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[VIDEOS] Is Babar Azam the best all format batter in the world currently?

What’s the point of the term “all format batsman”? Is it to gloss over the weaknesses a batsman has in one format to compensate them with strengths they have in other formats?
All format bats imo are more about players who have had both stellar careers in all formats.

Kumar Sangakara is a good example granted test was clearly his best format, but he was quality to have during t20 and odi, in fact he has a tournament winning knock against India in t20.

De villers is another example, Travis head is also another example.

However the same logic doesn't apply for Younis Khan who's clearly a test specialist. Or Hashim Amla who even at his peak wasn't a t20 player.

But I don't get why people are saying babar is an all format bat, let alone the best lol. He's not really a t20 or even a test bat. He is an odi bat though tbf.
 
In my opinion, it is wrong and dishonest to term Babar as an all format batsman.

He realistically isn’t a T20 batsman, even if he plays this format. Hassan Ali isn’t an all format bowler, he can’t bowl in T20s and ODI…even though he plays these formats for Pakistan.
Your opinion means nothing. Babar is on his way to become the Greatest Of All Time T20 batter.
 
That performance was truly exceptional, a rare occurrence. There's no denying Babar is an excellent player against teams like Nepal, Zimbabwe, and New Zealand's school team. His 150 against Nepal was indeed spectacular.
 
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Middling the ball well today Babar vs Ireland - lets see what strike rate he ends up with.
 
Babar should have done a better job at that small ground. The boundaries were like 50m straight but he was unable to play at a higher strike rate because his game towards the v-area in front was not there. Should have targeted the bowlers more. It was an okay inning for t20 standards, nothing great about it.
 
Babar Azam scored 42-ball 75 with the help of five maximums and six fours. With 39 scores of fifty-plus he now has the most scores of fifty and over (36 fifties + 3 centuries)
 
no bro.. boundaries are quite big even larger than those in the grounds of England for sure.
The bowler started bowling from the Irish boundary? I've played a bit of cricket in my school? Pretty sure this was a school size boundary.
 
Remind me who else has hit 4 sixes against Ireland in one over? If it's so easy everyone should've done it. I'll be waiting.
Did azam not hit 2? And finish the game? Give the fat man enough overs and he'd hit 5 lol.

Not my fault Babar hogs the god damn top order and has to compete with rizwan, Saim, chacha level type of players.
 
Did azam not hit 2? And finish the game? Give the fat man enough overs and he'd hit 5 lol.

Not my fault Babar hogs the god damn top order and has to compete with rizwan, Saim, chacha level lullei bazi frauds.
I didn't ask how many Azam Khan hit. I asked who else has hit Ireland for 4 sixes in an over?

You can include players from other teams. Thanks
 
I didn't ask how many Azam Khan hit. I asked who else has hit Ireland for 4 sixes in an over?

You can include players from other teams. Thanks
No one your highness.

I'm sorry that rizwan, Saim, chacha are so horrificly poor they make babar look good. And I'm sorry that Ireland is a minnow team that can't beat Pakistan, oh wait? They did in the 1st t20 lol.

Cheetah babar, its not like throughout this series he's needed to be dropped 2x to function.
 
No one your highness.

I'm sorry that rizwan, Saim, chacha are so horrificly poor they make babar look good. And I'm sorry that Ireland is a minnow team that can't beat Pakistan, oh wait? They did in the 1st t20 lol.

Cheetah babar, its not like throughout this series he's needed to be dropped 2x to function.
Babar haters always avoiding the question and talking about something irrelevant. When you are wrong just admit it and also it's weird for Pakistani fans to hate Babar. He is the one world class batter we have had after a long time that people consider to be among the best in the world but unthankful Pakistani fans always try to criticize him. You would think that we have produced number 1 ranked batsmen like India and Australia throughout the years. We deserve legends like Imran Farhat, Rameez Raja, Faisal Iqbal, Asad Shafiq and so on.
 
Babar haters always avoiding the question and talking about something irrelevant. When you are wrong just admit it and also it's weird for Pakistani fans to hate Babar. He is the one world class batter we have had after a long time that people consider to be among the best in the world but unthankful Pakistani fans always try to criticize him. You would think that we have produced number 1 ranked batsmen like India and Australia throughout the years. We deserve legends like Imran Farhat, Rameez Raja, Faisal Iqbal, Asad Shafiq and so on.
Not this crapola again.

A world class batter does not average 17 as an opener in a t20 world cup and fails miserably in an asia cup prior.

A world class batter does not flunk every game in asia cup excluding Nepal E azam lol.

A world class batter does not have literally every single opener from a top side or middle order surpass him in a world cup, India had their entire no 1 to no 5 score 100's with kohli highlighting and scoring 5 of them. NZ had a rachin superstar show.

A world class batsmen does not state that an onsong fakhar is superior to him.

A world class batsmen does not have another opening batsmen outshine him with a 210, 193, 180, 150+, a 60 ball 100 escape scores.

A world class batsmen does not have his avg drop by 9 points since 2022.

A world class batsmen doesn't have a strike rate of 129 in a t20.

A world class batsmen does not make 39 of 34 in a God damn semi final against the strongest Australian side.

A world class batsmen does not flunk an entire test series where his fellow buddy rizwan happened to surpass him.

A world class batsmen does not have 2 absolute newbies Abdullah and saud already have a test 200 score while this bozo was a hasaranga bunny in the same series.

A world class batsmen does not need to inflate his centuries by stat padding and bullying West Indies, zimbawae and 2nd string attacks 24/7 before dropping his avg to 33 against top quality sides like India who treat babar at full strength.

A world class batsmen does not claim that he struggles to hit 6's against Good sides, has stats showing he's medicore against spin, and claims he's only good for anchoring.

Need I go on?
 
Not this crapola again.

A world class batter does not average 17 as an opener in a t20 world cup and fails miserably in an asia cup prior.

A world class batter does not flunk every game in asia cup excluding Nepal E azam lol.

A world class batter does not have literally every single opener from a top side or middle order surpass him in a world cup, India had their entire no 1 to no 5 score 100's with kohli highlighting and scoring 5 of them. NZ had a rachin superstar show.

A world class batsmen does not state that an onsong fakhar is superior to him.

A world class batsmen does not have another opening batsmen outshine him with a 210, 193, 180, 150+, a 60 ball 100 escape scores.

A world class batsmen does not have his avg drop by 9 points since 2022.

A world class batsmen doesn't have a strike rate of 129 in a t20.

A world class batsmen does not make 39 of 34 in a God damn semi final against the strongest Australian side.

A world class batsmen does not flunk an entire test series where his fellow buddy rizwan happened to surpass him.

A world class batsmen does not have 2 absolute newbies Abdullah and saud already have a test 200 score while this bozo was a hasaranga bunny in the same series.

A world class batsmen does not need to inflate his centuries by stat padding and bullying West Indies, zimbawae and 2nd string attacks 24/7 before dropping his avg to 33 against top quality sides like India who treat babar at full strength.

A world class batsmen does not claim that he struggles to hit 6's against Good sides, has stats showing he's medicore against spin, and claims he's only good for anchoring.

Need I go on?
So I guess you don't consider Inzimam or Virat to be world class batters because they both fall in most of those categories. Your hatred is blind. You don't want a world class batter. No human can live up to what you want lol
 
So I guess you don't consider Inzimam or Virat to be world class batters because they both fall in most of those categories. Your hatred is blind. You don't want a world class batter. No human can live up to what you want lol
I never saw inzi bat so I can't comment. Now let's look at your ignorant claims.

- Did Kohli flunk every game in the asia cup 2023 against top sides? Because I recall him and Rahul giving Pakistan the biggest brutal beating the world has ever seen?

- Did kohli ever avh 17 in a t20 world cup? Ever?

- Did kohli have anyone surpass him in 2023 wc? I recall him making 5 centuries in total.

- Did kohli ever claim fakhar is superior to him onsong?

- does kohli have a strike rate of 129 in t20? Cause I recall him having it at 138 the last time i checked.

- Has any indian batsmen ever putshined kohli consistently throughout his career? Sure rohit and sone others have played a few games bwtter but consistently? Infact rizwan has consistently done better then babar in test and has done better then him in both avg and sr in 4 tournaments in a row now as well as multiple series putside of Pakistan besides jan NZ series.

- Did kohli make 39 of 34 and flunk Australia in a semi final like babar did?

- Did kohli have his avg drop by 8 to 10 points in 2 calneder years?

- Does kohli have a 200 on test? Cause I recall his HS being 254

- Has kohli inflated his centuries? Shall we check his records against Pakistan? Or top sides in wc 2023?

- Has kohli claimed he struggles to hit 6's or is a t20 anchorer?

Awe did i meet youre entire criteria? Whats your next excuse?
 
So I guess you don't consider Inzimam or Virat to be world class batters because they both fall in most of those categories. Your hatred is blind. You don't want a world class batter. No human can live up to what you want lol

Do you know how many MoS Kohli has in WT20s?

Kohli has just bossed a world cup.

Kohli avgs 50 plus in Australia.

Its laughable that you even bring Kohli into a discussion with Babar.
 
Nothing annoys me more than hearing white/non sub-continental commentators pronounce Babar Azam's name as: "Babar Aazam."

Just freaking learn to pronounce his name right my bros. He's only one of the best batters in the world. And it's not even an enunciation thing. Ian Bishop and Alan Wilkins know how to pronounce it right. Just learn from them.
 
Nothing annoys me more than hearing white/non sub-continental commentators pronounce Babar Azam's name as: "Babar Aazam."

Just freaking learn to pronounce his name right my bros. He's only one of the best batters in the world. And it's not even an enunciation thing. Ian Bishop and Alan Wilkins know how to pronounce it right. Just learn from them.
Bro it's just accents?
 
You have to consider everything when comparing players. Comparing Babar with Kohli is unfair but it goes both ways. Kohli had the freedom to play how he wants because of the support he had, he had the likes of Tendulkar, Dhoni, Rohit, Dhawan and co around him. Who did Babar have? Fakhar? Hafeez? Rizwan? Iftikhar? Can you compare these players? When Kohli failed everyone else bailed him out. When Babar failed we crumbled. Another thing to note is the "Home factor". Kohli has played a lot of his ICC events in his home conditions where players generally succeed while Babar has never played an ICC event at home. You want to make a fare comparison? Give Babar these things and then make the comparison

Secondly for those saying Babar doesn't deserve to be here what backup do you have? Have you seen what your aggressive youth can do? Who will replace him and his "low strike rate". Saim? Haris? Sharjeel? Azam? Go and look at their stats in international cricket and then imagine what will happen if we play with a squad of these players. Everyone wants the best there is but its important to look at the reality, which is that you don't have any half decent player who can replace Babar or even come close to his numbers and impact. Babar lost us a Final and a Semi Final? Take him out and you wont even reach a knockout match for quite a while. I would be the first to say Babar needs to go if we had players like Warner, Suryaumar, Maxwell, Buttler, Klassen or any player who can score regularly at a strike rate better than Babar. But we dont so accept the reality and stop blaming the one half decent batsman we have.

As for not performing on the biggest stage sure he has failed a bit of times but he has done well a lot as well. You cant expect him to be the star in every event. Its a team sport not an individual one. He failed in 2023 WC? He had a pretty good 2019 WC didnt he? Wasn't that the most runs ANY Pakistani has EVER scored in a 50 over World cup? He failed in the 2022 t20 WC? Wasn't he the top scorer in the 2021 t20 WC? No Pakistani has ever been the top scorer of an ICC event. Do you know why? Because no one has been good enough. We need to accept that. Was Kohli the top scorer in every World cup he played? 2011 ODI? 2015 ODI? 2019 ODI? 2012 T20? 2021 T20? Not comparing with Babar but hopefully you get my point.

As for the poster above with the World Class Batter posts, this list can be made for every Batsman :

Didnt Kohli "flunk" against every Big team in the 2011 and 2015 ODI World cups?
Didnt Kohli average around 15 in the 2011 ODI world cup if you take his Bangladesh/West indies innings away?
Didnt Kohli get carried in the 2011 and 2015 ODI world cups? 2021 T20 WC? Go look at the list of players who out scored him.
Didn't Kohli have scores of 24(33), 9(21), 35(49), 3(8), 1(11), 1(6) in his first 6 ODI WC knockouts?
Didn't Kohli have a 3 year slump where he couldn't score a hundred and had his average drop significantly?

The objective is not to show Kohli's stats here but if your trying to say that Only Babar fails and has bad stats then I'm sorry but you are wrong. Everyone fails but we just love to put down the only players we have for the sake of it.
 
What an inning it was from the King today. Too good. I am still sad that he threw is wicket away, he has very less notouts to show it to avg merchants.
 
Not this crapola again.

A world class batter does not average 17 as an opener in a t20 world cup and fails miserably in an asia cup prior.

A world class batter does not flunk every game in asia cup excluding Nepal E azam lol.

A world class batter does not have literally every single opener from a top side or middle order surpass him in a world cup, India had their entire no 1 to no 5 score 100's with kohli highlighting and scoring 5 of them. NZ had a rachin superstar show.

A world class batsmen does not state that an onsong fakhar is superior to him.

A world class batsmen does not have another opening batsmen outshine him with a 210, 193, 180, 150+, a 60 ball 100 escape scores.

A world class batsmen does not have his avg drop by 9 points since 2022.

A world class batsmen doesn't have a strike rate of 129 in a t20.

A world class batsmen does not make 39 of 34 in a God damn semi final against the strongest Australian side.

A world class batsmen does not flunk an entire test series where his fellow buddy rizwan happened to surpass him.

A world class batsmen does not have 2 absolute newbies Abdullah and saud already have a test 200 score while this bozo was a hasaranga bunny in the same series.

A world class batsmen does not need to inflate his centuries by stat padding and bullying West Indies, zimbawae and 2nd string attacks 24/7 before dropping his avg to 33 against top quality sides like India who treat babar at full strength.

A world class batsmen does not claim that he struggles to hit 6's against Good sides, has stats showing he's medicore against spin, and claims he's only good for anchoring.

Need I go on?
You haven’t seen Inzimam. You obviously haven’t seen batsman from Pakistan before so you think batsmen like Babar come every day. If you had seen cricket you’d know how lucky we are to have him. Also this weird cherry-picking is the lamest argument I’ve ever seen. I can also come up with obscure things that Babar has done that Kohli hasn’t but I won’t waste my time doing that.

But here let me show you some random facts that don’t prove anything like you did

Babar has more 50s than Kohli in the same number of T20s.

Kohli praises Sharma like Babar praised Fakhar. That doesn’t mean Sharma is better. Most decent and humble players do that

Rohit and maybe Dhawan have played better than him in some tournaments doesn’t mean they are better players and Kohli is not world class

Babar had more runs and a better average in the 2019 ODI WC. Another obscure fact. Doesn’t mean one player is better than the other.

In 2014 Kohli averaged 13.4 in 10 test innings vs. England.

Kohli averages 27 in ICC ODI knockouts and 30 in the World test championship. Kohli didn’t score a century for 1022 days that’s almost 3 years! Does that mean he is not world class . Of course not!

There were years Babar was better than Kohli but doesn’t mean he is better . Another obscure fact.

And also I was not comparing Kohli and Babar. Babar has long way to go in his career and Kohli is towards the end. They can’t and shouldn’t be compared at this stage. The point was no one can meet all your weird standards and lot of all time greats won’t.

Say whatever you want . Babar haters can cherry-pick but either way everyone knows it’s clutching at straws.
 
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Babar fans can’t stomach anything good he does even when everyone is failing including their saviors like Saim.
 
You have to consider everything when comparing players. Comparing Babar with Kohli is unfair but it goes both ways. Kohli had the freedom to play how he wants because of the support he had, he had the likes of Tendulkar, Dhoni, Rohit, Dhawan and co around him. Who did Babar have? Fakhar? Hafeez? Rizwan? Iftikhar? Can you compare these players? When Kohli failed everyone else bailed him out. When Babar failed we crumbled. Another thing to note is the "Home factor". Kohli has played a lot of his ICC events in his home conditions where players generally succeed while Babar has never played an ICC event at home. You want to make a fare comparison? Give Babar these things and then make the comparison

Secondly for those saying Babar doesn't deserve to be here what backup do you have? Have you seen what your aggressive youth can do? Who will replace him and his "low strike rate". Saim? Haris? Sharjeel? Azam? Go and look at their stats in international cricket and then imagine what will happen if we play with a squad of these players. Everyone wants the best there is but its important to look at the reality, which is that you don't have any half decent player who can replace Babar or even come close to his numbers and impact. Babar lost us a Final and a Semi Final? Take him out and you wont even reach a knockout match for quite a while. I would be the first to say Babar needs to go if we had players like Warner, Suryaumar, Maxwell, Buttler, Klassen or any player who can score regularly at a strike rate better than Babar. But we dont so accept the reality and stop blaming the one half decent batsman we have.

As for not performing on the biggest stage sure he has failed a bit of times but he has done well a lot as well. You cant expect him to be the star in every event. Its a team sport not an individual one. He failed in 2023 WC? He had a pretty good 2019 WC didnt he? Wasn't that the most runs ANY Pakistani has EVER scored in a 50 over World cup? He failed in the 2022 t20 WC? Wasn't he the top scorer in the 2021 t20 WC? No Pakistani has ever been the top scorer of an ICC event. Do you know why? Because no one has been good enough. We need to accept that. Was Kohli the top scorer in every World cup he played? 2011 ODI? 2015 ODI? 2019 ODI? 2012 T20? 2021 T20? Not comparing with Babar but hopefully you get my point.

As for the poster above with the World Class Batter posts, this list can be made for every Batsman :

Didnt Kohli "flunk" against every Big team in the 2011 and 2015 ODI World cups?
Didnt Kohli average around 15 in the 2011 ODI world cup if you take his Bangladesh/West indies innings away?
Didnt Kohli get carried in the 2011 and 2015 ODI world cups? 2021 T20 WC? Go look at the list of players who out scored him.
Didn't Kohli have scores of 24(33), 9(21), 35(49), 3(8), 1(11), 1(6) in his first 6 ODI WC knockouts?
Didn't Kohli have a 3 year slump where he couldn't score a hundred and had his average drop significantly?

The objective is not to show Kohli's stats here but if your trying to say that Only Babar fails and has bad stats then I'm sorry but you are wrong. Everyone fails but we just love to put down the only players we have for the sake of it.
Great post. Sounds like you watch cricket and understand it.
 
Whenever Babar is down and out, anti-Babar people try to cash on his poor form, Babar plays an inning that is still a dream for many. Now people will say that he smashed a minnow? But same people were criticising babar saying that he could not even play the Irish bowlers etc etc but now he smashed them for fun again.

The reality is, that human nature it is, we will never get satisfied. Babar played a brilliant inning, probably better than most of his innings in his career where he scored less than 70-80 runs.
 
Whenever Babar is down and out, anti-Babar people try to cash on his poor form, Babar plays an inning that is still a dream for many. Now people will say that he smashed a minnow? But same people were criticising babar saying that he could not even play the Irish bowlers etc etc but now he smashed them for fun again.

The reality is, that human nature it is, we will never get satisfied. Babar played a brilliant inning, probably better than most of his innings in his career where he scored less than 70-80 runs.
Agreed. 100%
 
I am suprised people are excited at Babar thrashing Ireland.

Rizwan did the same and I predicted it.

We already know Babar can play against Namibia, Ireland, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Nepal with venom.

Getting excited at this performance is quite funny even from a fan point of view
 
I am suprised people are excited at Babar thrashing Ireland.

Rizwan did the same and I predicted it.

We already know Babar can play against Namibia, Ireland, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Nepal with venom.

Getting excited at this performance is quite funny even from a fan point of view
I guess we can just ignore that he averages 64 against Australia, 49 against England, 42 against NZ, 49 against WI and 38 vs. SA

Also out of his 117 T20s he has played only 7 matches in total vs smaller nations i.e. Hong Kong , Ireland, Namibia, Netherlands and Scotland. To further debunk this myth he only played well against Namibia and Scotland which was better than his overall average.

So 111 of his matches are versus stronger opponents. Out of this 8 are Bangladesh (average 28), 2 are Afghanistan (average 25) and 7 are Zimbabwe (average 39).

This debunks this dumb and baseless narrative that he bashes minnows only. His record is actually not that great against them.
 
Azhar Mahmood and Yasir Hameed would out perform Babar if they played against the same opposition and pitches.

Every one out there has one or two great knocks.

I don’t get the hype.

He’s a good ODI batter but just a weak and cowardly individual, after all his chalakiyan, he has worked himself into a shoot and therefore can’t handle the pressure of the big stage.
 
I am suprised people are excited at Babar thrashing Ireland.

Rizwan did the same and I predicted it.

We already know Babar can play against Namibia, Ireland, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Nepal with venom.

Getting excited at this performance is quite funny even from a fan point of view
You're suprised or you're not suprised? Was that a typo?

Edit: Om asking because people do bharamgra anytime Babar performs regardless if the team I'd Nepal or Ireland.
 
He has been very impactless batsman. It's about time he plays some memorable knocks. I know, I know fans will pull grand total of 1-2 knocks in his 8-9 years long career and even there some one else from Pakistan may have played the main role and he may have played supporting role. Or some knocks where game was done and dusted and he scored some runs.

Non-sense about average this or that is just meanigless. Play some gun knocks in world cups, play some some gun knocks in away test series, play some gun knocks in chasing big scores.

Stamp your athority some how. Yeah, it's clear that he is not a top tier batsman, but got to play some good knocks. He has at least that much ability. I meant good knocks agaisnt good teams and not those C sides.

I thought chasing 119 runs was right down his alley. Anyway, he needs to start scoring more meaningful runs.Today's score was not hard and others should have also won it for Pakistan.
 
A great batsman who has already made a huge name for himself and whose best years are still ahead of him.

He is 29, and one of the few Pakistani players whose age is genuine. 30-34 will be a golden period for him.

He has had a 18 month dip but name one batsman who hasn’t had such a dip in his career?
 
A great batsman who has already made a huge name for himself and whose best years are still ahead of him.

He is 29, and one of the few Pakistani players whose age is genuine. 30-34 will be a golden period for him.

He has had a 18 month dip but name one batsman who hasn’t had such a dip in his career?
What about falling in every single big tournament across formats - 2022 Asia cup, 2022 wc, 2023 Asia cup, 2023 wc and the 2024 Asia cup. Also failed in the Australia series.

Even in his best ever tournament in 2021, he failed in the semis
 
What about falling in every single big tournament across formats - 2022 Asia cup, 2022 wc, 2023 Asia cup, 2023 wc and the 2024 Asia cup. Also failed in the Australia series.

Even in his best ever tournament in 2021, he failed in the semis
It is Babar’s bad luck that there have been a dozen tournaments in the last two years, which means his poor form has been highlighted and magnified more than it would have otherwise.

Kohli forgot how to hold a bat for two years between 2020 and 2021, now imagine if there were 4-5 tournaments in that period.

Babar was the top scorer of the 2021 World Cup. It is not a problem if he failed in the semifinal. Even if he lives for a 100 years he can’t bottle as many semifinals as Kohli has in his career.
 
It is Babar’s bad luck that there have been a dozen tournaments in the last two years, which means his poor form has been highlighted and magnified more than it would have otherwise.

Kohli forgot how to hold a bat for two years between 2020 and 2021, now imagine if there were 4-5 tournaments in that period.

Babar was the top scorer of the 2021 World Cup. It is not a problem if he failed in the semifinal. Even if he lives for a 100 years he can’t bottle as many semifinals as Kohli has in his career.

Congratulations! I am glad you have finally yielded to Babar's status as the premier batsman of his age.

This shows you have enough humility to acknowledge your mistakes.
 
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He has failed in every single icc tournament and asia cup.

He has only played one good knock in his career that was against New Zealand.Apart from that knock he really has nothing to show.

He is the most impact less batsman in the world.He is the king of Zimbabwe and C teams
He is truly the king the Babar.
 
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It is Babar’s bad luck that there have been a dozen tournaments in the last two years, which means his poor form has been highlighted and magnified more than it would have otherwise.

Kohli forgot how to hold a bat for two years between 2020 and 2021, now imagine if there were 4-5 tournaments in that period.

Babar was the top scorer of the 2021 World Cup. It is not a problem if he failed in the semifinal. Even if he lives for a 100 years he can’t bottle as many semifinals as Kohli has in his career.
Very true Kohli has bottled lotta semis because India reached so many, are you banking on PCT no reaching as many?
Maybe I should show you your posts on Kohli CT 2013 knock and WC final 2011 Knock, as a reminder lol
 
Very true Kohli has bottled lotta semis because India reached so many, are you banking on PCT no reaching as many?
Maybe I should show you your posts on Kohli CT 2013 knock and WC final 2011 Knock, as a reminder lol
Both were good knocks, but they have nothing to do with all the semifinals that he has bottled in his career.

Kohli himself is greatly responsible for India not winning anything in white ball cricket post 2013.

With Kohli, India would still make the semifinals more often than not because they have a lot of batting resources, so his impact on the Indian team in terms of actual success is up for debate.
 
One of the finest knocks under pressure from one of the best in the business.

Under pressure? While chasing a target with a required run rate below 5 and a strike rate of 80? If he had won singlehandedly, it would have been considered his best innings. Actually, that hundred was neither under pressure nor his finest knock. It may be his best in his career, but I doubt that too. Haris Sohail scored 68 runs with a strike rate of 90 in the same innings.
 
He is 29, and one of the few Pakistani players whose age is genuine. 30-34 will be a golden period for him.
Earlier, you used to compare Babar with Kohli and a few other batsmen and said that "at age 25, many players made headlines and scored hundreds in SENA countries, but Babar has yet to prove himself"..bla blah..
Now, you're saying that 30-34 will be a golden period for Babar.
 
Babar has played 3 important knocks in his career

The 100 vs NZ in 2019 but it lead to nothing. Harish played a great hand that day too. Pak got knocked out in the groups while the kiwis reached the finals so it was pretty meaningless

The 196 vs Aus, but it came on a road and lead to a series loss at home. Would have been great if it resulted in a win or came abroad

The 68 vs Ind in 2021, but even then Shaheen and Rizwan outperformed him.
 
Under pressure? While chasing a target with a required run rate below 5 and a strike rate of 80? If he had won singlehandedly, it would have been considered his best innings. Actually, that hundred was neither under pressure nor his finest knock. It may be his best in his career, but I doubt that too. Haris Sohail scored 68 runs with a strike rate of 90 in the same innings.
They were difficult batting conditions with the ball moving around, and New Zealand in 2019 was probably the most dangerous bowling unit in such conditions.

Your Indian top order fell like nine pins in similar conditions vs New Zealand in the semifinal.

Pakistan won that match because they didn’t lose wickets in the first 20 overs and Babar was the main reason behind it.

In those conditions, you needed someone to bat through and he managed that.

Haris did what the likes of Jadeja did for India in the semifinal and Jadeja would have taken India home if only Rohit, Rahul or Kohli showed the technique and temperament that Babar did vs the same bowlers.
 
Earlier, you used to compare Babar with Kohli and a few other batsmen and said that "at age 25, many players made headlines and scored hundreds in SENA countries, but Babar has yet to prove himself"..bla blah..
Now, you're saying that 30-34 will be a golden period for Babar.
Yes because I expect Babar to achieve those things in the coming years. He has already done really well considering the fact that Pakistan has a poor batting culture and he had average batsmen to share the dressing room with (except Younis who was world class in Tests only) while the likes of Kohli shared the dressing room with Tendulkar, Dravid, Sehwag etc.
 
They were difficult batting conditions with the ball moving around, and New Zealand in 2019 was probably the most dangerous bowling unit in such conditions.

Your Indian top order fell like nine pins in similar conditions vs New Zealand in the semifinal.

Pakistan won that match because they didn’t lose wickets in the first 20 overs and Babar was the main reason behind it.

In those conditions, you needed someone to bat through and he managed that.

Haris did what the likes of Jadeja did for India in the semifinal and Jadeja would have taken India home if only Rohit, Rahul or Kohli showed the technique and temperament that Babar did vs the same bowlers.
The pitch Pakistan played on was not as difficult as the one India played on against New Zealand in the semifinals, as you are trying to claim. The India vs. New Zealand match was moved to the next day due to rain, and India batted in much more difficult conditions compared to New Zealand, but I am not saying that's an excuse. Anyhow, you have already fixed something in your mind, so please continue.
 
I have the same authority as a guy in Peshwar. We are fans discussing the game, no one is an authority and there's no need to get triggered
Then before making blanket statements, don’t forget to add “in my opinion” so that you don’t get called out
 
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Then before making blanket statements, don’t forget to add “in my opinion” so that you don’t get called out
It's obviously my opinion and not Gavaskar's or Sehwag's. Why would I post someone else's opinion, that goes without saying
 
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I would tag all posters Mamoon argued all these years praising Kohli against Babar, so they can see Mamoon has finally returned home.
 
The pitch Pakistan played on was not as difficult as the one India played on against New Zealand in the semifinals, as you are trying to claim. The India vs. New Zealand match was moved to the next day due to rain, and India batted in much more difficult conditions compared to New Zealand, but I am not saying that's an excuse. Anyhow, you have already fixed something in your mind, so please continue.
The conditions weren’t easy for batting especially with the new ball because the ball swung. Both innings followed the same pattern and this is why they both scored quick runs in the second half of the innings.

New Zealand first 25 overs: 79/4
Last 25 overs: 158/2

Pakistan first 25 overs: 110/3
Last 24.1 overs: 131/1

The real difference between the two sides was no one in the New Zealand top 5 could score a 50, and this is what led to them losing more wickets in Pakistan, hence the lower scoring rate.

The conditions for the reserve semifinal day were similar and this is why the Indian innings followed a similar pattern.

India first 25 overs: 77/5
Last 23.3 overs (until Dhoni was there) 139/2

Jadeja & Dhoni did their best to salvage the situation but they were left with too much to do, and they were let down by the Rohit, Rahul and Kohli who collectively scored 3 runs in similar conditions where Babar stood firm vs the same attack.

The Indian top-order once again showed how rubbish their technique is vs the moving ball especially when their minds are clouded under pressure.

Therefore, please give credit where it is due. It doesn’t impact Babar or Pakistani fans or anyone else because it is history, but it still makes you look small.

It was a terrific innings and a proper match-winning effort, and I will not let anyone discredit that innings or attempt to downplay it.
 
Hugely disappointing tournaments from Babar the batter since 2022.

Hope he can find the right form and mindset to deliver in the big events in the coming years. A player like him shouldn't be struggling like this in big events. That's all I can say.
 
Babar has played 3 important knocks in his career

The 100 vs NZ in 2019 but it lead to nothing. Harish played a great hand that day too. Pak got knocked out in the groups while the kiwis reached the finals so it was pretty meaningless

The 196 vs Aus, but it came on a road and lead to a series loss at home. Would have been great if it resulted in a win or came abroad

The 68 vs Ind in 2021, but even then Shaheen and Rizwan outperformed him.
I think his one standout knock was the 60 odd he scored in the Test where he hit Dale Steyn for so many boundaries. That’s one hell of an innings and I rate him for that. Regardless of the outcome of the match or whether Steyn was a spent force by then.

Besides that, the other innings are all good/decent.

The T20 opening innings should all be chalked off anyways. He’s a fraud T20 opener
 
This thread has not aged well. Babar has regressed big time since this thread. He can still come back to the top but doesn’t seem like he is worried for his place I. The team to even work harder.
 
This thread has not aged well. Babar has regressed big time since this thread. He can still come back to the top but doesn’t seem like he is worried for his place I. The team to even work harder.

It is hard to get up to train when you sleep in silk sheets. Babar has not had the same work ethic that he did in the first few years of his career. It doesn't even bother him that he has failed to win any big match of significance for Pakistan for ages now and the team is habitually losing under his leadership.
 
It is hard to get up to train when you sleep in silk sheets. Babar has not had the same work ethic that he did in the first few years of his career. It doesn't even bother him that he has failed to win any big match of significance for Pakistan for ages now and the team is habitually losing under his leadership.

The other thing to ad is he is now looking for shortcuts into the wrong things now i.e. lobbying with higher powers, political connections to snatch captaincy from his team mates, threatening team mates to tow the line or risk being kicked out of the team, promising incentives, perks for signing up with his agent e.t.c. Ramiz created a monster by giving him so much authority, free hand i.e. select whoever you want, no questions asked.
 
Not the best all-format batter atm. His form has declined too much. ODIs yes, he is still brilliant but in T20s and test, he still need to find his feet again.
 
I would tag all posters Mamoon argued all these years praising Kohli against Babar, so they can see Mamoon has finally returned home.
One sided arguments are boring. As a contrarian, he believes.......sorry....I mean to say that that good times bring in fans, but it is during the bad times that true fans are revealed. Mamoon is a dedicated fan of Babar, regardless of the circumstances.
 
A great batsman who has already made a huge name for himself and whose best years are still ahead of him.

He is 29, and one of the few Pakistani players whose age is genuine. 30-34 will be a golden period for him.

He has had a 18 month dip but name one batsman who hasn’t had such a dip in his career?
Babar's golden years were from 2016-2021 and in these golden years he was nothing more then an accumulative wall.

Similar to Misbah(albeit he's a better batsmen then Misbah), all his innings have been accumulative excluding Minnow or c string bashing. Their isn't one tournament where he's actually bullied and butchered teams and made a solid name for himself.

Every single one of his innings against top sides involves playing like Misbah which is basically making 50 of 75 at best or getting out for a low score. His fans use the pitch pitch nonsense as a pure excuse to justify it. And No Labu's innings in the final was not good in the same way KL Rahul innings wasn't good. Travis carried and took the side home. Labu just deserves credit for hanging in their, you're making it seem as if labu was the one who took the side home.
 
Babar's golden years were from 2016-2021 and in these golden years he was nothing more then an accumulative wall.

Similar to Misbah(albeit he's a better batsmen then Misbah), all his innings have been accumulative excluding Minnow or c string bashing. Their isn't one tournament where he's actually bullied and butchered teams and made a solid name for himself.

Every single one of his innings against top sides involves playing like Misbah which is basically making 50 of 75 at best or getting out for a low score. His fans use the pitch pitch nonsense as a pure excuse to justify it. And No Labu's innings in the final was not good in the same way KL Rahul innings wasn't good. Travis carried and took the side home. Labu just deserves credit for hanging in their, you're making it seem as if labu was the one who took the side home.
No quality, orthodox batsman peaks between 22-27 and then declines. It doesn’t happen.

Batsmen in their late 20s and early 30s often go through slumps and fans can get impatient and short-sighted and start believing that it is terminal decline.

Babar is not the first or the last batsman to go through this and induce similar fan reactions. A lot of people thought Kohli was done by 2020-2021, Root was done by 2019-2020, Tendulkar was done by 2005-2007, and of course there are several other examples.

Before someone gets triggered at Babar being juxtaposed with Kohli, Root and Tendulkar etc., that is not the point - the point is that Babar is a very good batsman with an orthodox way of batting & such batsmen don’t decline in their late 20s and early 30s.

Babar over the last 18 months or so has been below his best form but almost every significant batsman, perhaps barring Don Bradman, has gone through such a period in his career and they have come out of it.

There is no need to be dramatic about Babar. He is under the scanner because of captaincy as well, but whether he stays as captain or resigns/gets sacked, he will score lots of runs in the coming years as he enters his natural peak.

As far as Labuschagne is concerned, the value of his knock was nothing like Rahul’s who had no value.

Just because both were half-centuries at low SRs it doesn’t mean that they were similar because how good or bad your innings is has nothing to do with your SR in isolation but everything do with your innings within the context of the game.

A high SR innings isn’t always good and a low SR innings isn’t always bad.

Batting is all about partnerships. No one takes anyone home on his own. It is all about two batsmen playing their roles. Even a Glen Maxwell needed a Pat Cummins vs Afghanistan.

If hanging in was that easy, Warner, Marsh and Smith would have hung on but they couldn’t.

Without Labuachagne shutting up shop on India, it would have been extremely difficult for Head to get Australia over the line.

Similarly, without Head taking on the bowlers, it would have been extremely difficult for Labuschagne to exert pressure on India.

Australia won because both Head and Labuschagne played their roles to perfection.
 
No quality, orthodox batsman peaks between 22-27 and then declines. It doesn’t happen.

Batsmen in their late 20s and early 30s often go through slumps and fans can get impatient and short-sighted and start believing that it is terminal decline.

Babar is not the first or the last batsman to go through this and induce similar fan reactions. A lot of people thought Kohli was done by 2020-2021, Root was done by 2019-2020, Tendulkar was done by 2005-2007, and of course there are several other examples.

Before someone gets triggered at Babar being juxtaposed with Kohli, Root and Tendulkar etc., that is not the point - the point is that Babar is a very good batsman with an orthodox way of batting & such batsmen don’t decline in their late 20s and early 30s.

Babar over the last 18 months or so has been below his best form but almost every significant batsman, perhaps barring Don Bradman, has gone through such a period in his career and they have come out of it.

There is no need to be dramatic about Babar. He is under the scanner because of captaincy as well, but whether he stays as captain or resigns/gets sacked, he will score lots of runs in the coming years as he enters his natural peak.

As far as Labuschagne is concerned, the value of his knock was nothing like Rahul’s who had no value.

Just because both were half-centuries at low SRs it doesn’t mean that they were similar because how good or bad your innings is has nothing to do with your SR in isolation but everything do with your innings within the context of the game.

A high SR innings isn’t always good and a low SR innings isn’t always bad.

Batting is all about partnerships. No one takes anyone home on his own. It is all about two batsmen playing their roles. Even a Glen Maxwell needed a Pat Cummins vs Afghanistan.

If hanging in was that easy, Warner, Marsh and Smith would have hung on but they couldn’t.

Without Labuachagne shutting up shop on India, it would have been extremely difficult for Head to get Australia over the line.

Similarly, without Head taking on the bowlers, it would have been extremely difficult for Labuschagne to exert pressure on India.

Australia won because both Head and Labuschagne played their roles to perfection.
Except babar was never quality. His competiton isn't Pakistan, he's competing with the rest of the planet and as an opener in t20 and a top order I'm odi he's nowhere close to quality.

Quality is measurement metric, it doesn't stand on its own. Ask yourself if babar as a t20 opener is superior to butler, Quinton, Travis, Gurbaz and various others who have consistently been outperforming him.

Bangladeshi players top scored in 2016 wc, that doesn't mean you'd keep them, 2021 isn't a metric. Babar 39 of 34 in SF would have been under scrutiny had falhar not did what he did. Babar left us at 70 in the first 10?

Babar technique wise is very very very poor on the backfoot and always has been. He'll keep failing from here on out with the exception of c string series and maybe in CT 2025 as that'll be played in Pakistan and Pakistan will have the Indian advantage of 2023 where they could curate pitches.

So babar would carry his gaddafi and pindi exploits due to curating pitches with no grass and bully sides like he did against Nepal.

Otherwise he's failing non stop in every thing from here on out.

He peaked from 2016-2021. He was always a marketing propaganda for quality as people wrongfully and still now assume that he'd be pakistan's answer to their batting woes and he hasn't been, he's been in the same mould as hafeez, Haris sohail type batters but even less impactful albeit more consistent in scoring.
 
No quality, orthodox batsman peaks between 22-27 and then declines. It doesn’t happen.

Batsmen in their late 20s and early 30s often go through slumps and fans can get impatient and short-sighted and start believing that it is terminal decline.

Babar is not the first or the last batsman to go through this and induce similar fan reactions. A lot of people thought Kohli was done by 2020-2021, Root was done by 2019-2020, Tendulkar was done by 2005-2007, and of course there are several other examples.

Before someone gets triggered at Babar being juxtaposed with Kohli, Root and Tendulkar etc., that is not the point - the point is that Babar is a very good batsman with an orthodox way of batting & such batsmen don’t decline in their late 20s and early 30s.

Babar over the last 18 months or so has been below his best form but almost every significant batsman, perhaps barring Don Bradman, has gone through such a period in his career and they have come out of it.

There is no need to be dramatic about Babar. He is under the scanner because of captaincy as well, but whether he stays as captain or resigns/gets sacked, he will score lots of runs in the coming years as he enters his natural peak.

As far as Labuschagne is concerned, the value of his knock was nothing like Rahul’s who had no value.

Just because both were half-centuries at low SRs it doesn’t mean that they were similar because how good or bad your innings is has nothing to do with your SR in isolation but everything do with your innings within the context of the game.

A high SR innings isn’t always good and a low SR innings isn’t always bad.

Batting is all about partnerships. No one takes anyone home on his own. It is all about two batsmen playing their roles. Even a Glen Maxwell needed a Pat Cummins vs Afghanistan.

If hanging in was that easy, Warner, Marsh and Smith would have hung on but they couldn’t.

Without Labuachagne shutting up shop on India, it would have been extremely difficult for Head to get Australia over the line.

Similarly, without Head taking on the bowlers, it would have been extremely difficult for Labuschagne to exert pressure on India.

Australia won because both Head and Labuschagne played their roles to perfection.
Damn this is good, especially this para.

Before someone gets triggered at Babar being juxtaposed with Kohli, Root and Tendulkar etc., that is not the point - the point is that Babar is a very good batsman with an orthodox way of batting & such batsmen don’t decline in their late 20s and early 30s.

That is what makes you "Lambi race ka ghora" and this is also essential to be a top notch all format batter that certainly Babar is. Despite his slight decline, he still is amongst top 3 highest run scorers across the globe.
 
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