[Video] Babar Azam "our spinners bowl 4 good balls and then 2 bad balls that go for four"

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Babar Azam's post-match conference following the unexpected loss to Afghanistan.



[Reporter:]

How will you summarize today's match and where do you see the campaign after today's defeat? Should we leave hope or is there still hope?

[Babar Azam:]

Yes, absolutely. This loss was very hard as a team. And the batting and our plan was to total 280-290. And when we achieved that, I think we were not up to the mark in bowling and fielding. You have to bowl well and field well. In the middle overs, the spinners didn't bowl as they should have. They didn't put pressure on them. When you bowl well, and you bowl for 3-4 overs, the pressure comes on the other team. I congratulate their team for the way they played. They played outstandingly.

[Reporter:]

Your emotions are telling us that you are sad just like the whole nation is sad. What message would you give to the crores [millions] of people in Pakistan who are following this team? The question from this team is incomplete, do they have any expectations? And the additional burden of the captaincy, is it affecting your individual performance? What do you think about the team's incomplete performance and the captain's extra weight?

[Babar Azam:]

You never know. It's cricket. Anything can happen. We will try to play our best cricket till the end. There are a lot of matches left, we will try to win all the matches. We will try to overcome our mistakes.

As far as captaincy is concerned, I don't have much pressure on me or on my batting. I try to give my best in batting. I am 100% and I have been doing that. During fielding, I think about captaincy and during batting I just think about the batting. How I should run and how I should run for the team.

[Reporter:]

Babar, we all have a great pride about our bowling line. This is the world's number one bowling line. But we conceded 300 plus in this World Cup twice. We couldn't defend in front of Afghanistan’s 282. So, what was the problem with this bowling line? Did the number one bowling line became less impactful because of Nasim's absence? And the fielding efforts were also looking very clueless. Was it taken for granted? Or was it a complicit effort? What exactly were you feeling?

[Babar Azam:]

We are missing Nasim a lot. But apart from that, our bowling lineup is one of the best. But I think we are not able to click. Sometimes we do well in bowling, we don't do well in batting. When we do well in batting, we don't do it in fielding.

In fielding, whenever you do fielding, it is only with attitude. And I don't see any attitude from the team. You need to put in extra effort and be fit. You should focus on the ball, not on other thoughts and when the ball comes, as a fielder you have to be proactive so I think we are lagging a little bit as a fielding unit.

[Reporter:]

You just talked about attitude and that you are not able to click. So, why are you not able to click? This is also a question that even in the Bengaluru match, the ball was being bowled in such spots where batsmen can cut or drive openly. Even today, the same thing was repeated and the bad fielding made it worse. So, what is the reason for not clicking? Why is there no attitude?

[Babar Azam:]

There is attitude in bowling, as I said, in fielding. You are not able to execute - because sometimes what you want to do is not happening. Sometimes what you want to hit the length is not happening. And when you get boundary in that, you try to wrap up as soon as possible, give as less runs as possible. In that you keep making mistakes back-to-back. So, there is pressure. I think because of that pressure we are not able to apply what we have learned.

And I think... Look, when we came here, I saw that the margin of error is very low for bowlers. If you bowl a little bit away from the wicket, you will get hit on that ball. So, we are lacking there a little bit. We are not able to bowl within the stumps.

And for the spinner, we bowl 4 good balls and then 2 balls that we get boundary or some runs. Because you get less margin.

If you bowl consistently at one place, then there will be pressure. So that thing is on one side, and on both sides that thing is missing.

[Reporter:]

The match against India is such that if you win, then you get a lot of confidence. Do you think that after India's defeat, Pakistan is still under pressure? Is it so?

[Babar Azam:]

No, I don't think so. It's not like that. We have seen Australia's match we had scored almost three hundred. In the bowling, we finished well. We started badly in bowling, but we finished up well. But I don't think we have anything to lose. Every team is a new match, and we try to give our best.

[Reporter:]

Do you think the target you put on board was sufficient enough to defend on this wicket?

[Babar Azam:]

I think yes, we 10-15 run short because against quality spinners, one of the best quality spinners they have and we just try to play normal cricket till 40 overs and then we have a charge in the last 10 overs. And then we will do that in the last 10 overs.

But yes, we had a target of 280 to 290.

[Reporter:]

We have seen that our bowlers are not able to take wickets and make impact in the last three matches. Are we over trying in nets or are we trying to do different variations due to which we are not able to control the flow of runs? Which means, whichever bowler you have, he is giving a score of 6 or 7 in every over. If we talk about spinners, Usama Mir is also off colour today. His fielding was also very loose and our other bowlers also didn't bowl on the line. So, what is the reason? What do you think? Are we over trying or not planning in that way? Are we not targeting batsmen? Are we not looking at their weakness?

[Babar Azam:]

I think we are over trying in the match. In practice we are up to the mark. But in the match when you have good runs on the ball, we move away from our target. And when you get hit there, you try to finish it in the minimum. But this is not an excuse. As a professional you have to do this that we execute the plan given to you so that is not being executed

[Reporter:]

Babar obviously team must be very disappointed at this point so as a captain what message will you give them in the dressing room so that they can bounce back and regain confidence

[Babar Azam:]

I hope we learn from this loss. It will hurt us a lot. We will try to talk about positive things. But we will also talk about the things we did not do well. How we will do it in the future. Because every match is with a different team. We will have to go with a different planning. We will have to go with a different plan and a different mindset so we will try to bring a positive vibe in the team

[Reporter:]

There is a campaign going on against you on social media are you taking any effect from that? Is there any pressure from that?

[Babar Azam:]

Sir, I don't even know what is going on, I don't even watch it.
 
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Good try Babar, basically he is saying Afghan batsmen outperformed Pak batsmen because our bowling was bad.
 
remind this guy, ball is reversing you decide to use spinner. When spinner qouta complete you still try to use usama mir in the 45th..

lunatic of a captain

Lol even Wasim Akram pinpointed that.

Babar is utterly clueless, lacks game sense and awareness. Such a person cannot be the captain of an international team. His Karachi Kings captaincy stint should have been enough for the decision makers to understand that he is not captaincy material but no one had the sense to make the courageous decision.
 
Also remind him when we had Afghanistan under semi pressure why did he bring in rauf when every team has been targeting rauf?

Why was chacha not given the ball 8th over instead?
 
Looked close to tears at the press conference didn't he.

Looks like a broken man, who has had enough of captaincy.
Crocodile tears from a player with weak mentality, he got all the power he wanted as captain and with selections. So he's gets zero sympathy, if he had any integrity he would have resigned from all formats after failing to win a single home test in 3 home series.
 
Decisions have consequences. This is the team Babar backed and groomed the last 4-years. He needs to really look himself in the mirror and own up his mistakes. You can’t build a national team based on personal relationships and expect to win at the world stage. I am sorry, but you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
 
Rightly or wrongly, Babar has forever tarnished his reputation with this WC. The horrific captaincy, player's workload mismanagement prior to WC, him being out of form, bowlers being worn down and completely out of form, the garbage tactics etc.

I had a lot of time and sympathy for him early on when he was still learning on the job because the PCB itself did such a horrible job of grooming him in the first place. He never captained domestically or in PSL and is forced to take on the incredible burden of being Pakistan's captain. A lot of his mistakes early on were understandable early but it's not mistakes anymore, this is just him being bad at the job. Time and time again, field placements are old fashioned, bowling changes are routine, there's no aggressiveness in the captaincy. The team's mentality is too old fashioned as a result and it shows in the way they bat and bowl.

If he was a captain in the 90's, maybe it would have been fine but its not acceptable any longer under the modern demands.

Pakistan also seriously need to invest in good spinners. You can't have WC match after match where its only fast bowlers picking up wickets and the spinners do absolutely nothing. There is no containment, and its not even some wickets are being picked up by them here and there, they are nearly wicketless match after match.

Surely, an end to Babar's captaincy is coming in whiteball at the very least.
 
Babar has an issue with Spinners bowling inconsistent lines?

Well guess who also had an issue…SARFARAZ AHMED!

He would scream at his spinners for pathetic lines and lengths to make sure they kept their concentration in check. But you ALL had an issue with Sarfaraz behind the stumps leading the side!

You deserve these jobber spinners!!
 
Batting is also block 4 balls and then hit one 4 to keep average high. He does it himself all the time. Needs to capitalize when openers provide a good foundation.
 
his time is up and its high time we break that babar rizwan partnership from t20s too they are useless and dont allow youngsters to grow
 
Babar has an issue with Spinners bowling inconsistent lines?

Well guess who also had an issue…SARFARAZ AHMED!

He would scream at his spinners for pathetic lines and lengths to make sure they kept their concentration in check. But you ALL had an issue with Sarfaraz behind the stumps leading the side!

You deserve these jobber spinners!!
Sarfraz was an embarrassment as a captain. Stop trying to big up that jobber to clown on Babar.
 
Pakistan as a team is badly out of form. It starts with the top order with Imam and in bowling, pretty much every bowler is out of form. It is like a perfect storm of bad form. Shaheen was out of form for a while now. Even in Asia cup he was poor. Spinners have been out of for a while now. Loss of Naseem who was only in form bowler did not help. Rauf lost his confidence and bowling short and wide most of the time.

These are the same bowlers that looked like world beaters a few months ago. Now they look worse than West Indies attack.
 
I just hate our captain's meek attitude, targeting 280 on a road vs a team with some destructive batsmen is inviting trouble as so proved. Come on Babar, be brave, go for 350 like everyone else is doing.
 
Not a captaincy/leader material. Too beta for that. A good leader doesn't go with yes men around him. A good leader is able to upset personal relationships and stay strong and do the right things.
 
Babar has an issue with Spinners bowling inconsistent lines?

Well guess who also had an issue…SARFARAZ AHMED!

He would scream at his spinners for pathetic lines and lengths to make sure they kept their concentration in check. But you ALL had an issue with Sarfaraz behind the stumps leading the side!

You deserve these jobber spinners!!
Sarfraz limited overs career is over. Move on from him
 
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I only saw Usama Mir bowling in the inaugaral PSL which was a few years ago, but even then he didn't live up to the hype. Yes he bowled the odd beauty, but he always bowled at least one loose delivery every over, and this is something which Shadab has done his whole career.

So why is Babar suddenly surprised when it happens in a world cup match on a consistent basis? I don't watch cricket much and I know it, so what the hell has Babar been watching for the last 4 years? Nawaz is even worse, and he's getting picked for years now as well.
 
Sarfraz limited overs career is over. Move on from him
But the people who destroyed him unjustly will never be forgotten

They will forever be shamed. How that shameless Misbah can sit on talk shows after yesterday’s defeat is beyond pathetic!
 
I only saw Usama Mir bowling in the inaugaral PSL which was a few years ago, but even then he didn't live up to the hype. Yes he bowled the odd beauty, but he always bowled at least one loose delivery every over, and this is something which Shadab has done his whole career.

So why is Babar suddenly surprised when it happens in a world cup match on a consistent basis? I don't watch cricket much and I know it, so what the hell has Babar been watching for the last 4 years? Nawaz is even worse, and he's getting picked for years now as well.

To be honest it's completely illogical.

Abrar has great control a proven first class and Test track record. To not select him is completely unacceptable.
 
remind this guy, ball is reversing you decide to use spinner. When spinner qouta complete you still try to use usama mir in the 45th..

lunatic of a captain
Poor captaincy has been a big factor in the losses here. By the 40th over Pakistan had started to pull back the RRR, eveyrthing was tense, even the idiotic comms were calling for the fast bowlers and yet the next 5 overs were bowled by spinners and the Afg bats achieved parity (I believe it was something like 30 from 30)...what was Babar expecting from the spinners??

Now for all that where is the think tank? Wheres the advice from players like Rizwan, Shaheen, Imam? What happened the management?

As I said months back, I think pre Asia Cup, Pakistan will suffer because they don't have a proper management staff. The medical staff is a joke but we all know that, but why is there a coach who doesnt coach and a team director that wasnt even in Pakistan for most of the year?
 
Babar is right spinners have totally gone offraod, literally this was completed out of the blue, what can he do there around 25 overs to bowl by spin and when your main department completely switches off then majority of captain will be handicapped.

Replace Wasim Aqib with Hassan and Rauf and Pakistan would be dead, take out Archer and Rashid from Eng 2019 squad and they would not have won
 
As some of you may know, I have always advocated spinners that spin the ball because against good batsman, you need to make them think about their wicket, and when you do that, the SR will drop. All 4 Afg spinners are better than our non spinners and what's worse is that even the Dutch guy( Dutta) looked better than our rubbish. So who do we have? Well Mehran bowls quicker than Hasan Ali, Mubashir isn't developing and would get marmalised by international players, gimmicks like Sufyan and others offer nothing. In the QA trophy, I havent seen a single spinner that is ready. Mohammed Rameez needs time and investment but has something. I guarantee that Inzi doesn't even know who he is.
 
As some of you may know, I have always advocated spinners that spin the ball because against good batsman, you need to make them think about their wicket, and when you do that, the SR will drop. All 4 Afg spinners are better than our non spinners and what's worse is that even the Dutch guy( Dutta) looked better than our rubbish. So who do we have? Well Mehran bowls quicker than Hasan Ali, Mubashir isn't developing and would get marmalised by international players, gimmicks like Sufyan and others offer nothing. In the QA trophy, I havent seen a single spinner that is ready. Mohammed Rameez needs time and investment but has something. I guarantee that Inzi doesn't even know who he is.
mubasir is rated highly by indian posters here, so i wonder if he is good. Plus, mubasir is an offie.

Sufiyan Muqeem i heard is a mystery spinner
 
mubasir is rated highly by indian posters here, so i wonder if he is good. Plus, mubasir is an offie.

Sufiyan Muqeem i heard is a mystery spinner
Mubashir has a nice action but I don't think he thinks like a spinners because he has grown up as batsman. A sort of Moeen Ali but without the 200 test wickets. Sufyan is a Chinaman and nothing bad, but with his high arm action, he will only be able to bowl googlies unless the wicket is turning loads.
 
Mubashir has a nice action but I don't think he thinks like a spinners because he has grown up as batsman. A sort of Moeen Ali but without the 200 test wickets. Sufyan is a Chinaman and nothing bad, but with his high arm action, he will only be able to bowl googlies unless the wicket is turning loads.
i dont rate mubasir, but some indian poster said that he is quality and i have had changed of mind about him after that.

Shadab doesnt play him or abrar though.

Abrar is slow in the air.
 
i dont rate mubasir, but some indian poster said that he is quality and i have had changed of mind about him after that.

Shadab doesnt play him or abrar though.

Abrar is slow in the air.
Abrar would at least offer some threat. Shadab needs to get back to basics and play FC and work hard on spinning the ball. So concerned was I about his action and lack of spin, that I sent images of his bowling, to him and explained why he can't spin the ball. Mubasir bowls like he is surprised to be bowling. He has nice action but pace is too one dimensional and he isn't thinking about how to get people out. Qadir has lots of spin, but zero control. In an age where none of spinners, spin the ball, he should be bowling 30 overs per FC game( PCB should dictate this to his captain) but he hardly plays.
 
Abrar would at least offer some threat. Shadab needs to get back to basics and play FC and work hard on spinning the ball. So concerned was I about his action and lack of spin, that I sent images of his bowling, to him and explained why he can't spin the ball. Mubasir bowls like he is surprised to be bowling. He has nice action but pace is too one dimensional and he isn't thinking about how to get people out. Qadir has lots of spin, but zero control. In an age where none of spinners, spin the ball, he should be bowling 30 overs per FC game( PCB should dictate this to his captain) but he hardly plays.
Qadir has Ajmal like spin, but his line and length is more bad than Shadabs
 
Waqar at the end of the 2003 ODI WC in press conferences and various interviews refused to accept any responsibility and instead was like i did nothing wrong with selecting the players i did, its not my fault that they lost form during the WC, blame the players, not me, i am not resigning, this debacle is not my fault, however if the PCB wants to replace me that is their pre-regative.

I have a feeling that Babar is going to use the same tactics as well, i picked the players i have been backing for the last 3-4 years, its not my fault that they did not perform.
 
Its hard for me to find those 4 good balls. They all are just part time spinners playing for a single team.
 
Only on this forum and by ex cricketers is Babar getting thrashed , I can see a lot of positive support for him from social media, that can be good or bad time well tell.
 
Waqar at the end of the 2003 ODI WC in press conferences and various interviews refused to accept any responsibility and instead was like i did nothing wrong with selecting the players i did, its not my fault that they lost form during the WC, blame the players, not me, i am not resigning, this debacle is not my fault, however if the PCB wants to replace me that is their pre-regative.

I have a feeling that Babar is going to use the same tactics as well, i picked the players i have been backing for the last 3-4 years, its not my fault that they did not perform.
elaborate on this. So was waqar dropped for ever after that?
 
Only on this forum and by ex cricketers is Babar getting thrashed , I can see a lot of positive support for him from social media, that can be good or bad time well tell.

Players who have played with him and worked with him are now turning against him i.e. Mohammad Hafeez, Shoaib Malik, Azhar Ali.

Umar Gul mentioned on tv that in his brief stint as the team's bowling coach, he observed Babar was a dictator who did not like other senior players like Rizwan, Shadab, Shaheen to talk to the bowlers during the game.
 
Players who have played with him and worked with him are now turning against him i.e. Mohammad Hafeez, Shoaib Malik, Azhar Ali.

Umar Gul mentioned on tv that in his brief stint as the team's bowling coach, he observed Babar was a dictator who did not like other senior players like Rizwan, Shadab, Shaheen to talk to the bowlers during the game.
damnn, so babar was worried that the cameras might focus on others and the captaincy could be taken away from him
 
Qadir has Ajmal like spin, but his line and length is more bad than Shadabs
Totally agree with Qadir being awful but he spins the ball which none of the others can. He may never improve and that is the likeliest outcome but what is to be lost with Qadir actually bowling 500 overs in a season. What I would give to work with a guy like Qadir, either we would be at each others throats after a week, or we may get a real bowler.
 
Totally agree with Qadir being awful but he spins the ball which none of the others can. He may never improve and that is the likeliest outcome but what is to be lost with Qadir actually bowling 500 overs in a season. What I would give to work with a guy like Qadir, either we would be at each others throats after a week, or we may get a real bowler.
i think the issue with qadir is his bowling action. Trying to be his dad too muchh
 
i think the issue with qadir is his bowling action. Trying to be his dad too muchh
It's part of it, but it's also trying too much. Get him to lay down a marker on the pitch and tell him to hit the marker with a bit of leg spin. It's incredibly difficult to do, but it can be done with months and months of hard work.
 
Players who have played with him and worked with him are now turning against him i.e. Mohammad Hafeez, Shoaib Malik, Azhar Ali.

Umar Gul mentioned on tv that in his brief stint as the team's bowling coach, he observed Babar was a dictator who did not like other senior players like Rizwan, Shadab, Shaheen to talk to the bowlers during the game.
That it self says something
 
Totally agree with Qadir being awful but he spins the ball which none of the others can. He may never improve and that is the likeliest outcome but what is to be lost with Qadir actually bowling 500 overs in a season. What I would give to work with a guy like Qadir, either we would be at each others throats after a week, or we may get a real bowler.

Mushtaq Ahmed mentioned that Qadir has started playing first class cricket this season on his advice. Qadir picked up 8 wickets in his first game. All our players need to follow the same principle i.e. no compromise on first class cricket.
 
Mushtaq Ahmed mentioned that Qadir has started playing first class cricket this season on his advice. Qadir picked up 8 wickets in his first game. All our players need to follow the same principle i.e. no compromise on first class cricket.
But he needs 100s of overs, not 15 or 20 in a season in FC. Major was right that his action maybe the biggest barrier but I also think lack of bowling in the middle and a mindset that is confused maybe also be huge issue. He is worth investing in because the alternatives are awful.
 
Only on this forum and by ex cricketers is Babar getting thrashed , I can see a lot of positive support for him from social media, that can be good or bad time well tell.
There will always be blind followers.

We have just lost to Afghanistan in an ODI for the first time in our history!
 
There will always be blind followers.

We have just lost to Afghanistan in an ODI for the first time in our history!
I think most of the social media posters are younger and started seeing cricket after 2004/06.. (few on this forum as well), so they don’t have any notion of Pakistani cricket in 80s and 90s, kind like Indian hockey for me where everything right now seems like a plus and no idea that Afghanistan only has played 3 WCs including this one.

Maybe Babar and Shaheen are the only world class players this generation has seen and are rightly defending their heroes.
 
How did we go from the Abdul Qadirs, Mushys, Saqlain Mushtaqs, Saeed Ajmals , Afridi (one of the leading wicket taker in 2011 wc) to these joke of a spinners who can’t land the ball correctly , spin bowlers are the ones who are meant to offer control on line and length not give out freebies.

Look at each team and they all have a decent to world class spinner, they have spinners who can either turn the ball or offer control with line and length :

Rashid ENG
Zampa, Maxwell Aus
Jadeja , Yadav, Ashwin IND
Rashid, Nabi, Mujeeb, Noor AFG
Wellalede Lanka
Maharaj, Shamsi S Africa
DUTT NED
Shakib Bangla

All of these players I’ve mentioned are miles better than Shadab and Mir.

Please read what I’m saying and it will hit you how bad our spin bowlers
 
But he needs 100s of overs, not 15 or 20 in a season in FC. Major was right that his action maybe the biggest barrier but I also think lack of bowling in the middle and a mindset that is confused maybe also be huge issue. He is worth investing in because the alternatives are awful.
Qadir was the only one in last 3-4 years who was actually spinning the ball and have googly. Pakistan should have invested in him and groomed him for test and ODIs rather than playing him some t20 games.
 
Who is bowlers union chair man? He should issue a statement .. "Our batsmen score one four and play 20 dot balls"
 
But he needs 100s of overs, not 15 or 20 in a season in FC. Major was right that his action maybe the biggest barrier but I also think lack of bowling in the middle and a mindset that is confused maybe also be huge issue. He is worth investing in because the alternatives are awful.
Also its surprising to hear that he was asked to play first class season. Aren't pakistan youngsters playing first class cricket before being selected in national team?
 
As much as I feel like saying “I told you so”, I felt for Babar watching this. He looks broken and defeated.

Self inflicted yes, and some of his comments are whacky, but I don’t want to kick a man when he’s down.

I just want him to realise that he’s a special talent with the bat, there’s no shame in admitting you’re just not cut out for captaincy. Do the sensible thing and resign. Concentrate on your batting because if you don’t address that, it’s already on a slippery slope.
 
Cricketers need to realise and appreciate the difference between 20 over and 50 over cricket.

Too many of our spinners claim to be 20 over specialists!
 
Normally the Cricket Boards should support their captains but this is the one time the PCB should have backed the Cricket Technical Committee
 
Cricketers need to realise and appreciate the difference between 20 over and 50 over cricket.

Too many of our spinners claim to be 20 over specialists!

Our whole team is a T20 team. It's a complete mess.
 
Pakistan is lacking spin bowling talent. It has become very serious because I can't even see a world class spinner in our domestic cricket.
 
They need to develop spinners for all formats. You cant win anything significant without a good quality spin attack.
 
They need to develop spinners for all formats. You cant win anything significant without a good quality spin attack.

Well said, bro. But it will take some time because now Ajmal is in charge of the spin department. I am optimistic that he will find us some talented spinners.
 
Well said, bro. But it will take some time because now Ajmal is in charge of the spin department. I am optimistic that he will find us some talented spinners.
He is only in charged for the main team not to develop spinners from domestic / grass root. You not going to make nawaz into jadeja that's not happening.
 
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