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[VIDEOS] 9th June: The Battle of New York....who will emerge as the winner?

Which side will emerge as victors in the Battle of New York on 9th June?

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Usman Chadda said:
Bigger news is Imad Wasim will play the India game and probably go back to Pakistan.

Mehran Mumtaz to replace him.
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How does this happen? How is he fit to play a game in the immediate future but not fit to continue the rest of the tournament?

And seriously? Mehran Mumtaz? I get that he is a decent spinner but all our woes are with the middle-order batting. Mehran offers nothing with the bat, if the goal is to bring a genuine front-line spinner, then why hasn't Abrar been played yet? Is he there to carry drinks?

Surely there has to have been a consensus on the fact that a lower-middle order batsman is required for the team.

Salman Ali Agha (like for like replacement) or Irfan Khan Niazi would definitely be my choices for the replacement of Imad Wasim.
 
UzmanBeast said:
How does this happen? How is he fit to play a game in the immediate future but not fit to continue the rest of the tournament?

And seriously? Mehran Mumtaz? I get that he is a decent spinner but all our woes are with the middle-order batting. Mehran offers nothing with the bat, if the goal is to bring a genuine front-line spinner, then why hasn't Abrar been played yet? Is he there to carry drinks?

Surely there has to have been a consensus on the fact that a lower-middle order batsman is required for the team.

Salman Ali Agha (like for like replacement) or Irfan Khan Niazi would definitely be my choices for the replacement of Imad Wasim.
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Probs a ploy to have imad wasim leave officially.

Something must have occurred behind the scenes
 
FearlessRoar said:

IND vs PAK: Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli's Special Training To Counter Pakistan Pacers In T20 World Cup Game​


India outplayed Ireland to register a brilliant 8-wicket victory in their opening game of T20 World Cup 2024 at Nassau County International Cricket Stadium, New York on June 5. However, a bigger challenge awaits Rohit Sharma and Co. now as they are set to face arch-rivals Pakistan at the same venue on Sunday, June 9. So far the surface at the venue has offered vicious bounce to the bowlers, especially pacers. This makes Pakistan a tough opponent, despite the side suffering an embarrassing defeat to United States in its opening game.

The likes of Mohammad Amir, Shaheen Afridi, Naseem Shah and Haris Rauf must be eager to make life tough for the Indian batters on the pitch. Vary of the danger ahead, the batters of Indian team, including captain Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli, prepared themselves with some special training.

Rohit and the senior pros know that against the Pakistan pacers the challenge will be very different when compared to Ireland. And hence, the coaching staff made three of the six drop-in practice strips at the Cantiague Park in Long Islands into abrasive ones with cracks to ensure proper match-simulation for top-order batters, stated a PTI report.

The Indian team's determination to dominate on tracks with dual bounce was evident if one cites an example of South African nets in the morning session on same tracks.

While Kagiso Rabada and Anrich Nortje sent down their thunderbolts, none of the top Proteas batters wanted to risk getting injured ahead of the game against the Netherlands.

In contrast, their Indian counterparts embraced the testing conditions, using them to prepare for the upcoming challenge of facing the Pakistani attack on tracks where teams haven't crossed the 100-run mark in four out of six innings.

There were no half-measures for the Indian skipper, Virat Kohli and others during a three-hour afternoon session where they faced Jasprit Bumrah, Arshdeep Singh, Khaleel Ahmed and Mohammed Siraj.

Kohli, Pant and Suryakumar Yadav were the first Indian batters to hit the nets. They faced the likes of Arshdeep, Bumrah, Siraj, Khaleel along with the throwdown specialists who were hitting the hard length on a consistent basis.

For the batters, the focus was on negotiating the uneven bounce which was very much evident on those practice pitches.

Against spinners, the batters were seen playing quite a few cross-batted shots like sweeps and reverse-sweeps.

As the nets session drew to a close, Jadeja and Shivam Dube took their turns batting, with Kohli joining them for his second stint of the day.

The practice concluded with a team bonding session, as players relaxed and enjoyed a game of football, fostering a lighter atmosphere.

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IND vs PAK: Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli's Special Training To Counter Pakistan Pacers In T20 World Cup Game | Cricket News

IND vs PAK, T20 World Cup 2024: Rohit Sharma-led India are set to face arch-rivals Pakistan in New York on Sunday, June 9.
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When is the Pakistan Team's training session on the ground? Could use the experience on those surfaces.
 
mominsaigol said:
Probs a ploy to have imad wasim leave officially.

Something must have occurred behind the scenes
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If he truly is injured, then this is some light at the end of the tunnel for Pakistan. Need to make the replacement count.

What use is it bringing Mehran if he is not going to play?

Bring a batter so we can have a decent line-up.

Babar Azam
Saim Ayub
Mohammad Rizwan
Usman Khan / Shadab Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Salman Agha / Irfan Khan Niazi
Iftikhar Ahmed / Shadab Khan
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Naseem Shah
Mohammad Amir
Abrar Ahmed

A much more balanced line-up.
 
UzmanBeast said:
If he truly is injured, then this is some light at the end of the tunnel for Pakistan. Need to make the replacement count.

What use is it bringing Mehran if he is not going to play?

Bring a batter so we can have a decent line-up.

Babar Azam
Saim Ayub
Mohammad Rizwan
Usman Khan / Shadab Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Salman Agha / Irfan Khan Niazi
Iftikhar Ahmed / Shadab Khan
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Naseem Shah
Mohammad Amir
Abrar Ahmed

A much more balanced line-up.
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Mate salman agha deserves the call the most but he 100%, this is PCB, what do you think they'll do?
 
As per reports, The inconsistent bounce at Nassau County International Cricket Stadium in New York has been caused by grassy veins in the pitch. To address this, the pitches have been top-dressed and leveled to reduce the impact of the veins and pitch variability. With the grass compressed through rolling, the ball should now hit a flatter surface, resulting in improved playability. According to ICC sources, while the pitches fall short of desired standards, they are deemed safe and not dangerous.
 
mominsaigol said:
Misbah was the same though. He thinks it's better to just stick in their and bat through the entire innings without any actual plan. Just stay in their, hang in their and play till the end.

These boys don't understand that in t20 openers are their to play overs 1-6, If they carry on cool but their not expected to bat through, if that was the case Travis would be averaging 50 and not 29, but he wants to attack in PP, he doesn't wanna hang in their and hope for the best.

No 4,5,6,7 are all expected to play quick cameos. Only no 3 is expected to bat through.

^^ This is how all teams are approaching with the exception of England and SA who just wanna bazzball everything, and India surprisingly, I don't know why kohli is opening, strange call.
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Ind like pak is playing outdated cricket with all the washed up seniors tuk tuks. Can't imagine they dropped jaiswal an attacking left handed batsman. And kohli opening. Both these teams don't deserve to be in the SFs.
 
deltexas said:
Ind like pak is playing outdated cricket with all the washed up seniors tuk tuks. Can't imagine they dropped jaiswal an attacking left handed batsman. And kohli opening. Both these teams don't deserve to be in the SFs.
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We'll see, their defo not winning that's for sure
 
Some weather around start of the game

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Indian media wanted to hype up this match but USA derailed their plans LOL.

They are just trying so hard but they know the rivalry is dead. LOL
 
Chris Gayle on India v Pakistan:

As for Pakistan, they have no time to waste. They have to re-group for the biggest game of the tournament against India in New York City – that’s just got even bigger.

Their backs are up against the wall and coming off a loss like that straight into playing a team like India, who traditionally have the upper hand in these games, is a huge challenge. India are in the driver's seat, definitely a more relaxed seat, but this is India versus Pakistan at a World Cup, so you can take nothing for granted
 
mominsaigol said:
We'll see, their defo not winning that's for sure
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Aus and eng are favorites for me. They play an exciting modern day version of t20. Boy - travis head was such a treat to watch in IPL. And eng has Butler salt jacks Livingstone etc who can just smack it from ball one..
Good that aus dropped steve smith. Aus is my favorite team that i support after USA and ind. Not just now - right from the steve waugh 90s days.. my favorite plyer tugga waugh! Oh that team man - tugga, warne, mark Waugh, McGrath, lee, punter gilly ooph!!
 
deltexas said:
Aus and eng are favorites for me. They play an exciting modern day version of t20. Boy - travis head was such a treat to watch in IPL. And eng has Butler salt jacks Livingstone etc who can just smack it from ball one..
Good that aus dropped steve smith. Aus is my favorite team that i support after USA and ind. Not just now - right from the steve waugh 90s days.. my favorite plyer tugga waugh! Oh that team man - tugga, warne, mark Waugh, McGrath, lee, punter gilly ooph!!
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I always support Australia but if Australia wins today, England are out. Rain did England dirty
 
mominsaigol said:
I always support Australia but if Australia wins today, England are out. Rain did England dirty
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How are England out?

They'll likely demolish Oman and Namibia while Scotland will get battered by Australia. England will go through on NRR.
 
The New York pitch is so bad, even Netherlands have managed to destroy Saffer top order (26/4 at the moment). As long as Pakistani bowlers donot bowl wides, I am sure they can heavily damage Indian batters on 9th June.
 
Mesozoic said:
How are England out?

They'll likely demolish Oman and Namibia while Scotland will get battered by Australia. England will go through on NRR.
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It'll come to Net rr but it's not looking good for England just saying
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Babar at 3 makes sense, adds balance to the top order and can prevent a collapse.
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Given how the pitch in NYC has been playing. There's a fair bit of chance that Saim goes out for duck. Nonetheless it will be interesting to see if he tries to survive and try to score some if he can before going out.
 
RidiculousMan said:
Given how the pitch in NYC has been playing. There's a fair bit of chance that Saim goes out for duck. Nonetheless it will be interesting to see if he tries to survive and try to score some if he can before going out.
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Why couldn't pcb host pak vs India in florida? Its their money making game and NY is what they chose? Clowns
 
Pakistan if bats first will score less than 150 , India if bat first will score 170+

Please no Haris Rauf , he is an absolute dud Rohit Kohli etc thrives on him
 
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So rumours are Azam out and Imad in. This significantly improves the team but it's still nowhere near enough. The batting is still way too light.

If Saim comes in then I'd like it to be for a pacer but the pitch demands pacers. Honestly Pakistan have a huge selection problem and it's all because they didn't bring a balanced squad.
 
mominsaigol said:
Mate salman agha deserves the call the most but he 100%, this is PCB, what do you think they'll do?
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He's a good player of spin, which may well be the difference moving forward in the tournament if Pakistan is to progress.

Will be a very foolish decision not to select either him or Irfan Niazi.
 
I think we can do it.

From a fan perspective we hit rock bottom on Thursday.

The only way from here is up.

InshAllah the boys make us proud. We just need a couple of players to click and we have a shout.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I think we can do it.

From a fan perspective we hit rock bottom on Thursday.

The only way from here is up.

InshAllah the boys make us proud. We just need a couple of players to click and we have a shout.
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I think rock bottom is Canada and ireland mate.

Canada and Ireland are the 2 worst teams so far in our group, meanwhile usa smacked bangaldesh .
 
mominsaigol said:
And btw what I meant was if Pakistan loses to Canada and Ireland its rock bottom.
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Brother what relevance is that to their mind state before the India game. Those matches are still to come lol I am talking about their mindset and our fans mindset before tomorrow.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Brother what relevance is that to their mind state before the India game. Those matches are still to come lol I am talking about their mindset and our fans mindset before tomorrow.
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For the india game I agree with you, I apologise if I set off any hostility, I wasn't trying to.

Yes I agree they should just go out their and play with nothing to lose.

However ik Pakistan, ik this team. They do not listen to fans like you or me. They will go out their with a defeatist mindset, they will lose, and then they are in severe danger of losing to Canada and Ireland because they'll be mentally shot in the same manner as to what happened in asia cup 2023.

This mentality thing isn't something that fans like you and me have been bringing up now. We all have been saying this per game, any team should go out their and swing for the fans with nothing to lose but Pakistan is not that team.
 
If this is the same NY pitch as today for the saffers pitch:

Saim and Imad defo need to be in, ideally for Usman and Azam.

Win toss, bat first and aim for 150+, then hope 4 pronged seame attack can defend it.
Bowling first: restrict to below 140, anything more than 140 where not chasing against Bumrah and co on that pitch.

That for me is how it needs to go.
 
castortroy said:
So the middle order will be

Shadab
Iftikhar
Imad

Batting line up is way to light
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Why does Chacha get game after game after failing every time? Rather have Saim in there...can't do any worse plus can bowl a few overs as well
 
castortroy said:
So the middle order will be

Shadab
Iftikhar
Imad

Batting line up is way to light
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forced inclusion of Shadab by Babar will inherently destabilize the team and ensure they lose…like they have lost the past one year.
 
Saim must open with Rizwan. The pitch has true bounce and both the openers love hitting across the line. Babar opening will once again slow down the run rate and put pressure on rest of the team. We need quick 20-30 from Saim and it will make a huge impact. Drop Azam and play Shadab as a batter or drop him as well.
I have now watched two games in NY and the pitch is bowler friendly only if you bowl in the right areas. Shadab and brainless Haris will go for runs, mark my words.
 
Drake bet 650k on India to win.

Hopefully the Drake curse is true.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Should have picked Sharjeel and Asif Ali.
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Sharjeel would be a walking wicket on these pitches.

It is amazing how some people are still holding onto Sharjeel after he failed in 3 PSL seasons post comeback and is also struggling to dominate a nothing tournament like the Sindh Premier League.
 

A very good video about how the NY pitch was curated so poorly.
 
Kroll said:
Fans should be there lobbing rotten eggs and tomatoes at these charlatans.
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Not even us Indian fans treated our team that way in the 90's. No, I'm not speaking from stories I've heard from my elders, I experience the 90's myself. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
 
Kianig89 said:
Anyone who still picks Azam khan and Haris Rauf is deluded and needs mental help
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Amir, babar, iftikhar, shadab, rauf, azam kick them out, they are all fake stars, marketing companies should ashamed on themselves they have marketed bunch of 3rd class players to get some dollars. Country itself is a joke. We are not serious nation.
 
We have an actor pretending to be an opener.

We have an opener who gets to play at number 4.

We have a player whose pedigree is only PSL.

We have an equator who can't last more than a few balls.

We have a pretender whose best ability is showboating.

And to top it off we have a leader who has no clue how to lead the team.

And gets applauded by fans for existing.

What are we expecting?
 
The NY pitch is horrible and completely unfit for international cricket. Even if Pakistan turn up with their A game, it will be hard for this out of form batting line-up to deal with the Indian bowlers, who have already played 2 matches on this wicket and are generally more disciplined with their line and length than Pakistan.

Pakistan's only hope of winning is bowling first, being disciplined and bundling India out for a low score that they can then can then crawl to. Tough to see Pakistan winning this match after batting first or chasing down anything over 120.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
We have an actor pretending to be an opener.

We have an opener who gets to play at number 4.

We have a player whose pedigree is only PSL.

We have an equator who can't last more than a few balls.

We have a pretender whose best ability is showboating.

And to top it off we have a leader who has no clue how to lead the team.

And gets applauded by fans for existing.

What are we expecting?
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Just imagine we have player like chachu iftikhar in T20?? He might celebrate his 51st birthday this year.

Amir, shadab, babar, rizwan, rauf, azam.
iftikhar, fakhar.
kick them from national team. Stick them to leagues only. National team doesn't deserve them. It's not pakistan team its actually " occupied pakistan team" by bunch investors who hired marketing firms to maintain popularity.
 
Would you rather Pakistan flukes a win today and all issues get brushed under the carpet, or not? I am not sure to be honest.
 
gazza619 said:
Would you rather Pakistan flukes a win today and all issues get brushed under the carpet, or not? I am not sure to be honest.
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The 152-0 brushed everything under the carpet for the next few years.
 
gazza619 said:
Would you rather Pakistan flukes a win today and all issues get brushed under the carpet, or not? I am not sure to be honest.
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Who cares about the issues today?

They've been brushed under the carpet since you and I have been watching cricket.

They ain't going away during our lifetime brother. What will happen is Wahab Riaz gets replaced by Kamran Akmal and Babar gets replaced by Shan Masood.

Let's smash these Indians and have some fun.
 
just need to survive the opening overs. its where india are at their strongest.
 
Rana said:
They are not that strong with spinners like Kuldeep and Chahal coming in for spells?
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Ny pitch isnt that good for spinners and its deadly against pacers. if we end up 2-3 wickets down in the powerplay theirs no coming back
 
MHN1293 said:
Ny pitch isnt that good for spinners and its deadly against pacers. if we end up 2-3 wickets down in the powerplay theirs no coming back
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Pakistan will smash Indian spin here you say?
 
Anyone who deploys a left arm chinaman against Pakistan is 80% likely to win the game
 
BouncerGuy said:
And how is this going to happen??? How can this team make it possible???
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In a one off match any team can beat any other.

Upsets happen in sport. Underdogs win.

They must go out with the intention of bringing glory and trying their best. They can be heroes tomorrow.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The NY pitch is horrible and completely unfit for international cricket. Even if Pakistan turn up with their A game, it will be hard for this out of form batting line-up to deal with the Indian bowlers, who have already played 2 matches on this wicket and are generally more disciplined with their line and length than Pakistan.

Pakistan's only hope of winning is bowling first, being disciplined and bundling India out for a low score that they can then can then crawl to. Tough to see Pakistan winning this match after batting first or chasing down anything over 120.
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This is it, in a nutshell.
It is a disgrace that the most significant factor in the game may not be the quality of the respective players, but rather the vagaries of the playing surface.
If Pakistan end up batting first , it could get very ugly, very quickly.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Who cares about the issues today?

They've been brushed under the carpet since you and I have been watching cricket.

They ain't going away during our lifetime brother. What will happen is Wahab Riaz gets replaced by Kamran Akmal and Babar gets replaced by Shan Masood.

Let's smash these Indians and have some fun.
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Fair enough!!!
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Who cares about the issues today?

They've been brushed under the carpet since you and I have been watching cricket.

They ain't going away during our lifetime brother. What will happen is Wahab Riaz gets replaced by Kamran Akmal and Babar gets replaced by Shan Masood.

Let's smash these Indians and have some fun.
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Note: I wish to share my input, and perspective, its offtopic, no shots being fired etc etc.

Depends on who is made captain No?

When sarfraz was made captain we still had issues but overall situation was good.

Babar use to bat at 4-6 and was promoted at 3 and given the push. Fakhar who made his t20 debut at 4 was made full time opener. Hafeez got his ego brushed aside and finally batted at 4. Malik returned at 5, Haris sohail who would float up and about got a proper position at 4 and hafeez was slotted at 5, Imad got slotted at 7.

We still had some problems. Sarfi was too keen on faheem and anwar ali. Ontop of that inzi being chef selector sidnt help stop imam getting in via nepotism and mickey failed to develop actual spinners and mostly went for spin allrounders.

But if the right captain and the coach who's given proper power have control then situation improves.

In the acc emerging cup Muhammad haris was the same, He makeshifted himself up and down like sarfi use to do, and he had no issues with kicking hasebullah, Usman qadir, Hurraira and other parchi's off the team. Alot of people didn't get selected because of haris and that team was switched on to win. Besides India, every other team like Sri lanka and Bangladesh pretty much went near full strength, Afghanistan was at full strength besides rashid Khan and nabi who were missing.

Babar had complete control in 2023, he had less control now in 2024 but he still had plenty.

It's was Bobby who decided no imad or abrar for world cup 2023 despite both Hafeez and Misbah suggesting otherwise inplace of shadab and nawaz. Similarly it was also Bobby who fast tracked Abdullah into the team despite only having 7 List A games cause he was infatuated with his technique. Abdullah is good but you can tell he's inexperienced cause he often gets caught napping which leads to Lbw. He has gotten out by literally being dozed off on occasion. And it was also Bobby who kicked tayyab off and decided saud at no 5 instead.

Not all of babar's decisions have been bad, but you can clearly see why the team fell apart, because Babar chooses his friends but when the management chooses nepotism like azam, Babar doesn't say anything or put his foot down, like sarfi did by keeping shan masood out for a long time.

30% of problems get solved with a good captain and good coach, the other 20% get solved with a good committe that doesn't include wahab or kamran and includes someone like hafeez, another 30% gets solved if we actually curate pitches properly or take psl back to uae and start looking a lt domestic again.

20% will never be solved because that involved a friendly relationship with India who have the resources to change our dynamics, but that'll never happen.
 
mominsaigol said:
Note: I wish to share my input, and perspective, its offtopic, no shots being fired etc etc.

Depends on who is made captain No?

When sarfraz was made captain we still had issues but overall situation was good.

Babar use to bat at 4-6 and was promoted at 3 and given the push. Fakhar who made his t20 debut at 4 was made full time opener. Hafeez got his ego brushed aside and finally batted at 4. Malik returned at 5, Haris sohail who would float up and about got a proper position at 4 and hafeez was slotted at 5, Imad got slotted at 7.

We still had some problems. Sarfi was too keen on faheem and anwar ali. Ontop of that inzi being chef selector sidnt help stop imam getting in via nepotism and mickey failed to develop actual spinners and mostly went for spin allrounders.

But if the right captain and the coach who's given proper power have control then situation improves.

In the acc emerging cup Muhammad haris was the same, He makeshifted himself up and down like sarfi use to do, and he had no issues with kicking hasebullah, Usman qadir, Hurraira and other parchi's off the team. Alot of people didn't get selected because of haris and that team was switched on to win. Besides India, every other team like Sri lanka and Bangladesh pretty much went near full strength, Afghanistan was at full strength besides rashid Khan and nabi who were missing.

Babar had complete control in 2023, he had less control now in 2024 but he still had plenty.

It's was Bobby who decided no imad or abrar for world cup 2023 despite both Hafeez and Misbah suggesting otherwise inplace of shadab and nawaz. Similarly it was also Bobby who fast tracked Abdullah into the team despite only having 7 List A games cause he was infatuated with his technique. Abdullah is good but you can tell he's inexperienced cause he often gets caught napping which leads to Lbw. He has gotten out by literally being dozed off on occasion. And it was also Bobby who kicked tayyab off and decided saud at no 5 instead.

Not all of babar's decisions have been bad, but you can clearly see why the team fell apart, because Babar chooses his friends but when the management chooses nepotism like azam, Babar doesn't say anything or put his foot down, like sarfi did by keeping shan masood out for a long time.

30% of problems get solved with a good captain and good coach, the other 20% get solved with a good committe that doesn't include wahab or kamran and includes someone like hafeez, another 30% gets solved if we actually curate pitches properly or take psl back to uae and start looking a lt domestic again.

20% will never be solved because that involved a friendly relationship with India who have the resources to change our dynamics, but that'll never happen.
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You overrate Sarfraz and ACC emerging cup.

Sarfraz was good but at the end fell away. The people loving him had the knives out then.

ACC emerging cup is meaningless. You can't base anything at all on it. You have over hyped what was a glorified men against boys tournament.

The captain is one small symptom of the overall problem.
 
Rana said:
Anyone who deploys a left arm chinaman against Pakistan is 80% likely to win the game
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And we dont try to develop such similar talents for our future team , after having seeing the success india has got over these years. Heard we have such chinaman bowlers in domestic cricket.
 
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