[VIDEOS] Humble pie thread for those who doubted Mohammad Rizwan

[MRSN]

This has been a very good knock and he played well in first innings too. This has been surprisingly a good outing for him and I guess we should appreciate his fightback after all the hate he got from T20 series.

 

[gazza619]

Our fans are clueless and some of our cricket pundits (including Latif and Akhtar) have an agenda.

I have always supported Rizwan since he scored those 2 ODI tons against the aussies.

 

[andy0204]

He should have been in the team last year.

 

[Arsal_AK]

That was as good an Innings as Babar's. Brilliant batting from Rizwan. Absolutely gutted that he didn't get that hundred.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">95 by Mohammad Rizwan today is the highest score by a Pakistani wicket-keeper batsman in Australia <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AUSvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AUSvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1198475450869268482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[MenInG]

And kudos to Pak management for selecting him instead of Sarfaraz.

 

[saeed5646]

I am disheartened for him .Deserves a hundred

 

[saeed5646]

Thankfully this will be end of sarfraz

 

[aloo paratha]

Some people were quick to judge him based on T20 series.

 

[IndianHero]

He has potential and is far better than sarfaraz in terms of batting

 

[Boi]

Very good batsmen for Tests.

 

[Mercurial]

Very good batsmen for Tests.

And ODIs.

 

[last_knight]

[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] should be able to remember my debate with him two years ago where he ridiculed my vote for Rizwan in thread "Who Should replace MisYou".

I have been one of very few strong supporters of Rizwan, the test batsman. Still #7 is too low for him.

 

[MRSN]

Rizwan on his comeback has been brilliant. 2 100s against Aus in ODIs and now this performance in his first test.

felt really sad for him not getting his well deserved 100 but man what a comeback.

 

[Pete Rose]

Pakistan logic indicates , he will be dropped from the test team once he fails in a couple of t20’s

 

[MRSN]

[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] should be able to remember my debate with him two years ago where he ridiculed my vote for Rizwan in thread "Who Should replace MisYou".

I have been one of very few strong supporters of Rizwan, the test batsman. Still #7 is too low for him.

he should bat above hacks like Iftikhar.

 

[MRSN]

Pakistan logic indicates , he will be dropped from the test team once he fails in a couple of t20’s

yeah some people are just like that. Rizwan has looked solid in ODIs and tests. May be T20s just not for him. He did well in national T20 cup but still think we should use Umar Akmal as a wk. Don't think we can afford likes of Rizwan in this format.

 

[iRfaN_LA]

just remove him from T20s. Keep him in ODI and Tests. PCB think tank needs to wake up.

 

[Mercurial]

I don't think there was any need of this taunting thread. I think most of the posters over here believe he is a good option for Tests and ODIs. If he was bashed, it was mainly because of his T20I performances where he fails to show his domestic T20 form. If only he had power hitting skills, he could have been world class!

 

[Green Patriot]

He is not a t20 player and sometimes in ODIs he can be a liabilty but that's not because of his ability rather the team already possessing loads of accumulators.He is another accumulator who comes in at the crucial position when the team is in need of some quick runs.

But in tests he is good, well ahead of the alternatives and should be persisted with.

 

[Saj]

Mickey Arthur "That was a standout performance from Rizwan, he's been exceptional in this whole Test match. He shouldn't have been out in the first innings. He kept well, his energy was good and he deserved a hundred"

 

[DrSchultz]

You know what's so sad about this? The fact that he was kept out to accommodate a past his sell by date overweight sarfraz.

 

[Hawkeye]

He might become a good option for Tests. These two innings are promising.

Sarfraz too had done wonders as a keeper bat in Tests when he started. Look where he is now.

So, Rizwan has to keep working on his game and continue performing. Good job in the 1st Test.

 

[DrSchultz]

He might become a good option for Tests. These two innings are promising.

Sarfraz too had done wonders as a keeper bat in Tests when he started. Look where he is now.

So, Rizwan has to keep working on his game and continue performing. Good job in the 1st Test.

What wonders sarfraz was a genuine tailender when he started.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

a little disappointed to be honest on both him and Babar... should have gone on to make big hundreds ... but that will come with experience ...

Rizwan is def an upgrade version of sarfraz and his commitment to improve is massive.... could have easily be let down n lost in the domestic but the guy kept on pushing n pushing n pushing

he has a good cricketing brain as well... and is a great great athlete .... also easily the best keeper after Rashid

 

[Hawkeye]

What wonders sarfraz was a genuine tailender when he started.

Yep, in the very initial matches he indeed was. Then dropped but when he came back, was a totally different player. Was in contention for being the best Wk/bat in the world in Test cricket. Rivaling Watling. Making quick fire 70s.

But he's history now and am glad Misbah kicked him out.

These two innings from Rizwan will ensure Sarfraz stays out in Tests.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Team management selected him for t20s which was a very poor decision , they need to keep him away frim t20s. Same goes for haris sohail and imam ul haq. T20 is the format where you should only play the players who are good for the shortest format.

 

[MenInG]

Mickey Arthur on Rizwan

"That was a standout performance from Rizwan, he's been exceptional in this whole Test match. He shouldn't have been out in the first innings. He kept well, his energy was good and he deserved a hundred"

 

[Abdullah]

Another piece in the jigsaw found!!
I'm hoping we can build a proper team around Babar Rizwan imam Shan Shaheen naseem abbas

Seniirs still holding us back!!

 

[Hasan123]

But but there is no keeper better than Sarfraz in Pakistan .

People were writing him off after his performances in the T20. No offense but PP take performances in T20 way too seriously.

Rizwan has performed in List A and first class cricket. So that is where his strengths are. Not facing 20 balls.

 

[Barragan]

This is what is wrong with Pak cricket, they can never, ever distinguish between formats!!

Rizwan was never a T20 player and he used to bat very low down the order for KK, but team management doesn't understand that.

 

[Hyperion66]

This has been a very good knock and he played well in first innings too. This has been surprisingly a good outing for him and I guess we should appreciate his fightback after all the hate he got from T20 series.

Great thread. Great innings. Rizwan is a fighter and seems to be mentally quite strong too. Unbelievable how he was ignored under Mickey while a nothing player like Sarfraz kept playing tests after test.

 

[moghul]

He might become a good option for Tests. These two innings are promising.

Sarfraz too had done wonders as a keeper bat in Tests when he started. Look where he is now.

So, Rizwan has to keep working on his game and continue performing. Good job in the 1st Test.

Sarfraz scored in the roads of UAE, Riz scored at Gaba against an awesome attack.

 

[moghul]

Rizwan is a excellent test and ODI wicketkeepr batsman but not a T20 player.

 

[Markhor]

Rizwan can continue in Tests but he's an appalling limited overs batsman. He has no balance at the crease especially when going for big shots - he doesn't have a stable base and against legspin he has shown weakness.

However in Tests where he can take his time building an innings that shouldn't be an issue.

Goes without saying he's an upgrade on Sarfraz.

 

[Rana]

This 95 is going to haunt Pakistan cricket for many years to come

 

[MRSN]

This 95 is going to haunt Pakistan cricket for many years to come

same was said after his 1st hundred against Aus last year and same was said after his 2nd hundred few days later. Rizwan is a solid player. He may not look that classy but he will get thr job done. So far very consistent performances from him on his comeback and it's coming against top team not minnows.

 

[MRSN]

Rizwan can continue in Tests but he's an appalling limited overs batsman. He has no balance at the crease especially when going for big shots - he doesn't have a stable base and against legspin he has shown weakness.

However in Tests where he can take his time building an innings that shouldn't be an issue.

Goes without saying he's an upgrade on Sarfraz.

we have seen how good Pak resources are in the world cup. We don't have good wk batsmen. Rizwan can be a very good no.4 batsman for Pakistan in ODIs. You don't need to be a power hitter at 4. Just rotate the strike and occasional boundaries which he can do easily. Big hitting can be improved and he has shown signs of improvement.

 

[MRSN]

Sarfraz scored in the roads of UAE, Riz scored at Gaba against an awesome attack.

Sarfraz never had the patience and ability to play gritty knock like Rizwan played today. If his scoring areas were blocked, third man and sweep shot, he would throw his wicket away. This is why never compare him with Sarfraz. Rizwan knows the art of staying at crease and playing big innings.

 

[Bewal Express]

I saw his innings until lunch and looked good. I hope he kicks on and becomes a solid WK/Bat.

 

[Mueez]

He played a good innings.

Well done Rizwan.

He needs to carry on like this on a regular basis.

 

[Markhor]

we have seen how good Pak resources are in the world cup. We don't have good wk batsmen. Rizwan can be a very good no.4 batsman for Pakistan in ODIs. You don't need to be a power hitter at 4. Just rotate the strike and occasional boundaries which he can do easily. Big hitting can be improved and he has shown signs of improvement.

He hasn't and big hitting is essential in this age of flat ODI pitches where 300+ is the norm. He is painfully limited in that respect as a batsman.

But anyway this thread is after his Test performance and I'm content to see him get a run in this format.

 

[Hawkeye]

Sarfraz scored in the roads of UAE, Riz scored at Gaba against an awesome attack.

Sarfraz scored a half century last time at the Gabba.

He was good in those days but massively regressed. Had weaknesses against pace anyways.

 

[azimiqbal]

Gutted for Rizwan! Deserved a 100.
I think he should be our test keeper.

Personally I would experiment with t20 and ODI cricket as I believe you need someone who is more aggressive and has the ability to clear the boundary

 

[fluke]

certainly deserves a long run in tests and ODI's

 

[sindhiboy]

He was supposed to already be a permanent member for 3 years.

Sarfraz kept rizwan out and wasted his years.

No idea why he was lambasted and trolled by so many fans

 

[Titan24]

Already owns a couple of records in few matches when it comes to Pakistani keepers. Scored 2 centuries in a single ODI series and now the highest score for a Pakistani keeper in tests in Australia.

Not sure why our fans dont believe in 2nd chances to players as many cricketers improve in their careers. Sharjeel Khan was one example who was a completely different player in his second spell for Pak then when he debuted and now Rizwan looks to be much more confident of his skills and looks much more polished as a player.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No humble pie for me. I have always backed technique over flash, hence always backed Babar and Rizwan ahead of all other competition. I also backed Mickey Arthur over an unqualified Pakistan coach. I have been proven right time after time.

 

[Titan24]

This 95 is going to haunt Pakistan cricket for many years to come

I guess one should check the historical records of Pakistani keepers before jumping to this conclusion. Even if you think he isnt good how much worse he can do than Rashid, Moin, Kamran, Sarfaraz(Excluding his purple patch at home) when in comes to test batting for a Pakistani keeper.

So I don’t exactly understand how is this gonna haunt. We havent exactly produced Gilchrists before and there arent any now in domestic cricket. He is the best we have got and he has much more superior record in history of domestic cricket if we include both list A and FC performances for a keeper.

 

[Titan24]

After a long time we have a solid keeper who can consistently contribute with bat in both ODIs and tests. As I said time and time again he should be persisted with as Pak batting looks much more balanced with him as a keeper.

 

[shortbread]

What a find.

He's fixed in the test side. I think he should avoid t20s.

He has a role to play in odis, but only if we can find a more aggressive top order.

 

[gazza619]

I think we should stick with rizwan in tests and odis and give rohail nazir a chance in t20s.

 

[ZamanFan]

Sarfraz never had the patience and ability to play gritty knock like Rizwan played today. If his scoring areas were blocked, third man and sweep shot, he would throw his wicket away. This is why never compare him with Sarfraz. Rizwan knows the art of staying at crease and playing big innings.

Rizwan did well but this pathetic comparison with Sarfaraz is foolish. Pakistan was 57 for 5 against same Australia in Abu Dhabi last year, facing similar capitulation with experienced batting Azhar and Asad . From there Sarfaraz and Fakhar Zaman batted Pakistan to a much better score from where they rebounded and won the test.

If Asad Shafiq had done this 95 I doubt anyone would be praising him, where Rizwan was dropped thrice.

I would've praised this performance if Rizwan tried to bat longer with the tail and push Australia to bat again. Pakistan still was defeated by several runs and an innings. Yasir Shah 42 helped Pakistan cross 300 or if it was upto Babar and Rizwan Pakistan would not make more than 280. He played rash shots in the end and eventually got out 5 runs short. Have seen him in Odi and T20 format where he looks a complete joke.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Rizwan did well but this pathetic comparison with Sarfaraz is foolish. Pakistan was 57 for 5 against same Australia in Abu Dhabi last year, facing similar capitulation with experienced batting Azhar and Asad . From there Sarfaraz and Fakhar Zaman batted Pakistan to a much better score from where they rebounded and won the test.

If Asad Shafiq had done this 95 I doubt anyone would be praising him, where Rizwan was dropped thrice.

I would've praised this performance if Rizwan tried to bat longer with the tail and push Australia to bat again. Pakistan still was defeated by several runs and an innings. Yasir Shah 42 helped Pakistan cross 300 or if it was upto Babar and Rizwan Pakistan would not make more than 280. He played rash shots in the end and eventually got out 5 runs short. Have seen him in Odi and T20 format where he looks a complete joke.

Oh look it's sarfraz fan here!! )

 

[JibranAnsari]

i don't really like umar akmal , but he can play as keeper in t20s. Pakistan lack big hitting keepers. Rohail is a good batsman but not a hitter.

 

[Relic]

Rizwan did well but this pathetic comparison with Sarfaraz is foolish. Pakistan was 57 for 5 against same Australia in Abu Dhabi last year, facing similar capitulation with experienced batting Azhar and Asad . From there Sarfaraz and Fakhar Zaman batted Pakistan to a much better score from where they rebounded and won the test.

If Asad Shafiq had done this 95 I doubt anyone would be praising him, where Rizwan was dropped thrice.

I would've praised this performance if Rizwan tried to bat longer with the tail and push Australia to bat again. Pakistan still was defeated by several runs and an innings. Yasir Shah 42 helped Pakistan cross 300 or if it was upto Babar and Rizwan Pakistan would not make more than 280. He played rash shots in the end and eventually got out 5 runs short. Have seen him in Odi and T20 format where he looks a complete joke.

Sarfaraz was playing in the UAE LOL

 

[Junaids]

Look at last week’s poll.

I predicted he’d be Pakistan’s top scorer in this series.

And so far, he is!

 

[Hawkeye]

People are quick to make someone a hero and then a zero too after a few matches.

His good Test form does not mean he's not a limited LOi batsman. You can think of him as a Fawad Alam/Sarfraz when it comes to the ability to score fast and accelerate, particularly against the pacers.

In ODIs, he isn't a top 3 batsman where you're not required to go after the bowlers. He plays at a position where you're also required to hit bowlers towards the end of the innings, if you don't get out early.

And that's what his kryptonite is. He cannot accelerate and hit the bowlers when he has to play limited overs. And he has been caught in such situations in ODIs already, just like Fawad Alam. Or even Sarfraz.

So, he can bat in ODIs when there's no pressure to take on the bowlers. But when chasing or setting scores in the last few overs, he can't hit.

Very similar to Sarfraz in that area.

Of course he will play the ODIs going forward. But this is one limitation coaches should be aware of. And can affect success/impact.

 

[topspin]

Humble pie for [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] in particular who I recall (not so long ago) claimed that Rizwan wasn't good enough to make Afghanistan's team.

RIP to your logic. An apology for misleading the forum (once again) would be suffice.

 

[Saj]

He's a battle-hardened cricketer who deserves a proper chance.

Give him time, he will only get better.

 

[Asif321]

lets wait for him to settle in . Sarfraz was people hero not long ago ,started failing in games and people called him rubbish . if rizwan goes through same patch people will start getting crazy here

 

[coy0607]

Everyone knows Rizwan can bat - the question is can he do it consistently, and how well his keeping will hold up.

He is well on his way to proving himself as a quality wicketkeeper-batsmen. He should be batting higher that #7 for sure

 

[MenInG]

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How Australia planned his dismissal.

 

[Asif321]

Sarfaraz was playing in the UAE LOL

Sarfraz has 3 fifty plus scores in australia
so cant say sarfraz was bad

 

[Relic]

Sarfraz has 3 fifty plus scores in australia
so cant say sarfraz was bad

That was 3 years ago and I agree he did amazing.
I remember that he was one of our leading run scorers for that series.

But now he's hopeless.

 

[MRSN]

People are quick to make someone a hero and then a zero too after a few matches.

His good Test form does not mean he's not a limited LOi batsman. You can think of him as a Fawad Alam/Sarfraz when it comes to the ability to score fast and accelerate, particularly against the pacers.

In ODIs, he isn't a top 3 batsman where you're not required to go after the bowlers. He plays at a position where you're also required to hit bowlers towards the end of the innings, if you don't get out early.

And that's what his kryptonite is. He cannot accelerate and hit the bowlers when he has to play limited overs. And he has been caught in such situations in ODIs already, just like Fawad Alam. Or even Sarfraz.

So, he can bat in ODIs when there's no pressure to take on the bowlers. But when chasing or setting scores in the last few overs, he can't hit.

Very similar to Sarfraz in that area.

Of course he will play the ODIs going forward. But this is one limitation coaches should be aware of. And can affect success/impact.

funny how you are comparing him with Fawad Alam despite seeing his 2 100s and this performance against Australian team. Unlike Fawad Rizwan has boundary shots and he doesn't need to do anything out of the book to get his job done. Today he showed a lot of balance and composure at the crease and played Lyon and pacers really well in pressure situation. If a batsman can bat this well in such a pressure game of his life he can be a good no.4 batsman in ODIs. You don't need to be Roy or Rohit Sharma batting at 4. He can bat at 80-90 strike rate and we can afford to play a power hitter down the order.

 

[Abdullah719]

1st innings

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2nd innings

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[MRSN]

Sarfraz has 3 fifty plus scores in australia
so cant say sarfraz was bad

You are talking about his peak days. He was struggling to play one decent kncok in last three years. Mighty downfall. Rizwan has scored 2 100s in ODIs and almost scored a 100 in tests on Australian side. This was also highest score by a Pakistani wk batsman. You can't take any credit away from Rizwan. He has earned a long run in the side and no body should question his place.

 

[Rayyman]

Rizwan is the perfect keeper-bat. He is athletic and safe behind the stumps. Has a positive attitude. Has a short height which helps him catch balls at chest height and have lateral quickness in keeping, but also, it is a major factor in him being arguably the best back-foot player in Pakistan along with Babar. His only problem in batting is that he struggles against swing/seam movement, but as long as he bats in the middle-order he will be valuable becasue he scores clutch runs at a quick rate.

Very good player.

 

[Asif321]

You are talking about his peak days. He was struggling to play one decent kncok in last three years. Mighty downfall. Rizwan has scored 2 100s in ODIs and almost scored a 100 in tests on Australian side. This was also highest score by a Pakistani wk batsman. You can't take any credit away from Rizwan. He has earned a long run in the side and no body should question his place.

That is what I said it’s rizwan peak also he is in form at the moment . What happens if he fails in 3 series . People praising him here now will be first one to call him rubbish

Things change quickly

Sarfraz has decent contributions in England also . Match winning knocks in UAE

at the moment can’t compare him with Sarfraz
Let him play more test matches then we will see who is better

Suddenly jumping on conclusion isn’t right thing to do

 

[Salman4.]

Peak Sarfraz or whatever, he always struggled against pace. Rizwan doesn't seem that troubled against pace.

 

[Slog]

Rizwan is in very good form if you follow
Domestics so one must applaud selectors for a change for picking the right guy at the right time and not when he’s past his sell by date or out of form.

However he is a poor wicketkeeper and his keeping will come to haunt us sooner rather than later.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Rizwan can continue in Tests but he's an appalling limited overs batsman. He has no balance at the crease especially when going for big shots - he doesn't have a stable base and against legspin he has shown weakness.

However in Tests where he can take his time building an innings that shouldn't be an issue.

Goes without saying he's an upgrade on Sarfraz.

He's not an appalling ODI batsman . Just can't finish the innings and hit big. That's ok though. He's still an upgrade over sarfraz.

 

[ZamanFan]

That is what I said it’s rizwan peak also he is in form at the moment . What happens if he fails in 3 series . People praising him here now will be first one to call him rubbish

Things change quickly

Sarfraz has decent contributions in England also . Match winning knocks in UAE

at the moment can’t compare him with Sarfraz
Let him play more test matches then we will see who is better

Suddenly jumping on conclusion isn’t right thing to do

Some trying to hype Rizwan Bradman are doing more in hate for Sarfaraz.

There was nothing extraordinary in this innings he failed to save innings defeat and played carelessly when batting with Yasir.
On new cherry this guy can't last few balls.

Rizwan is a mental midget who does'nt score freely if there are more than 4 players in the circle.

Comparing this guy with Sarfaraz who happens to be a captain also is moronic and pitiful.

 

[Professor]

I don’t think too many people had a problem with Rizwan in test cricket. It’s LOIs especially T20s where there are question marks on him.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Not a t20 player.

 

[Shazzam]

I would have valued this innings had he not played that ugly shot to get out.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Said that before the first test that Rizwan is good enough to play as a batsman. Him keeping wickets gives Pakistan an option to go with 4 specialist bowler and an all-rounder.

 

[Snowflake]

More than anything else, that knock tells us how right Mickey was in his assessment of Rizwan. Mickey confirmed during the T20 series that he always believed Rizwan is a good test player but not a good ODI player, but Misbah didn't agree with him.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

More than anything else, that knock tells us how right Mickey was in his assessment of Rizwan. Mickey confirmed during the T20 series that he always believed Rizwan is a good test player but not a good ODI player, but Misbah didn't agree with him.

Then why did Mickey keep picking Sarfraz for tests and let him stay as captain even though he was absolute rubbish.