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[VIDEOS] Has Haris Rauf proved himself to be a worthy member of the Pakistan side?

RedwoodOriginal said:
Haris Rauf in T20Is since the last T20 World Cup:

22 matches
28 wickets
22.1 bowling average
7.72 economy rate
8.36 death overs economy rate (one of the best in the world).

World-class numbers from a world-class bowler.
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] are you going to comment now on how wrong you were about 'no talent' 'rock thrower' etc? or wait until he inevitably has a bad match as all bowlers do (Rashid got destroyed on supportive wickets in the Asia cup) and then claim you were right all along because these 22 matches before hand don't matter...
 
I have to admit I never thought he would become this good but he has been so consistent for a year now
 
He's up there with Shaheen Afridi now. Terrific bowler. However, he needs to be looked after. I would not play him in the next game.
 
Mamoon said:
This Rauf drama will end in tears. Don’t complain later that I didn’t warn you.

Take him to IPL and he will regularly go for 12+ RPO, and we will see that spectacle in the WT20 where he will get smashed like no tomorrow.
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What a spectacle that was
 
Rana said:
They are all laughing at us
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I have to question myself if I agree w/ Mamoon, but his assessment at the time was correct. Haris was quick but not consistently effective.

However, (and this is why Mamoon’s posts are in bad faith), you have to judge a player over a big sample size. This doubly true for both young players and inexperienced ones like Rauf. The hope is always that through coaching and hard work, rough diamonds will develop and become better versions of themselves. And that Alhamdullillah is what Haris is. Today he is a better version of the bowler Mamoon mocked.

Thus I ask my fellow fans to keep the same positive energy with Haider Ali, Naseem Shah, Dahani and Hasnain. Each of these lads will suffer setbacks, go through rough patches of form and get smashed. However, if they continue to get game time (at whatever level is appropriate) and continue to work on their mistakes, they will also become better players.
 
 
What I like most about Harris is that he gives 100% when bowling or fielding.
 
The guy never played professional cricket in his life prior to being called up for the national team. The keyboard experts should learn that it takes time and experience to shine if one is willing to learn from mistakes and adapt to a whole new environment.
 
UP said:
The guy never played professional cricket in his life prior to being called up for the national team. The keyboard experts should learn that it takes time and experience to shine if one is willing to learn from mistakes and adapt to a whole new environment.
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Maybe the keyboard experts think they can do better? :))
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
I have to question myself if I agree w/ Mamoon, but his assessment at the time was correct. Haris was quick but not consistently effective.

However, (and this is why Mamoon’s posts are in bad faith), you have to judge a player over a big sample size. This doubly true for both young players and inexperienced ones like Rauf. The hope is always that through coaching and hard work, rough diamonds will develop and become better versions of themselves. And that Alhamdullillah is what Haris is. Today he is a better version of the bowler Mamoon mocked.

Thus I ask my fellow fans to keep the same positive energy with Haider Ali, Naseem Shah, Dahani and Hasnain. Each of these lads will suffer setbacks, go through rough patches of form and get smashed. However, if they continue to get game time (at whatever level is appropriate) and continue to work on their mistakes, they will also become better players.
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+1 lovely post. If I may, suggest “they may also become better players” for expectation setting.
Of course, some don’t develop but that’s okay as long as fair chances were provided.
 
I wish he played some FC matches because I think he can be a Test bowler too. It would be pretty great to watch a trio of Shaheen/Naseem/Rauf in Australia next year for the Test matches.

But it doesn't seem like FC matches will on the cards with the WC during FC season and 2023 WC due to be around the same time. Wouldn't surprise me if he starts playing Test matches regardless.

Helluva development case for Pakistan and good on Rauf for working hard to continually improving his game.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I honestly can't think of any fast-bowler besides Shaheen who has advanced so much in such a short period of time.

One of the best death bowlers in the world. And he showed exactly why today by bringing Pakistan back from the brink. He is world-class, make no mistake about it. And if you think otherwise you're a blithering fool whether you want to admit it or not.
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He was pretty impressive in his big bash performance a couple of years ago so there were certainly hints of what he was capable of.

I think he was messed around a bit by being handed the new ball when he wasn’t ready for it. His death bowling has been very good for a while now
 
Growing in stature with every game

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Wicket taker

Leaked some runs today but he’s our best T20 pace bowler
 
MenInG said:
Growing in stature with every game

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Tbh this was a walking wicket

Anyone could have taken it.

When Phil Salt is at the crease, you have a chance to boost your wicket’s tally as a bowler
 
Important wicket for Rauf at a crucial time.

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Officer Barbrady said:
He was pretty impressive in his big bash performance a couple of years ago so there were certainly hints of what he was capable of.

I think he was messed around a bit by being handed the new ball when he wasn’t ready for it. His death bowling has been very good for a while now
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Yep. He was excellent in the Big Bash. Got to have the invaluable experience of bowling on Australian pitches too. Which should come in handy at the World Cup.

I wouldn't say he was misused. I think they were trying to gauge his abilities as a bowler. Unfortunately he was too raw and underdeveloped at that point. So you can't really blame him for that either.
 
Abdullah said:
I was just drawing him out.
No doubt he will respond when haris has a bad game in the Wc.
The worst part is he is probably waiting and hoping for it :facepalm:
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That's his M.O. Go underground when you are proven wrong and people start tagging you, and come back when the player you were wrong about has a bad game.
 
Forum363 said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] are you going to comment now on how wrong you were about 'no talent' 'rock thrower' etc? or wait until he inevitably has a bad match as all bowlers do (Rashid got destroyed on supportive wickets in the Asia cup) and then claim you were right all along because these 22 matches before hand don't matter...
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You're wasting your energy. He will come out and comment when Haris Rauf has a bad match. That's what he is waiting for.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
You're wasting your energy. He will come out and comment when Haris Rauf has a bad match. That's what he is waiting for.
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I am a big Harris supporter

I don’t think his performance was anything special yesterday considering he still took 2 wickets. Overall, he leaked quite a few runs as compared to Wasim, Chacha and Nawaz
 
Rana said:
I am a big Harris supporter

I don’t think his performance was anything special yesterday considering he still took 2 wickets. Overall, he leaked quite a few runs as compared to Wasim, Chacha and Nawaz
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Picked up two massive wickets when Pakistan needed them most. How was his performance not vital to Pakistan winning?

If you are expecting him to win you every single match than that's asking too much because there is no bowler in the world capable of doing that.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Picked up two massive wickets when Pakistan needed them most. How was his performance not vital to Pakistan winning?

If you are expecting him to win you every single match than that's asking too much because there is no bowler in the world capable of doing that.
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True. Just trying to say that I will not defend my favourite or horses I have placed my bets on at all costs. I think he is a superstar/world class T20i bowler. Even slightly below his own standards, he is a proven wicket taker as he did so yesterday

Shoaib Akhtar used to do that too on an off day as well.
 
Haris Rauf has been brilliant throughout the series and deserved better figures:

Overs 24
Runs conceded 189
Wickets 8
Economy-rate 7.87
 
Unreal bowling in these conditions.
Please get more street smart tape ball bowlers.
 
He is the best in the t20s right now. He is just amazing with fast bowling and those slower balls.
 
Are people sure he is a fast bowler? I don’t recall another fast bowler who bowls cutters to batsmen 90% of the time.

He clearly doesn’t back himself to dominate batsmen with pace which he only reserves for the tail.

It is funny how the batsmen pull the trigger early against him without realizing that he doesn’t have the courage to bowl quick to them.

I know Pakistani fans have become so used to mediocrity and average cricket that they would get excited over nothing, but Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib did not make a name for themselves by bowling cutters to batsmen.

I don’t buy this era requirement argument either. Starc and Bumrah are the finest LOI bowlers of this era and they don’t rely on cutters.

Rauf used to bowl quick to batsmen but he got smashed so hard he turned into Sohail Tanvir against them.
 
Mamoon said:
Are people sure he is a fast bowler? I don’t recall another fast bowler who bowls cutters to batsmen 90% of the time.

He clearly doesn’t back himself to dominate batsmen with pace which he only reserves for the tail.

It is funny how the batsmen pull the trigger early against him without realizing that he doesn’t have the courage to bowl quick to them.

I know Pakistani fans have become so used to mediocrity and average cricket that they would get excited over nothing, but Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib did not make a name for themselves by bowling cutters to batsmen.

I don’t buy this era requirement argument either. Starc and Bumrah are the finest LOI bowlers of this era and they don’t rely on cutters.

Rauf used to bowl quick to batsmen but he got smashed so hard he turned into Sohail Tanvir against them.
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Here you are. We were all waiting for which angle you would come with. It’s his slower balls that makes him rubbish now LOL.
 
Mamoon said:
Are people sure he is a fast bowler? I don’t recall another fast bowler who bowls cutters to batsmen 90% of the time.

He clearly doesn’t back himself to dominate batsmen with pace which he only reserves for the tail.

It is funny how the batsmen pull the trigger early against him without realizing that he doesn’t have the courage to bowl quick to them.

I know Pakistani fans have become so used to mediocrity and average cricket that they would get excited over nothing, but Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib did not make a name for themselves by bowling cutters to batsmen.

I don’t buy this era requirement argument either. Starc and Bumrah are the finest LOI bowlers of this era and they don’t rely on cutters.

Rauf used to bowl quick to batsmen but he got smashed so hard he turned into Sohail Tanvir against them.
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Finally you found this thread again.
What a brilliant spell of bowling it was. Hope you enjoyed it!
 
Hopefully getting some advice from Waqar!

FebkVlzXoAAEWUT
 
Haris Rauf - spirit of a warrior!

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You used to call him a tape ball bowler, but over the years he has embarrassed you to your lowest. Now you dont have any argument left to discredit him ;)

Btw, your beloved Bumrah just lemme know how many International matches he has missed for his country as compared to IPL.

Hatred is fine, but hatred beyond limits makes you a clown whose a reason for good entertainment to others.

And lemme remind you you are the one who used to compare Shaheen with Anwar Ali
Lol
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Haris Rauf is one of the most improved cricketers in the world. Now added consistency to his pace and wicket-taking ability. This year in T20Is:<br><br>Overs 55.1<br>Runs conceded 443<br>Wickets 21<br>Economy-rate 8.03<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NZvsPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NZvsPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1578653800445145088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2022</a></blockquote>
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What a bowling performance from him yet again. Even tough his stats are not that good yet, you feel it that he is one of the best fast bowlers in the T20I format.
Lets see if he can take this form to the World cup and also to the other formats after the WC.
 
He's being overplayed by our joke management. They're taking advantage of the fact that for an express pacer he's surprisingly durable (thank god), and barely giving him a rest in any game. Every other country manages their pacers so much better than we do its absolutely ridiculous
 
D/DAhmed said:
He's being overplayed by our joke management. They're taking advantage of the fact that for an express pacer he's surprisingly durable (thank god), and barely giving him a rest in any game. Every other country manages their pacers so much better than we do its absolutely ridiculous
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He should :
- skip next two matches
- play the final of the tri series
- skip the warm up matches
- play again at the WC
 
Today is the 6th time Haris Rauf has taken 3 or more wickets in a T20I innings and the third time he has done it against New Zealand.
 
Haris' 3 wicket over

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Ahmed216 said:
Bestt T20 fast bowler in the world right now. Bumrah is done and dusted, enough of that poor action and run up which has taken its toll
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Bumrah just picked a 6fer in England and won his team white ball series there. Not sure why would you say he is finished? He is just injured like Shaheen Afridi which is part and parcel of the game.
 
He is clearly a different bowler than what he was and he worked a lot on his death bowling. One you shouldn’t be too stiff on their opinion that’s ignorance(don’t mean any disrespect).
 
Mobashir said:
What a bowling performance from him yet again. Even tough his stats are not that good yet, you feel it that he is one of the best fast bowlers in the T20I format.
Lets see if he can take this form to the World cup and also to the other formats after the WC.
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He isn't amongst top 5 t20i bowlers, stats are there for everyone to see.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
He isn't amongst top 5 t20i bowlers, stats are there for everyone to see.
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Stats are for the whole career. Someone like Bhuvi Kumar or Trent Boult might have better overall stats but no one in their right mind is picking those two over Rauf right now.
 
Haris has perfected the art of death bowling.

I am quite happy for Pakistan bowling state at the moment. If Shaheen can bowl upfront and Naseem can support him, we can use Mohammad Wasim Jr and Haris at the death.

Add Shadab and Iftikhar and Nawaz to the mix and Pakistan have a deadly bowling combination.
 
Why was Babar Azam motm today? Harris’s over was the difference
 
Mamoon said:
Are people sure he is a fast bowler? I don’t recall another fast bowler who bowls cutters to batsmen 90% of the time.

He clearly doesn’t back himself to dominate batsmen with pace which he only reserves for the tail.

It is funny how the batsmen pull the trigger early against him without realizing that he doesn’t have the courage to bowl quick to them.

I know Pakistani fans have become so used to mediocrity and average cricket that they would get excited over nothing, but Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib did not make a name for themselves by bowling cutters to batsmen.

I don’t buy this era requirement argument either. Starc and Bumrah are the finest LOI bowlers of this era and they don’t rely on cutters.

Rauf used to bowl quick to batsmen but he got smashed so hard he turned into Sohail Tanvir against them.
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Stop with your dramybaazi
 
Mamoon said:
Are people sure he is a fast bowler? I don’t recall another fast bowler who bowls cutters to batsmen 90% of the time.

He clearly doesn’t back himself to dominate batsmen with pace which he only reserves for the tail.

It is funny how the batsmen pull the trigger early against him without realizing that he doesn’t have the courage to bowl quick to them.

I know Pakistani fans have become so used to mediocrity and average cricket that they would get excited over nothing, but Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib did not make a name for themselves by bowling cutters to batsmen.

I don’t buy this era requirement argument either. Starc and Bumrah are the finest LOI bowlers of this era and they don’t rely on cutters.

Rauf used to bowl quick to batsmen but he got smashed so hard he turned into Sohail Tanvir against them.
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Oh my. What a post!:14:









:facepalm:
 
shady said:
Stats are for the whole career. Someone like Bhuvi Kumar or Trent Boult might have better overall stats but no one in their right mind is picking those two over Rauf right now.
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They only use stats when it suites them.
 
asadee said:
He is becoming Gul like in T20s. Such an impact bowler
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Gul bowled searing yorkers regardless of who was facing him. Rauf bowlers cutters to batsmen because he doesn’t back himself to dominate them with pace.

They are not even in the same league.
 
He is the fastest bowler and the best bowler in t20s.
He is bowling like a dream.
He can bowl fast at 155 and the slower ones at 125 and they are so effective. He uses his change of pace so well.
The best in the world!!!!
 
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The only thing we can gather from this clip is that Imran does not watch any cricket at all.

He is simply naming the players that are popular these days and he has “heard” their names on tv or from people around him, and he is still taking ages to recall their names.

I bet he cannot name the current Pakistan playing XI and he is informed on what is happening with the cricket team as a random uncle who only watched Pakistan once in two years i.e. when they play India.

This is not a dig on Imran because he has different priorities now and he has been two busy with politics over the last decade or so to follow cricket, but this is more of a commentary on how we cannot gather anything from the above clip in terms of how he views these players.
 
Mamoon said:
Gul bowled searing yorkers regardless of who was facing him. Rauf bowlers cutters to batsmen because he doesn’t back himself to dominate them with pace.

They are not even in the same league.
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Aren't you the one who criticise pakistan oacers for just focusing on speed guns Haris has perfected the art of death bowling with a bagful of tricks and as long results are coming don't see any need to attack him far cry of when you called him a tape ball bowler
 
Xoib said:
Aren't you the one who criticise pakistan oacers for just focusing on speed guns Haris has perfected the art of death bowling with a bagful of tricks and as long results are coming don't see any need to attack him far cry of when you called him a tape ball bowler
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I prefer classic, pure fast bowling. Bowlers getting the better of batsmen with swing, seam and well-directed bouncers. That is how all the great fast bowlers in history have made their name, not by cheap bag of tricks like slower ones etc.

These are the things that Rauf cannot do, which is why he doesn’t play Test cricket because he is after all a tape ball hack.
 
Mamoon said:
I prefer classic, pure fast bowling. Bowlers getting the better of batsmen with swing, seam and well-directed bouncers. That is how all the great fast bowlers in history have made their name, not by cheap bag of tricks like slower ones etc.

These are the things that Rauf cannot do, which is why he doesn’t play Test cricket because he is after all a tape ball hack.
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Those classic fast bowlers would struggle to bowl in limited overs cricket with just seam up length bowling and the odd bouncer. Wasim and Waqar to used to bowl cutters and slower balls on flat ODI pitches.
 
Mamoon said:
I prefer classic, pure fast bowling. Bowlers getting the better of batsmen with swing, seam and well-directed bouncers. That is how all the great fast bowlers in history have made their name, not by cheap bag of tricks like slower ones etc.

These are the things that Rauf cannot do, which is why he doesn’t play Test cricket because he is after all a tape ball hack.
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All the skills are to a bowlers credit. Slower balls, split seam etc. I have seen more cricket than anyone here (given my advanced age), and comparisons across eras aren't really valid. All a player can do is shine in his own era. The rest is just fun coffee talk.
 
There's nothing in his bowling, gun barrel straight and doesn't extract much bounce.

If Shaheen is absent from this world cup then Rauf will lead the attack for Pakistan and that would make it easy for the opposition to attack Pakistani bowlers.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
There's nothing in his bowling, gun barrel straight and doesn't extract much bounce.

If Shaheen is absent from this world cup then Rauf will lead the attack for Pakistan and that would make it easy for the opposition to attack Pakistani bowlers.
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Hahahahah. A jealous Indian spotted. Keep them coming. LOL.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
There's nothing in his bowling, gun barrel straight and doesn't extract much bounce.

If Shaheen is absent from this world cup then Rauf will lead the attack for Pakistan and that would make it easy for the opposition to attack Pakistani bowlers.
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Good to see you have finally started rating Shaheen. You said similar things about him also, didn't you? :inti
 
Mamoon said:
I prefer classic, pure fast bowling. Bowlers getting the better of batsmen with swing, seam and well-directed bouncers. That is how all the great fast bowlers in history have made their name, not by cheap bag of tricks like slower ones etc.

These are the things that Rauf cannot do, which is why he doesn’t play Test cricket because he is after all a tape ball hack.
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Lol 😂 this is arguably the dumbest take I’ve seen on this forum in a long, long time. Sometimes I have to wonder whether you understand the basics of cricket. Variation is a skillset not a cheap bag of tricks, it’s how you take wickets if you’re smart. Work smarter, not harder. Shoaib Akhtar took wickets with slower balls against England in tests in 2005 and was quite successful. You have an irrational hatred towards Rauf and basically the entire Pakistani team, possibly even yourself for being Pakistani but that’s something you’ll need analyzed by a professional.
 
Mamoon said:
I prefer classic, pure fast bowling. Bowlers getting the better of batsmen with swing, seam and well-directed bouncers. That is how all the great fast bowlers in history have made their name, not by cheap bag of tricks like slower ones etc.

These are the things that Rauf cannot do, which is why he doesn’t play Test cricket because he is after all a tape ball hack.
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Lol, now you’re just being unreasonable. Criticizing for the sake of criticism.
 
Probably the best t20 bowler in the world right now. Amazing consistency to go with his exciting skillset.
 
MenInG said:
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This is such a fun clip to watch. IK has a gift of oration and has tons of knowledge about cricket. Loved watching him talk about cricket. The last time he properly sat in a cricket show was probably in Wc 2011.
 
Haris - super quick to Darwish

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jeeteshssaxena said:
There's nothing in his bowling, gun barrel straight and doesn't extract much bounce.

If Shaheen is absent from this world cup then Rauf will lead the attack for Pakistan and that would make it easy for the opposition to attack Pakistani bowlers.
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Took two big wickets of Rohit and Sky. Time to acknowledge 'The Speed Chief'. :inti
 
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