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tyron_woodley said:
can? nope. will defintiely get clobbered into oblivion. I am sure starc will make up injury excuses and try to avoid india. Hazelwood is another dud in india. I am sure he will get pummelled.
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8 wickets in 2 tests in India. 30 avg
7 wickets in 2 tests in bangadesh 29 avg

Far from a clobbering
 
tyron_woodley said:
can? nope. will defintiely get clobbered into oblivion. I am sure starc will make up injury excuses and try to avoid india. Hazelwood is another dud in india. I am sure he will get pummelled.
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I'm not sure about "definitely". Will expect him to do better than Hazlewood.

Actually, Hazlewood has done OK, not terribly bad in IND - with an average of 32, same in SL. He averages less than 30 in only two countries though - his own Aus and then ENG.
 
sindhiboy said:
8 wickets in 2 tests in India. 30 avg
7 wickets in 2 tests in bangadesh 29 avg

Far from a clobbering
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he barely played. He did struggle from what I remember. Will get pasted next time anyway. That indian side was weaker than kohli's india.
 
Yep, a proper bowlers worth is who ever masters all conditions, that's why imran , wasim, waqar, marshall were the best quicks I've seen
 
tyron_woodley said:
can? nope. will defintiely get clobbered into oblivion. I am sure starc will make up injury excuses and try to avoid india. Hazelwood is another dud in india. I am sure he will get pummelled.
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Cummins is one bowler in the world that is brilliant in all conditions. He was one of the main factors in Australia winning in India in the odi series.
 
Brilliant brilliant bowler. Love the intensity which he bowls at. If he can stay fit he will have a claim to being up there with McGrath and Wasim.
 
Have they had the ICC awards yet?

He should get Test Player of the Year.
 
Cummins is a beast goes all day long and is always fiery, he out think batsmen, and he has some awesome backup in Patto, Hazlewood, Starc.
 
Cummins took 70 consecutive wickets with an lbw before breaking it in his last innings.

Crazy stat.
 
Mean&Green said:
Cummins is one bowler in the world that is brilliant in all conditions. He was one of the main factors in Australia winning in India in the odi series.
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that's odi. india is a behemoth in tests at home. He will get destroyed just like every other bowler that tours. rohit alone will pummel him back to Australia.

That's why steyn is special. Wasim too. Only 2 bowlers that were good everywhere. Cummins doesn't have the skillset to be as good as the aforementioned 2 in india.
 
tyron_woodley said:
that's odi. india is a behemoth in tests at home. He will get destroyed just like every other bowler that tours. rohit alone will pummel him back to Australia.

That's why steyn is special. Wasim too. Only 2 bowlers that were good everywhere. Cummins doesn't have the skillset to be as good as the aforementioned 2 in india.
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Let's see what he does,and when he does well in India 2 years later make sure you have to appreciate him.
 
andy0204 said:
Let's see what he does,and when he does well in India 2 years later make sure you have to appreciate him.
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I highly doubt it. he played vs Rahul, iyer and dhawan and even rohit. None who are test calibre. I don't think he will succeed in india just like every other bowler of 2010 era barring steyn.
 
What a gun, easily the best in the world by a country mile, he can bat, gun fielder and is so good with the ball in his hand.

Coming back after 6 years out of the game through injuries, what an inspiration.
 
tyron_woodley said:
that's odi. india is a behemoth in tests at home. He will get destroyed just like every other bowler that tours. rohit alone will pummel him back to Australia.

That's why steyn is special. Wasim too. Only 2 bowlers that were good everywhere. Cummins doesn't have the skillset to be as good as the aforementioned 2 in india.
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Except Wasim wasn't great everywhere, and McGrath, Marshall and Hadlee were
 
[MENTION=150610]tyron_woodley[/MENTION] you are so wrong about Cummins bro he’s the only bowler in the world right now that is a all conditions bowler. That pace and consistent line and length will trouble any batsman in the world regardless of the surface he’s way too adamant on that line he has more patience than the indian batsmen especially the likes of rohit who is a mediocre test bat lucky he got that double hundred it was in India he would have scored ducks had it been South Africa or Australia.
 
Mean&Green said:
[MENTION=150610]tyron_woodley[/MENTION] you are so wrong about Cummins bro he’s the only bowler in the world right now that is a all conditions bowler. That pace and consistent line and length will trouble any batsman in the world regardless of the surface he’s way too adamant on that line he has more patience than the indian batsmen especially the likes of rohit who is a mediocre test bat lucky he got that double hundred it was in India he would have scored ducks had it been South Africa or Australia.
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he is not good enough in sub continent pitches though in test cricket. Proper low bouncy flat wickets or rank turners he will struggle.

India in odi's prepare true bouncy flat wickets. Some rank turners here and there but most countries these days play on flat ones. Ofcourse he would do well there.
 
tyron_woodley said:
he is not good enough in sub continent pitches though in test cricket. Proper low bouncy flat wickets or rank turners he will struggle.

India in odi's prepare true bouncy flat wickets. Some rank turners here and there but most countries these days play on flat ones. Ofcourse he would do well there.
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We will wait and see he destroyed India in the last odi series also they couldn’t score a run off of him in the last odi his economy was like 3 until thakur edged like two fours off of him slashing the ball which shouldn’t really be taken against him.
 
Mean&Green said:
We will wait and see he destroyed India in the last odi series also they couldn’t score a run off of him in the last odi his economy was like 3 until thakur edged like two fours off of him slashing the ball which shouldn’t really be taken against him.
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that's odi bro. even starc is good in odi.
 
Mean&Green said:
Starc is good in test too even Hazlewood is I just saw his record I was surprised the amount of wickets he has in Odis though I have never even seen him play an odi ever as of yet
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starc is mediocre outside australia in tests. austrslia n.z thats it. in South Africa he is alright as well. Same with hazelwood. they aren't good outside SENA.

Same rules should apply to SENA bowlers. They aren't special. Many fans have this terrible habit of underrating sub continent bowlers because they haven't been as effective in australia and south africa. in sub continent, often its the sub continent bowlers that have performed the best. Plenty of sub continent bowlers have performed well in England and n.z. Only in South Africa and australia did they struggle. Vice versa for the these so called 'great bowlers' from australia.
 
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tyron_woodley said:
starc is mediocre outside australia in tests. austrslia n.z thats it. in South Africa he is alright as well. Same with hazelwood. they aren't good outside SENA.

Same rules should apply to SENA bowlers. They aren't special. Many fans have this terrible habit of underrating sub continent bowlers because they haven't been as effective in australia and south africa. in sub continent, often its the sub continent bowlers that have performed the best. Plenty of sub continent bowlers have performed well in England and n.z. Only in South Africa and australia did they struggle. Vice versa for the these so called 'great bowlers' from australia.
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Who are the sub con bowlers that have performed well in England and NZ.
 
tyron_woodley said:
starc is mediocre outside australia in tests. austrslia n.z thats it. in South Africa he is alright as well. Same with hazelwood. they aren't good outside SENA.

Same rules should apply to SENA bowlers. They aren't special. Many fans have this terrible habit of underrating sub continent bowlers because they haven't been as effective in australia and south africa. in sub continent, often its the sub continent bowlers that have performed the best. Plenty of sub continent bowlers have performed well in England and n.z. Only in South Africa and australia did they struggle. Vice versa for the these so called 'great bowlers' from australia.
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Completely agree. Bowlers like Anderson, Philander get overrated. Starc averages over 50 in Ind, UAE. That's worse than Ashwin and he (understandably) gets a huge amount of hate.

Hazlewood isn't too bad in Asia surprisingly, bowlers of that style like him, McGrath, Pollock tend to travel well.
 
tyron_woodley said:
starc is mediocre outside australia in tests. austrslia n.z thats it. in South Africa he is alright as well. Same with hazelwood. they aren't good outside SENA.

Same rules should apply to SENA bowlers. They aren't special. Many fans have this terrible habit of underrating sub continent bowlers because they haven't been as effective in australia and south africa. in sub continent, often its the sub continent bowlers that have performed the best. Plenty of sub continent bowlers have performed well in England and n.z. Only in South Africa and australia did they struggle. Vice versa for the these so called 'great bowlers' from australia.
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The main issue with starc and Hazelwood is their inconsistency.

They are either garbage or the best

Starc got 23 wickets in 3 tests in sri lanka, which is remarkable. But he has also been thrashed every other test he has played in asia.
Hazlewood got a 6 fer on an absolute rank turner in banglore, but got thrashed in every other test he has played in the subcontinent as well.

They have also been outbowled by South Africa and india both home and away. So i don't see why they are the best seamers in the world.
 
sindhiboy said:
The main issue with starc and Hazelwood is their inconsistency.

They are either garbage or the best

Starc got 23 wickets in 3 tests in sri lanka, which is remarkable. But he has also been thrashed every other test he has played in asia.
Hazlewood got a 6 fer on an absolute rank turner in banglore, but got thrashed in every other test he has played in the subcontinent as well.

They have also been outbowled by South Africa and india both home and away. So i don't see why they are the best seamers in the world.
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they aren't. until they can prove in india they aren't. Plus they don't even have to face the world's best batsman aka smith.
 
tyron_woodley said:
they aren't. until they can prove in india they aren't. Plus they don't even have to face the world's best batsman aka smith.
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How someone can face their own bowlers,use commonsense it's like saying Ponting didn't face McGrath,Warne,Lara didn't face Ambrose,Kallis didn't face Steyn,Donald.
 
tyron_woodley said:
they aren't. until they can prove in india they aren't. Plus they don't even have to face the world's best batsman aka smith.
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You do have a good point, a mark of a truly great bowler is to be able to perform on all conditions he's presented with regarding the wickets, hence Steyn is no doubt the best quick I've seen in a long time in tests
 
andy0204 said:
How someone can face their own bowlers,use commonsense it's like saying Ponting didn't face McGrath,Warne,Lara didn't face Ambrose,Kallis didn't face Steyn,Donald.
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are you dumb or are you acting dumb?

they don't play against the best batsman except in shield where they struggle to get him out. Warner too. So they aren't good enough against the two best players in Australian conditions. One of them happens to be the best in the world.

put it this way. imagine if prime tenda dint have to play the great mcgrath in international matches. You think he csnt pad up his record even more by facing the 90s era of indian bowling?

All teams are not even. That's why a better way to judge indian bowlers vs Australian bowlers would be against the rest of the field meaning other countries apart from these 2.

We know india is a behemoth at home in tests and pretty good away.

Australia is a monster at home but they can be beaten as proven by south africa and india if the tosses go against them. In india tosses wouldn't matter. Australia is also good away but suspect in subcontinent. India is suspect vs swing.
 
Manunited18 said:
You do have a good point, a mark of a truly great bowler is to be able to perform on all conditions he's presented with regarding the wickets, hence Steyn is no doubt the best quick I've seen in a long time in tests
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steyn is GOAT absolutely. Performed everywhere. Won everywhere. Legend. best of the best. All time legend. Greatest of all time.
 
tyron_woodley said:
are you dumb or are you acting dumb?

they don't play against the best batsman except in shield where they struggle to get him out. Warner too. So they aren't good enough against the two best players in Australian conditions. One of them happens to be the best in the world.

put it this way. imagine if prime tenda dint have to play the great mcgrath in international matches. You think he csnt pad up his record even more by facing the 90s era of indian bowling?

All teams are not even. That's why a better way to judge indian bowlers vs Australian bowlers would be against the rest of the field meaning other countries apart from these 2.

We know india is a behemoth at home in tests and pretty good away.

Australia is a monster at home but they can be beaten as proven by south africa and india if the tosses go against them. In india tosses wouldn't matter. Australia is also good away but suspect in subcontinent. India is suspect vs swing.
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Wait they struggle to take wicket of Warner in shield cricket,Well Smith,Warner,Cummins,Starc, Hazlewood,Cummins play for same team even in Shield Cricket🤣🤣,
Stop talking nonsense do some research.
 
tyron_woodley said:
abbas, asif, amir, wasim, waqar in his prime, imran, bhuvi,
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Wasim averages 28 in England, good but not spectacular for a country known for low totals.
Abbas has done well in England, but horrible in Aus
Waqar averages 27 in England, and even in his prime averaged 25. Good, but not great
Imran averages 25, again very good.

None of these averages are comparative to McGrath (average of 21 in India), or Hadlee (average of 22 in India) or Steyn (average of 21 in India).

A good way to compare it is to look at averages away from home. McGrath averages 21, Hadlee averages 22, Marshall averages 22, Steyn averages 24 (not as good but in batting era), Cummins averages 22

To compare, Imran averages 26, Wasim averages 25 and Waqar averages 26. It is not racism or any other crap. The above bowlers have done better in varied conditions to these pakistani bowlers.
 
therealAB said:
Wasim averages 28 in England, good but not spectacular for a country known for low totals.
Abbas has done well in England, but horrible in Aus
Waqar averages 27 in England, and even in his prime averaged 25. Good, but not great
Imran averages 25, again very good.

None of these averages are comparative to McGrath (average of 21 in India), or Hadlee (average of 22 in India) or Steyn (average of 21 in India).

A good way to compare it is to look at averages away from home. McGrath averages 21, Hadlee averages 22, Marshall averages 22, Steyn averages 24 (not as good but in batting era), Cummins averages 22

To compare, Imran averages 26, Wasim averages 25 and Waqar averages 26. It is not racism or any other crap. The above bowlers have done better in varied conditions to these pakistani bowlers.
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better than hazelwood and starc. that's who I referee to.

mcgrath is an all time great. far better than any bowler not named steyn. Cummins is a nobody next to mcgrath. Long way to go.
 
andy0204 said:
Wait they struggle to take wicket of Warner in shield cricket,Well Smith,Warner,Cummins,Starc, Hazlewood,Cummins play for same team even in Shield Cricket🤣🤣,
Stop talking nonsense do some research.
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the point is they don't face them. So you are better off comparing their record vs the rest of the field (other countries) when you compare the Australian bowlers to Indians or Pakistanis.

They look better than they are cause of smith and warner in australia. That's the whole point.
 
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tyron_woodley said:
better than hazelwood and starc. that's who I referee to.

mcgrath is an all time great. far better than any bowler not named steyn. Cummins is a nobody next to mcgrath. Long way to go.
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Agree cummins is a nobody, just responding to accusations that SENA bowler's aren't held to same standards
 
Never seen Cummins being taken apart like this today like Sharma and Kohli are doing tonight.

He might never be the same again
 
happens to even the best bowlers. He had 2 off games. 2nd game not so much as he was reasonably economical.

in odi and tests bumrah shami cummins are still the best in the world. followed by guys like rabada etc.
 
very poor by Cummins, a combination of lack of variety and heavy workload ver past two months. Should be rested for upcoming ODI's
 
shah_1 said:
He had a pretty average ODI world cup, and doesn’t have the variety on these flat pitches(a quality Yorker and slower ball)
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He has a pretty good ODI record overall. Tests is his stronger suit though.
 
tyron_woodley said:
happens to even the best bowlers. He had 2 off games. 2nd game not so much as he was reasonably economical.

in odi and tests bumrah shami cummins are still the best in the world. followed by guys like rabada etc.
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Agree with bumrah, but as for Cummins like Steyn and Anderson his strong suit is test cricket, he's to predictable in limited overs
 
Manunited18 said:
Agree with bumrah, but as for Cummins like Steyn and Anderson his strong suit is test cricket, he's to predictable in limited overs
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nah he will come around. cummins is an amazing bowler in all formats. Still think he is better than that overrated lanklet hazelwood and starc who gets bashed around by any good team.

starc is so overrated and rofl at people comparing a player of his pathetic caliber to wasim akram. It's a joke. Dude only performs in the world cup. You know why? cause he has ample rest. His workload is low compared to the real top bowlers hence the performances. Had he played more games, his average would rise much higher and won't be anywhere near the real top bowlers who have very minimal rest prior to a world cup due to a difficult work schedule.
 
It was a bad day for him but he is an excellent bowler. Starc is better than him in ODI cricket but he also was taken apart.
 
tyron_woodley said:
nah he will come around. cummins is an amazing bowler in all formats. Still think he is better than that overrated lanklet hazelwood and starc who gets bashed around by any good team.

starc is so overrated and rofl at people comparing a player of his pathetic caliber to wasim akram. It's a joke. Dude only performs in the world cup. You know why? cause he has ample rest. His workload is low compared to the real top bowlers hence the performances. Had he played more games, his average would rise much higher and won't be anywhere near the real top bowlers who have very minimal rest prior to a world cup due to a difficult work schedule.
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You are getting mixed up here, Cummins in limited overs is good but not top notch

Starc is a absolute champion in limited overs cricket, performed well in the last world cup and the world cup before in Australia where he led Australia to the cup, and his record is brilliant
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He has to bowl yorkers more and learn how to bowl slower ones two of the important balls
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he can bowl slower balls, like he did year ago last series in india.

but he has completely given up on yorkers for some reason, which he used to bowl in 2014-2015.

he used to be a much better limited overs bowler, his test prominence has declined his limited overs form
 
he is mainly a test bowler, not saying he should never play limited overs like broad or anderson, but he should not play random 3 match odi series like the recent one vs india.
 
I hope aus play jhye richardson quickly in all 3 formats. He has got better yorker and slower ball than cummins for limited overs and with bit more experience he will be better than cummins.
 
Sam99 said:
I hope aus play jhye richardson quickly in all 3 formats. He has got better yorker and slower ball than cummins for limited overs and with bit more experience he will be better than cummins.
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Yes very highly skilled
 
Manunited18 said:
You are getting mixed up here, Cummins in limited overs is good but not top notch

Starc is a absolute champion in limited overs cricket, performed well in the last world cup and the world cup before in Australia where he led Australia to the cup, and his record is brilliant
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yea only because of his workload management. he plays way less games. That's the only reason. otherwise his average would be near 28. Other top bowlers get way less rest because they play more bilaterals, cup tournaments, tests, t20 in Ipl other leagues etc. Unlike starc.
 
Sam99 said:
I hope aus play jhye richardson quickly in all 3 formats. He has got better yorker and slower ball than cummins for limited overs and with bit more experience he will be better than cummins.
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he is skilled. but he breaks down easy and gets tired far too quick. oh wait you mean for odi? Not tests? yea odi he would be good.
 
Australia's leading fast bowler Pat Cummins said coronavirus lockdowns would make it “tight” for the big-money Indian Premier League (IPL) to go ahead this month as planned, leaving some of cricket's biggest stars in limbo.

“They obviously haven't cancelled it or anything like that yet. It's still a bit of a holding pattern,” the Kolkata Knight Riders-contracted Cummins said, speaking from home isolation near Sydney.

“We're in contact with our teams every few days. Obviously, everyone's still really keen for it to all go ahead,” he said, “but you know the priority is to minimise risk of (coronavirus) spreading.”

Play is scheduled to start on April 15, the day after India's three-week lockdown is due to end and two months before restrictions on Australians travelling overseas could be lifted.

“I don't expect anything too soon to happen,” Cummins said, hinting at a possible delay. “I mean obviously the preference would be to be over there playing but... I guess the silver lining is that we do get a bit of a break.”

The start of the IPL season had already been pushed back from March 29 until April 15 “as a precautionary measure” over the coronavirus, the Indian cricket board said.

Even if the tournament does start after April 15, it could be without fans in the stadium and it is not clear that Australian players could attend with travel restrictions still in place.

The two-month tournament is a huge revenue earner. It is estimated to generate more than $11 billion for the Indian economy and involves cricket's top international stars like England's Ben Stokes, Australia's David Warner and Indian captain Virat Kohli.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...-david-warner-virat-kohli/article31243868.ece
 
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Australia bowler Pat Cummins says he would support the Indian Premier League being played behind closed doors if it is not safe for fans to attend matches.

The IPL season was postponed from 29 March until 15 April because of coronavirus, but is expected to be further delayed or cancelled with India’s lockdown set to be extended.

Asked whether he would support games without fans, Cummins told the BBC's Stumped podcast: "Of course - whatever it takes to try and get cricket up and play those big events safely."

Cricket in the UK has been postponed until at least 28 May, with England's first game scheduled to start on 4 June.

Cummins, the top-ranked bowler in Test cricket and named one of Wisden’s five cricketers of the year this week, has a £1.7m contract with the Kolkata Knight Riders, making him the most expensive overseas player in IPL history.

The 26-year-old said he was "super hopeful" the tournament will go ahead but that he would be "surprised if it happened soon".

"The first priority is safety but the second one is getting back to normality, finding that balance," he said.

"If that unfortunately means no crowds for a while, then that is that, but hopefully people can watch at home on TV.

"It would have a totally different feel about it. When people ask about the difference between playing cricket in India the first thing is the crowd.

"They scream every single ball whether it’s a six or a wicket - it's the same noise every ball - so that atmosphere is something that we love about playing in India.

"It will be missed in the short term if it can't happen, but I have no doubt it will be a great event even if it has to be played without crowds."

The IPL, which is set to feature 60 20-over matches, was originally scheduled to finish on 24 May.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/52233074
 
Australia's Pat Cummins, the world's No. 1 Test bowler, has indicated that reverse swing is unlikely to play a big part during the entirety of the Border-Gavaskar Trophy later this year. Looking at the return to play, Cummins said the team will spend the next couple of months preparing for a possible white-ball tour of England.

Excerpts from the interview:

Managing the workloads of the bowlers is an important aspect of resumption. As a fast bowler, how are you ensuring a smooth transition from the forced break?

We aren’t scheduled to play Test matches until November so most likely our first couple of tours back will be white-ball cricket, which is a bit easier physically to be ready for. Despite this, we started light bowling last week and will spend the next couple of months to build up.

With the saliva ban now in place, do you feel that reverse-swing will come into play in Australia's home Tests this summer?

Reverse swing has never been a huge player here in Australia. I think not being able to shine the ball will have a great effect on swinging the ball naturally.

Does the manner of shining the ball vary depending on its type? How do different balls react to shining?

From my limited experience I’ve found the dukes ball to shine up really well, when at times, the Kookaburra and SG balls scuff up and are harder to shine back to good condition. A lot of this has to do with the course pitches in these countries also.

Will you be willing to take part in the IPL should this year's T20 World Cup be postponed?

For sure, I’m really excited to hear that the IPL is planned to go ahead.

Has there been any communication from the Knight Riders management regarding when exactly the T20 League could take place?

Yes, we are obviously waiting for confirmation either way regarding the T20 World Cup. This may provide a window where we can play the IPL, so let’s see what the next few weeks bring us!

Do you reckon an atmosphere devoid of the noise and energy of a crowd to play to, will make India's captain Virat Kohli slightly vulnerable? Considering Virat's knack to thrive in combative environments.

I wouldn’t go that far, it will just require players to find other ways to motivate themselves other than just riding off the crowd. But the crowd are normally just one aspect of our motivation, I’m sure we’ll be fine.

Cheteshwar Pujara proved the immovable object for the Australian bowling attack in 2018-19. Do you reckon he flies under the radar a little bit when you look at the Indian side?

He’s a class player and a no-fuss type batsman. Not sure if he goes under the radar we certainly understand his quality.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...pl-2020-knight-riders-kkr/article31866683.ece
 
Australia speedster Pat Cummins expectedly considers Virat Kohli the "big" wicket he would target in the upcoming series against India and said that keeping the visiting captain quiet would be crucial to the home team's chances. The Indian cricket team is currently in Australia for a full series that includes three ODIs and as many T20 Internationals followed by a four-Test rubber. The tour will start with the ODIs here on November 27. "I think every side has that one or two batters and they are the big wickets. Most teams have their captain -- Joe Root for England, Kane Williamson for New Zealand. You feel like if you get their wickets that goes a long way in winning the game," Cummins told Fox Cricket.


"He (Kohli) is always a big one. You commentators talk about him non-stop, so hopefully, we can keep him quiet," he added.

Cummins, who has been named in both the white and red-ball squads as vice-captain, is one of the 11 Australian players currently quarantining after returning from the UAE where he played for Kolkata Knight Riders in the IPL.

Their quarantine period will end on the eve of the opening ODI against India at the Sydney Cricket Ground.

"It's good to be back here in Sydney. Obviously, we are locked down but we are let out for couple of hours a day.

"We've been in the middle of it (cricket in bio-secure bubbles) for three or four months now so we're starting to get used to it," he said.

"But it will be weird - we get out Thursday night and then we will go and join the boys at a hotel but there's a good chance we won't see them until we literally turn up to the SCG on Friday."

Cummins said Australia is well prepared to give India a tough fight in the series.

"It's going to be huge. Obviously, we're back here on home soil. other than spending a lot of times in hotels and bubbles I feel like our preparation has actually been really good.

"We went over to the UK and had a good tour there. Most of the boys here have been playing 14 T20 matches in the last few weeks and the other guys coming in will be playing shrewd cricket. So, it feels like we are all firing up and got a lot of stuff behind us," he said.

The imposing pacer said that over the last couple of years, he has developed as a bowler.

"I was probably a bit quicker a few years ago but I feel like in the last couple of years I got better, learning different tempos within the game and also when I am bowling. I feel I got a bit more control on swing and seam," Cummins said.

"Whatever conditions we come up with, I have got a couple of tools I can go to."

https://sports.ndtv.com/australia-v...et-he-would-target-in-upcoming-series-2327840
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Elite grouping from Pat Cummins - eat your heart out Glenn McGrath! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AUSvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AUSvIND</a> live: <a href="https://t.co/LGCJ7zSdrY">https://t.co/LGCJ7zSdrY</a> <a href="https://t.co/C1e7JoKocN">pic.twitter.com/C1e7JoKocN</a></p>— cricket.com.au (@cricketcomau) <a href="https://twitter.com/cricketcomau/status/1339447366894534656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
one of the greatest bowlers of all time. period.

he is easily top 3 greatest australian bowler of all time already. Only mcgrath slightly ahead.
 
Australia understood the urgency of wickets and hence gave the new bowl to Pat Cummins. He is a phenomenal bowler and one of the best of this generation. Not as good in LOIs but still very good.
 
Ab Fan said:
Australia understood the urgency of wickets and hence gave the new bowl to Pat Cummins. He is a phenomenal bowler and one of the best of this generation. Not as good in LOIs but still very good.
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not just this generation. one of the best ever. I am 100% sure he is better than lillee.

almost on par with mcgrath. he is just that good in tests. period. So freakishly skilful. unbelievable.
 
He is very good. But I feel Pattinson can give him a run in Tests when fully fit. He is probably the most well rounded fast bowler in the world considering all formats. Maybe Boult and him are neck to neck.
Needs to master LOI bowling still especially at death.
 
In SENA conditions Pat Cummins is the best bowler ever. One of the greatest of all time imo already. Respect.

The skills I have seen him utilize, his relentlessness and the ability to take pitch out of the equation is unbelievable.

Only bumrah can stop this guy. No one else but Cummins is ahead of bumrah at the moment.oh and rabada too. He can match Cummins eventually.
 
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Someone said Cummins gets hate on pp. That's pretty unbelievable.
Hazlewood was supposed to be the next coming of McGrath. But cummins looks his successor.
Incredibly consistent with his line and length
 
sindhiboy said:
Someone said Cummins gets hate on pp. That's pretty unbelievable.
Hazlewood was supposed to be the next coming of McGrath. But cummins looks his successor.
Incredibly consistent with his line and length
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In terms of style & skill set & pace, Pattinson is more a second coming if Dennis Lillee. Just a complete fast bowler with x factor to burn & a very "classical" style.

McGrath was different. Very skillful but more an Asif style "toy with batsmans technique" style. McGrath didn't always bowl 6 on the same spot, he'd deliberately put each one an inch or two closer or wider to see which one the batsman would leave or play & drag them around the crease that way until they lost their off stump & sense of what was safe & what was not.
 
therealAB said:
How much of Lillee did you watch?
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I know lillee struggled in Pakistan. Enough to write him off.
Cummins struggled a little in India but not as bad as Lille did in Pakistan.

Cummins is playing alongside goat Smith though.
Lille had not much help.

I still believe Cummins is the more complete bowler easily.
 
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