[VIDEOS] Pakistan to host Champions Trophy 2025

[HitWicket]

The ICC have announced that qualification for the Champions Trophy will be based on the World Cup standings rather than the rankings. Seems a bit ridiculous to be announcing that for the first time halfway through the World Cup.

 

[gazza619]

The ICC have announced that qualification for the Champions Trophy will be based on the World Cup standings rather than the rankings. Seems a bit ridiculous to be announcing that for the first time halfway through the World Cup.

So basically Pakistan is at risk of not qualifying?

 

[HitWicket]

So basically Pakistan is at risk of not qualifying?

Pakistan automatically qualify as hosts.

 

[sweep_shot]

Afghanistan should finish among top 8.

That means 2 from England, Netherlands, and Bangladesh should miss out (Bangladesh and Netherlands probably).

 

[par]

The ICC have announced that qualification for the Champions Trophy will be based on the World Cup standings rather than the rankings. Seems a bit ridiculous to be announcing that for the first time halfway through the World Cup.

But according to Cricinfo, Bangladesh knew about it before.

The qualification for the 2025 Champions Trophy was highlighted this week by Bangladesh captain Shakib Al Hasan more than once. With his team almost out of the semi-final race in the ODI World Cup, Shakib spoke of the importance of finishing in the top eight. "I mean, not the semi-final hope. It is not a semi-final possibility," Shakib said on Saturday, after Bangladesh were beaten by Netherlands. "At least, do a little better. Suppose, you have to be in the [top] ranking 8 if you want to play in the Champions Trophy. So, there are still three matches left considering that in mind."

 

[GLORY OF '92]

The ICC have announced that qualification for the Champions Trophy will be based on the World Cup standings rather than the rankings. Seems a bit ridiculous to be announcing that for the first time halfway through the World Cup.

It was decided in 2021 nothing new

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why would we compensate them? The whole point of rotating who hosts is so people can enjoy cricket in different countries and boards can make money from the tournaments. If India does not want to play it is completely okay, but they should be paying the compensation. Of course thqt won’t happen, you guys are going to use your 1.4 billion person media market as a bullying tactic and since ICC is primary a profit generating business, as long as you have such a big population you’ll keep getting away with it. Not much you can do when a country has a bigger population than all the other cricketing nations put together.

Why will India compensate? India hasn't signed the MPA to participate in 2025 CT. If India doesn't participate India wont get the ICC revenue share for that event. That's all.

Its not about population. Its about revenues. Pakistan has 240mn people. Yet Pakistan isn't the second biggest revenue generator. Blame your country for the failure.

Anyways coming to the compensation part.

Star paid ICC 3bn USD for the Indian territory broadcast rights for 4 years.Thats 750mn usd a event. If India doesn't play CT, Star wont pay that event's 750mn USD.

Additionally Indian sponsors wont turn up in big numbers, so ICC will lose money. Let's call it X.

But ICC will also save $230mn that they won't have to pay BCCI for that year.

So ICC will lose

750mn+X-230mn = Y

If PCB with the help of Pakistan government and Pakistani corporates can raise this amount, ICC will have no option but play the CT in Pakistan without India.

If you want something desperately you have to go to lengths to get it.

 

[160KPH]

Why will India compensate? India hasn't signed the MPA to participate in 2025 CT. If India doesn't participate India wont get the ICC revenue share for that event. That's all.

Its not about population. Its about revenues. Pakistan has 240mn people. Yet Pakistan isn't the second biggest revenue generator. Blame your country for the failure.

Anyways coming to the compensation part.

Star paid ICC 3bn USD for the Indian territory broadcast rights for 4 years.Thats 750mn usd a event. If India doesn't play CT, Star wont pay that event's 750mn USD.

Additionally Indian sponsors wont turn up in big numbers, so ICC will lose money. Let's call it X.

But ICC will also save $230mn that they won't have to pay BCCI for that year.

So ICC will lose

750mn+X-230mn = Y

If PCB with the help of Pakistan government and Pakistani corporates can raise this amount, ICC will have no option but play the CT in Pakistan without India.

If you want something desperately you have to go to lengths to get it.

You just repeated everything I said but in more words than I used.

 

[7sins]

Pakistan team came to India let's see if india does the same this time excuses won't work

 

[cricketjoshila]

You just repeated everything I said but in more words than I used.

No. You asked India to pay compensation. India wont pay a dime.

Pakistan though has the opportunity to pay whatever losses ICC will make and get the world Cup.

 

[Savak]

Pakistan won't have to worry about qualifying for the CT. The host nation automatically qualifies.

 

[PassionForPak]

India will boycott champion trophy if in Pakistan, I'm 100% certain. Mostly citing security concerns.

Which will make pakistan favourites.

 

[PassionForPak]

India won't be travelling to Pakistan in 2025. And I don't think it will be a hybrid model either like Asia cup. I think entire CT 2025 will be moved out of Pakistan and will be awarded to another country like SA or Eng.

Nah, India will not play but it will definitely be held in Pakistan.
Unless economy collapse or a civil war.

 

[PassionForPak]

Ind and Aus will withdraw for sure. Will have to host it in UAE. Just like this t20 worldcup.

Sri lanka too probably, you know for obvious reasons.

 

[HitWicket]

It was decided in 2021 nothing new

The fact that until yesterday there had been no public announcement of the change, no media outlets were aware of the change and several teams were not aware of the change indicates it wasn't communicated properly at all.

 

[Saanji]

The fact that until yesterday there had been no public announcement of the change, no media outlets were aware of the change and several teams were not aware of the change indicates it wasn't communicated properly at all.

It had been on Wikipedia page since 2021 brother.

 

[HitWicket]

It had been on Wikipedia page since 2021 brother.

The Wikipedia page was updated yesterday, until then it stated the top 7 teams from the rankings + Pakistan: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025_ICC_Champions_Trophy&oldid=1182278000

 

[HitWicket]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1718665507610714549

 

[kron]

Please be true. Would be wonderful for our future.

 

[sweep_shot]

How come qualification scenario wasn't clear before? This should've been to known to everyone before this WC even started.

Poor management from ICC yet again.

I also don't understand the point of CT. It should be scrapped. There is already an ODI WC.

 

[hitthestump]

Pakistan team came to India let's see if india does the same this time excuses won't work

And what will you do if they don't come?

I can't see it happening as things stand.

And Pakistan showed the world they are willing to bend over for the ACC to accomodate India.

Lol as if we're suddenly going to find our spine by the time 2025 comes.

 

[pakfan54588]

I read somewhere that the BCCI was demanding that Pakistan's hosting rights for the Champions Trophy be taken away from the ICC. One of the main points of discussion during the ICC officials meeting with the PCB in Pakistan was ICC proposing to the PCB that the 2024 T-20 WC being taken away from USA/West Indies because of poor facilities and being swapped with England and for the 2025 CT being shifted to another country and the PCB will be fully compensated to tune of $16-20 million plus a share of the profits of the tournament.

Let's see which way the PCB goes.

pcb should take it otherwise pcb will be bankrupt providing presedtional security to 8 international team .Also our ground are not modern neither there are facilities for spectators

 

[160KPH]

No. You asked India to pay compensation. India wont pay a dime.

Pakistan though has the opportunity to pay whatever losses ICC will make and get the world Cup.

The purpose for hosting in different locations is not solely due to revenue. It’s to grow the game and for a better viewing experience because we get to see players compete in various conditions.

If revenue was the sole consideration every series would be played in India, even though you guys put on the worst/most boring World Cup in history, just because there’s more people in India than any other cricketing nation put together.

 

[Major]

pakistan is host, so we qualify automatically

 

[160KPH]

Why will India compensate? India hasn't signed the MPA to participate in 2025 CT. If India doesn't participate India wont get the ICC revenue share for that event. That's all.

Its not about population. Its about revenues. Pakistan has 240mn people. Yet Pakistan isn't the second biggest revenue generator. Blame your country for the failure.

Anyways coming to the compensation part.

Star paid ICC 3bn USD for the Indian territory broadcast rights for 4 years.Thats 750mn usd a event. If India doesn't play CT, Star wont pay that event's 750mn USD.

Additionally Indian sponsors wont turn up in big numbers, so ICC will lose money. Let's call it X.

But ICC will also save $230mn that they won't have to pay BCCI for that year.

So ICC will lose

750mn+X-230mn = Y

If PCB with the help of Pakistan government and Pakistani corporates can raise this amount, ICC will have no option but play the CT in Pakistan without India.

If you want something desperately you have to go to lengths to get it.

Also the revenue is entirely based on your population size. Your nation is incredibly poor. Bangladesh has a higher GDP per capita than you and let’s not even talk about the other nations playing cricket. If England or Australia had 1.4 billion people, you would never host an ICC event ever again because it would be far more lucrative to host in a wealthy nation that has the same number of viewers. I mean all other countries would love to move the World Cup out of India. The crowds are non existent, the streaming numbers across the globe are down aside from in India, and there have not even been any competitive games.

 

[160KPH]

But according to Cricinfo, Bangladesh knew about it before.

Yeah it was known way before. Me and @Nikhil_cric even discussed it in a thread like a week ago I believe, that it’s Top 7 + hosts. Very possible ICC did not communicate that info properly, but the information was certainly out there and decided on. It was not a last minute change.

 

[deltexas]

Honest practical opinion with no accusations , chest thumping, who is right or wrong or politics in play etc. Just a practical approach.

- Ind is not touring Pak for the 2025 CT. Period. No matter what. Not debating the politics, morality etc etc. It's just the fact. Pak has to accept it. If Pak does not accept the fact then the only option they have is to host the CT without Ind. Without Ind the tournament is just not financially viable and that's a fact . Also a lot of the teams may decide not to participate in order to escape the wrath of the bcci - again whether it's fair, correct etc etc is beyond the scope here - just a fact. So Pak loses out big time . And for a lot of guys who say Pak shouldnt care etc etc - the funds PCB generates is not just about Ind , it;s to develop their grassroots structure, PCB operating costs, players salaries domestic and international etc. So Pak losing the CT should not be an option.

- Or accept the fact that Ind will not tour. Now whats best ? How does Park work it out ? My advice would be just accept Ind is not touring and work something out with the bCCI ahead of schedule and not last minute. Discuss with bcci. Agree with them that Ind will not tour Pak. Dont bash them publicly - again being practical.. Work with bcci on the best option. My suggestion would be to discuss with bcci - to host all Pak games in Pak ; all Ind games in Ind ( yes in Ind) incl the Ind-Pak game ( have to make sure Ind Pak are in same group LOL to milk it to the max & schedule it in Ahmedabad ; 1sf held in Ind ( if Ind qualifies ) and 1 sf in Pak ( if Pak qualifies unless its an Ind-Pak sf which will be in Ind and again bcci can milk it lol! ) and the final in Ind. ( again incase Ind qualifies. If Ind doesnt reach the final , cant move the venue last min to Pak for logistics)

This way Pak gets a vast majority of the games, BCCIs ego is satisfied, Ind-Pak game milked max , PCB makes money, BCCI as well, other teams are happy to tour.. Win win for all. Easiest practical approach ( leave politics, egos, whos right whos wrong, jingositic talk etc etc aside and both parties can claim victory)

 

[Saanji]

....and there have not even been any competitive games.

After yesterday's NZ vs aus? Or recently concluded pak vs SA??

 

[cricketjoshila]

The purpose for hosting in different locations is not solely due to revenue. It’s to grow the game and for a better viewing experience because we get to see players compete in various conditions.

If revenue was the sole consideration every series would be played in India, even though you guys put on the worst/most boring World Cup in history, just because there’s more people in India than any other cricketing nation put together.

All this doesn't pay the bills. ICC needs revenues to support poorer boards.

If India doesn't go to Pakistan, ICC will lose 100s of millions. Either all boards accept those losses or PCB compensates them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Also the revenue is entirely based on your population size. Your nation is incredibly poor. Bangladesh has a higher GDP per capita than you and let’s not even talk about the other nations playing cricket. If England or Australia had 1.4 billion people, you would never host an ICC event ever again because it would be far more lucrative to host in a wealthy nation that has the same number of viewers. I mean all other countries would love to move the World Cup out of India. The crowds are non existent, the streaming numbers across the globe are down aside from in India, and there have not even been any competitive games.

Bangladesh just took a IMF bailout. Fudging GDP numbers can take you only so far.

Why with 240mn Pakistan isn't the 2nd largest revenue generator?

Why with 180mn Bangladesh isn't the 3rd largest revenue generator?

All other countries came and told you that they want the WC out of India?

Crowds are non existent?

 

[mominsaigol]

So no England for ct 2025? Tough

 

[Savak]

A hybrid model solution with India's games in the UAE. Travel bw Pakistan and UAE is not an issue plus UAE is suitable for playing cricket in February March.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

pakistan is host, so we qualify automatically

Dont tell this to Pakistan Cricket Team, else they wont put any effort to win the remaining games.

 

[Mas-LFC]

I hope it goes ahead in Pakistan. Pakistan needs an icc event to get back to things properly staging a multi nation event. Unfortunately theres the twisted sickening politics involved which ruins everything, so it’s unlikely. But who knows what future holds.

But If it does that gets moved I think Bangladesh should get it. By 2025 many of BD major infrastructure projects in Dhaka and Chittagong, like the Airport, roads, metro, expressways etc will be completed, some stadiums upgrades should be done too. I think they are rebuilding Fatullah cricket stadium, Naryanganj near Dhaka which hosted 2014 Asia Cup. Dhaka, Sylhet and Chittagong could be venues. Fatullah too if fixed by then, since its near Dhaka. 4 locations should be enough for CT. Sylhet has two stadiums in one location.

 

[ex-q-zit]

England looks all set to not qualify for the CT 2025. AS per ICC rules the top 7 teams in the ICC WC 2023 table plus Pakistan (who have an autonmatic qualification for being the host) will qualify to play the tournament. If ENg do not win the next 2 games they may miss CT 2025 which will be a huge blow not just for them but also cricket on a whole with West Indies already missing it.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Hopefully this time the fans of other teams are spared of this India/Pakistan soap drama because we all know the end result. India will not come to Pakistan. As long as Modi is in power and as long as BJP is in power this is not changing.

Host the whole thing in UAE. This is best for everyone.

If Pakistan and India ends up in different groups( which never happens ) than you can talk about Pakistan group playing it's games in Pakistan.

 

[deltexas]

So no England for ct 2025? Tough

Not sure yet. Still a few games left in WC . Eng can still get into the top 8. And the crazy thing is they still have a very narrow path to qualify for SF.

 

[Mas-LFC]

England looks all set to not qualify for the CT 2025. AS per ICC rules the top 7 teams in the ICC WC 2023 table plus Pakistan (who have an autonmatic qualification for being the host) will qualify to play the tournament. If ENg do not win the next 2 games they may miss CT 2025 which will be a huge blow not just for them but also cricket on a whole with West Indies already missing it.

Who makes these stupid rules. Cwc should be 12 teams. T20 wc should be 14 teams. Champions trophy should he top 8 in the rankings including host.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Bangladesh just took a IMF bailout. Fudging GDP numbers can take you only so far.

Why with 240mn Pakistan isn't the 2nd largest revenue generator?

Why with 180mn Bangladesh isn't the 3rd largest revenue generator?

All other countries came and told you that they want the WC out of India?

Crowds are non existent?

Records tumble as hundreds of millions of fans tune in to Men’s Cricket World Cup 2023

The ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2023 has set more record-breaking numbers as hundreds of millions of fans engage with the biggest Cricket World Cup ever.

www.icc-cricket.com

This report shows viewership and attendance are all much higher than the previous time but it's quite unfortunate that some people have to spread lies just because they are frustrated with their team not doing well. It happened in the Asia Cup and now it's happening again.

 

[hitthestump]

Hopefully this time the fans of other teams are spared of this India/Pakistan soap drama because we all know the end result. India will not come to Pakistan. As long as Modi is in power and as long as BJP is in power this is not changing.

Host the whole thing in UAE. This is best for everyone.

If Pakistan and India ends up in different groups( which never happens ) than you can talk about Pakistan group playing it's games in Pakistan.

Pakistan should save face by taking this decision themselves rather than inevitably being arm twisted into it.

It was nothing short of humilating to do all that chest thumping over the Asia Cup before meekly handing it over to SL like the good little boys that we are.

Pakistan have zero leverage in this matter. If India decides it is not coming then that is the end of the story. Pakistan have only two options -
1. Move the CT trophy or
2. Be forced to move the CT trophy

 

[saqib.rai]

How come qualification scenario wasn't clear before? This should've been to known to everyone before this WC even started.

Poor management from ICC yet again.

I also don't understand the point of CT. It should be scrapped. There is already an ODI WC.

I think it was deliberate to add some context to the World Cup and make it exciting

As the top 4 are locked already unless something drastic happens

 

[saqib.rai]

Honest practical opinion with no accusations , chest thumping, who is right or wrong or politics in play etc. Just a practical approach.

- Ind is not touring Pak for the 2025 CT. Period. No matter what. Not debating the politics, morality etc etc. It's just the fact. Pak has to accept it. If Pak does not accept the fact then the only option they have is to host the CT without Ind. Without Ind the tournament is just not financially viable and that's a fact . Also a lot of the teams may decide not to participate in order to escape the wrath of the bcci - again whether it's fair, correct etc etc is beyond the scope here - just a fact. So Pak loses out big time . And for a lot of guys who say Pak shouldnt care etc etc - the funds PCB generates is not just about Ind , it;s to develop their grassroots structure, PCB operating costs, players salaries domestic and international etc. So Pak losing the CT should not be an option.

- Or accept the fact that Ind will not tour. Now whats best ? How does Park work it out ? My advice would be just accept Ind is not touring and work something out with the bCCI ahead of schedule and not last minute. Discuss with bcci. Agree with them that Ind will not tour Pak. Dont bash them publicly - again being practical.. Work with bcci on the best option. My suggestion would be to discuss with bcci - to host all Pak games in Pak ; all Ind games in Ind ( yes in Ind) incl the Ind-Pak game ( have to make sure Ind Pak are in same group LOL to milk it to the max & schedule it in Ahmedabad ; 1sf held in Ind ( if Ind qualifies ) and 1 sf in Pak ( if Pak qualifies unless its an Ind-Pak sf which will be in Ind and again bcci can milk it lol! ) and the final in Ind. ( again incase Ind qualifies. If Ind doesnt reach the final , cant move the venue last min to Pak for logistics)

This way Pak gets a vast majority of the games, BCCIs ego is satisfied, Ind-Pak game milked max , PCB makes money, BCCI as well, other teams are happy to tour.. Win win for all. Easiest practical approach ( leave politics, egos, whos right whos wrong, jingositic talk etc etc aside and both parties can claim victory)

What do you think of your BCCI before writing this post?

I am a very practical person- wanted Pakistan to go to India for the World Cup as not going would have hampered the cricketing ecosystem in the country. Was against the Various PCB Chairmans making threats to boost their false bravado

However, the suggestion you have given boils my blood. What do you think of us? We can boycott a meaningless tournament such as the Champions Trophy. No big deal

In all fairness, it should be jointly held in Pakistan and Dubai

Pakistan, India and 2 other teams in the group can play matches in Karachi and Dubai (very short distance)

The other 4 teams can play matches in Lahore and Rawalpindi (short distance)

One semi-final in Lahore, the other in Dubai. As Pakistan and India would not meet in semis. Pakistan can play in Lahore and India in Dubai if one/both qualify

And the final in Dubai

Such a proposal atleast gives us some face saving. Would rather boycott then share the tournament with India

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

Im just wondering, (if anyone knows), what would happen if Pakistan finishes 9th or 10th in this WC? Will that mean one team from the top 8 cannot qualify for the 2025 Champions Trophy (presumably the 8th placed-team)?

But its unlikely Pakistan will finish in bottom 2 from here

 

[deltexas]

What do you think of your BCCI before writing this post?

I am a very practical person- wanted Pakistan to go to India for the World Cup as not going would have hampered the cricketing ecosystem in the country. Was against the Various PCB Chairmans making threats to boost their false bravado

However, the suggestion you have given boils my blood. What do you think of us? We can boycott a meaningless tournament such as the Champions Trophy. No big deal

In all fairness, it should be jointly held in Pakistan and Dubai

Pakistan, India and 2 other teams in the group can play matches in Karachi and Dubai (very short distance)

The other 4 teams can play matches in Lahore and Rawalpindi (short distance)

One semi-final in Lahore, the other in Dubai. As Pakistan and India would not meet in semis. Pakistan can play in Lahore and India in Dubai if one/both qualify

And the final in Dubai

Such a proposal atleast gives us some face saving. Would rather boycott then share the tournament with India

As I said in my 1st sentence - it's not about what I think , you think , whos right or wrong or politics whatever etc - it's just the facts and reality that I wrote .

Your sentence "I am a very practical person- wanted Pakistan to go to India for the World Cup as not going would have hampered the cricketing ecosystem in the country. Was against the Various PCB Chairmans making threats to boost their false bravado" negates everything you have written after that..

"You" can boycott and its not a big deal to "you" but I doubt PCB thinks that way as it's not "your" money involved but "theirs" .. Unfortunately the world is not black and white, there's a lot of grey shades. it has The financial revenue from the event benefits PCB - as you say their ecosystem , maintenance , utilities etc.. Abandoning the CT is something that PCB just cant and will never do just bcos of the financial complications.. I suggested Ind as the venue for the other matches just bcos it will have complete backing of the BCCI with the least path of resistance and make it a high profile event .. Am fine with Dubai as well as an alt venue. But the atmosphere is so sterile and underwhelming in Dubai - just a boring place for cricket matches. I would much rather prefer Bang as an alt venue. Better crowds and more of an atmosphere than Dubai. Most probably it will end up as a hybrid model with matches held in Pak and Dubai as you say unless the weather is too hot in Dubai. If the event is during summer in Dubai , they should strive for a venue that has no rainy season - dont want a repeat as in SL, if Bang weather is good that time then Bang should be the venue, but if its monsoon season in both then Ind can be the 3rd option. Priority should be completing the matches. But yeah I think Pak and Dubai will be the venue hosts with a hybrid model..

 

[The_KING]

If I am being honest, I don't think Pakistan is ready to host an ICC tournament. The stadiums aren't in the best of conditions and I don't want PCB wasting millions in providing presidential level security for eight teams. We also know that India won't come to Pakistan, so we should avoid another saga similar to this year's Asia Cup.

The best thing would be to have India and Pakistan in different groups and have the group matches of teams in Pakistan's group take place in Pakistan. The matches of the other group, as well as the semi finals and final should take place in UAE.

 

[saqib.rai]

As I said in my 1st sentence - it's not about what I think , you think , whos right or wrong or politics whatever etc - it's just the facts and reality that I wrote .

Your sentence "I am a very practical person- wanted Pakistan to go to India for the World Cup as not going would have hampered the cricketing ecosystem in the country. Was against the Various PCB Chairmans making threats to boost their false bravado" negates everything you have written after that..

"You" can boycott and its not a big deal to "you" but I doubt PCB thinks that way as it's not "your" money involved but "theirs" .. Unfortunately the world is not black and white, there's a lot of grey shades. it has The financial revenue from the event benefits PCB - as you say their ecosystem , maintenance , utilities etc.. Abandoning the CT is something that PCB just cant and will never do just bcos of the financial complications.. I suggested Ind as the venue for the other matches just bcos it will have complete backing of the BCCI with the least path of resistance and make it a high profile event .. Am fine with Dubai as well as an alt venue. But the atmosphere is so sterile and underwhelming in Dubai - just a boring place for cricket matches. I would much rather prefer Bang as an alt venue. Better crowds and more of an atmosphere than Dubai. Most probably it will end up as a hybrid model with matches held in Pak and Dubai as you say unless the weather is too hot in Dubai. If the event is during summer in Dubai , they should strive for a venue that has no rainy season - dont want a repeat as in SL, if Bang weather is good that time then Bang should be the venue, but if its monsoon season in both then Ind can be the 3rd option. Priority should be completing the matches. But yeah I think Pak and Dubai will be the venue hosts with a hybrid model..

I agree with you. Finances are very very important
However, theres a red line. PCB agreeing to host it with India with the final in India would raise serious questions on our sovereignty

Cannot compromise on sovereignty for a meaningless tournament such as the Champions Trophy

Plus it's in February, so the hybrid model with Dubai is very much feasible

 

[deltexas]

I agree with you. Finances are very very important
However, theres a red line. PCB agreeing to host it with India with the final in India would raise serious questions on our sovereignty

Cannot compromise on sovereignty for a meaningless tournament such as the Champions Trophy

Plus it's in February, so the hybrid model with Dubai is very much feasible

Yeah if it's in February , then I am almost 100% certain that it will be a hybrid model with Pak and Dubai the hosts with Dubai hosting atleast 1 sf and the final..

 

[saqib.rai]

Yeah if it's in February , then I am almost 100% certain that it will be a hybrid model with Pak and Dubai the hosts with Dubai hosting atleast 1 sf and the final..

I really hope so.

God forbid, God forbid another Pulwama or Uri and it will be taken out of Pakistan altogether. And the PCB would be forced to boycott

Hopefully everything remains smooth and it can be jointly held in Pakistan and UAE

 

[160KPH]

All this doesn't pay the bills. ICC needs revenues to support poorer boards.

If India doesn't go to Pakistan, ICC will lose 100s of millions. Either all boards accept those losses or PCB compensates them.

Or India could choose to just not skip the tournament? But you would never lobby for that because you are caught up in the BJP nationalist frenzy.

 

[160KPH]

What do you think of your BCCI before writing this post?

I am a very practical person- wanted Pakistan to go to India for the World Cup as not going would have hampered the cricketing ecosystem in the country. Was against the Various PCB Chairmans making threats to boost their false bravado

However, the suggestion you have given boils my blood. What do you think of us? We can boycott a meaningless tournament such as the Champions Trophy. No big deal

In all fairness, it should be jointly held in Pakistan and Dubai

Pakistan, India and 2 other teams in the group can play matches in Karachi and Dubai (very short distance)

The other 4 teams can play matches in Lahore and Rawalpindi (short distance)

One semi-final in Lahore, the other in Dubai. As Pakistan and India would not meet in semis. Pakistan can play in Lahore and India in Dubai if one/both qualify

And the final in Dubai

Such a proposal atleast gives us some face saving. Would rather boycott then share the tournament with India

They want to be a world power but also want to be handled with kid gloves and never criticized. It’s clear India is not ready for prime time. They don’t know how to play the game on the world stage and it’s why their GDP is slowing and they’re increasingly facing isolation from the West. Nationalism is poison for all growing economies.

The game should be in Pakistan period. At this point, if they don’t host it there let the farce be exposed for what it is. ODI cricket is dead anyway, no one will care about the 2025 tournament.

 

[Falconslions]

I agree with you. Finances are very very important
However, theres a red line. PCB agreeing to host it with India with the final in India would raise serious questions on our sovereignty

Cannot compromise on sovereignty for a meaningless tournament such as the Champions Trophy

Plus it's in February, so the hybrid model with Dubai is very much feasible

Most games in Pakistan with some games in UAE makes the most sense.

 

[sweep_shot]

Asian Games cricket was successfully hosted in China.

Maybe some of the games can be played in China while Pakistani games can remain in Pakistan.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Yeah it was known way before. Me and @Nikhil_cric even discussed it in a thread like a week ago I believe, that it’s Top 7 + hosts. Very possible ICC did not communicate that info properly, but the information was certainly out there and decided on. It was not a last minute change.

Boards have known this since 2021. It's the individual boards' responsibility to communicate to the coaches and captains.

Im surprised that Matthew Mott wasn't aware

 

[saqib.rai]

Asian Games cricket was successfully hosted in China.

Maybe some of the games can be played in China while Pakistani games can remain in Pakistan.

Did you see the size of the ground there? What metric are you using to say it was successfully hosted?

Do some basic research

 

[kingusama92]

I'll be positive and say India is going to show up in 2025.

 

[sweep_shot]

Did you see the size of the ground there? What metric are you using to say it was successfully hosted?

Do some basic research

That ground size was within the ICC's limit (small ground like New Zealand's Auckland). Those games had international statuses.

 

[sweep_shot]

Most games in Pakistan with some games in UAE makes the most sense.

No. It will be too much traveling for teams (Pakistan and UAE back and forth). It is not practical.

If there are two hosts, the countries need to be close to each other. Sri Lanka is one option maybe (just like Asia Cup).

 

[Slim]

If I am being honest, I don't think Pakistan is ready to host an ICC tournament. The stadiums aren't in the best of conditions and I don't want PCB wasting millions in providing presidential level security for eight teams. We also know that India won't come to Pakistan, so we should avoid another saga similar to this year's Asia Cup.

The best thing would be to have India and Pakistan in different groups and have the group matches of teams in Pakistan's group take place in Pakistan. The matches of the other group, as well as the semi finals and final should take place in UAE.

You are worried about PCB wasting millions as if money comes out of your pocket?

Ashamed to read such defeatist posts. If India doesnt come to Pakistan, and ICC forces pakistan’s hand then we should simply bow out and boycott. Pakistan should never participate in any icc event in india from thereon.

Theres a limit to everything.

 

[Slim]

Couple of things:

Stadiums:

England organized the whole CT in two stadiums, we can simply organize it in Lahore, Rawalpindi and Multan/Karachi. No issues here. The rhona dhona needs to stop. All 4 stadiums are good quality. Rawalpindi will probably be upgraded by 2025.


Teams:

England not qualifying will be a huge bummer. I personally like them a lot and the brand of cricket they play. However whatever teams qualify, i can predict this to be a highly succesful tournament.

Security and Finances:

By 2025, Pakistan will have an elected govt which will want such a flagship event to be organized in the country. Money and security expenses dont matter here. It will he covered. Even making zero profit here is worth it with the kind of strong symbolic message and contribution this tournament will provide Pakistan with.

This is the sole reason India will create hell for Pakistan as they want complete isolation of Pakistan in the world. They know the symbolic importance of this tournament and will try their level best to sabotage it. A strong willed administration (definitely not a crook like Zaka Ashraf) is required.

In case ICC moves the tournament out:

They cannot. If India pulls out, still play the tournament. Give up your share of the profits. Do everything to make it happen. If it does not, then simply boycott and refuse to play any tournament in India. Simple. Respect over everything.

 

[Falconslions]

There are two groups of four teams in CT.

As suggested above, Karachi and Dubai are close enough that they can host games for one group and Punjab can host the games for the other group.

This way majority of games can be in Pakistan and India can play theirs in Dubai with other teams in India's group playing in both Karachi and Dubai. One semi final in Dubai and the other in Pakistan.

As suggested by others, I believe this is the best solution. The sooner PCB get this sorted the better.

 

[latecut]

It is not viewership, it is the revenue that comes from this viewership. Pakistan has the second highest viewership, but that does not translate into revenue for ICC.

 

[Hitman]

I'll be positive and say India is going to show up in 2025.

I wish the same, I'm being honest. But presidential level security should be provided to every team.

 

[sachin-10dulkar]

Couple of things:

Stadiums:

England organized the whole CT in two stadiums, we can simply organize it in Lahore, Rawalpindi and Multan/Karachi. No issues here. The rhona dhona needs to stop. All 4 stadiums are good quality. Rawalpindi will probably be upgraded by 2025.


Teams:

England not qualifying will be a huge bummer. I personally like them a lot and the brand of cricket they play. However whatever teams qualify, i can predict this to be a highly succesful tournament.

Security and Finances:

By 2025, Pakistan will have an elected govt which will want such a flagship event to be organized in the country. Money and security expenses dont matter here. It will he covered. Even making zero profit here is worth it with the kind of strong symbolic message and contribution this tournament will provide Pakistan with.

This is the sole reason India will create hell for Pakistan as they want complete isolation of Pakistan in the world. They know the symbolic importance of this tournament and will try their level best to sabotage it. A strong willed administration (definitely not a crook like Zaka Ashraf) is required.

In case ICC moves the tournament out:

They cannot. If India pulls out, still play the tournament. Give up your share of the profits. Do everything to make it happen. If it does not, then simply boycott and refuse to play any tournament in India. Simple. Respect over everything.

What if India wins WC23 and England stand 9th on the points table. How good of a tournament will it be for Pakistan to host CT without the world Champions and the England team?

 

[adi_62941]

I believe that we don't have a competent administrator who can chair the cricket board and make sensible and diplomatic decisions in favor of our cricket. The selection of our cricket chairman always seems to be a process of appointment rather than election (I am aware that there is an election process, but it appears to be more of a formality after the Prime Minister announces the selection).

Of course, India is unlikely to come to Pakistan, citing security reasons, unless they have an opposition party government in India (which doesn't seem likely) or our elected political government takes proactive steps to reach out to Indian counterparts to mutually improve relations. Consequently, the matches could be hosted in two venues, Karachi and Dubai. One group, consisting of India, would play all their matches in Dubai, while the other group would play in Karachi. The details of the semifinals and finals need to be discussed

 

[ExpressPacer]

Honest practical opinion with no accusations , chest thumping, who is right or wrong or politics in play etc. Just a practical approach.

- Ind is not touring Pak for the 2025 CT. Period. No matter what. Not debating the politics, morality etc etc. It's just the fact. Pak has to accept it. If Pak does not accept the fact then the only option they have is to host the CT without Ind. Without Ind the tournament is just not financially viable and that's a fact . Also a lot of the teams may decide not to participate in order to escape the wrath of the bcci - again whether it's fair, correct etc etc is beyond the scope here - just a fact. So Pak loses out big time . And for a lot of guys who say Pak shouldnt care etc etc - the funds PCB generates is not just about Ind , it;s to develop their grassroots structure, PCB operating costs, players salaries domestic and international etc. So Pak losing the CT should not be an option.

- Or accept the fact that Ind will not tour. Now whats best ? How does Park work it out ? My advice would be just accept Ind is not touring and work something out with the bCCI ahead of schedule and not last minute. Discuss with bcci. Agree with them that Ind will not tour Pak. Dont bash them publicly - again being practical.. Work with bcci on the best option. My suggestion would be to discuss with bcci - to host all Pak games in Pak ; all Ind games in Ind ( yes in Ind) incl the Ind-Pak game ( have to make sure Ind Pak are in same group LOL to milk it to the max & schedule it in Ahmedabad ; 1sf held in Ind ( if Ind qualifies ) and 1 sf in Pak ( if Pak qualifies unless its an Ind-Pak sf which will be in Ind and again bcci can milk it lol! ) and the final in Ind. ( again incase Ind qualifies. If Ind doesnt reach the final , cant move the venue last min to Pak for logistics)

This way Pak gets a vast majority of the games, BCCIs ego is satisfied, Ind-Pak game milked max , PCB makes money, BCCI as well, other teams are happy to tour.. Win win for all. Easiest practical approach ( leave politics, egos, whos right whos wrong, jingositic talk etc etc aside and both parties can claim victory)

POTW for me.

If only you had suggested that the entire tournament is shifted to India, I would have argued this was a top contender for Post of the YEAR. Nevertheless, great effort, deltexas. You should consider a career in international diplomacy because of your paramount impartiality.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Honest practical opinion with no accusations , chest thumping, who is right or wrong or politics in play etc. Just a practical approach.

- Ind is not touring Pak for the 2025 CT. Period. No matter what. Not debating the politics, morality etc etc. It's just the fact. Pak has to accept it. If Pak does not accept the fact then the only option they have is to host the CT without Ind. Without Ind the tournament is just not financially viable and that's a fact . Also a lot of the teams may decide not to participate in order to escape the wrath of the bcci - again whether it's fair, correct etc etc is beyond the scope here - just a fact. So Pak loses out big time . And for a lot of guys who say Pak shouldnt care etc etc - the funds PCB generates is not just about Ind , it;s to develop their grassroots structure, PCB operating costs, players salaries domestic and international etc. So Pak losing the CT should not be an option.

- Or accept the fact that Ind will not tour. Now whats best ? How does Park work it out ? My advice would be just accept Ind is not touring and work something out with the bCCI ahead of schedule and not last minute. Discuss with bcci. Agree with them that Ind will not tour Pak. Dont bash them publicly - again being practical.. Work with bcci on the best option. My suggestion would be to discuss with bcci - to host all Pak games in Pak ; all Ind games in Ind ( yes in Ind) incl the Ind-Pak game ( have to make sure Ind Pak are in same group LOL to milk it to the max & schedule it in Ahmedabad ; 1sf held in Ind ( if Ind qualifies ) and 1 sf in Pak ( if Pak qualifies unless its an Ind-Pak sf which will be in Ind and again bcci can milk it lol! ) and the final in Ind. ( again incase Ind qualifies. If Ind doesnt reach the final , cant move the venue last min to Pak for logistics)

This way Pak gets a vast majority of the games, BCCIs ego is satisfied, Ind-Pak game milked max , PCB makes money, BCCI as well, other teams are happy to tour.. Win win for all. Easiest practical approach ( leave politics, egos, whos right whos wrong, jingositic talk etc etc aside and both parties can claim victory)

Exclude India from the tournament.

 

[nish_mate]

POTW for me.

If only you had suggested that the entire tournament is shifted to India, I would have argued this was a top contender for Post of the YEAR. Nevertheless, great effort, deltexas. You should consider a career in international diplomacy because of your paramount impartiality.

Shift CT to India, no thank you. Not sure if BCCI's heart's in organising a 50 over tourney again and educating our birds on toilet etiquette.

CT needs to be held in Pakistan and if BCCI refuses, rest of CW needs to grow a pair and tell them to bugger off. BCCI needs to be cut down a size or two, even sane Indian fans will be grateful for that.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Couple of things:

Stadiums:

England organized the whole CT in two stadiums, we can simply organize it in Lahore, Rawalpindi and Multan/Karachi. No issues here. The rhona dhona needs to stop. All 4 stadiums are good quality. Rawalpindi will probably be upgraded by 2025.


Teams:

England not qualifying will be a huge bummer. I personally like them a lot and the brand of cricket they play. However whatever teams qualify, i can predict this to be a highly succesful tournament.

Security and Finances:

By 2025, Pakistan will have an elected govt which will want such a flagship event to be organized in the country. Money and security expenses dont matter here. It will he covered. Even making zero profit here is worth it with the kind of strong symbolic message and contribution this tournament will provide Pakistan with.

This is the sole reason India will create hell for Pakistan as they want complete isolation of Pakistan in the world. They know the symbolic importance of this tournament and will try their level best to sabotage it. A strong willed administration (definitely not a crook like Zaka Ashraf) is required.

In case ICC moves the tournament out:

They cannot. If India pulls out, still play the tournament. Give up your share of the profits. Do everything to make it happen. If it does not, then simply boycott and refuse to play any tournament in India. Simple. Respect over everything.

Without India CT will lose most of its revenue. PCB needs to find a way to make up this revenue shortfall.

They should ask the government for help. Reach out to all Pakistani corporates to chip in.

Raise money via subscription.

If PCB is able to make up the revenue shortfall, CT will be held in Pakistan.

Threats of boycott won't work with BCCI. BCCI has long insulated itself from Pakistan Cricket.

So PCB must convince the ICC members that the losses will be made up by PCB.

 

[asfandyar]

Pakistan team came to India let's see if india does the same this time excuses won't work

India have reneged on their word before and they'll renege again. The bigger problem is Pakistanis falling for the trap every time, just like they believed Imran's collusion-defection drama was the first one in Pakistan's history, when it had already happened with Nawaz, Altaf and Bhutto. Dopamine gets them every time.

 

[saqib.rai]

Without India CT will lose most of its revenue. PCB needs to find a way to make up this revenue shortfall.

They should ask the government for help. Reach out to all Pakistani corporates to chip in.

Raise money via subscription.

If PCB is able to make up the revenue shortfall, CT will be held in Pakistan.

Threats of boycott won't work with BCCI. BCCI has long insulated itself from Pakistan Cricket.

So PCB must convince the ICC members that the losses will be made up by PCB.

It's a meaningless tournament

Held in England 3 times, the final NEVER played at Lords

Held in India, final played at a secondary stadium in Mumbai and not Wankadhe

Held in South Africa, final not played in Johannesburg

So most probably would be played in a hybrid model with Pakistan and Dubai co-hosting in 2025

And I believe CT is also to be held in 2029 in India, that time India would also agree to give neutral venue to Pakistan unlike the 2023 WC

 

[Saanji]

What if India wins WC23 and England stand 9th on the points table. How good of a tournament will it be for Pakistan to host CT without the world Champions and the England team?

If india doesn't play, England will replace india.
For your scenario England should end up last in this world cup

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's a meaningless tournament

Held in England 3 times, the final NEVER played at Lords

Held in India, final played at a secondary stadium in Mumbai and not Wankadhe

Held in South Africa, final not played in Johannesburg

So most probably would be played in a hybrid model with Pakistan and Dubai co-hosting in 2025

And I believe CT is also to be held in 2029 in India, that time India would also agree to give neutral venue to Pakistan unlike the 2023 WC

2026 WT20
2029 CT
2031 WC

All will be in India. Don't think India will be giving any neutral venues. Pakistan may want to boycott the tournament. BCCI may well pay ICC the losses.

 

[Saanji]

And I believe CT is also to be held in 2029 in India, that time India would also agree to give neutral venue to Pakistan

Why will BCCI be so generous to Pakistan? Will something change by then?

 

[saqib.rai]

2026 WT20
2029 CT
2031 WC

All will be in India. Don't think India will be giving any neutral venues. Pakistan may want to boycott the tournament. BCCI may well pay ICC the losses.

No. The t20 WC and the ODI WC have Sri Lanka and Bangladesh as joint hosts

 

[cricketjoshila]

No. The t20 WC and the ODI WC have Sri Lanka and Bangladesh as joint hosts

So pakistan wont play if they qualify for the Knockouts which are likely to be held in India?

 

[saqib.rai]

Why will BCCI be so generous to Pakistan? Will something change by then?

The 2018 Asia Cup was to be held in India. India agreed to shift it to the UAE as Pakistan had reservations traveling.
They did as Asia Cup is a meaningless tournament ×2

As I mentioned, Champions Trophy is also a meaningless tournament.

3 times held in England without even one final played at Lords
When held in India and South Africa, the finals again were not played at primary venues

So BCCI wouldn't shift the whole tournament to a neutral venue like the Asia Cup But instead would agree on a hybrid model in 2029

The World Cup is not a meaningless tournament that is why BCCI was adamant in holding it completely in India which it did.

 

[saqib.rai]

So pakistan wont play if they qualify for the Knockouts which are likely to be held in India?

Would travel for knockouts like we did in 2011.
Group matches in Bangladesh in ODI WC/Sri Lanka in t20 WC would give us face saving.

You need to understand PCB wants only revenue. They don't care about "pride of nation" lol BUT need face saving as well. BCCI and ICC also realize this.

 

[deltexas]

They want to be a world power but also want to be handled with kid gloves and never criticized. It’s clear India is not ready for prime time. They don’t know how to play the game on the world stage and it’s why their GDP is slowing and they’re increasingly facing isolation from the West. Nationalism is poison for all growing economies.

The game should be in Pakistan period. At this point, if they don’t host it there let the farce be exposed for what it is. ODI cricket is dead anyway, no one will care about the 2025 tournament.

Again as I said

POTW for me.

If only you had suggested that the entire tournament is shifted to India, I would have argued this was a top contender for Post of the YEAR. Nevertheless, great effort, deltexas. You should consider a career in international diplomacy because of your paramount impartiality.

As I said in my initial sentence it's not about impartiality or diplomacy etc etc.. just stated the option for the best financial returns.
Also as said above, not sure Ind would be interested in co hosting a 50 over tournament. Dubai is the best option as a hybrid model and looks to be the most likely option as it appeals to both pak and ind. And it's in February as well - so hot weather is not an issue in Dubai. And most likely it will be 2 or 3 venues in Pak which will host all the non Dubai games.

And also going by your post - don't think I will have a career in international diplomacy

 

[deltexas]

Exclude India from the tournament.

And that would be ok I guess i don't know. The issue is the other countries and even pcb will not be ok with it as the revenue from the ct goes vastly to pcb and other countries. For all his bravado as former pcb chairman rameez raja is now shamelessly a commentator in India for the WC. And zaka Sharif for all his d mulk talk also shamelessly partied with the bcci brass and thay is a slap on the pak public honestly.

As pak supporters - guys should be upset at pcb and not icc for all the shenanigans. Pcb 100% knew ind would not tour pak for Asia cup yet it did all the drama and hoodwinked and honestly cheated the pak public. The pak public will have moral views but there is no morality in pcb and will guarantee you that they will do all the same drama in 2025 and ultimately bend over backwards to accommodate the bcci.. in that case the pcb is neither honest with pak public nor smart - both of which should be a concern to the pak public.

 

[7sins]

And what will you do if they don't come?

I can't see it happening as things stand.

And Pakistan showed the world they are willing to bend over for the ACC to accomodate India.

Lol as if we're suddenly going to find our spine by the time 2025 comes.

For me I literally don't give a damn about them playing in pakistan or not for the champions trophy either they will come or not it's there loss why would I worry about that? We will still have a top tournament with all the other top teams