[VIDEO] Boxing Day : Mohammad Yousuf and Rameez Raja in a heated argument

[greenfan]

i am with mohammad yousuf. He is a sacha and khara person. show true face of rameez who has done nothing substantial for pakistan cricket and commentates like he owns everybody.

 

[Madplayer]

People like ramiz can't swallow the bitter truth and reality which is why they resort to unwarranted personal attacks.

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What reality? Is it right to insult someone based on his limited achievements or shortcomings?

I know but you cannot stop Yousuf questioning the credibility of Ramiz Raja as commentator knowing his limited stature as batsman in Test format in the past. As i said, Ramiz Raja just had odd day where he lost the temper after his past came into the question.

Pakistan is a nation where most people spot beard. Ramiz Raja needs to go easy on beard knowing the angry beard crowd.

Why cant we stop yousuf from doing so? Such behaviour is unacceptable in any part of the world! Why dont we see cricketers from other countries questioning their less successful counterparts on national television? I cant believe that somebody thinks Yousuf is entitled to say such things on tv.

There are lots of cricket commentators and analysts who have never played at the international level but their views are respected by all cricketers. And Rameez is a world cup winning player.

Having said all this, i agree with the part that the beard comment shouldn't have been made. that was completely out of an emotional outburst and is understandable but still should have been avoided.

 

[Fallen King]

What reality? Is it right to insult someone based on his limited achievements or shortcomings?



Why cant we stop yousuf from doing so? Such behaviour is unacceptable in any part of the world! Why dont we see cricketers from other countries questioning their less successful counterparts on national television? I cant believe that somebody thinks Yousuf is entitled to say such things on tv.

There are lots of cricket commentators and analysts who have never played at the international level but their views are respected by all cricketers. And Rameez is a world cup winning player.

Having said all this, i agree with the part that the beard comment shouldn't have been made. that was completely out of an emotional outburst and is understandable but still should have been avoided.

Because it is democracy? Everyone have entitled to the practice of Freedom of Speech and Expression?

 

[osee_bhai]

This occurred after the attack on Yousuf's beard. By attacking the beard, Rameez lost the argument there and then. The rest of the trading insults shouting match becomes irrelevant from that moment onwards.

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

No, that was before. Everyone and their mother knows who Moyo was referring to as the "3rd person".

 

[Fallen King]

No, that was before. Everyone and their mother knows who Moyo was referring to as the "3rd person".

Check out 4 minutes of heated debate again. Personal attack on "beard" came after the point was brought on reference to "3rd person" with made connection to personal agenda against Amir.

Check out fine quality of the heated debate just got uploaded.

 

[Zaz]

Whoever started it its quite disgraceful that it got to the stage where both were disrespecting each other on national tv

Ramiz as a seasoned pro commie and analyst shouldve known better than to stoop to yousufs level Even though yousufs behaviour has been ghatia he shouldve been the better man

You can only ruin your own credibility arguing with someone whos got no class or credibilitt

 

[The_KING]

It's quite embarrassing to see two of our ex players fighting and calling each other names on TV like little kids. Very embarrassing.

 

[Yossarian]

No, that was before. Everyone and their mother knows who Moyo was referring to as the "3rd person".

Irrelevant. Rameez's name wasn't mentioned at that stage. Along with the fact that, in theory, the "3rd person" could have been anyone amongst those objecting to Amir's inclusion considering there are many others who hold the same view.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Yousaf only highlighted a fact about ramiz cricketing quality and achievements. It's funny when Yousaf highlights Afridis crap career everyone supports but when he does the same to ramiz it is called badtameezi and disrespectful.

Different rules for different players.

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[Pete Rose]

Rameez came out poor in this exchange simply because he sunk to the cespool that Yusuf operates in.

 

[Majid Khan]

Not sure how Yousuf is getting all the stick, as the most insulting comments came from Rameez Raja , ridiculing his beard and calling him ghatiya etc, and Yousuf's response was to question Rameez's achievements as a cricketer - with just 2 test centuries - and asking if he was even qualified to talk about cricket ??!

Either way its a shame to see this kind of thing, thinking back at how much praise Rameez the commentator used to give when Yousaf was batting calling him graceful, and the 'regal touch' when Yousuf used to play his cover drives.. anyone remember ?? Rameez came across as someone who truly admired Yousaf's stylish batting.

 

[Zaz]

Yousaf only highlighted a fact about ramiz cricketing quality and achievements. It's funny when Yousaf highlights Afridis crap career everyone supports but when he does the same to ramiz it is called badtameezi and disrespectful.

Different rules for different players.

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Thats because afridi is an active player and still wants to be picked U can question someones place in the team based on his stats n achievements

Ramiz retired 20 years back And his career has no relevanve to his opinion or a career as a analyst and broadcaster

They are 2 seperate things Anyone will slight intelligence would know that

 

[osee_bhai]

Irrelevant. Rameez's name wasn't mentioned at that stage. Along with the fact that, in theory, the "3rd person" could have been anyone amongst those objecting to Amir's inclusion considering there are many others who hold the same view.

That's not irrelevant at all. Yousuf has previously had a go at Rameez about this issue, it was obviously Rameez he was referring to. Please, take those blinders off, your bias is showing.

 

[Monsee]

Check out 4 minutes of heated debate again. Personal attack on "beard" came after the point was brought on reference to "3rd person" with made connection to personal agenda against Amir.

Check out fine quality of the heated debate just got uploaded.

While watching the hillarious video where Rameez's astonishingly cringe worthy test record was exposed for all to see (by MoYo)...he also said 'You are so low, you even sued your own family member' (something to that effect). I was cirious and searched the web till I found link to this jaffa:

http://www.theunrealtimes.com/2012/...ommentary-during-high-voltage-indo-pak-clash/

 

[Varun]

While watching the hillarious video where Rameez's astonishingly cringe worthy test record was exposed for all to see (by MoYo)...he also said 'You are so low, you even sued your own family member' (something to that effect). I was cirious and searched the web till I found link to this jaffa:

http://www.theunrealtimes.com/2012/...ommentary-during-high-voltage-indo-pak-clash/

A fake newspaper article is all you found? Ramiz Raja can't be that bad after all.

 

[jusarrived]

why was this even aired ? am sure much worse had been said before between cricketers , but on TV , plain stupid .

 

[Pete Rose]

Seems like beard and the word 'molvi' are quite referred in Pakistan. Defending both is a reflex action that doesn't match up with the political realities of the country.

 

[tigerkhan]

The hypocrite Rameez Raja. In the following video, he supports the Big 3 structure and tells Pakistanis to forget the national pride and honor - "become shameless". He also tows Sethi's line that if we support the Big 3, we will get millions of dollars via Indo_Pak series. In my opinion, this support to sehi - for the big 3, is the main reason he was given the PSL ambassador job.

How come honor, national pride and shame becomes an issue with Amir but not the Big 3? The Big 3 is spearheaded by the most corrupt board of them all. Also, the IPL is so corrupt that the BCCI had to throw out teams from the league and their associates. But don't worry, Rameez is ok commentating for that corrupt league.

Here is the video:-

 

[observer1]

Im actually ashamed by these comments.

It's bad enough the PCB are incompetent, but the Pakistanis (in Pakistan) seem to have a very negative stereotype of anyone with a beard. i.e. "Mullah/Molvi".

Whilst Yousuf is outspoken, his punditry is usually spot on and observations are on the mark.
He was 100% right about defending Amir and welcoming back Azhar and Hafeez to the team.

Ramiz made a personal attack on Yusuf about his beard because he got flustered and called Yusuf a liar.
Well here is the proof that Rami said Amir should not return. So i let you judge who the "liar" is
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/800583.html

He is entitled to his opinion - but making personal attacks when put on the spot in childish.

However it seems our Pakistani Fans here are as fickle as anybody and seem to back Ramiz for making a mockery of himself and another cricketer on live TV.

 

[observer1]

People like ramiz can't swallow the bitter truth and reality which is why they resort to unwarranted personal attacks.

They'll get away it it because our Fellow Pakistanis back home cant shake of the ugly stereotype and prejudice of anyone with a Beard or Mosque Hat.

 

[farazaidi]

Here is another video of the saint, well educated, sophisticated ambassador of Pakistan !

Rameez is a classic example of how you can do wonders when you have friends with benefits, beneficiary of status quo.

 

[Yossarian]

That's not irrelevant at all. Yousuf has previously had a go at Rameez about this issue, it was obviously Rameez he was referring to. Please, take those blinders off, your bias is showing.

He said this, she said that, ... blah, blah, blah.. Until and unless someone is directly mentioned by name as opposed to simply a comment about a "3rd person" then it doesn't matter how 'obvious' it is. It still doesn't count as a direct attack on a particular individual. Abusing another on the basis of a "3rd person" being mentioned is pure gutter mentality.

 

[Yossarian]

Here is another video of the saint, well educated, sophisticated ambassador of Pakistan !

Rameez is a classic example of how you can do wonders when you have friends with benefits, beneficiary of status quo.

Wow. Rameez really belongs in the gutter. What a pathetic individual. You don't attack a persons religious beliefs when you are meant to be discussing cricket.

 

[tigerkhan]

Had all these beard related comments been made by dean jones or some other non-muslim expert, the people who are supporting rameez right now would flayed the expert. hypocrisy! if we bring in religion, it's ok. if others do it, it's a problem.

 

[Pete Rose]

Had all these beard related comments been made by dean jones or some other non-muslim expert, the people who are supporting rameez right now would flayed the expert. hypocrisy! if we bring in religion, it's ok. if others do it, it's a problem.

Are all bearded ppl saints?

 

[Yossarian]

Are all bearded ppl saints?

No more, or no less, than the non-bearded ones. I am currently beardless, although over the years I've kept beards of every conceivable shape and design that I could grow and trim, and kept the beards for periods ranging from just a couple of months to a couple of years each.

 

[tigerkhan]

Are all bearded ppl saints?

no they are not. but religion has no place in a cricket discussion.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Had all these beard related comments been made by dean jones or some other non-muslim expert, the people who are supporting rameez right now would flayed the expert. hypocrisy! if we bring in religion, it's ok. if others do it, it's a problem.

Everything is just principally based on one person MUQ, can't wait for him to retire. Will stop all the undeserved mud slinging on our past legends

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[Pete Rose]

no they are not. but religion has no place in a cricket discussion.

What to say about folks who profess overt relgiousity yet lack some of the more basic tennets of their faith which requires them to show restraint and respect.

 

[AlphaFighter]

What to say about folks who profess overt relgiousity yet lack some of the more basic tennets of their faith which requires them to show restraint and respect.

Did Yousaf preach to someone on Air?

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[Pete Rose]

No more, or no less, than the non-bearded ones. I am currently beardless, although over the years I've kept beards of every conceivable shape and design that I could grow and trim, and kept the beards for periods ranging from just a couple of months to a couple of years each.

Then who cares whether someone calls calls moyo a bearded choker or dishonest for his Icl days. Unless one should not hold moyo to a highe standard because of his beard.

 

[Pete Rose]

Did Yousaf preach to someone on Air?

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You mean in this clip or in general

 

[AlphaFighter]

You mean in this clip or in general

Generally speaking. In all goes comments and interviews he always sticks to cricket

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[farazaidi]

Wow. Rameez really belongs in the gutter. What a pathetic individual. You don't attack a persons religious beliefs when you are meant to be discussing cricket.

Notice Yousuf isnt there on the show and Rameez is blabbering personal stuff and challenging him to face off on live show. And what happened when he did? smackdown

The hypocrisy is strong here but as expected, pseudo liberals in this thread have lambasted Yousuf and sympathized with this saint.

 

[Pete Rose]

Generally speaking. In all goes comments and interviews he always sticks to cricket

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I can't speak for percentages of what he does or doesn't do, how is that relevant. Yousuf started with some factually incorrect statement about Rameez being a nothing cricketer which is basically not true because Rameez was the 4th or 5 highest run scorer and Pakistan's second best scorer in the only odi World Cup we have won. Moyo of course is a softy with great numbers but a dismal record in tournaments or vs the big boys.

 

[AlphaFighter]

I can't speak for percentages of what he does or doesn't do, how is that relevant. Yousuf started with some factually incorrect statement about Rameez being a nothing cricketer which is basically not true because Rameez was the 4th or 5 highest run scorer and Pakistan's second best scorer in the only odi World Cup we have won. Moyo of course is a softy with great numbers but a dismal record in tournaments or vs the big boys.

In the overall scheme of things Yousaf floors ramiz record and statistics. Ramiz averages even less than Afridi in test cricket.

Nothing factually off the mark by ramiz who everyone knows was a sifarishi unlike a rags to riches story like Yousaf.

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[Pete Rose]

In the overall scheme of things Yousaf floors ramiz record and statistics. Ramiz averages even less than Afridi in test cricket.

Nothing factually off the mark by ramiz who everyone knows was a sifarishi unlike a rags to riches story like Yousaf.

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Ones a World Cup winner and lead contributor the other guy is a mediocre talent under pressure with soft runs. You may chose mediocrity. That is not surprising.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Ones a World Cup winner and lead contributor the other guy is a mediocre talent under pressure with soft runs. You may chose mediocrity. That is not surprising.

Wasim Haider, Zahid Fazal are also world cup winners. Doesn't change the fact that they were mediocre unknown cricketers so your point is mute.

Yousaf has won Pakistan more pressure matches compared to ramiz in his whole career.

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[Pete Rose]

Wasim Haider, Zahid Fazal are also world cup winners. Doesn't change the fact that they were mediocre unknown cricketers so your point is mute.

Yousaf has won Pakistan more pressure matches compared to ramiz in his whole career.

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A post riddled with inaccuracies and characteristic dishonesty : the other players you mentioned were not lead contributors.

 

[Yossarian]

Then who cares whether someone calls calls moyo a bearded choker or dishonest for his Icl days. Unless one should not hold moyo to a highe standard because of his beard.

What a facetious remark. Insulting one's religious beliefs (which Rameez did by specifically targeting Yousuf's beard, and knowing that Yousuf keeps a beard due to his religious convictions, as opposed to a fashion accessory) is really stooping into the gutter. You may not agree with the religious beliefs of Yousuf, but it doesn't give anyone the right to insult those beliefs when the topic being discussed is cricket.

 

[AlphaFighter]

A post riddled with inaccuracies and characteristic dishonesty : the other players you mentioned were not lead contributors.

What was ramiz lead contribution apart from that NZ knock?

Yousaf has played many crucial innings as well for Pakistan under pressure.

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[bones]

Here is another video of the saint, well educated, sophisticated ambassador of Pakistan !

Rameez is a classic example of how you can do wonders when you have friends with benefits, beneficiary of status quo.

Rameez said Yousuf scored useless runs to accumulate personal records.

Someone should say to Rameez, at least Yousuf scored some runs, what did you ever do for Pakistani cricket?

Rameez was so rubbish to call him a cricket player is like saying Phil Taylor is a fit man.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Ones a World Cup winner and lead contributor the other guy is a mediocre talent under pressure with soft runs. You may chose mediocrity. That is not surprising.

It's not really relevant but there's no question of Moyo being a far superior player in both forms of the game.

It was pretty pathetic of Rameez to go after Moyo by calling him a hypocrite because of the beard. His beard should be irrelevant as well - and clearly this isn't the first time that Rameez has gone after Moyo for having a beard. That video several posts up shows how pathetic Rameez is calling moyo a selfish player and then going after his beard on a different show.

You ask if people with beards are saints in another post. The answer is no of course not. But if someone chooses to have a beard, it doesn't mean that they are in any way pretending to be a saint. They may just have the beard for personal religious beliefs, which really have no place in a discussion of cricket. It's like Moyo going after Rameez for not having a beard and trying to call him out for being irreligious or lacking in morals or whatever because he doesn't have a beard.

I always knew Rameez was an idiot with some of his remarks (not his usual boring and predictable commentary but other remarks). This just reinforces it.

 

[Pete Rose]

What a facetious remark. Insulting one's religious beliefs (which Rameez did by specifically targeting Yousuf's beard, and knowing that Yousuf keeps a beard due to his religious convictions, as opreposed to a fashion accessory) is really stooping into the gutter. You may not agree with the religious beliefs of Yousuf, but it doesn't give anyone the right to insult those beliefs when the topic being discussed is cricket.

Relegion is not practiced in a vacuum. If you blv in it, yo show it consiste hrough your behavior. The standard is lower for someone who does not profess deep faith.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

What was ramiz lead contribution apart from that NZ knock?

Yousaf has played many crucial innings as well for Pakistan under pressure.

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You're arguing with a guy who wants Asad Shafiq in the starting 11 for ODIs. what do you expect.

 

[Pete Rose]

What was ramiz lead contribution apart from that NZ knock?

Yousaf has played many crucial innings as well for Pakistan under pressure.

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You mean the one that got us to the next stage of the world cup? Not to mention his time as chief executive which involved hiring woolmer

 

[Pete Rose]

It's not really relevant but there's no question of Moyo being a far superior player in both forms of the game.

It was pretty pathetic of Rameez to go after Moyo by calling him a hypocrite because of the beard. His beard should be irrelevant as well - and clearly this isn't the first time that Rameez has gone after Moyo for having a beard. That video several posts up shows how pathetic Rameez is calling moyo a selfish player and then going after his beard on a different show.

You ask if people with beards are saints in another post. The answer is no of course not. But if someone chooses to have a beard, it doesn't mean that they are in any way pretending to be a saint. They may just have the beard for personal religious beliefs, which really have no place in a discussion of cricket. It's like Moyo going after Rameez for not having a beard and trying to call him out for being irreligious or lacking in morals or whatever because he doesn't have a beard.

I always knew Rameez was an idiot with some of his remarks (not his usual boring and predictable commentary but other remarks). This just reinforces it.

You don't get to decide the context of the comment. And nobody gets to be a douche on TV by belittling someone right off the bat. In this exchange moyo started it and he did in the other incident you refer to.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

You don't get to decide the context of the comment. And nobody gets to be a douche on TV by belittling someone right off the bat. In this exchange moyo started it and he did in the other incident you refer to.

What exactly did he say to merit that response? Neither video shows.

 

[Yossarian]

It's not really relevant but there's no question of Moyo being a far superior player in both forms of the game.

It was pretty pathetic of Rameez to go after Moyo by calling him a hypocrite because of the beard. His beard should be irrelevant as well - and clearly this isn't the first time that Rameez has gone after Moyo for having a beard. That video several posts up shows how pathetic Rameez is calling moyo a selfish player and then going after his beard on a different show.

You ask if people with beards are saints in another post. The answer is no of course not. But if someone chooses to have a beard, it doesn't mean that they are in any way pretending to be a saint. They may just have the beard for personal religious beliefs, which really have no place in a discussion of cricket. It's like Moyo going after Rameez for not having a beard and trying to call him out for being irreligious or lacking in morals or whatever because he doesn't have a beard.

I always knew Rameez was an idiot with some of his remarks (not his usual boring and predictable commentary but other remarks). This just reinforces it.

Exactly.

It's noticeable that the Rameez defenders are ignoring the fact that Rameez didn't make a single attempt to produce a counter argument to Yousuf's defence of Amir's inclusion in the training camp.

 

[bones]

A post riddled with inaccuracies and characteristic dishonesty : the other players you mentioned were not lead contributors.

So based on the way you have worded your posts, Rameez Raja is better than Yousuf because he was a lead contributor in a world cup winning side.

Rameez Raja is not fit to lick the boots of Wajahtullah Wasti, let alone be compared to Yousuf.

Yousuf was a flat track and minnow bully. But even putting aside that fact, he towers over Ramiz.

Ramiz was garbage as a player, total and utter mediocrity and he's just as bad in the comms box.

This is why I have moved away from team sports, you can have absolutely shyte players winning things because of those around them and you can have great players win nothing because of those around them. Messi, Ronaldo, George Best etc are just some examples of great players never winning a World Cup and even with time on their side Messi and Ronaldo still won't.

 

[Pete Rose]

What exactly did he say to merit that response? Neither video shows.

Well the video in this thread starts with moyo going on and on about ppl who are talkers and no nothing about cricket. Rameez brought up t bearded bit and moyo repeated the same comments to rameez directly.

 

[farazaidi]

Exactly.

It's noticeable that the Rameez defenders are ignoring the fact that Rameez didn't make a single attempt to produce a counter argument to Yousuf's defence of Amir's inclusion in the training camp.

Ditto. Instead he went like "ok decision has been taken, save your career and join the team but their stance is still right". That last bit really irks me, still assuming some moral high ground which doesnt exist. He'll be lambasted in the general public and will then moan about it on TV as an honest victim.

 

[Monsee]

A fake newspaper article is all you found? Ramiz Raja can't be that bad after all.

I guess someone needs to sign up for HaHaFunnies101 class soon...where in my whole post I suggested the link I provided was real news?

 

[AlphaFighter]

You mean the one that got us to the next stage of the world cup? Not to mention his time as chief executive which involved hiring woolmer

What was his contribution as chief executive? Was he not accessed of conflict of interest, irregularities due to which he was forced to resign and where national assembly members demanded his name be placed on the ECL?

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[Pete Rose]

So based on the way you have worded your posts, Rameez Raja is better than Yousuf because he was a lead contributor in a world cup winning side.

Rameez Raja is not fit to lick the boots of Wajahtullah Wasti, let alone be compared to Yousuf.

Yousuf was a flat track and minnow bully. But even putting aside that fact, he towers over Ramiz.

Ramiz was garbage as a player, total and utter mediocrity and he's just as bad in the comms box.

This is why I have moved away from team sports, you can have absolutely shyte players winning things because of those around them and you can have great players win nothing because of those around them. Messi, Ronaldo, George Best etc are just some examples of great players never winning a World Cup and even with time on their side Messi and Ronaldo still won't.

What is this babble? Rameez has been a key contributor before and after retirement serving as CEO of Pcb which also led woolmer coming on board. But none of this should matter: moyo spoke first and was out of line and disrespectful

 

[farazaidi]

It's not really relevant but there's no question of Moyo being a far superior player in both forms of the game.

It was pretty pathetic of Rameez to go after Moyo by calling him a hypocrite because of the beard. His beard should be irrelevant as well - and clearly this isn't the first time that Rameez has gone after Moyo for having a beard. That video several posts up shows how pathetic Rameez is calling moyo a selfish player and then going after his beard on a different show.

You ask if people with beards are saints in another post. The answer is no of course not. But if someone chooses to have a beard, it doesn't mean that they are in any way pretending to be a saint. They may just have the beard for personal religious beliefs, which really have no place in a discussion of cricket. It's like Moyo going after Rameez for not having a beard and trying to call him out for being irreligious or lacking in morals or whatever because he doesn't have a beard.

I always knew Rameez was an idiot with some of his remarks (not his usual boring and predictable commentary but other remarks). This just reinforces it.

top post !

 

[Pete Rose]

What was his contribution as chief executive? Was he not accessed of conflict of interest, irregularities due to which he was forced to resign and where national assembly members demanded his name be placed on the ECL?

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No. That's you making up stuff as you usually do.

 

[AlphaFighter]

No. That's you making up stuff as you usually do.

Look it up. Google does not have the time to make stuff up for non entities like ramiz.

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[Blistering Barnacle]

Well the video in this thread starts with moyo going on and on about ppl who are talkers and no nothing about cricket. Rameez brought up t bearded bit and moyo repeated the same comments to rameez directly.

both videos start with rameez cutting loose on moyo. the one several posts up doesnt feature moyo in the clip. maybe youve seen another one.

 

[Pete Rose]

both videos start with rameez cutting loose on moyo. the one several posts up doesnt feature moyo in the clip. maybe youve seen another one.

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[bones]

What is this babble? Rameez has been a key contributor before and after retirement serving as CEO of Pcb which also led woolmer coming on board. But none of this should matter: moyo spoke first and was out of line and disrespectful

Before retirement he averaged 31 in tests, not sure you can call that contributing. If that is contributing then you have **** poor standards.

 

[Sherlock]

Ramis was saying just that

Weird that considering he's the one who caused the storm at the PSL.

 

[Yossarian]

Relegion is not practiced in a vacuum. If you blv in it, yo show it consiste hrough your behavior. The standard is lower for someone who does not profess deep faith.

Who gives you the right to judge others religious beliefs as long as they don't cause you, or anyone else, any harm? It's pathetic to counter cricketing arguments by insulting the religious beliefs of the one making the cricket related points, especially when those cricketing points don't mention or bring religion into the discussion, one way or the other.

I used to criticise the likes of Inzi for being overtly religious on the cricket field by holding a Salat al-Jamaat on the cricket field during lunch, tea or innings breaks in matches. I even criticise the players when, during post match presentation ceremonies, they start off by invoking God (or Allah), or doing sajdah after scoring a 50 or a 100.

But, by the same token, cricketers should not be judged on their cricketing knowledge and ability by insulting their religious beliefs.

 

[Pete Rose]

Before retirement he averaged 31 in tests, not sure you can call that contributing. If that is contributing then you have **** poor standards.

More bable. Read the posts above. You are at the moment a poor echo.

 

[Pete Rose]

Who gives you the right to judge others religious beliefs as long as they don't cause you, or anyone else, any harm? It's pathetic to counter cricketing arguments by insulting the religious beliefs of the one making the cricket related points, especially when those cricketing points don't mention or bring religion into the discussion, one way or the other.

I used to criticise the likes of Inzi for being overtly religious on the cricket field by holding a Salat al-Jamaat on the cricket field during lunch, tea or innings breaks in matches. I even criticise the players when, during post match presentation ceremonies, they start off by invoking God (or Allah), or doing sajdah after scoring a 50 or a 100.

But, by the same token, cricketers should not be judged on their cricketing knowledge and ability by insulting their religious beliefs.

Before you lose your lota, go look at the clip again. Moyo instigated.

 

[bones]

More bable. Read the posts above. You are at the moment a poor echo.

Just like Ramiz, you're not addressing any of the points being fired your way.

You said he was a lead contributor before and after retirement. Well before retirement he didn't contribute diddly squat and after retirement if his only contribution is to apparently hire a coach, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I've got no issues with admitting PCB are part of the reason for having major success, but we didn't exactly rock the world with our performances did we? We were at a position where we had been for pretty much the previous 20 years.

 

[Yossarian]

Before you lose your lota, go look at the clip again. Moyo instigated.

No he did not. Yousuf mentioned a "3rd person". Nowhere did he state that he was referring directly to Rameez (even though he probably was) since there are also many others, in addition to Hafeez, Azhar and Rameez, who are also against the inclusion of Amir. Rameez took it upon himself to assume (ass.u.me: making an ass of you and me) that he was the "3rd person".
ie Rameez made an 'ass' of himself with that assumption, and then jumped into the gutter by attacking the beard instead of countering the cricketing argument about Amir's potential return.

Furthermore, when Rameez was being interviewed whilst standing in the stadium next to Waqar (and one other), Yousuf isn't even in that clip! And yet Rameez is still attacking Yousuf's beard! Completely and utterly pathetic.

 

[Pete Rose]

Just like Ramiz, you're not addressing any of the points being fired your way.

You said he was a lead contributor before and after retirement. Well before retirement he didn't contribute diddly squat and after retirement if his only contribution is to apparently hire a coach, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I've got no issues with admitting PCB are part of the reason for having major success, but we didn't exactly rock the world with our performances did we? We were at a position where we had been for pretty much the previous 20 years.

World cup 92 was good enough for me. And he was running the board when we were leading lights in both tests and odis

 

[Bullet Drive]

Brother, we all are making one fundamental mistake - Rambo or MoYo, whoever is better cricketer or analyst doesn't permit them to go at each other like this in live TV. But, to be honest, MoYo started this. Rameez managed to play few more Test than he should have, partially because he was lucky to be around when there was a transition in PAK cricket, but he was quite a decent ODI player, stats might not tell that, because of generation gap from contemporary game.

Regarding Cricket expert, I actually don't agree with you - you don't need to play 100 Test or average 45+ to be an expert or analyst. It's not that RR is great analyst, but one can't tell that, you shouldn't talk about cricket because you have done nothing in Cricket.

By the way, I was going through Cricinfo review of PSL teams (from personal curiosity because I myself did lots of work on this) - the columnist dropped Imad from KK team & played 4 pacers in a T20 tournament in UAE (& 7 bowlers including Malik & Sakib); dropped Maqsood from Lahore team & made Zalmi the most balanced team - that writer is a paid columnist & must be reputed Cricket expert, because he writes regularly in CricInfo, therefore you can't question Rambo on his expertise on cricket.

That Cricinfo report by that journalist was absolutely terrible. Shocked how he is working for Cricinfo.

 

[Pete Rose]

No he did not. Yousuf mentioned a "3rd person". Nowhere did he state that he was referring directly to Rameez (even though he probably was) since there are also many others, in addition to Hafeez, Azhar and Rameez, who are also against the inclusion of Amir. Rameez took it upon himself to assume (ass.u.me: making an ass of you and me) that he was the "3rd person".
ie Rameez made an 'ass' of himself with that assumption, and then jumped into the gutter by attacking the beard instead of countering the cricketing argument about Amir's potential return.

Furthermore, when Rameez was being interviewed whilst standing in the stadium next to Waqar (and one other), Yousuf isn't even in that clip! And yet Rameez is still attacking Yousuf's beard! Completely and utterly pathetic.

Even though he probably was? He made it quite clear, don't be obtuse. Especially when rameez confronted him he repeated verbatim.
So, moyo instigates, gets slapped and we waste posts discussing how rameez insulted maulana Yousuf's beard.

 

[Yossarian]

Even though he probably was? He made it quite clear, don't be obtuse. Especially when rameez confronted him he repeated verbatim.
So, moyo instigates, gets slapped and we waste posts discussing how rameez insulted maulana Yousuf's beard.

'Probably' is not the same as 'was', despite what you think. 'Probably' because you've never studied 'probability theory'? Besides, Yousuf's points were still cricket related (prior to the attack on the beard). And you've failed to address Rameez's rant against the beard (in the other clip) when Yousuf isn't even in that clip!

 

[Pete Rose]

'Probably' is not the same as 'was', despite what you think. 'Probably' because you've never studied 'probability theory'? Besides, Yousuf's points were still cricket related (prior to the attack on the beard). And you've failed to address Rameez's rant against the beard (in the other clip) when Yousuf isn't even in that clip!

He repeated verbatim the same things to rameez once he got slapped. As I said you can focus on the beard and whatever that represents.

 

[ali2220]

Mohammad Yousuf turned his back on his country to play ICL. What are posters' opinions on that?

His credibility = zero.

That should have been Rameez's argument, instead he started talking about beard and lost the plot.

 

[tigerkhan]

What to say about folks who profess overt relgiousity yet lack some of the more basic tennets of their faith which requires them to show restraint and respect.

How is this relevant to a cricket discussion? Was the show about the corruption in religion?
What if tomorrow some cricket expert bring in the ethnicity of a rival expert? Would u be ok with that too?

Cricketing discussions should be stuck to cricket only.

This is not he first time Rameez played the role of morality judge. He also bath mouthed Mohisin Hasan Khan when he was the head coach, on national TV. Rameez had problems with Mohsin's alcohol drinking habits. What people choose to do for religious and social activities, should neither be judged or discussed on cricket shows. Unless of course people are threatening the physical welfare of others.

 

[Pete Rose]

How is this relevant to a cricket discussion? Was the show about the corruption in religion?
What if tomorrow some cricket expert bring in the ethnicity of a rival expert? Would u be ok with that too?

Cricketing discussions should be stuck to cricket only.

This is not he first time Rameez played the role of morality judge. He also bath mouthed Mohisin Hasan Khan when he was the head coach, on national TV. Rameez had problems with Mohsin's alcohol drinking habits. What people choose to do for religious and social activities, should neither be judged or discussed on cricket shows. Unless of course people are threatening the physical welfare of others.

It's very very pertinent, unless one is an ideologue. This particular exchange started with maulana Yousuf bad mouthi rameez raja. I think what is far once than attacking someone's faith is to use it as a cover to shield them from all kinds of despicable behavior. Moyo started this particular fued, and the fact that he got slapped is well deserved. Too many ppl on this forum busy depending the faith rather than the despicable individual.

 

[tigerkhan]

It's very very pertinent, unless one is an ideologue. This particular exchange started with maulana Yousuf bad mouthi rameez raja. I think what is far once than attacking someone's faith is to use it as a cover to shield them from all kinds of despicable behavior. Moyo started this particular fued, and the fact that he got slapped is well deserved. Too many ppl on this forum busy depending the faith rather than the despicable individual.

R u suggesting that the people on this forum are defending MoYo because he is a muslim with a religious beard?

 

[ali2220]

Some people can't see the simple fact that both these ex cricketers were disgraceful in the video, Rameez is more to be blamed because he started Yousuf for all the wrong reasons

 

[tigerkhan]

Some people can't see the simple fact that both these ex cricketers were disgraceful in the video, Rameez is more to be blamed because he started Yousuf for all the wrong reasons

LOL rameez has a problem with pak cricketers having religious beards. He has a problem when they drink alcohol.

LOL Rameez should draft the morality constitution for Pak cricketers. He should also run the inquisition upon any breach.

 

[Pete Rose]

R u suggesting that the people on this forum are defending MoYo because he is a muslim with a religious beard?

What I see is quite a few folks jumping to condemn ramiz's critique, whereas the footage clearly shows who started this tiff. Everything happens for a reason no doubt.

 

[Pete Rose]

Some people can't see the simple fact that both these ex cricketers were disgraceful in the video, Rameez is more to be blamed because he started Yousuf for all the wrong reasons

Wrong. Video starts with moyo doing third person gossip, he gets slapped by ramiz, and then he repeats the critique first person