Afghan Taliban, which I mentioned. Read what's written properly before questioning my knowledge. When I refer to the Afghanistan I refer to the Afghan government not the whole country. They do attack places in Afghanistan but vast areas of the country aren't even controlled by the government. If you don't no about foreign agencies, may God help you and your ignorance. Maybe you should search the internet and see statements coming in from Uzair Baloch and Yadav and there connections with the TTP and RAW. And if you didn't know the core of Isis fighters are TTP members, may God help you in searching the internet once more.

ISIS and Afghan Taliban have a war going on for mostly sectarian reasons(ISIS are wahabi, Taliban are deobandi) and control of territory, not because of one's love and the other's hatred of Pakistan. Hell, a Pakistani state backed organization, LeT, has been one of the biggest facilitators of ISIS in Afghanistan who are mostly concentrated in areas with a heavy LeT and negligible Taliban presence. The finer details of all the different terrorist organization operating there and the network of alliances is often lost on the less informed e.g. most people don't even know about LeT presence in Afghanistan or how they fit into the jigsaw but rest assured, Pakistan isn't what it's all about and these organization have their own goals and objectives that don't revolve around Pakistan in one way or the other. ISIS isn't focused on Pakistan though they wouldn't mind getting their hands on Pakistani territory. If they were, there would be repercussions here for LeT's leadership for supporting ISIS in Afghanistan because for better or for worse, LeT still depends on the Pakistani deep state for it's survival and cooperating with a TTP ally would make life very hard for them.
 
500 Pakistanis including ISI officers blown up in mammoth Afghan bombing by US??

http://www.oneindia.com/internation...-in-us-2404608.html?google_editors_picks=true

As per afghan media and bilal sarwary ( freelance journalist) who have spoken to locals and local commanders, the Isis members were mostly Pakistani , there was a huge gathering of around 70 odd members. No local has been killed as they had already removed the civilians from the area. However, some locals suffered minor injuries from broken glass etc within 1km of the area. The US and Afghan forces had been fighting Isis for long but they kept hidin in those caves. Hope we have seen the last of them.
 
On the 500 figure its far too round ...and also it's vague ...

500 IS members then it's a successful operation ...

500 civilians then it is a disaster ...
 
This is the area where the bomb was dropped. The mountains have no civilians and fighting is still on going.
 

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This operation was carried out with the support of the Afghan government...
Afghan Defence Ministry has said 36 IS soldiers have been killed...0 civilians...
Destruction of the tunnels ie IS's base...
Destruction of a large number of weapons...

The comparison with a nuke seems a bit off:

The #MOAB explosive yield is 0.011 kilotons, typical nuclear yield is 10-180 kilotons - the US alone possesses over 7000 nuclear weapons

The use of language keeps referring to the area as 'remote'...and the suggestion at least from those who support the action is that civilians fled the area once anti-IS operations begun which was quite a while ago...this just happens to be the largest bomb the US have dropped...
 
They have a bloody war going on with the Afghan Taliban, which I mentioned. Read what's written properly before questioning my knowledge. When I refer to the Afghanistan I refer to the Afghan government not the whole country. If you don't no about foreign agencies, may God help you and your ignorance. Maybe you should search the internet and see statements coming in from Uzair Baloch and Yadav and there connections with the TTP and RAW. And if you didn't know the core of Isis fighters are TTP members, may God help you in searching the internet once more.

Ameen. Yes they do attack Afghan government. I mentioned one instance in the other post or do you think hospital is not a property of Afghan government? Why do you think America dropped MOAB on ISIS. Because there is a bloody war going on between Afghan government and ISIS and Afghanistan is trying to take those areas back from ISIS. I searched about ISIS-K and their link with foreign agencies. All I found was conspiracy theories and you probably believe them. I don't believe a word those two guys say about TTP and RAW. Could you please post a credible source about this foreign agnecy conspiracy.

So if I am getting this right you are trying to imply that ISIS doesn't attack Afghan government because they are India's ally and backed by RAW? Lol. Anyways welcome to timepass. This is not Facebook and people will challenge whatever you say.
 
good stuff.


Not very easy to fight wars in these cave areas.

If Afghanistan is not gonna clean its own mess, then this is the way to do it.

THis way, not only US stays safe, but UK and especially Pakistan stays safe.

Finally after all the taliban crap, we need some peace, and ISIS is the last thing that needs to enter our country.

Atleast such attacks will stop future ISIS attacks

This has to be one of the worst posts I've ever read in my life.

Over 40 nations became an alliance and invaded Afghanistan 15 years ago. Thousands of bombs have been dropped but yet the 'Taliban' control the majority of Afghanistan. If you think this bomb will make any difference, you have not noticed the last 15 years.

There is no ISIS in Afghanistan anyway.

The US should send it's so called great special forces on the ground to run through these caves and take out a bunch of slipper wearing old men but don't have the courage to do so.

The only way to bring lasting peace is to get the * out of other peoples lands so they can over time create a stable land.
 
The top US military commander in Afghanistan says the decision to use a powerful bomb in the country was based purely on tactical considerations.

Gen John Nicholson said the most powerful non-nuclear bomb ever used by the US in combat had been the right weapon to target a suspected Islamic State (IS) base in Nangarhar province.

A 300m (328yds) long network of tunnels and caves was destroyed, he said.

The US coordinated the attack with Afghanistan, Afghan officials said.

About 36 suspected militants were killed, according to Afghan officials, but IS has denied suffering any casualties.

How powerful is "the mother of all bombs"?

Known as the "mother of all bombs", or MOAB, the device was dropped on Thursday evening by an MC-130 transport plane, falling in Nangarhar's Achin district.

Chief Executive of Afghanistan Abdullah Abdullah said the attack had been carried out in co-ordination with his government and "great care had been taken to avoid civilian harm".

When IS announced the establishment of its Khorasan branch - an old name for Afghanistan and surrounding areas - in January 2015, it was the first time the group had officially spread outside the Arab world.

'Lightning like a thunder storm'

"The enemy had created bunkers, tunnels and extensive mine fields, and this weapon was used to reduce those obstacles so that we could continue our offensive in southern Nangarhar," said Gen Nicholson.

US and Afghan forces at the site saw "no evidence of civilian casualties", he added.

US President Donald Trump called the strike "another successful job".

Local eyewitness Qari Mehrajuddin first saw "lightning like a thunder storm" followed by the roar of an explosion, he was quoted as saying by Reuters news agency.

"I thought there was a bombing just outside my home," he added but, in reality, the blast was around 5km (three miles) away, according to Reuters.

The 21,600lb (9,800kg) bomb also destroyed a large stash of weapons, the Afghan defence ministry says.

IS commander Siddiq Yar was among those killed, presidential spokesman Shah Hussain Murtazawi told the BBC.

The clue is in the ungainly name - the MOAB or GBU-43/B massive ordnance air blast is the US military's most destructive conventional (that is non-nuclear) bomb.

It is a huge weapon and is GPS-guided. It was dropped from a MC-130 aircraft - the US Special Forces variant of the Hercules transport. The weapon is carried on a special cradle inside the aircraft from which it is extracted by a parachute.

Its principal effect is a massive blast over a huge area. It is a larger version of weapons used during the Vietnam War.

The Trump administration's policy towards Afghanistan remains under consideration but the use of this weapon sends a powerful signal that IS is top of the administration's target list wherever its offshoots may be found.

Achin district governor Ismail Shinwary told the BBC that Afghan special forces, with the help of American air support, had begun anti-IS operations in the area 13 days ago.

He said IS targets had been bombed regularly but "last night's bombarding was very powerful... the biggest I have ever seen".

A member of an anti-IS group in the area who gave his name only as Mohammad told the BBC all civilians had left the area since the start of the anti-IS operations.

Achin resident Mir Alam Shinwari told Reuters that IS were "not human beings, they are savages".

"They used to marry our daughters and wives to their fighters, blamed residents for spying, they beheaded, cut [off] hands and did not allow mobile phones that had cameras," he said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39603122?ocid=socialflow_twitter
 
This has to be one of the worst posts I've ever read in my life.

Over 40 nations became an alliance and invaded Afghanistan 15 years ago. Thousands of bombs have been dropped but yet the 'Taliban' control the majority of Afghanistan. If you think this bomb will make any difference, you have not noticed the last 15 years.

There is no ISIS in Afghanistan anyway.

The US should send it's so called great special forces on the ground to run through these caves and take out a bunch of slipper wearing old men but don't have the courage to do so.

The only way to bring lasting peace is to get the * out of other peoples lands so they can over time create a stable land.

Talking about courage, why even use guns then. How about street side wrestling and some punches to settle scores? :))

Why would you spend a ton of money and send in army to individual caves which may be ridden with mines and risk soldiers life when they can easily drop a bomb? I admire your intelligence.

You are saying there is no ISIS in Afghanistan. Obviously you know sitting in UK in your A/C room more than CIA. :murali
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bomb the hell out of ISIS: ✔️ <br><br>Another promise kept <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Moab?src=hash">#Moab</a> &#55357;&#56483; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/maga?src=hash">#maga</a></p>— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) <a href="https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/852945583945986049">April 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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This has to be one of the worst posts I've ever read in my life.

Over 40 nations became an alliance and invaded Afghanistan 15 years ago. Thousands of bombs have been dropped but yet the 'Taliban' control the majority of Afghanistan. If you think this bomb will make any difference, you have not noticed the last 15 years.

There is no ISIS in Afghanistan anyway.

The US should send it's so called great special forces on the ground to run through these caves and take out a bunch of slipper wearing old men but don't have the courage to do so.

The only way to bring lasting peace is to get the * out of other peoples lands so they can over time create a stable land.

You should reread the whole article and all

This bomb is very handy for being used in caves. Its ridiculous to send the army their that is t familiar with all the terrain

Afghanistan cant fix their problems, and terrorist in afghanistan is a threat for our nationa pakistan.

Its better if US gets involved.
 
How do you justify selling weapons to the Saudis in the Yemen conflict, long term pain (for Yemen) for long term gain (to the UK) I guess? Let's not pretend the UK is any better than the US when it comes to imperialism & colonialism, your appeasement of dictators, including Hitler, is no less or worse than the US it's just that the yanks are more brazen about it.

1. Because if British firms don't benefit from this export mraket then some other country's will.

2. Britain declared war on Hitler.
 
Talking about courage, why even use guns then. How about street side wrestling and some punches to settle scores? :))

Why would you spend a ton of money and send in army to individual caves which may be ridden with mines and risk soldiers life when they can easily drop a bomb? I admire your intelligence.

You are saying there is no ISIS in Afghanistan. Obviously you know sitting in UK in your A/C room more than CIA. :murali

Im sure you also believed there were weapons of mass desctruction in Iraq or Gaddafi was about to commit mass genocide on his own people or maybe perhaps the chemical weapons used by Assad in Syria. Only a fool would take the word of proven liars. I suggest do you own resreach and apply some logic to find the truth.

Btw air alone can never secure victory over any large group.
 
You should reread the whole article and all

This bomb is very handy for being used in caves. Its ridiculous to send the army their that is t familiar with all the terrain

Afghanistan cant fix their problems, and terrorist in afghanistan is a threat for our nationa pakistan.

Its better if US gets involved.

This bomb isn't much bigger than previous one. The whole excerise was to use Afghanitan as a testing ground not to clear out ISIS as claimed.

It was the US and it's allies who invaded Afghanistan in 2001, since then Pakistan has been ruined. Continue wishing them in the region but then don't complain when it directly effects Pakistan.
 
Im sure you also believed there were weapons of mass desctruction in Iraq or Gaddafi was about to commit mass genocide on his own people or maybe perhaps the chemical weapons used by Assad in Syria. Only a fool would take the word of proven liars. I suggest do you own resreach and apply some logic to find the truth.

Btw air alone can never secure victory over any large group.

The mistake that you make KKWC...is you assume that EVERYTHING is a lie...all sides tell lies...but sometimes there is truth also...there seems to be this bizarre assertion that ONLY Western countries lie...I mean some idiot was saying Assad didnt attack his people...and when asked for an evidence he said because Assad denied doing it...the burden of proof people require from non westerners is ridiculous...

The WMD thing has been disproven...as has the Gaddafi thing...the Assad thing has a lot of question marks...you would think at least that Assad would at least have the same story as the Russians...

Seems there are plenty of sources stating that IS are present in Afghanistan including themselves...aren't the Khorasan branch currently fighting both the Taliban and the Afghan security forces...if you're disbelieving their actual existence then you really are delving into conspiracy theory territory...

What is usually up for debate is the effectiveness of the attack and the proportionality of the attack...ie is the 38 number true for combatants...and the 0 true for civilians...these questions are up for debate...and always are...ie one side says combatants are civilians and the other might call civilians combatants...but the existence of IS in Afghanistan isn't some myth...

And as for the attack itself who needs to send men into a tunnel to fight when you can drop a bomb on the tunnel...thankfully you're not a general...
 
'It felt like the heavens were falling': Afghans reel from Moab impact

After his evening prayers, Mohammad Shahzadah closed the house gates and sat down for dinner. Then the blast came, engulfing the sky in flames and sending tremors through the ground.

“The earth felt like a boat in a storm,” Shahzadah said. “I thought my house was being bombed. Last year a drone strike targeted a house next to mine, but this time it felt like the heavens were falling. The children and women were very scared.”

The US dropped its largest non-nuclear bomb ever used in combat on eastern Afghanistan on Thursday in another dramatic show of military force by the Trump administration.

The GBU-43/B, colloquially known as the “mother of all bombs” or Moab, targeted tunnels and bunkers in Achin district in Nangarhar province, built by fighters loyal to Islamic State who also kept prisoners there.

A GPS-guided demolition bomb with an explosive yield equivalent to 11 tonnes of TNT, it explodes above ground with a radius of more than a mile.

The bomb was dropped in the mountains close to Moman village in an area called Asadkhel. About 1.5 miles away, in Shaddle Bazar where Shahzadah lives, the impact was palpable.

“My ears were deaf for a while. My windows and doors are broken. There are cracks in the walls,” he said.

The US military said it had killed 36 militants. The following morning around 9am, fighter jets strafed the area, a local police commander, Baaz Jan, said.

“We don’t know who was killed yesterday or this morning. But there is confusion and fear in the radio chats we are intercepting. There is limited communication among Isis fighters,” he said.

A local security official said they had requested a large strike because fighter jets and drones had failed to the destroy the tunnel complex.

The top US commander in Afghanistan, General John Nicholson, told reporters in Kabul that the decision to drop the bomb was made in Afghanistan, not in Washington, DC. “Since early March, we’ve been conducting offensive operations into southern Nangarhar,” Nicholson said. “However, this was the first time we encountered an extensive obstacle to our progress.”

Some observers, however, questioned the necessity of deploying a weapon of that scale against a group whose estimated 600 to 800 fighters pose only a limited threat to the Afghan state.

“There is no doubt that Isis are brutal and that they have committed atrocities against our people. But I don’t see why the bomb was dropped,” said the mayor of Achin, Naweed Shinwari. “It terrorised our people. My relatives thought the end of the world had come. Every day fighter jets, helicopters and drones are in the area.”

The US had sustained an air campaign to eradicate Isis in eastern Afghanistan for more than a year, and according to Borhan Osman, an Isis expert with the Afghanistan Analysts Network, it had already been effective.

“Isis was on the brink of losing their stronghold. It didn’t seem like there was a need for such a dramatic military measure,” he said.

Western security reports show that two days of regular airstrikes from 7 to 9 April killed 58 Isis militants.

“The greater threat to the government is the Taliban, but the US is fixated on this minor splinter group because, unlike the Taliban, the Isis group wants to destabilize the region,” said a western diplomat.

He speculated that the US was trying to send a message to countries in the region “that we’re all fighting the same enemy together”, but said the attack could erode US prestige among its allies.

“A basic tenet of international humanitarian law is the principle of distinction. You’re supposed to know what you’re hitting, and it’s not clear that any such targeting is possible with the Moab,” he said.

If the intention was to “shock and awe” Isis fighters and deter recruitment, Osman said he doubted it would be effective.

“Making such big news out of a small organisation, and countering this threat with such a huge measure could indeed make them look more attractive. One of the grounds on which Isis is building its recruitment drive is to say they are fighting the big enemy, the Americans.

“The more it can drive them to the battle, the more successful they are in recruiting anti-western radicals,” he said.

In an attempt to mock the US, an official Isis outlet, Khilafah News, distributed photos on the Telegram messaging app shortly after the bombing of its fighters supposedly continuing daily life in Achin.

The Taliban, who are rivals of Isis, condemned the attack, which the group called an act of “terrorism”.

The Kabul government praised the strike, but Afghanistan’s former president Hamid Karzai denounced it, as did Afghanistan’s envoy to Pakistan, Omar Zakhilwal. It was “reprehensible and counterproductive,” Zakhilwal said on Twitter.

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Hours before Thursday’s bombing, the top US commander in Afghanistan, Gen John Nicholson, visited Nangarhar with the Afghan president’s national security adviser, minister of defence and intelligence chief.

The strike was closely coordinated with Afghan soldiers and special forces, and tribal elders had been informed to evacuate civilians, the district chief of Achin, Ismail Shinwari, said.

Sanat, a resident of Moman village, said he didn’t think any civilians were left in the area, but an MP from Nangarhar, Esmatullah Shinwari, said locals had told him a teacher and his young son had been killed.

As clearing operations continued into Friday, it was not possible to confirm casualties.

Donald Trump is not the first US president to bring heavy weapons down on Isis in Afghanistan. Last year, under Barack Obama, the US military deployed B-52s, which pack a payload three times greater than the Moab.

Javid Kohistani, a military analyst in Kabul, questioned the wisdom of such measures. “Isis has killed thousands of innocent Iraqis and Syrians. Why are they not dropping the bomb there? Why use it in Nangarhar?” he said.

To eradicate terrorism in Afghanistan, he said, the US should target the source of its finances and support. “The Trump government should put more pressure on Pakistan,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-were-falling-afghans-reel-from-moabs-impact
 
ISIS and Afghan Taliban have a war going on for mostly sectarian reasons(ISIS are wahabi, Taliban are deobandi) and control of territory, not because of one's love and the other's hatred of Pakistan. Hell, a Pakistani state backed organization, LeT, has been one of the biggest facilitators of ISIS in Afghanistan who are mostly concentrated in areas with a heavy LeT and negligible Taliban presence. The finer details of all the different terrorist organization operating there and the network of alliances is often lost on the less informed e.g. most people don't even know about LeT presence in Afghanistan or how they fit into the jigsaw but rest assured, Pakistan isn't what it's all about and these organization have their own goals and objectives that don't revolve around Pakistan in one way or the other. ISIS isn't focused on Pakistan though they wouldn't mind getting their hands on Pakistani territory. If they were, there would be repercussions here for LeT's leadership for supporting ISIS in Afghanistan because for better or for worse, LeT still depends on the Pakistani deep state for it's survival and cooperating with a TTP ally would make life very hard for them.

I never said Pakistan is the reason they're fighting. I agree with what you stated but it has nothing to do with point I was putting across. This attack was in the interest of Pakistan because it was against a group which destabilizes Pakistan. The core of Isis fighters aren't provided by LeT but LeJ who now affiliate with TTP who affiliate with Isis-k.
 
Ameen. Yes they do attack Afghan government. I mentioned one instance in the other post or do you think hospital is not a property of Afghan government? Why do you think America dropped MOAB on ISIS. Because there is a bloody war going on between Afghan government and ISIS and Afghanistan is trying to take those areas back from ISIS. I searched about ISIS-K and their link with foreign agencies. All I found was conspiracy theories and you probably believe them. I don't believe a word those two guys say about TTP and RAW. Could you please post a credible source about this foreign agnecy conspiracy.

So if I am getting this right you are trying to imply that ISIS doesn't attack Afghan government because they are India's ally and backed by RAW? Lol. Anyways welcome to timepass. This is not Facebook and people will challenge whatever you say.

Summa Ameen. Yadav is a serving high ranking naval officer in the Indian army, India has admitted to this much. He's in a part of Pakistan where normal Pakistanis never go to. He has admitted to Raw funding TTP and the role he's played in this. He has even stated that the Pakistani intelligence officials were cruel to him initially but when they found out he was a high ranking officer they treated him with the due respect an officer of his rank deserves. He is not being force fed these words, otherwise we can accuse India of doing the same thing with Ajmal kasab, but that is childish.

Isis-k is not backed by Raw but the core group of it's fighters are from TTP and LeJ. TTP and LeJ are Raw funded the same way the Afghan Taliban and LeT (as well as LeJ before it turned on Pakistan) were Isi backed. Nothing wrong with what Raw is doing, this is the dirty game of counter intelligence conducted by all major countries.

Of course Isis is anti-state and plans to establish a caliphate and what not but currently it's more engaged in surviving the onslaught from the Afghan Taliban who hate the Isis philosophy and are more into their own barbaric conservative pakhtoon tribal ways. There is also a slight divide in their deobandi and wahabi beliefs even though their core beliefs are mostly salfi, but the Afghan Taliban are more realistic than Isis. Isis is not directly backed by Raw but it is indirectly through its affiliation with TTP and LeJ. Isis is not an Afghan government ally but it is affiliated with a proxy of theirs. Proxy wars aren't black and white, there are multiple facets at play, my enemies enemy is not always my friend and my friends enemy is also sometimes my friend.

Also I don't post on facebook about such topics, my family has a rule against it because we don't want to give a view that may make us seem bias towards a certain group and may challenge our reputation as an unbiased media group, though I don't care but respect their wishes on social media platforms. I don't mind what I inform to others being challenged, my family does this for a living. My aim is to get the authentic information to the people as long as PEMRA rules are followed, but no need to follow them on timepass. My point was this attack was in the interest of Pakistan because it was against a group which destabilizes Pakistan, finally both Afghanistan and Pakistan have a common enemy, time to celebrate.
 
Summa Ameen. Yadav is a serving high ranking naval officer in the Indian army, India has admitted to this much. He's in a part of Pakistan where normal Pakistanis never go to. He has admitted to Raw funding TTP and the role he's played in this. He has even stated that the Pakistani intelligence officials were cruel to him initially but when they found out he was a high ranking officer they treated him with the due respect an officer of his rank deserves. He is not being force fed these words, otherwise we can accuse India of doing the same thing with Ajmal kasab, but that is childish.

Isis-k is not backed by Raw but the core group of it's fighters are from TTP and LeJ. TTP and LeJ are Raw funded the same way the Afghan Taliban and LeT (as well as LeJ before it turned on Pakistan) were Isi backed. Nothing wrong with what Raw is doing, this is the dirty game of counter intelligence conducted by all major countries.

My point was this attack was in the interest of Pakistan because it was against a group which destabilizes Pakistan, finally both Afghanistan and Pakistan have a common enemy, time to celebrate.

Better post this time but I disagree with your first paragraph. Everyone deserves respect regardless of their rank and prisoners shouldn't be tortured. He deserves to be detained for being in wrong part of country but I am skeptical of rest of the story. So we agree that Pakistani intelligence was cruel to him. So why is it hard to believe that he wasn't tortured into admitting whatever he said? Yes we can and but there is nothing childish about it. Indian and Pakistani authorities are known for torturing people into false confessions. People should question this.

Wow can't believe you said there is nothing wrong with this proxy war. This form of thinking is probably normal within the governments of various countries. So it's ok for nations to put their citizens under danger just so they can drain the resources of rivals. We should ask the victims of these terrorists if it's ok or not.

But you said they don't attack Afghanistan/Afghan government, they have attacked them. Even the bomb was dropped to protect Afghan and allied troops.
 
Better post this time but I disagree with your first paragraph. Everyone deserves respect regardless of their rank and prisoners shouldn't be tortured. He deserves to be detained for being in wrong part of country but I am skeptical of rest of the story. So we agree that Pakistani intelligence was cruel to him. So why is it hard to believe that he wasn't tortured into admitting whatever he said? Yes we can and but there is nothing childish about it. Indian and Pakistani authorities are known for torturing people into false confessions. People should question this.

Wow can't believe you said there is nothing wrong with this proxy war. This form of thinking is probably normal within the governments of various countries. So it's ok for nations to put their citizens under danger just so they can drain the resources of rivals. We should ask the victims of these terrorists if it's ok or not.

But you said they don't attack Afghanistan/Afghan government, they have attacked them. Even the bomb was dropped to protect Afghan and allied troops.

These things are a matter of conjecture. We do not live in an ideal world, proxy wars are the norm, I wish they weren't but they are. We deal with intelligence officials very closely, and they let us know when certain statements are bogus and when they're not. Obviously they don't let any of this reach print. Intelligence agencies force the hands of media groups if you didn't know.

I meant they do not attack them the way the taliban attack the afghan government or ttp attack pakistan. They are a relatively new phenomena struggling to survive with very few attacks of note yet. But they are anti state and aim to bring about a caliphate so they will attack the government of course.

The bomb was dropped for multiple reasons; the particular region is difficult to govern, they wanted to try the bomb out, the Americans are paranoid of further Isis growth where there isn't the threat of Iran to curtail.
 
Drop 1000 small bombs or drop one BIG one - Difference?
 
Meanwhile one Pakistani news paper is reporting this:
 

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The mistake that you make KKWC...is you assume that EVERYTHING is a lie...all sides tell lies...but sometimes there is truth also...there seems to be this bizarre assertion that ONLY Western countries lie...I mean some idiot was saying Assad didnt attack his people...and when asked for an evidence he said because Assad denied doing it...the burden of proof people require from non westerners is ridiculous...

I dont make such a mistake, this is your opinion and you're wrong. I agree with the western officials Assad has been responsible for killing his own people but we have to accept the US has gone to wars based on lies many times. Any future accusations must not be accepted blindly but since you are on the side of the Israeli fence its no surprise you would want to ignore this.

The WMD thing has been disproven...as has the Gaddafi thing...the Assad thing has a lot of question marks...you would think at least that Assad would at least have the same story as the Russians...

I think he made a very strong point in his recent interview. Much of the information is coming from terrorists or rebels in your case.

Seems there are plenty of sources stating that IS are present in Afghanistan including themselves...aren't the Khorasan branch currently fighting both the Taliban and the Afghan security forces...if you're disbelieving their actual existence then you really are delving into conspiracy theory territory...

What is usually up for debate is the effectiveness of the attack and the proportionality of the attack...ie is the 38 number true for combatants...and the 0 true for civilians...these questions are up for debate...and always are...ie one side says combatants are civilians and the other might call civilians combatants...but the existence of IS in Afghanistan isn't some myth...

And as for the attack itself who needs to send men into a tunnel to fight when you can drop a bomb on the tunnel...thankfully you're not a general...

Any small group or individuals can claim to be IS in any country. They are not a credible force against the Taliban let alone a threat to the US from Afghanistan.

I suggested dropping a bomb will not put an end any group, try to understand a simple enough point.
 
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