[VIDEOS] Is Jasprit Bumrah overrated in ODIs?

[Pacy with wisdom]

You can scoff all you want. Akram ain't doing squat on these dead pitches. Boult is a great exponent of the new ball. Want to see his record in Australia?

These flat pitches just aren't conducive for fast bowling.

Blame Australia for producing these dreadful pitches on purpose. They are smart though. That's the way to beat India. Win the toss and bat them out of the game.

When mediocre piece of trash pie chucking fodders are Able to contain and play well in these pitches because they are medium fast bowlers then you know this is a trash pitch.

The fact that you are comparing Boult with Wasim really shows how much you know about his bowling skillset.
Give peak Wasim the flattest road and he will still produce magic.
Go watch his exploits on Asian pitches if you want to see what he used to do to the best in flat conditions.

 

[Kingpin786]

You can scoff all you want. Akram ain't doing squat on these dead pitches. Boult is a great exponent of the new ball. Want to see his record in Australia?

These flat pitches just aren't conducive for fast bowling.

Blame Australia for producing these dreadful pitches on purpose. They are smart though. That's the way to beat India. Win the toss and bat them out of the game.

When mediocre piece of trash pie chucking fodders are Able to contain and play well in these pitches because they are medium fast bowlers then you know this is a trash pitch.

 

[JibranAnsari]

trent boult has a very poor economy rate of 5.14 in australia.

 

[tyron_woodley]

The fact that you are comparing Boult with Wasim really shows how much you know about his bowling skillset.
Give peak Wasim the flattest road and he will still produce magic.
Go watch his exploits on Asian pitches if you want to see what he used to do to the best in flat conditions.

Asian pitches is not the same as Australian pitches bro. He ain't doing it here in Australia. When has he done it in Australia? On such wickets? Remember it's 2 new balls rule now.

 

[tyron_woodley]

trent boult has a very poor economy rate of 5.14 in australia.

He never played well when Smith and Warner were part of the team.

 

[Gullycricket]

Indians blaming pitches is so funny. They forget they were pioneers of these flat pitches. Need I remind of Rajkot or past ODI series in India like 2013-14. Crying about pitches since they don't have the power game. Indian team is famous for doctoring pitches like Nagpur , Pune during SA and Aus series. So stop making excuses for ur shooperstars

 

[Mesozoic]

Indians blaming pitches is so funny. They forget they were pioneers of these flat pitches. Need I remind of Rajkot or past ODI series in India like 2013-14. Crying about pitches since they don't have the power game. Indian team is famous for doctoring pitches like Nagpur , Pune during SA and Aus series. So stop making excuses for ur shooperstars

Why so salty? No-one is "blaming" the pitches. Almost every country "doctors" wickets to suit their playing style. South Africans do that when SC teams tour. Did you see the Wanderers wicket when India last toured? Was an absolute minefield.

Didn't you see the NZ green mambas in the last few years? Why single out only India?

Even Mitchell Starc got thrashed. No point screeching about the Bumrahs and the sainis getting whacked by an ATG Aussie top 3.

 

[iiqbal]

He have Strange Action and was difficult to judge , India never have any good bowler. Indian Fast Bowling is crap.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Indians blaming pitches is so funny. They forget they were pioneers of these flat pitches. Need I remind of Rajkot or past ODI series in India like 2013-14. Crying about pitches since they don't have the power game. Indian team is famous for doctoring pitches like Nagpur , Pune during SA and Aus series. So stop making excuses for ur shooperstars

Oh shut it. Saffers and Aussies are ekings of doctoring pitches. We actually produce very fair pitches. The 2015 pitches was a response to saffers deliberately preparing dangerous bouncy tracks in 2013.

They did the same again in 2018 and it almost backfired on them had they lost the tosses, you would be looking at 3 0 to India.

We ain't complaining about pitches beta.
We are just saying that whoever gets to bat first on these flat Pattas have a huge advantage. Also batting under the lights is a lot harder buddy.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Some daft people over here claiming that Trent Boult is better than Akram, mind your words on such public forums, as it makes you seem incompetent. If Trent Boult was truly better than Akram, there wouldn't be such high praise as Akram being the best-left arm bowler in history. Till Trent Boult can take that title from him, there is no comparison between the two. Comparing a stick to a club.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Asian pitches is not the same as Australian pitches bro. He ain't doing it here in Australia. When has he done it in Australia? On such wickets? Remember it's 2 new balls rule now.

Go visit the youTube section and search his performances in Australia from 1985 to 1997.

The 1989 series is when he became a star and commentators started calling him the best bowler they had seen in years.

He won the 1997 one day tri series on the back of his own performances there.

Freaking, his iconic world cup performances were also in Australia.

Dont know where you have been dude, but the world also existed before you were born.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Go visit the youTube section and search his performances in Australia from 1985 to 1997.

The 1989 series is when he became a star and commentators started calling him the best bowler they had seen in years.

He won the 1997 one day tri series on the back of his own performances there.

Freaking, his iconic world cup performances were also in Australia.

Dont know where you have been dude, but the world also existed before you were born.

He never faced true flat track beasts like Warner and Smith. Rules completely favour batsmen now. Much harder to excel for even Wasim. I have seen him play at his best and no one is saying he isn't great. I also never said that Boult is as good as Wasim.
It would be harder in the current era with 2 new balls etc. Also drs. No biased umpires etc.
The way Smith plays shots so effortlessly in Australia is just astounding. Bowlers din't even bowl badly. He was just in the zone and there was nothing any bowler from any era could do to smithy.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

He never faced true flat track beasts like Warner and Smith. Rules completely favour batsmen now. Much harder to excel for even Wasim. I have seen him play at his best and no one is saying he isn't great. I also never said that Boult is as good as Wasim.
It would be harder in the current era with 2 new balls etc. Also drs. No biased umpires etc.
The way Smith plays shots so effortlessly in Australia is just astounding. Bowlers din't even bowl badly. He was just in the zone and there was nothing any bowler from any era could do to smithy.

I’m sorry brother but even Smith has never faced a bowler of Wasim’s caliber. You’re a sensible poster, you know this.

 

[Saurav]

Because I watched that game.

Bumrah was very hard to hit in the final 10 overs. In that game, particularly, he executed death overs bowling brilliantly. Because of that, Morgan, Root, Buttler and Stokes all went after Shami and other bowlers and Shami managed to get those wickets.

Nothing against Shami, he is obviously more known for his wicket taking ability than for death overs bowling but he was helped by Bumrah in that game. If not for that bowling by Bumrah, England would have posted 360 runs rather than 335.

I watched it too. Shami had gotten Morgan Bairstow even before death overs started.He got them around 30-35 over period

If not for these wickets,400 was on and death bowling would have been tougher too

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

He never faced true flat track beasts like Warner and Smith. Rules completely favour batsmen now. Much harder to excel for even Wasim. I have seen him play at his best and no one is saying he isn't great. I also never said that Boult is as good as Wasim.
It would be harder in the current era with 2 new balls etc. Also drs. No biased umpires etc.
The way Smith plays shots so effortlessly in Australia is just astounding. Bowlers din't even bowl badly. He was just in the zone and there was nothing any bowler from any era could do to smithy.

You are just hell-bent to somehow discredit past era bowling performances and have a serious recency bias.
By the way, the 1992 world cup was played with two new balls, and Wasim still found a way to work his magic.
Biased umpiring? Really? The drs not being there worked both ways.

I have seen so many decisions not going the bowler's way and in fact batsmen really enjoyed the benefit of the doubt during those days and anything straight was ruled as going down the legside while batting outside the crease would automatically rule out the lbw dismissal.

You seriously havent seen Wasim in his pomp, ball to ball. It felt like he was going to take a wicket every ball. The angles he could create and the mode of dismissals that were all active with him bowling is the most i have seen for any bowler.

Do you really think warner and Smith with their techniques would have been the same phenoms against a rampaging wasim?
Are they really that significantly better than jayasuriya, lara, tendu and the other lot?

There hasnt been a better technician than Dravid. Go watch his duels with Wasim and how he made a mockery of him, that too after he lost half his zing due to diabetes.

I would like to see what bumrah can do if he loses 10 kph and only has to rely on skill like Wasim had do post 1997.

 

[Ab Fan]

I watched it too. Shami had gotten Morgan Bairstow even before death overs started.He got them around 30-35 over period

If not for these wickets,400 was on and death bowling would have been tougher too

But Shami leaked 44 runs in his final 3 overs while Bumrah leaked 18 runs in his final 4 overs and that was the time when Stokes and Root were batting. So, bowling 4 overs for 18 runs in death overs against Stokes and Root and then Buttler coming next is absolutely fantastic.

If not for those 44 runs by Shami in final 3 overs and about 32 in final 2, the target would have actually been closer to 320 than 335.

 

[Saurav]

But Shami leaked 44 runs in his final 3 overs while Bumrah leaked 18 runs in his final 4 overs and that was the time when Stokes and Root were batting. So, bowling 4 overs for 18 runs in death overs against Stokes and Root and then Buttler coming next is absolutely fantastic.

If not for those 44 runs by Shami in final 3 overs and about 32 in final 2, the target would have actually been closer to 320 than 335.

Shami has always been poor at death,thats not under question

But in that match he had done his job taking out Morgan and Bairstow?You think Bumrah would have been as effective against in form Bairstow and Morgan?He also got Buttler before Bumrah bowled a ball at him IIRC

 

[naseem]

The fact that you are comparing Boult with Wasim really shows how much you know about his bowling skillset.
Give peak Wasim the flattest road and he will still produce magic.
Go watch his exploits on Asian pitches if you want to see what he used to do to the best in flat conditions.

I think he has just about started watching cricet...

 

[naseem]

He never faced true flat track beasts like Warner and Smith. Rules completely favour batsmen now. Much harder to excel for even Wasim. I have seen him play at his best and no one is saying he isn't great. I also never said that Boult is as good as Wasim.
It would be harder in the current era with 2 new balls etc. Also drs. No biased umpires etc.
The way Smith plays shots so effortlessly in Australia is just astounding. Bowlers din't even bowl badly. He was just in the zone and there was nothing any bowler from any era could do to smithy.

Dude......Wasim Akram is the best left arm fast bowler to have ever played international cricket till date.....

Plz.....have some sense while posting.....
I have seen the best of the best.....Jayasuriya Tendulkar Dravid Waugh Gibbs Ponting dancing to his tunes.....
Those batters have higher ceiling than Warner Finch Maxwell Fakhar ......
..

 

[tyron_woodley]

You are just hell-bent to somehow discredit past era bowling performances and have a serious recency bias.
By the way, the 1992 world cup was played with two new balls, and Wasim still found a way to work his magic.
Biased umpiring? Really? The drs not being there worked both ways.

I have seen so many decisions not going the bowler's way and in fact batsmen really enjoyed the benefit of the doubt during those days and anything straight was ruled as going down the legside while batting outside the crease would automatically rule out the lbw dismissal.

You seriously havent seen Wasim in his pomp, ball to ball. It felt like he was going to take a wicket every ball. The angles he could create and the mode of dismissals that were all active with him bowling is the most i have seen for any bowler.

Do you really think warner and Smith with their techniques would have been the same phenoms against a rampaging wasim?
Are they really that significantly better than jayasuriya, lara, tendu and the other lot?

There hasnt been a better technician than Dravid. Go watch his duels with Wasim and how he made a mockery of him, that too after he lost half his zing due to diabetes.

I would like to see what bumrah can do if he loses 10 kph and only has to rely on skill like Wasim had do post 1997.

Ok. Fair enough. But I never said Wasim wasn't great lol. I just don't feel like he has faced flat track bullies on dead flat pancake Pattas like they produce in Australia. Maybe he would be too good here too.

I don't recall Wasim helping Pakistan win a tri series in Australia when Aussies had all their best players playing though. I do remember the 2002 win which was excellent. Shoaib killed it that year. First time an Asian tean won an odi series in Australia.
I am surprised not many talk about that achievement here.

I will take your word for it though.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Dude......Wasim Akram is the best left arm fast bowler to have ever played international cricket till date.....

Plz.....have some sense while posting.....
I have seen the best of the best.....Jayasuriya Tendulkar Dravid Waugh Gibbs Ponting dancing to his tunes.....
Those batters have higher ceiling than Warner Finch Maxwell Fakhar ......
..

I disagree about the batsmen being better. Definitely not better on flat tracks. Current players have way better pwoer game. Dravid Waugh etc are not that great in odi.

Tendu yes but Kohli Smith are better.
Ponting is a beast in odi. He would have been fine in any era.

 

[naseem]

I disagree about the batsmen being better. Definitely not better on flat tracks. Current players have way better pwoer game. Dravid Waugh etc are not that great in odi.

Tendu yes but Kohli Smith are better.
Ponting is a beast in odi. He would have been fine in any era.

Some of the legends of 90s....the real era of competitive cricket where there are no meaningless Mickey mouse leagues and t20s..

B Lara
S Tendulkar
S Anwar
S Jayasuriya
M Waugh
M Taylor
S Waugh
H Gibbs
H Cronje
G Kirsten
R Dravid
S Ganguly
Inzamam
Ijaz....
D heynes
R Richardson
M Bevan
Ranatunga
A Flower
G Flower
A de silva
A Campbell
J Kallis...
A Hollioake

All of the above are no less than the current gr8s...
Infact Sachin Lara Ponting Jayasuriya have higher pedigree than the current fav 3 or 4 ....whatever u say.....

Similarly the said batters has to bat against these bowlers..

Wasim
Waqar
McGrath
Gillespie
Walsh
Ambrose
Vaas
Kumble
Warne
Murali
Mushtaq ahmed
Saqlain
Donald
Pollock
Heath Streak
Gough
Caddick
Kallis
D Fleming
Akhtar
Geoff Ellot
S Elworthy
M Dillon

and don't forget their predecessors......the 80s...and 70s...

 

[naseem]

Ok. Fair enough. But I never said Wasim wasn't great lol. I just don't feel like he has faced flat track bullies on dead flat pancake Pattas like they produce in Australia. Maybe he would be too good here too.

I don't recall Wasim helping Pakistan win a tri series in Australia when Aussies had all their best players playing though. I do remember the 2002 win which was excellent. Shoaib killed it that year. First time an Asian tean won an odi series in Australia.
I am surprised not many talk about that achievement here.

I will take your word for it though.

U haven't watched the 1997 tri series.....

 

[tyron_woodley]

U haven't watched the 1997 tri series.....

Was it full strength Aussies though?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Can lollipop fans stop bringing and insulting Wasim Akram? It is pretty clear the only form of cricket you have watched is T20 league cricket. You actually have to watch Wasim bowl over by over to know how dangerous he was. The way he used to run through batting line ups and how batsman used to avoid facing him. Only those who have watched him during 90s know this.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Some of the legends of 90s....the real era of competitive cricket where there are no meaningless Mickey mouse leagues and t20s..

B Lara
S Tendulkar
S Anwar
S Jayasuriya
M Waugh
M Taylor
S Waugh
H Gibbs
H Cronje
G Kirsten
R Dravid
S Ganguly
Inzamam
Ijaz....
D heynes
R Richardson
M Bevan
Ranatunga
A Flower
G Flower
A de silva
A Campbell
J Kallis...
A Hollioake

All of the above are no less than the current gr8s...
Infact Sachin Lara Ponting Jayasuriya have higher pedigree than the current fav 3 or 4 ....whatever u say.....

[b€]Similarly the said batters has to bat against these bowlers..[/b]

Wasim
Waqar
McGrath
Gillespie
Walsh
Ambrose
Vaas
Kumble
Warne
Murali
Mushtaq ahmed
Saqlain
Donald
Pollock
Heath Streak
Gough
Caddick
Kallis
D Fleming
Akhtar
Geoff Ellot
S Elworthy
M Dillon

and don't forget their predecessors......the 80s...and 70s...

Srinath was much better than Dillon, Caddick, one tournament wonder Geoff Ellot, Heath Streak. Other bowlers you missed were Ntini, Lee and Bond.

 

[Madplayer]

People insulting wasim akram when every single great batsman who faced him named him as the most difficult bowler they had faced.

 

[naseem]

Srinath was much better than Dillon, Caddick, one tournament wonder Geoff Ellot, Heath Streak. Other bowlers you missed were Ntini, Lee and Bond.

Lee Bond are post 90s.....yes Ntini was good....what I am trying 2 say no way we can demean the value of past gr8s....esp of the 90s.....it was a dream era....

 

[naseem]

I hope next time he come after watching the 1997 tri series in Australia...and another tri series by same sponsor on 2000 and 98....if I m not wrong.....those tri series are a treat 2 watch......I can take them any day over t20s

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I hope next time he come after watching the 1997 tri series in Australia...and another tri series by same sponsor on 2000 and 98....if I m not wrong.....those tri series are a treat 2 watch......I can take them any day over t20s

The one involving Pak, Aus and West Indies? I watched that one live. The quality of cricket, commentary and broadcast was top notch. I used to wait for Australian tri angular series every year.

 

[naseem]

The one involving Pak, Aus and West Indies? I watched that one live. The quality of cricket, commentary and broadcast was top notch. I used to wait for Australian tri angular series every year.

Yeah....nd best of 3 finals....

 

[naseem]

Was it full strength Aussies though?

U can watch it urself...... In youtube...the beauty of 90s cricket is it is hell competitive even with 220 sub 250 totals

 

[Smudger]

I though the thread was about Bumrah.
In my opinion the batters have worked him out a bit. Bumrah has had 3 good years in international cricket and a deep was imminent. Once you play international cricket long enough batsmen start working out your plans and how to counter them. Same thing happened with Kuldeep and Chahal. Now Bumrah will have to come up with more plans. Bumrah was never really a huge wicket taker anyway but now-a-days he has started going for runs as well.
Having said that Bumrah will eventually come back as all great players do but some people have too high expectations of him. Dont think he will retire with stats he is having now. They will come down. There is also a very slim chance of him being a couple of season wonder but I hope for cricket's sake its not the case. Love watching him bowl but I think test series will be pretty hard for him if Warner comes back. It will an incredible contest between Warner,Smith and Labuschagne. I predict Smith dominating as he has dominated almost all good bowlers of his time

 

[tyron_woodley]

Can lollipop fans stop bringing and insulting Wasim Akram? It is pretty clear the only form of cricket you have watched is T20 league cricket. You actually have to watch Wasim bowl over by over to know how dangerous he was. The way he used to run through batting line ups and how batsman used to avoid facing him. Only those who have watched him during 90s know this.

I hate T20 though. Wasim played in an extremely bowling friendly era. That tri series was freaking all low scoring. 200 was a winning total. Australia had a weak odi batting line-up.
I said odi***. They were great in tests but until 98 99 they had an average odi lineup.

Blewett ROFL, Waugh in odii, Taylor health ROFL.

 

[tyron_woodley]

U can watch it urself...... In youtube...the beauty of 90s cricket is it is hell competitive even with 220 sub 250 totals

That's the whole point. Bowling friendly era. Wasim was a Greta bowler but there is no guarantee he would perform well vs current flat Patta bullies on dead pancake pitches.

 

[wrongun]

The fact that you are comparing Boult with Wasim really shows how much you know about his bowling skillset.
Give peak Wasim the flattest road and he will still produce magic.
Go watch his exploits on Asian pitches if you want to see what he used to do to the best in flat conditions.

Wasim played a WC in Oz... he seemed to go alright, from memory. Maybe ask Botham, Lamb & Lewis if he could move it...

 

[naseem]

That's the whole point. Bowling friendly era. Wasim was a Greta bowler but there is no guarantee he would perform well vs current flat Patta bullies on dead pancake pitches.

Not bowling friendly era but a competitive one ....not just two three good teams and 4 5 batters.....and few bowlers........
I know u have just started watching cricket....
No harm

 

[tyron_woodley]

Not bowling friendly era but a competitive one ....not just two three good teams and 4 5 batters.....and few bowlers........
I know u have just started watching cricket....
No harm

Lots of unfit players.
Pot belly stars etc.
Nowadays it's rare. Ofcourse there are always a few exceptions but fitness and power hitting are on another level now.
Wasim was great but I don't think he fares well in current era. Maybe he does? There is no way to prove it. Era comparison is pointless. You can only be the best in your* era.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Lots of unfit players.
Pot belly stars etc.
Nowadays it's rare. Ofcourse there are always a few exceptions but fitness and power hitting are on another level now.
Wasim was great but I don't think he fares well in current era. Maybe he does? There is no way to prove it. Era comparison is pointless. You can only be the best in your* era.

Akram, Ambrose, Marshall, these guys would give Smith and Kohli a run for their money. Era comparison is not pointless as it provides context to how good your modern superstars are. The truth is, fantastic, but not the GOATs they are made out to be.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Akram, Ambrose, Marshall, these guys would give Smith and Kohli a run for their money. Era comparison is not pointless as it provides context to how good your modern superstars are. The truth is, fantastic, but not the GOATs they are made out to be.

You can't transpose across era's. Different techniques, different training system, different rules and regulations. Bats are different. Pitches, boundaries, technology, analytics etc. Drs, bouncer rule, no protrctive gearing.

 

[MHN1293]

You can't transpose across era's. Different techniques, different training system, different rules and regulations. Bats are different. Pitches, boundaries, technology, analytics etc. Drs, bouncer rule, no protrctive gearing.

This is a batsmen friendly era correct? Then you should also consider whether the likes of kohli or smith would have been able to replicate these preformances in the older conditions you have mentioned in the post. Stating that wasim would not have been nearly as good in a batsmen friendly era also means that kohli would not have been as good in a bowler friendly era. Thus comparison of players from different eras is pointless. This thread was about bumrah and the fact that other bowlers of the same era have outpreformed him especially against top 4 team implies that he is somewhat over rated.

 

[silentkiller187]

You can scoff all you want. Akram ain't doing squat on these dead pitches. Boult is a great exponent of the new ball. Want to see his record in Australia?

These flat pitches just aren't conducive for fast bowling.

Blame Australia for producing these dreadful pitches on purpose. They are smart though. That's the way to beat India. Win the toss and bat them out of the game.

When mediocre piece of trash pie chucking fodders are Able to contain and play well in these pitches because they are medium fast bowlers then you know this is a trash pitch.

Hahah Please tell me your trolling, Boult better than Akram even a blind indian fan would not make such ridiculous statements.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Wasim was twice the bowler(in test) Boult is but even his stats would have suffered if he played on high scoring pattas like the ones used in Australia or eng these days.
Just how modern batsman would have lesser avg if they played in 90s,90s bowler's stats would have been significantly dented. No doubt about it. (also tampering with the ball isn't that easy now).

 

[tyron_woodley]

This is a batsmen friendly era correct? Then you should also consider whether the likes of kohli or smith would have been able to replicate these preformances in the older conditions you have mentioned in the post. Stating that wasim would not have been nearly as good in a batsmen friendly era also means that kohli would not have been as good in a bowler friendly era. Thus comparison of players from different eras is pointless. This thread was about bumrah and the fact that other bowlers of the same era have outpreformed him especially against top 4 team implies that he is somewhat over rated.

Agreed.

 

[silentkiller187]

This is a batsmen friendly era correct? Then you should also consider whether the likes of kohli or smith would have been able to replicate these preformances in the older conditions you have mentioned in the post. Stating that wasim would not have been nearly as good in a batsmen friendly era also means that kohli would not have been as good in a bowler friendly era. Thus comparison of players from different eras is pointless. This thread was about bumrah and the fact that other bowlers of the same era have outpreformed him especially against top 4 team implies that he is somewhat over rated.

simple logic which people somehow seem to overlook when trying to make a case for or against their fav player.

 

[naseem]

Lots of unfit players.
Pot belly stars etc.
Nowadays it's rare. Ofcourse there are always a few exceptions but fitness and power hitting are on another level now.
Wasim was great but I don't think he fares well in current era. Maybe he does? There is no way to prove it. Era comparison is pointless. You can only be the best in your* era.

Those pot belly's of Jayasuriya Ranatunga De Silva are good enough 2 crush the opposition team....LOL

 

[naseem]

Wasim would definitely get more wickets ...bcoz of DRS ...only....if it was available then.......and also had won many matches esp tests

 

[tyron_woodley]

Those pot belly's of Jayasuriya Ranatunga De Silva are good enough 2 crush the opposition team....LOL

Jayasuriya used to smash India's 90s bowlers for fun lol. Not sure about his performance vs Wasim though. Sri Lanka do have a decent record vs Pakistan however.

 

[naseem]

Jayasuriya used to smash India's 90s bowlers for fun lol. Not sure about his performance vs Wasim though. Sri Lanka do have a decent record vs Pakistan however.

On his day he is a beast

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Too many restrictions for bowlers, also that free hit rule made this a one dimensional game. Boomrah will bounce back in Test, Australians are afraid of him. Remember how scared they were of facing the boomerang

 

[naseem]

Too many restrictions for bowlers, also that free hit rule made this a one dimensional game. Boomrah will bounce back in Test, Australians are afraid of him. Remember how scared they were of facing the boomerang

Yes Smith and co will be shivering......

 

[Indiafan]

There is a reason he averages 25 in ODIs. Today was a decent performance, was unlucky not to get ore wickets, but 43 for 2 is good

 

[Rajdeep]

Labuschange, one of the best young bat in world cricket, had no clue how to play him today.

 

[Indiafan]

Yes Smith and co will be shivering......

Any one with a brain will be vary of someone wit bowling average of 20 in tests. Just like a bowler will be vary of someone averaging 60+ in batting

 

[zain7077]

India fast bowler Jasprit Bumrah finished the year 2020 without getting an ODI wicket in the first powerplay in 2020. Bumrah did not enjoy the best of year in international cricket with the ball as his struggles were visible during New Zealand tour earlier this year. The right-arm fast bowler also struggled in Australia in the ODI series, as he was unable to get a wicket with the new ball.


In 9 ODIs Bumrah has played so far, he has only picked up 3 wickets so far, and conceded 458 runs at an economy rate of just below 6. Bumrah’s struggle with the new ball allowed Australia to post huge totals in the first two ODIs.

India vs Australia 3rd ODI - LIVE!

In total, Bumrah has bowled 34 overs in the powerplay in 2020, but he has returned without a wicket.

Meanwhile, India gave a debut to left-arm fast bowler T Natarajan in the 3rd ODI against Australia Sydney. The seamer dismissed Marnus Labuschagne for 7 to get his maiden ODI wicket.

“I was fortunate enough to be a part of the beginning of that story when we recruited him at Sunrisers 2-3 years ago, on the back of the T20 tournament. I like what he has got to offer,” former Australia cricketer Tom Moody praised Natarajan.


“I call Natarajan a defensive bowler. What he does is he builds pressure and when you are in the eye of the storm, he’s got the skills to shut the opponent down with his slower balls or yorkers, as he angles from the left-arm over,” he said.


https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...lay-in-2020/story-iDAgbmNilnOoThO0SNvYWO.html


Shocking really. Not a single wicket in the powerplay in the whole year and now averaging close to 40 against top teams and 19 against Minnows. At least Babar still has notable performances against top sides. What is Bumrah's best performance against top 5 teams in ODI's? If this was a Pakistani he would be labelled as "finished" etc.

 

[tyron_woodley]

India fast bowler Jasprit Bumrah finished the year 2020 without getting an ODI wicket in the first powerplay in 2020. Bumrah did not enjoy the best of year in international cricket with the ball as his struggles were visible during New Zealand tour earlier this year. The right-arm fast bowler also struggled in Australia in the ODI series, as he was unable to get a wicket with the new ball.


In 9 ODIs Bumrah has played so far, he has only picked up 3 wickets so far, and conceded 458 runs at an economy rate of just below 6. Bumrah’s struggle with the new ball allowed Australia to post huge totals in the first two ODIs.

India vs Australia 3rd ODI - LIVE!

In total, Bumrah has bowled 34 overs in the powerplay in 2020, but he has returned without a wicket.

Meanwhile, India gave a debut to left-arm fast bowler T Natarajan in the 3rd ODI against Australia Sydney. The seamer dismissed Marnus Labuschagne for 7 to get his maiden ODI wicket.

“I was fortunate enough to be a part of the beginning of that story when we recruited him at Sunrisers 2-3 years ago, on the back of the T20 tournament. I like what he has got to offer,” former Australia cricketer Tom Moody praised Natarajan.


“I call Natarajan a defensive bowler. What he does is he builds pressure and when you are in the eye of the storm, he’s got the skills to shut the opponent down with his slower balls or yorkers, as he angles from the left-arm over,” he said.


https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...lay-in-2020/story-iDAgbmNilnOoThO0SNvYWO.html


Shocking really. Not a single wicket in the powerplay in the whole year and now averaging close to 40 against top teams and 19 against Minnows. At least Babar still has notable performances against top sides. What is Bumrah's best performance against top 5 teams in ODI's? If this was a Pakistani he would be labelled as "finished" etc.

Poor form this year for bumrah. Did well to bounce back. Needs to be more consistent.

 

[choudhary6964]

India fast bowler Jasprit Bumrah finished the year 2020 without getting an ODI wicket in the first powerplay in 2020. Bumrah did not enjoy the best of year in international cricket with the ball as his struggles were visible during New Zealand tour earlier this year. The right-arm fast bowler also struggled in Australia in the ODI series, as he was unable to get a wicket with the new ball.


In 9 ODIs Bumrah has played so far, he has only picked up 3 wickets so far, and conceded 458 runs at an economy rate of just below 6. Bumrah’s struggle with the new ball allowed Australia to post huge totals in the first two ODIs.

India vs Australia 3rd ODI - LIVE!

In total, Bumrah has bowled 34 overs in the powerplay in 2020, but he has returned without a wicket.

Meanwhile, India gave a debut to left-arm fast bowler T Natarajan in the 3rd ODI against Australia Sydney. The seamer dismissed Marnus Labuschagne for 7 to get his maiden ODI wicket.

“I was fortunate enough to be a part of the beginning of that story when we recruited him at Sunrisers 2-3 years ago, on the back of the T20 tournament. I like what he has got to offer,” former Australia cricketer Tom Moody praised Natarajan.


“I call Natarajan a defensive bowler. What he does is he builds pressure and when you are in the eye of the storm, he’s got the skills to shut the opponent down with his slower balls or yorkers, as he angles from the left-arm over,” he said.


https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...lay-in-2020/story-iDAgbmNilnOoThO0SNvYWO.html


Shocking really. Not a single wicket in the powerplay in the whole year and now averaging close to 40 against top teams and 19 against Minnows. At least Babar still has notable performances against top sides. What is Bumrah's best performance against top 5 teams in ODI's? If this was a Pakistani he would be labelled as "finished" etc.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh don't state the facts.He is bumroo the goat the sheep the legend.He is everything.He is the best thing that ever happened to cricket.

 

[Rana]

Labuschange, one of the best young bat in world cricket, had no clue how to play him today.

He was out of position, but those were some unplayable deliveries no doubt

 

[tyron_woodley]

He was out of position, but those were some unplayable deliveries no doubt

he is getting there. hopefully he hits his peak in tests again. we need him firing in tests. aussies love bumrah too. lots of aussies here know about him.

still a little rusty in odi though. bumrah should work on his out swingers more. he can be more lethal if he does.

 

[Indiafan]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh don't state the facts.He is bumroo the goat the sheep the legend.He is everything.He is the best thing that ever happened to cricket.

A bowler who averages 20 in tests, 20 in t20 and 25 in odi is a great bowler. He still averages 25 in odis despite such a bad year but he also was just coming back from injury

These are the cold hard stats, not ones you cherry picked

 

[MHN1293]

A bowler who averages 20 in tests, 20 in t20 and 25 in odi is a great bowler. He still averages 25 in odis despite such a bad year but he also was just coming back from injury

These are the cold hard stats, not ones you cherry picked

Similarly someone who averages 56 in odis nearly 50 in tests amd 51 in t201s is also one of the best batsmen of this era.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Similarly someone who averages 56 in odis nearly 50 in tests amd 51 in t201s is also one of the best batsmen of this era.

Ofcourse he is. Babar is one of the best easily. Top5.

No one is denying that Habibi.

 

[shamaan]

Ofcourse he is. Babar is one of the best easily. Top5.

No one is denying that Habibi.

Alot of people are stating hes not top 5

 

[tyron_woodley]

Alot of people are stating hes not top 5

Well he is top 4/5 for sure in tests and T20. Not sure about odi? Haven't seen too many clutch performances but people also need to factor in the fact that Babar carries the entire batting by himself.

 

[Indiafan]

Similarly someone who averages 56 in odis nearly 50 in tests amd 51 in t201s is also one of the best batsmen of this era.

Those stats are pretty good but not great compared to smith, kohli etc yet. Particuladly in tests where nearly 50 is not good enough. However babar will get there in tests too for sure soon

Meanwhile bumrahs test bowing average of 20 is near the top of the top. But he too has to prove it in the long run

 

[Hitman]

Similarly someone who averages 56 in odis nearly 50 in tests amd 51 in t201s is also one of the best batsmen of this era.

A Test average of 45 is nearly 50?

 

[Hitman]

Similarly someone who averages 56 in odis nearly 50 in tests amd 51 in t201s is also one of the best batsmen of this era.

Add to that, he has a grand total of 5 Test centuries. Let's face it, he is a fine batsman and has immense potential. But he is not 1/10th as accomplished as Smith, Kohli, Root and Williamson in Tests.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Bumrah is the best bowler in the world in all formats. Odi being his weakest format, he is till top quality there too. Easily top 3 in odi. He is a hit the deck bowler so he won't be able to get new ball wickets. That's why India needs Shami and Bhuvi to support him in tandem.

He just needs to make sure he is full fit and well rested for important games.

I never praise a bowler that too an Indian bowler unless he is really talented. This guy when he is in form he is just unplayable. Unbelievable skill. He is indeed a very special bowler along with Shami. They both need to be well rested and play only tests away from home and some important home games. Play only ICC tournaments and they should be involved in very little bilateral games just like how Aussies coddle and protect Starc and Cummins.

Ideally he shouldn't even play t20 franchzie cricket but I know he makes serious dough there so that will be an exception.

He should never play bilateral T20, bilateral odi unless it's a decider and he should be rested vs weak teams in tests.

Bcci's job is to protect him and Shami. But they like to run them to the ground due to marketing purposes. It's a shame but I hope they give them some valuable time off for unimportant clashes.

 

[therealAB]

They do and they peak too early. Bumrah hasn't peaked yet. He is not art his physical best.
Peak is when both your physical and mental strength are at its absolute best.

How do you know that

 

[tyron_woodley]

How do you know that

because he isnt in his physical prime yet? i am not even sure about his mental strength. you dont quite hit your physical prime until 29-33. thats when you are at your strongest physically. Everyone is different. bumrah has slowly put on some muscle over the years. He does a lot of core strength training. you can see it on his instagram.

cummins used to be frail and weak. Now he rarely ever gets injured due to changing his training routine.

 

[therealAB]

because he isnt in his physical prime yet? i am not even sure about his mental strength. you dont quite hit your physical prime until 29-33. thats when you are at your strongest physically. Everyone is different. bumrah has slowly put on some muscle over the years. He does a lot of core strength training. you can see it on his instagram.

cummins used to be frail and weak. Now he rarely ever gets injured due to changing his training routine.

Not everyone reaches physical peak at 29-33 though. Especially with injuries. Pattinson was a much, much better bowler 8 years ago

 

[Chokli]

He's washed up and exposed. Was over hyped by Indians. What happened now?

 

[tyron_woodley]

He's washed up and exposed. Was over hyped by Indians. What happened now?

Are you sure? He seems pretty damn good to most people.

 

[Chokli]

Are you sure? He seems pretty damn good to most people.

Seen his recent ODI stats?

 

[tyron_woodley]

Not everyone reaches physical peak at 29-33 though. Especially with injuries. Pattinson was a much, much better bowler 8 years ago

True. Injuries always suck. Cummins came back from injuries and became even better


Sometimes when you rehab from old injuries and take time off, you actually come back better.

Sometimes you don't. Depends on the individual. That's where mental strength to come back stronger comes into play

 

[tyron_woodley]

Seen his recent ODI stats?

Starc also averages 23.5
Bumrah is 25.
Cummins 28
Rabada 27

So? Modern era is too batting friendly mate. Flat Pattas inflate bowler averages.

 

[Ab Fan]

6 wickets in this game vs England's strong batting lineup but but he is overrated in this format lol

 

[Saj]

Best bowling figures by an Asian bowler in ODIs in England:

Waqar Younis 7-36 v England at Leeds 2001
Jasprit Bumrah 6-19 v England today
K Yadav 6-25 v England at Nottingham 2018
Shaheen Afridi 6-35 v Bangladesh at Lord's 2019
Umar Gul 6-42 v England at The Oval 2010

 

[sweep_shot]

He is not as good in ODI as he is in Test. A bit like Steyn.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is not as good in ODI as he is in Test. A bit like Steyn.

Steyn was never as good in death overs in LOIs as Bumrah is.