[VIDEOS/ PICTURES] Waqar Younis "Liked that Rizwan stood in the middle and read prayers in front of the Hindus"

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

It was a dumb comment, no argument about that, but all he said was that he was proud that Rizwan was praying in a place where they was predominantly Hindus. It's not like he insulted Hindus, from what I can tell it was more of a compliment to Rizwan's own conviction of his faith. I think as long as he has realised it was a poor statement we can leave it at that. If Pakistan want to sack him, then should do it because he's a poor coach, that statement alone is not really grounds for it.

Everything else you say can be a plausible explanation - but his apology didn't cover it. You did it for him. I disagree on statement not being a ground for it.

 

[Abhilash93]

While there was no point in bringing religion into the picture, what he said was also completely inaccurate. He probably forgot that Indian team also had members from the Sikh and Muslim communities and not only Hindus.

 

[princeuk]

It was wrong of him to say it, Im glad he has apologised though. I have never seen Ghambir and Shewag apologise for their comments.

I too as a muslim have lost respect for Waqar younis but i assure you he does NOT represent all of pakistani supporters, look at the goodwill at the end of the match between players, thats how it should be, i dont care what a stupid ex-cricketer says.

 

[90MPH]

Talking about idiots, what Waqar said, is that not right wing? You do know that Pakistan as a country is deeply right (conservative) wing (more so than BJP/RSS in India or republicans in USA)

Eh no, it shows you actually no very little about Pakistan and some of the political terms especially with reference to it so I will detail them for you.

Pakistan has been more culturally conservative than say India, especially in the last 40 years or so.

However the religious parties have never got into power - all they have is street power.

The PTI government is nowhere near as right wing as the current BJP government by any measure and if you think it is you seriously are either a big BJP supporter (that’s ok but at least admit it) or you have head stuck in the sand thinking everything is worse across the boarder come what may.

What Waqar said was stupid (and like I said I personally wish religion was not thrust so much publicly) but at least he realised what he said afterwards and apologised for it.

The same could not be said for your government, if anything it’s defended by its media cheerleaders whatever they have done in the last 7 years.

 

[RexRex]

The PTI government is nowhere near as right wing as the current BJP government by any measure and if you think it is you seriously are either a big BJP supporter (that’s ok but at least admit it) or you have head stuck in the sand thinking everything is worse across the boarder come what may.

You have a poor understanding of the history and poltics of South Asia. Every political party in Pakistan, including the PTI, is to the right of the BJP but that is a topic for another thrread I guess.

 

[street cricketer]

Eh no, it shows you actually no very little about Pakistan and some of the political terms especially with reference to it so I will detail them for you.

Pakistan has been more culturally conservative than say India, especially in the last 40 years or so.

However the religious parties have never got into power - all they have is street power.

The PTI government is nowhere near as right wing as the current BJP government by any measure and if you think it is you seriously are either a big BJP supporter (that’s ok but at least admit it) or you have head stuck in the sand thinking everything is worse across the boarder come what may.

What Waqar said was stupid (and like I said I personally wish religion was not thrust so much publicly) but at least he realised what he said afterwards and apologised for it.

The same could not be said for your government, if anything it’s defended by its media cheerleaders whatever they have done in the last 7 years.

This is such a false equivalence that I regularly see from Pakistanis and I'm tired of debunking it again and again. India is a secular democracy ruled by a right wing political party. Pakistan is an islamic republic and by definition, a right wing state because it seeks to conserve its majoritarian culture -
Islam . What the BJP strives to achieve or enact laws, Pakistan already has embedded them in its constitution. One is a secular state ruled by far right politician. Other is a religious state. The reason Pakistan doesn't elect religious parties is because the entire system is built on religion in Pakistan. It's like imagine if the secular constitution of India gets abolished and India turns from a secular republic into a Hindu Rashtra tomorrow, and then future Indians 20 years later proudly say we have never elected religious parties into power.

Forget about becoming a secular state, let Imran announce that he plans to turn Pakistan into a secular state separating religion from the state, or even let's not go as drastic, let Imran announce that he plans to abolish the blasphemy law and then watch the support for religious parties in Pakistan rise faster than the debt accumulated by Evergrande.

 

[Buffet]

Matty Hayden used to make a cross every time he got a ton. I don't remember that becoming a topic of political discussion.

It's a bit provocative of Waqar to bring it up in such a way.

+1

Imagine making taunting statements towards other religions using that practice. Waqar has played international cricket for so long. He was also a coach of the international side multiple times. Enough exposure.

 

[Devadwal]

Omg If this is what One World cup Win can do to your thinking? Just think about india 12 WC wins ? Seriously disgusting comment made by Waqar

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Everything else you say can be a plausible explanation - but his apology didn't cover it. You did it for him. I disagree on statement not being a ground for it.

Well if you feel my explanation covers it, then it must have been a pretty convincing one.

 

[Buffet]

Waqar is basically echoing the thoughts of every single Pakistani. We are an extremist nation and denial won’t help.

The only difference is that millions of Pakistanis do not have a platform to express their bigotry and extremism.

However, you can observe it at a fundamental level by the fact that Pakistan is by far the worst country in the world when it comes to the treatment of minorities.

That can't be true. Yes, some PPers in this thread are trying to downplay and justify, but many posters are clearly against it.

 

[Lego20]

Eh no, it shows you actually no very little about Pakistan and some of the political terms especially with reference to it so I will detail them for you.

Pakistan has been more culturally conservative than say India, especially in the last 40 years or so.

However the religious parties have never got into power - all they have is street power.

The PTI government is nowhere near as right wing as the current BJP government by any measure and if you think it is you seriously are either a big BJP supporter (that’s ok but at least admit it) or you have head stuck in the sand thinking everything is worse across the boarder come what may.

What Waqar said was stupid (and like I said I personally wish religion was not thrust so much publicly) but at least he realised what he said afterwards and apologised for it.

The same could not be said for your government, if anything it’s defended by its media cheerleaders whatever they have done in the last 7 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_political_spectrum

"Right-wing politics supports the view that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics, or tradition.[4]: 693, 721 [5][6][7][8][9] Hierarchy and inequality may be seen as natural results of traditional social differences[10][11] or competition in market economies."

The basis of Pakistan state fits this definition to the T.

Not that I am against it. I am myself more on the right.

 

[loves_cricket]

Religion never win or lose on cricket pitch because Religion is above winning or losing.
God does not play so doesn't win or lose.

 

[Saj]

He didn't apologize. He said agar and magar.

And if others don't apologize, it doesn't make Waqar's offense any smaller.

A lot of people bringing in Sehwag, Gambhir etc - which is just whataboutery.

What others say is irrelevant here. What Waqar said is relevant.

He brought the country into disrepute, he didn't represent the true sentiments of Pakistanis.

I don't recall talking to any Pakistani muslim during the match and heard any mention of someone saying Rizwan is praying amongst Hindus. All everyone noticed was him praying, many liked it and moved on. Not one mention of Hindus - until Waqar and the likes of Sh Rashid spoke up about Islam. Even after the match, I didn't see one picture/mention/meme about Rizwan mentioning Hindus.

This is not Pakistani mindset. It is a non bailable offense. It hurts minorities in both countries and gives fuel to the fire to extremists on both sides. He should be sacked.

His apology:

My intentions weren’t like that. I never comment or get involved in religious things. I was very excited as Pakistan had won the match and in that excitement I used words that may have hurt some people’s sentiments. So I apologise if you were offended by my comments. I never meant it and it was heat of the moment and I apologise.

He used the word apologise twice.

Are people expecting him to weep and beg on tv?

 

[Saj]

I wonder if some of these people involved in cricket slating Waqar Younis would have the same stance if it was someone from their own country.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What about Sehwag and Gambhir? You really think they heard firecrackers from their homes when Pakistan won?

They were insinuating that Muslims in India were setting off firecrackers, and even if they were why does it bother them so much?

Yes it actually happened. Multiple people have said it. There are pockets in northern India where this would happen.

 

[ChennaiFan]

It was a dumb comment, no argument about that, but all he said was that he was proud that Rizwan was praying in a place where they was predominantly Hindus. It's not like he insulted Hindus, from what I can tell it was more of a compliment to Rizwan's own conviction of his faith. I think as long as he has realised it was a poor statement we can leave it at that. If Pakistan want to sack him, then should do it because he's a poor coach, that statement alone is not really grounds for it.

This is a fair assessment [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION]. I also thought Waqar did not mean anything bad, but used wrong words. I am not a religious guy and I was not bothered by his statements. However, going by the reactions, his statements apparently hurt people. Hope he learns from the incident.

 

[topspin]

Yes it actually happened. Multiple people have said it. There are pockets in northern India where this would happen.

Maybe they were preparing and practicing for Diwali.

You can't make throw out accusations like this to demonise a whole community of people.

Goes to show all this "I stand up for Shami" bla bla from far-right Hindu nationalists such as Sehwag and Gambhir is nothing more than a sham.

 

[Saj]

Yes it actually happened. Multiple people have said it. There are pockets in northern India where this would happen.

Why aren't they allowed to celebrate how they want?

 

[Thanos]

Maybe they were preparing and practicing for Diwali.

You can't make throw out accusations like this to demonise a whole community of people.

Goes to show all this "I stand up for Shami" bla bla from far-right Hindu nationalists such as Sehwag and Gambhir is nothing more than a sham.

Not every match that India lost against Pakistan happened near Diwali.

 

[Snowflake]

The reaction to some Indians celebrating Pak's victory has been so childish. I expect it from some jingoistic and uber-nationalistic posters here on PP, but for ex-players to have an opinion on it and call for action is just so immature.

Let people celebrate and root for whomever they please!

 

[Snowflake]

His apology:

My intentions weren’t like that. I never comment or get involved in religious things. I was very excited as Pakistan had won the match and in that excitement I used words that may have hurt some people’s sentiments. So I apologise if you were offended by my comments. I never meant it and it was heat of the moment and I apologise.

He used the word apologise twice.

Are people expecting him to weep and beg on tv?

To be honest, [MENTION=20160]Corridor of Uncertainty[/MENTION] does have a point. There was way too much "agar, magar" in his apology. It's great that he apologized, but would've been much better if there were no justifications built into it. He also went on to say that a lot of the reaction is probably because India lost to Pak, clearly indicating that he still isn't fully understanding how wrong and hurtful what he said was.

 

[Snowflake]

Yes it actually happened. Multiple people have said it. There are pockets in northern India where this would happen.

Yeah nbd.

 

[topspin]

Not every match that India lost against Pakistan happened near Diwali.

You know what the irony is.

On one hand you have this prejudice in your mindset but at the same time you also want to be part of the #IstandforShami crowd.

For the love of God, please make your mind up.

 

[Thanos]

Why aren't they allowed to celebrate how they want?

Let's not kid ourselves. We all know, if certain people celebrate defeat of country where they live against a country that is considered enemy, it won't go unnoticed.

 

[Saj]

Let's not kid ourselves. We all know, if certain people celebrate defeat of country where they live against a country that is considered enemy, it won't go unnoticed.

Most countries throughout the world will not care at all if foreigners celebrate a win against the home nation.

 

[Saj]

To be honest, [MENTION=20160]Corridor of Uncertainty[/MENTION] does have a point. There was way too much "agar, magar" in his apology. It's great that he apologized, but would've been much better if there were no justifications built into it. He also went on to say that a lot of the reaction is probably because India lost to Pak, clearly indicating that he still isn't fully understanding how wrong and hurtful what he said was.

He could have just posted a message on twitter and left it at that.

Instead he went on TV and made an apology in person, which I repeat, many people will not have done.

 

[Snowflake]

He could have just posted a message on twitter and left it at that.

Instead he went on TV and made an apology in person, which I repeat, many people will not have done.

I mean, you need to do the right thing, correct? Regardless of what other people would have done or not done. Waqar was way out of the line and should come forth with a sincere apology, without an undertone, on any platform that is most suitable. He did do parts of that but fell short on some.

 

[Snowflake]

Let's not kid ourselves. We all know, if certain people celebrate defeat of country where they live against a country that is considered enemy, it won't go unnoticed.

Certainly won't go unnoticed but calling for prosecution is taking it way overboard.

 

[Thanos]

You know what the irony is.

On one hand you have this prejudice in your mindset but at the same time you also want to be part of the #IstandforShami crowd.

For the love of God, please make your mind up.

If you've already made up your mind and think you know India better than any Indian, then no matter what argument anyone gives, it won't change your mind.
And if you are so naive to think that every Indian blames Shami for India's loss against Pak than I can't help you either.

Social media is full of zaahil people, who got cheap internet access and comment whatever dirt comes to their mind. And that applies to Pak as well.
Not only Shami but Kohli, Hardik, Bhuvi everyone was trollled.
These uncivilized people troll celebrities for whatever reason they can look for.
But that doesn't mean all people thinks the same way.

So for love of god, please grow up.

 

[Thanos]

Most countries throughout the world will not care at all if foreigners celebrate a win against the home nation.

People born in India, holding Indian passport, aadhar card and still living in India are not considered foreigners here.

 

[silentkiller187]

People born in India, holding Indian passport, aadhar card and still living in India are not considered foreigners here.

I was born in the uk have a red passport and have lived here my whole life, I’ve watched plenty of England vs pak series over the years with my English colleagues and friends wearing my green shirt and cheering when Pakistan win, no one has ever said a bad word against me let alone tried to prosecute or cancel me.

The stuff I’m hearing coming out of india at the moment is something you would associate with nazi Germany or North Korea

 

[Saj]

People born in India, holding Indian passport, aadhar card and still living in India are not considered foreigners here.

Ok, but people are surely allowed to support any team they want.

 

[Saj]

I mean, you need to do the right thing, correct? Regardless of what other people would have done or not done. Waqar was way out of the line and should come forth with a sincere apology, without an undertone, on any platform that is most suitable. He did do parts of that but fell short on some.

I think his apology was fine. Social media and television.

 

[street cricketer]

I was born in the uk have a red passport and have lived here my whole life, I’ve watched plenty of England vs pak series over the years with my English colleagues and friends wearing my green shirt and cheering when Pakistan win, no one has ever said a bad word against me let alone tried to prosecute or cancel me.

The stuff I’m hearing coming out of india at the moment is something you would associate with nazi Germany or North Korea

Do you remember the time when a Pakistani Virat Kohli fan got jailed for saying he supports India in cricket.

It's the nature of the third world, one that isn't unique to India in the subcontinent.

 

[Thanos]

Ok, but people are surely allowed to support any team they want.

Tell to this guy.
https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...oisted-tricolour-gets-bail/article8289406.ece

 

[IMMY69]

Tell to this guy.
https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...oisted-tricolour-gets-bail/article8289406.ece

We know the Indian media has a habit of lying through their teeth.
So how about posting a non India source so we can actually verify this.

I mean if it hit Indian News, you can perhaps also let us know what the outcome of the arrest was?
Is this man sitting in jail somewhere?

Any other source will do for me..

Thanks

 

[street cricketer]

We know the Indian media has a habit of lying through their teeth.
So how about posting a non India source so we can actually verify this.

I mean if it hit Indian News, you can perhaps also let us know what the outcome of the arrest was?
Is this man sitting in jail somewhere?

Any other source will do for me..

Thanks

https://www.dawn.com/news/1235827

 

[Thanos]

I was born in the uk have a red passport and have lived here my whole life, I’ve watched plenty of England vs pak series over the years with my English colleagues and friends wearing my green shirt and cheering when Pakistan win, no one has ever said a bad word against me let alone tried to prosecute or cancel me.

The stuff I’m hearing coming out of india at the moment is something you would associate with nazi Germany or North Korea

Because you are still considered of Pak origin.
People I am talking about have no root to Pak whatsoever. And don't doubt on this because I live in a state and an area where people who celebrate Pak win against India have no root to Pakistan at all.

Since you brought UK to counter, why don't you compare Pak with UK.
I am sure UK doesn't restrict the post of PM/president to people of certain religion. Start with that one.

And yeah come out of this Nazi, North Korea non-sense. It's getting boring now. Specially when it's not true.

 

[Thanos]

We know the Indian media has a habit of lying through their teeth.
So how about posting a non India source so we can actually verify this.

I mean if it hit Indian News, you can perhaps also let us know what the outcome of the arrest was?
Is this man sitting in jail somewhere?

Any other source will do for me..

Thanks

If you were Indian, you would've known that "The Hindu" is one of the most anti Hindu, anti BJP, pro Pakistani newspaper in India.

Anyway, street_cricketer has already shared a link to your Pak newspaper.

 

[MenInG]

A day after legendary Pakistani pacer Waqar Younis courted fresh controversy after his communal remark, former Pakistan cricketer Danish Kaneria has urged the iconic fast bowler of the Green Army to issue an apology over 'Rizwan offering Namaz in front of Hindus' statement on national television. Younis had shocked the entire cricket fraternity by making the communal remark during a television show following Pakistan's historic win over India in the ICC World T20 2021 on Sunday.

Younis had praised Pakistani opener Mohammad Rizwan for taking time out during a break to offer prayers (namaz) on the ground. Younis came out with an apology for his objectionable statement on Twitter. Since Younis' remark evoked a strong reaction in both countries, Kaneria feels it will be more appropriate if the former Pakistani captain issues an apology on national television.

Sharing a video on Facebook on Wednesday, the tainted Pakistani cricketer spoke at length about Younis' distasteful statement. Expressing his disappointment, Kaneria opined that Younis should apologise to all members of the Hindu community after hurting the sentiments of many. Kaneria's remarks have come after Younis apologised for his 'namaz in front of Hindus' comment on Twitter.
Taking to Twitter on Wednesday, the former Pakistani speed merchant and ex-bowling coach of the Green Army had revealed that he made the remarks in the 'heat of the moment'.

"In the heat of the moment, I said something which I did not mean which has hurt the sentiments of many. I apologise for this, this was not intended at all, genuine mistake. Sports unites people regardless of race, colour or religion," he tweeted. Appearing on Arya News, Younis had asserted that Rizwan performing Namaz during the Indo-Pak encounter was a special moment for him.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...qar-younis-namaz-remark-sparks-outrage/827177

 

[MenInG]

Tell to this guy.
https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...oisted-tricolour-gets-bail/article8289406.ece

So you picked one obscure example from Pakistan and hanging your case on that?

Think treatment of Kashmiri students etc is well known.

Could also explain why a friend from IOK here decided to delete all videos of people letting off fireworks in Kashmir after Pakistan win from his phone before travelling to India.

Best keep this discussion about Waqar's mistake.

 

[cric_man]

Let's not kid ourselves. We all know, if certain people celebrate defeat of country where they live against a country that is considered enemy, it won't go unnoticed.

Please tell us who those "certain" people are?

 

[IMMY69]

If you were Indian, you would've known that "The Hindu" is one of the most anti Hindu, anti BJP, pro Pakistani newspaper in India.

Anyway, street_cricketer has already shared a link to your Pak newspaper.

There is no law in Pakistan against anyone celebrating another countries victory including India's.

 

[IMMY69]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1235827

Was he convicted?
What is the situation now?

I assure you people in Pakistan can support whoever they wish. The only exception may be in some obscure town or village but even then there is no law against it.

 

[Zaz]

Shami can be horrendously discriminated and called a anti national and pakistani by thousands and the likes of gambhir and sehwag can spread anti muslim hate but its fine and no one will bat an eyelid from across the border

Waqar makes a mistake and apologises for it and the same people lose their mind

Hypocrites is the word that comes to my mind

 

[cricket4all]

What happened to that Pakistani who is a Kohli fan is wrong, but one isolated unacceptable incident. Even that one incident shouldn’t have happened. However, that doesn’t compare or make right for the number of Kashmiris targeted for celebrating Pakistani win by being beaten or charged with ‘terrorism’ for that.

Also, it’s not a *** for tat comparison. Wherever there is wrong it should be said. How can people justify one thing or ignore it just because something else happened elsewhere similar. It’s all wrong.

Kashmiris have a right to celebrate whichever country they support or have more allegiance to. If they don’t consider themselves Indian then that’s their choice and right to feel and do as they please.

People here in England I know of English support Countries like Brazil even in football. They have a right to do as they pleas.
And yes, Waqar has apologised but he should directly apologise to the Hindu community of Pakistan (and India) as clearly people aren’t satisfied. Maybe donate to a cause for the Hindu community as well.

 

[Line and Length]

What Waqar said was terrible and unacceptable. But it’s hilarious seeing Indians being so chirpy about it given what’s happened in their country over the last few years. Give it a rest and go look at the abuse Shami received before commenting on our issues.

 

[cricket4all]

Exactly! Here in Britain not everyone supports the United Kingdom. There are people in Ireland, Scotland and Wales who don’t want a UK. There are religious and also fascist views but all these people are not beaten for not supporting a United Kingdom or charged for offences. A large proportion of the population are even anti-royal against having a Queen and Monarchy. The beauty is we are allowed to have freedom of opinion and choice,

 

[cricket4all]

What Waqar said was terrible and unacceptable. But it’s hilarious seeing Indians being so chirpy about it given what’s happened in their country over the last few years. Give it a rest and go look at the abuse Shami received before commenting on our issues.

Yep under some of these guys own definitions they must be committing treason against India by even coming on a Pakistani and Kashmiri forum let alone being involved in debate and discussion here with us.

 

[street cricketer]

Was he convicted?
What is the situation now?

I assure you people in Pakistan can support whoever they wish. The only exception may be in some obscure town or village but even then there is no law against it.

He was jailed for one month and got bail afterwards. Don't know what happened after that. That's the last news of him I know. India also doesn't have any laws specifically against supporting your own team, but these guys slapped treason charges on the people who celebrated, just like the case in Pakistan, which is stupid and petty.

If you think this is one isolated case and that you can freely support India in Pakistan, I've got a bridge to sell to you. This firecrackers thing has been going on in India for decades but people just talk about it but nobody really takes any action on it until this insecure government. The very fact that people have the freedom to light firecrackers to celebrate your enemy nation's victory for decades should tell you something, but this government is trying to change that, which is just borne out of insecurity. Do you think Pakistani hindus would be stupid enough to light firecrackers after an Indian win given they barely get by their lives. The very fact that even that Virat Kohli fan who got jailed for a month for waving the Indian flag was muslim should tell you something. Just an example, Pakistani hindu women don't even wear the bindhi freely to show any obvious sign of hinduness while travelling outside so that they blend in as muslims, and sport the bindhi only inside temples, which is not the case even in Bangladesh. Compare this to India where muslim women can wear the burqa with freedom and nobody really cares about it because it's none of our business.

The level of freedom for minorities between the two countries is hardly the same, but the level of bigotry against minorities among the people is certainly higher in India because of the continued polarisation of people caused by the right wing government which wants to appropriate nationalism, patriotism, etc. In any case, the cases of celebration among Indian muslims happen only rarely and in certain parts of the country which is still not a huge crime as long as people are not engaging in anti social activities. As for Kashmiri muslims, a majority of them have never felt Indian unlike Indian muslims, and it's obvious they would support Pakistan because culturally they're more closer to Pakistan than India. So it's stupid to force people to support one's team as that's the sign of a matured democracy. It rarely happens in western countries and people are free to support whoever they want, but unfortunately the countries in the subcontinent are insecure petty minded backward countries where things like this can get you jailed for month or longer.

 

[Savitar]

A muslim reading prayers in front of hindus is a common sight in India Waqar Bhai, maybe it's quite rare for someone who lives in Pakistan.
There is a mosque inside the premises of Krishna's birthplace temple.

Not anymore

 

[Thanos]

What Waqar said was terrible and unacceptable. But it’s hilarious seeing Indians being so chirpy about it given what’s happened in their country over the last few years. Give it a rest and go look at the abuse Shami received before commenting on our issues.

Similarly it was terrible and unacceptable that Shami received some terrible comments on his social media. And millions of Indian including players, commentators, celebrities, common people came in support for him.
But you'll talk about terrible comments only and not the support that he got afterwards.
Kohli and his wife got abused and trolled, Hardik, Bhuvi were abused as well but nah, you'll cherrypick Shami only.

And it's rich from people of Pakistan to talk about minorities of India. Your country treats minorities as third class citizens. Even the constitution doesn't allow non-Muslims to become PM/President.
Name a single field where minorities haven't hold executive power in India and then tell me the last or first PM/President of Pakistan.
Give it a rest and go look at your own constitution before commenting on India.

As for me, the indecent comments Shami received were wrong and what Waqar said was wrong too.
If Waqar has apologized, so does the millions of Indian who came in support of Shami.

 

[Thanos]

Exactly! Here in Britain not everyone supports the United Kingdom. There are people in Ireland, Scotland and Wales who don’t want a UK. There are religious and also fascist views but all these people are not beaten for not supporting a United Kingdom or charged for offences. A large proportion of the population are even anti-royal against having a Queen and Monarchy. The beauty is we are allowed to have freedom of opinion and choice,

People in UK also don't get death sentence for blasphemy. Why don't you mention that as well.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

His apology:

My intentions weren’t like that. I never comment or get involved in religious things. I was very excited as Pakistan had won the match and in that excitement I used words that may have hurt some people’s sentiments. So I apologise if you were offended by my comments. I never meant it and it was heat of the moment and I apologise.

He used the word apologise twice.

Are people expecting him to weep and beg on tv?

Oh 100%.

Sorry Saj, I disagree with your stance.

Most apologies are acceptable - particularly with mitigating factors, such as if you are young and naive, or emotionally distressed.

He has no mitigating factors, and excitement doesn't count.

Some actions, such as his, deserve a sacking at the very least to send a strong message. Just like Dean Jones got when he used the word "terrorist' for Amla, that too off camera. He had also apologized but that wasn't enough.

And countless other examples around the world.

Finally, his apology with an 'if' is just not sincere.

 

[Thanos]

So you picked one obscure example from Pakistan and hanging your case on that?

Think treatment of Kashmiri students etc is well known.

Could also explain why a friend from IOK here decided to delete all videos of people letting off fireworks in Kashmir after Pakistan win from his phone before travelling to India.

Best keep this discussion about Waqar's mistake.

If you guys can cherrypick indecent comments only which Shami received, and ignore the support he received from millions of Indians after that, so do we.

Pakistani Kohli fan was booked and charges were put on him. Similar actions are taken here as well.
The number of cases dont matter. The rule applies to everyone including Kashmiris. Because it's part of India as per our constitution.

As I said earlier, Waqar was wrong and indecent comments our cricketers received after loss were wrong too.
Waqar apologised and millions of Indians came to support our cricketers. Time to move on.
Or the whataboutery will continue without any result.

 

[pillionrider]

Some things cannot be corrected by an apology but only by a penalty. He should be barred from the media by PCB like any match fixer would have been. There is disgrace not only for Hinduism but also for his religion and his country of origin in what he said

I honestly think that would be going too far.

 

[mosh101]

I think Waqar forgot that end of the day, Rizwan was in UAE, a Muslim country.

Anyway, he has apologised and people should move on.

 

[cricket4all]

People in UK also don't get death sentence for blasphemy. Why don't you mention that as well.

Why do they get a death sentence in India? They certainly don't in the UK but they robably do in Pakistan. You certainly don't get it. It's not *** for tat, there are flaws in all countries but this thread is about Waqar Younis comments which are absoloutley wrong, which he aplogised for, but it certainly doesn't justify Kashmiris being beaten and charged for terrorism because they are celebrating the win of another country. Even more it shows they are celebrating probably because they associate themselves more with Pakistan and want freedom from India.

 

[Thanos]

Why do they get a death sentence in India? They certainly don't in the UK but they robably do in Pakistan. You certainly don't get it. It's not *** for tat, there are flaws in all countries but this thread is about Waqar Younis comments which are absoloutley wrong, which he aplogised for, but it certainly doesn't justify Kashmiris being beaten and charged for terrorism because they are celebrating the win of another country. Even more it shows they are celebrating probably because they associate themselves more with Pakistan and want freedom from India.

Are you even reading your own post before posting?

First you bring UK-India-Pak comparison and then when showed mirror you run away by saying it's not *** for tat comparison. In one line you saying this thread is about Waqar and then in next you talk about Kashmiris. Lol.

Let's make it easy for you and do what you said, Waqar apologised so we should move on.
Okay sure.

 

[cricket4all]

No not at all. I'll make it simple for you, the thread is about Waqar which some of you Indians who are making this massive when he is apologised. The Kashmir reference is that you are all making this Waqar thing massive but hardly any of you are bothered about Kasmiris getting beaten up and charged with terrorism (for celebrating a Pak win) which is a lot more worse than what Waqar said and again apologised for.

 

[Babeikh]

I have been avoiding this thread because I was so angry and embarrassed by Waqar Younis' otrocious comments. Utterly despicable comments by Waqar. Yes, he apologised which is at least an acknowledgement that he was out of line but normal people do not think like that, even when feeling emotional, passionate or in the heat of the moment.

He has truly exposed himself and his actual thinking about the world. I have no respect for him at all as a human.

 

[Pakhs]

No not at all. I'll make it simple for you, the thread is about Waqar which some of you Indians who are making this massive when he is apologised. The Kashmir reference is that you are all making this Waqar thing massive but hardly any of you are bothered about Kasmiris getting beaten up and charged with terrorism (for celebrating a Pak win) which is a lot more worse than what Waqar said and again apologised for.

Unfortunately I disagree with you Indians have every right to be angry at waqar comments and its up to them if they want to forgive him or not. What he said was not right at all and he has rightly apologised.

Now other points about India not being entirely innocent themselves they know that themselves but doesnt excuse what waqar said or you bring similar examples in India. As Pakistanis we should only look at ourselves and not do wrongs if its happening in other countries etc. For too long Pakistanis have justified things by giving Indian examples however its time they get out of this mindset.

 

[cricket4all]

Are you even reading your own post before posting?

First you bring UK-India-Pak comparison and then when showed mirror you run away by saying it's not *** for tat comparison. In one line you saying this thread is about Waqar and then in next you talk about Kashmiris. Lol.

Let's make it easy for you and do what you said, Waqar apologised so we should move on.
Okay sure.

Also, lol what mirror. The thread is about Waqar and my posts have gone on to say what he said was wrong, and has apologised and worse what is happening to Kashmiris celebrating a cricket match win (still related to the topic). The UK and all that is an example of other countries where we are allowed to do that (celebrate). What's the mirror about lol. i don't represent the Pakistani nation which is not stopping people celebrating and is off topic a bit. Yes, there is a man who is Kohli fan in Pakistan who was similarly not allowed to celebrate India winning in the past and was charged (now release), but that is also wrong but I have said that before in relevant threads.

 

[drubwrubnat]

If the man ( waqar ) has clarified, which he has, then indeed, he should be given the benefit of doubt, and can be easily given a pass.
No harm done.

 

[cricket4all]

Unfortunately I disagree with you Indians have every right to be angry at waqar comments and its up to them if they want to forgive him or not. What he said was not right at all and he has rightly apologised.

Now other points about India not being entirely innocent themselves they know that themselves but doesnt excuse what waqar said or you bring similar examples in India. As Pakistanis we should only look at ourselves and not do wrongs if its happening in other countries etc. For too long Pakistanis have justified things by giving Indian examples however its time they get out of this mindset.

Nobody said they don't have a right to be angry. Yes, Pakistanis can't justify the wrongs in Pak by giving Indian examples and they need to get out of the mindset. I don't think anyone on this thread has said Waqar is right or tried to justify his behaviour. He is clearly wrong and out of order regardless if he has apologised. However, in this thread or / and others its more Indians trying to justify India wrongs by giving Pak examples and justifying the beatings and 'terrorism' charges of Kashmiris for celebrating a Pak win.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

His apology:

My intentions weren’t like that. I never comment or get involved in religious things. I was very excited as Pakistan had won the match and in that excitement I used words that may have hurt some people’s sentiments. So I apologise if you were offended by my comments. I never meant it and it was heat of the moment and I apologise.

He used the word apologise twice.

Are people expecting him to weep and beg on tv?

His apology means zilch.

“Heat of the moment” only means that this is what he actually thinks in his innermost moments. Same thing as “excitement”.

Fact is- it is precisely in such moments that the true nature of someone comes out.

I don’t want him to weep or beg. This man who himself moved to Australia to earn a living and yet touts words such as ‘Hindu’, and ‘(Islamic) ‘prayers‘ has simply shown what he is. Don’t apologise Waqar, we know who you are.

 

[SM1989]

People born in India, holding Indian passport, aadhar card and still living in India are not considered foreigners here.

Some people born in the UK (but desi ethnicity), holding UK passports celebrated Italy's win over England in the Euro 2020 final because they wanted the racist white drunkard England fans to be disappointed.

 

[drubwrubnat]

Some people born in the UK (but desi ethnicity), holding UK passports celebrated Italy's win over England in the Euro 2020 final because they wanted the racist white drunkard England fans to be disappointed.

That was another bet where i lost money sadly

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

His apology means zilch.

“Heat of the moment” only means that this is what he actually thinks in his innermost moments. Same thing as “excitement”.

Fact is- it is precisely in such moments that the true nature of someone comes out.

I don’t want him to weep or beg. This man who himself moved to Australia to earn a living and yet touts words such as ‘Hindu’, and ‘(Islamic) ‘prayers‘ has simply shown what he is. Don’t apologise Waqar, we know who you are.

What is offensive about the words 'Hindu' or 'prayers'? What have either got to do with moving to Australia to earn a living?

 

[Bewal Express]

His apology means zilch.

“Heat of the moment” only means that this is what he actually thinks in his innermost moments. Same thing as “excitement”.

Fact is- it is precisely in such moments that the true nature of someone comes out.

I don’t want him to weep or beg. This man who himself moved to Australia to earn a living and yet touts words such as ‘Hindu’, and ‘(Islamic) ‘prayers‘ has simply shown what he is. Don’t apologise Waqar, we know who you are.

Waqar was wrong but I hope you are writing letters to the Ind govt over the treatment of Muslims in Ind.

 

[Kroll]

Yes it actually happened. Multiple people have said it. There are pockets in northern India where this would happen.

Why can’t people be free to support whoever they wish?

I don’t think there’s a law in India to say otherwise.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

There is no evidence of Muhammad Siraj or Muhammad Shami ever praying salat, on the ground or elsewhere in the presence of their Hindu teammates. It will become a huge controversy in India if some one takes a picture of them praying salat there and share it with media. We are talking about a country in which Muhammad Shami is asked to migrate to Pakistan simply for not performing well in one match.[/QUOTE]

Champ - the twitter handles of the first 15 odd tweets about Mo shami were traced to about 100 km in your capital city area. the handles were created recently, some just before the match. Some tweets were even befor e the match finished. Off course others joined in but the main trolling was done by a paid for troll army which wasnt indian.
End of the day, lets get out of this and enjoy cricket for what it is.

 

[Zaz]

His apology means zilch.

“Heat of the moment” only means that this is what he actually thinks in his innermost moments. Same thing as “excitement”.

Fact is- it is precisely in such moments that the true nature of someone comes out.

I don’t want him to weep or beg. This man who himself moved to Australia to earn a living and yet touts words such as ‘Hindu’, and ‘(Islamic) ‘prayers‘ has simply shown what he is. Don’t apologise Waqar, we know who you are.

Youd have thought hes killed someone judging from this reaction Bas hi karo yaar Had ho gayee

 

[Major]

Waqar said is inner thoughts out loud. This is the mentality of a lot of Pakistanis. I wouldn't be surprised that apart from Wahab and Wasim Akram, Fakhar e Alam and Misbah harbor the same thoughts.

what kind of post is this?

Thats like me saying, I wouldn't be surprised that this [MENTION=155401]realitygaf[/MENTION] is a fool.

Stop making assumptions.

 

[Saj]

Oh 100%.

Sorry Saj, I disagree with your stance.

Most apologies are acceptable - particularly with mitigating factors, such as if you are young and naive, or emotionally distressed.

He has no mitigating factors, and excitement doesn't count.

Some actions, such as his, deserve a sacking at the very least to send a strong message. Just like Dean Jones got when he used the word "terrorist' for Amla, that too off camera. He had also apologized but that wasn't enough.

And countless other examples around the world.

Finally, his apology with an 'if' is just not sincere.

Live television.

If it had been recorded, I'm sure Waqar would have asked for it to be edited out.

I messaged Waqar well before his apology on twitter or tv and he was very apologetic and sorry for what he had said and regretted it straight away.

 

[Pakhs]

There is no evidence of Muhammad Siraj or Muhammad Shami ever praying salat, on the ground or elsewhere in the presence of their Hindu teammates. It will become a huge controversy in India if some one takes a picture of them praying salat there and share it with media. We are talking about a country in which Muhammad Shami is asked to migrate to Pakistan simply for not performing well in one match.[/QUOTE]

Champ - the twitter handles of the first 15 odd tweets about Mo shami were traced to about 100 km in your capital city area. the handles were created recently, some just before the match. Some tweets were even befor e the match finished. Off course others joined in but the main trolling was done by a paid for troll army which wasnt indian.
End of the day, lets get out of this and enjoy cricket for what it is.

No way i will defend what Waqar has said but to say that Indians joined in because someone started the troll is a complete joke and as bad as what waqar did. Basically you are saying what happened to shami is okay because the troll started outside the country?

 

[Kroll]

He's old enough, mature enough and world wise enough to know this would have gone down like a lead balloon.

Can't believe he still went ahead with this gaffe.

 

[Buffet]

He's old enough, mature enough and world wise enough to know this would have gone down like a lead balloon.

Can't believe he still went ahead with this gaffe.

Is he? He thinks talking about Hindu Muslims etc would have been less of an issue if the result of the match was flipped. That too when he is issuing an apology.

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When the show's host, Fakhre Alam, added that Pakistan winning the match might also have factored in the strong criticism being directed towards Younis from India, the former fast bowler agreed that it could have been one of the reasons that the matter was hyped.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1654369/g...arks-on-rizwans-prayer-during-pak-india-match

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[RexRex]

Is he? He thinks talking about Hindu Muslims etc would have been less of an issue if the result of the match was flipped. That too when he is issuing an apology.

So, he really sees nothing wrong in what he said, just a routine apology that was made probably because his producers asked him. Very poor from Waqar.

 

[MenInG]

Live television.

If it had been recorded, I'm sure Waqar would have asked for it to be edited out.

I messaged Waqar well before his apology on twitter or tv and he was very apologetic and sorry for what he had said and regretted it straight away.

For those who think he apologized due to pressure, see above