If Babar had scored some runs in the early part of the tournament, when it actually mattered for Pakistan, we would've qualified, but he choked for the country when it did matter. Which has been a feature for him in the past as well
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Lets have him bat at no.3 in test matches instead of hiding behind 5 batsman.
Lets also see him bat why chasing a big total in ODIs.
I know he is probably Pakistan's best talent to have come across in the past 20 years however lets also not forget that he was below 7 names in the world cup top scorers which include Sharma, Warner, Shakib Al hasan (an allrounder scoring 600 runs), kane williamson, joe root, johnny bairstow, aaron finch and ben stokes (another allrounder who only scored 10 less runs than him and plays at no.6-7)
Lets have him bat at no.3 in test matches instead of hiding behind 5 batsman.
Lets also see him bat why chasing a big total in ODIs.
I know he is probably Pakistan's best talent to have come across in the past 20 years however lets also not forget that he was below 7 names in the world cup top scorers which include Sharma, Warner, Shakib Al hasan (an allrounder scoring 600 runs), kane williamson, joe root, johnny bairstow, aaron finch and ben stokes (another allrounder who only scored 10 less runs than him and plays at no.6-7)
It doesn't sit right for your best batsman to be hiding behind 4-5 other batsman in test matches
It doesn't sit right for your best batsman to be hiding behind 4-5 other batsman in test matches
You need some history lessons Kid.See where Koli was batting in Australia tour of 2012-13.Babar is at same stage.He will move up eventually
Hiding? He is still relatively new to the format and throwing someone into 3 straight away is stupid. How is 4 a hididng spot. So you're saying Smith and Kohli hide down the order. 5 is really important too and he is batting at the right position. He can probably move up to 4 later.
You need some history lessons Kid.See where Koli was batting in Australia tour of 2012-13.Babar is at same stage.He will move up eventually
We are still in this delusion in 2019 that Babar azam is Kohli's level... wow
You're delusional to think that people are comparing the current babar azam to the current Kohli.
They're not. They're comparing the 2014/15 kohli to the current Babar Azam and it is a good comparison
I don't think starting your 4th year in the test side should count as a starting off, frankly no one else has been given that many opportunities to perform as Babar. The guy consistently failed for 1.5 year by my counting, from the tour to australia, facing west indies, facing srilanka in the uae... and had to be moved down to number 6 mind you, but never even axed once from the side for a consistently poor showing.
Averaging dismally in the early 20s as a number 3 batsman
Why? Because for some players performances in one format can exempt you from dismal performances in the other formats... doesn't happen for everyone though. Selected few are given this opportunity to perform despite failing multiple times
Did Babar azam chase down any total above 300 in ODIs let alone chase it down in 42 overs?
Did Babar azam ever score a 100 against his arch rivals India, let alone score a 180 against them?
Did Azam win a world cup champions trophy in his time?
Did Azam score a hundred in Australia? Let alone score one in the 4th innings chasing a mammoth total (albeit in a failed cause)
How many test hundreds does Babar have in this time?
Kohli had those achievements and many more...
Kohli had 25 centuries in ODIs only by 2014, and Babar has only 11 (a pretty good number in itself, doesn't need to be compared to Kohli)
I don't think starting your 4th year in the test side should count as a starting off, frankly no one else has been given that many opportunities to perform as Babar. The guy consistently failed for 1.5 year by my counting, from the tour to australia, facing west indies, facing srilanka in the uae... and had to be moved down to number 6 mind you, but never even axed once from the side for a consistently poor showing.
Averaging dismally in the early 20s as a number 3 batsman
Why? Because for some players performances in one format can exempt you from dismal performances in the other formats... doesn't happen for everyone though. Selected few are given this opportunity to perform despite failing multiple times
Since when has scoring a 100 against india become a benchmark??
Anyways.
He has won a champions trophy in his time. He has scored a hundred in Australia
As for his hundreds. Compare it on the basis of innings not years.
Kohli started playing at a younger age than babar so when he was 26 he already had more years of experience.
Btw babar just turned 25 so compare the hundreds on the basis of innings not age then come back to me.
Let's see what he does in the WTC then we'll get a better image
That's a travesty in itself since he was earmarked for the national side from an early age. That's the legacy of Misbah for you, blocking out the emerging talent to select his pals.
That too as a specialist batsman from India when Sachin, Sehwag, Gambhir, Dhoni, Yuvraj, etc were in prime form.
Did Babar azam chase down any total above 300 in ODIs let alone chase it down in 42 overs?
Did Babar azam ever score a 100 against his arch rivals India, let alone score a 180 against them?
Did Azam win a world cup champions trophy in his time?
Did Azam score a hundred in Australia? Let alone score one in the 4th innings chasing a mammoth total (albeit in a failed cause)
How many test hundreds does Babar have in this time?
Kohli had those achievements and many more...
Kohli had 25 centuries in ODIs only by 2014, and Babar has only 11 (a pretty good number in itself, doesn't need to be compared to Kohli)
Outscored kohli in tests in 2019, even better achievement considering pakistan toured Southafrica and australia this year. Had a better world cup than kohli, scored 40 odd runs more than kohli in wc having played one less match than him.. Can't predict about future but he is definitely going in the right direction to become an ATG!
ATG is way too much. The requirement to become an ATG becomes harder every year, an ATG player must be able to become part of an ATG squad. I don't see Babar qualifying for at least 6 or 8 years.
Being an ATG doesn't have anything to do with being a part of an ATG team. You can have one world class player playing for a mediocre side.
Matches are very rarely won by individual brilliance, and sometimes, even ATG knocks are not enough for a player to take his team home. Similarly, an ATG squad can also have 1-2 above average players, capable of remaining in the squad due to the team winning games more often than not, thus allowing a few average players to stay in the team.
Babar can end up being an ATG, despite playing for a mediocre side. There have been various such cases of great players before Babar playing in poor/average sides. Tendulkar was already an ATG, the best batsman in the world during the end of the 90s, his team however was average at best. In modern times, you can see Shakib's example as well. From Pakistan, Younis was a Test ATG despite ending his career with an average team as well.

He is doing for Pakistan's batting culture what Imran did for its bowling culture in 1982 which is to completely revolutionise it. Babar has captured everyone's imagination ranging from our batting superstars of yesteryear to international legends such as Ricky Ponting. This is due to his all-encompassing determination and versatility which has propelled to the top 10 list of every batting format.
His temperament is unflappable and the technique is impeccable. The former is a product of mental balance and the latter is a manifestation of his psychological balance. Babar's test average has been around 65 for almost two years now. Factor in his ODI and T20 game; you have a monster on your hands. His game is not a function of a comparison with the other stalwarts of his generation such as Smith, Williamson and the other two. It's him against him. That's why there is non-stop improvement. The man is completely oblivious to any fanciful indulgences of his fanatical fans who unfairly pit him against batsmen of much greater experience. Completely obsessed and possessed to become a success.That's Babar Azam.
Babar has all the qualities to become Pakistan’s greatest batsman, but his aim should be to also become a very marketable athlete and achieve superstar status.
He needs to work on his appearance and communication skills. This will maximize his earning potential, earn him sponsorships and ads, and eventually get a big money deal with a major sporting brand.
More importantly, this will also help increase the rotting marketability and fledging brand value of Pakistan cricket team.
The notion that it will impact his performance is not true. Kohli spends a lot of money on his appearance and it hasn’t prevented him from becoming an all-time great.
He is not only a megastar because of his batting but also because of his look, all the tattoos and how he carries himself.
KL Rahul has done the same and as he continues to go from strength to strength, his stardom will also increase.
Rohit has been found wanting on this front and still struts around with a pot belly and a lazy look.
Pakistan badly needs a batting superstar and Babar is the only one who has the talent to be one, and it is very important that he works on his marketability as well.
Babar has all the qualities to become Pakistan’s greatest batsman, but his aim should be to also become a very marketable athlete and achieve superstar status.
He needs to work on his appearance and communication skills. This will maximize his earning potential, earn him sponsorships and ads, and eventually get a big money deal with a major sporting brand.
More importantly, this will also help increase the rotting marketability and fledging brand value of Pakistan cricket team.
The notion that it will impact his performance is not true. Kohli spends a lot of money on his appearance and it hasn’t prevented him from becoming an all-time great.
He is not only a megastar because of his batting but also because of his look, all the tattoos and how he carries himself.
KL Rahul has done the same and as he continues to go from strength to strength, his stardom will also increase.
Rohit has been found wanting on this front and still struts around with a pot belly and a lazy look.
Pakistan badly needs a batting superstar and Babar is the only one who has the talent to be one, and it is very important that he works on his marketability as well.
No thanks. Simplicity is quality and thats his identity. The simple yet great Babar Azam
No thanks. Simplicity is quality and thats his identity. The simple yet great Babar Azam
Simplicity doesn’t bring money in today’s sport. It is better for both Babar and Pakistan if he becomes a star and someone with real presence in the cricket field.
He will captain Pakistan in all formats for 10+ years. It is imperative that he becomes a superstar because it will hugely benefit Pakistan cricket’s brand.
Imran Khan was also a big star in his time and did help Pakistan’s profile. That was essentially the difference between him and someone like Miandad.
Simplicity doesn’t bring money in today’s sport. It is better for both Babar and Pakistan if he becomes a star and someone with real presence in the cricket field.
He will captain Pakistan in all formats for 10+ years. It is imperative that he becomes a superstar because it will hugely benefit Pakistan cricket’s brand.
Imran Khan was also a big star in his time and did help Pakistan’s profile. That was essentially the difference between him and someone like Miandad.
Simplicity doesn’t bring money in today’s sport. It is better for both Babar and Pakistan if he becomes a star and someone with real presence in the cricket field.
He will captain Pakistan in all formats for 10+ years. It is imperative that he becomes a superstar because it will hugely benefit Pakistan cricket’s brand.
Imran Khan was also a big star in his time and did help Pakistan’s profile. That was essentially the difference between him and someone like Miandad.
we have a tibetan monk in our midst!
Babar has all the qualities to become Pakistan’s greatest batsman, but his aim should be to also become a very marketable athlete and achieve superstar status.
He needs to work on his appearance and communication skills. This will maximize his earning potential, earn him sponsorships and ads, and eventually get a big money deal with a major sporting brand.
More importantly, this will also help increase the rotting marketability and fledging brand value of Pakistan cricket team.
The notion that it will impact his performance is not true. Kohli spends a lot of money on his appearance and it hasn’t prevented him from becoming an all-time great.
He is not only a megastar because of his batting but also because of his look, all the tattoos and how he carries himself.
KL Rahul has done the same and as he continues to go from strength to strength, his stardom will also increase.
Rohit has been found wanting on this front and still struts around with a pot belly and a lazy look.
Pakistan badly needs a batting superstar and Babar is the only one who has the talent to be one, and it is very important that he works on his marketability as well.
Babar has all the qualities to become Pakistan’s greatest batsman, but his aim should be to also become a very marketable athlete and achieve superstar status.
He needs to work on his appearance and communication skills. This will maximize his earning potential, earn him sponsorships and ads, and eventually get a big money deal with a major sporting brand.
More importantly, this will also help increase the rotting marketability and fledging brand value of Pakistan cricket team.
The notion that it will impact his performance is not true. Kohli spends a lot of money on his appearance and it hasn’t prevented him from becoming an all-time great.
He is not only a megastar because of his batting but also because of his look, all the tattoos and how he carries himself.
KL Rahul has done the same and as he continues to go from strength to strength, his stardom will also increase.
Rohit has been found wanting on this front and still struts around with a pot belly and a lazy look.
Pakistan badly needs a batting superstar and Babar is the only one who has the talent to be one, and it is very important that he works on his marketability as well.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Sorry but what is wrong with his appearance? He is very presentable and just because his English is a little weak it doesn't mean that his communication skills are poor. Have you heard Messi, Ronaldo or Nadal speak? You managed to bring somey negative out of Babar Azam. Hats of to you pal. Also, what do you think about the game ? If Mushfiq was playing, he would have stumped 5 of them and caught behind tb other 5 by now?
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Sorry but what is wrong with his appearance? He is very presentable and just because his English is a little weak it doesn't mean that his communication skills are poor. Have you heard Messi, Ronaldo or Nadal speak? You managed to bring somey negative out of Babar Azam. Hats of to you pal. Also, what do you think about the game ? If Mushfiq was playing, he would have stumped 5 of them and caught behind tb other 5 by now?
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Sorry but what is wrong with his appearance? He is very presentable and just because his English is a little weak it doesn't mean that his communication skills are poor. Have you heard Messi, Ronaldo or Nadal speak? You managed to bring somey negative out of Babar Azam. Hats of to you pal. Also, what do you think about the game ? If Mushfiq was playing, he would have stumped 5 of them and caught behind tb other 5 by now?
Babar will definitely start to express himself more as now he is an established player and we have already seen glimpses on the fields and him as captain. He was a young, lanky and shy guy when he started playing international cricket and is 25 now. I think he is going through natural evolution as a player as well as a personality. He should obviously think about it during his off time make the process faster but, I can see the natural evolution in him.
However at the same time Williamson, Smith or Root arent the most brand-able personalities but are still marketable based upon their stature as players.
Look at Kawhi Leonard, one of the biggest stars in NBA yet he doesn't have a superstar personality. Some people are just that, you can't be changed. Kohli was always a confident person from an early age
He is not presentable. He doesn’t have the appearance of a star and his communication skills are weak. The examples of Messi, Ronaldo and Nadal are useless ne hadd cricket is different.
It is primarily played in commonwealth countries and the influence of English is huge on the game. English is the de facto official language of cricket.
All the terms are in English and even in domestic cricket if you say “kaisay tha” instead of “Howzat” while appealing, even the umpire will wonder if you are okay.
English is not the official language in football or tennis. They are proper global sports played by countries that are not commonwealth or have no influence of English.
A cricket captain cannot avoid speaking English. He has to communicate regularly and it is important that he works on his English speaking skills. Soft skills are important in all fields and cricket is no different.
If Kohli spoke English like Umar Akmal it would hurt his image.
If you are happy to see Pakistani players get embarrassed because of their inability to communicate properly, well good for you.
Few months back, Babar was lashing out on a journalist on Twitter because she called him Mickey Arthur’s son. The poor guy thought she was abusing him.
This is not finding negatives. What I am suggesting will benefit both him and Pakistan cricket, but well done on putting a negative spin on it.
He is not presentable. He doesn’t have the appearance of a star and his communication skills are weak. The examples of Messi, Ronaldo and Nadal are useless ne hadd cricket is different.
It is primarily played in commonwealth countries and the influence of English is huge on the game. English is the de facto official language of cricket.
All the terms are in English and even in domestic cricket if you say “kaisay tha” instead of “Howzat” while appealing, even the umpire will wonder if you are okay.
English is not the official language in football or tennis. They are proper global sports played by countries that are not commonwealth or have no influence of English.
A cricket captain cannot avoid speaking English. He has to communicate regularly and it is important that he works on his English speaking skills. Soft skills are important in all fields and cricket is no different.
If Kohli spoke English like Umar Akmal it would hurt his image.
If you are happy to see Pakistani players get embarrassed because of their inability to communicate properly, well good for you.
Few months back, Babar was lashing out on at a journalist on Twitter because she called him Mickey Arthur’s son. The poor guy thought she was abusing him.
This is not finding negatives. What I am suggesting will benefit both him and Pakistan cricket, but well done on putting a negative spin on it.
You don't know the context of this so why are you behaving like Hassan Ali and Shadab Khan in this matter? He was clearly offended about some inner dressing room joke that had been leaked to her by these shokhay players and she was definetly crossing her limits as a journalist in those days.
I believe you have zero exposure to western countries and your view of them is limited to what you see on the TV and the Internet.
in the west could care less if the guy cannot speak a word of English, but is doing the job that he is being commissioned to do. Sergio Aguero is probably more 'backward' (derogatory) as a person compared to Babar, but the guys skill as a deadly striker commands him respect amongst millions of people across the globe.
Now if you are marginalising Babar under the view of what you think he should be, by using examples of Indian cricketers post 2007 (Dhoni era), then this is a debate in itself and has nothing to do with 'Marketable solution'.
Kohli is so crass and vulgar. Thats his reality. Would never want Babar like that. Emulate Imran.Thats the Advice .Never Kohli.
Babar should not have reacted the way he did. The journalist said nothing offensive, but because of his poor grasp of English, he took her words in a literal fashion and lashed out.
The majority of my extended family are British Pakistanis. I spent every summer of my life until 2015 in the UK. Why do you think I support England as my second team?
Again, there is a difference between football and cricket. Football is a true global sport by played by hundreds of countries that have no link English.
Cricket is a unique sport that is primarily played by commonwealth countries, and thus, English has become the de facto official language of cricket.
A cricket captain cannot avoid communicating in English. There won’t always be a translator available. Hence, it is important for players to be effective communicators in English.
In all other jobs where you are required to communicate with people, you are asked to work on your communication skills. You have to make presentations, address large crowds, meet people etc. etc., and public speaking skills take you a long way.
A cricket captain has no different. He has to communicate on a regular basis and it’s imperative that he possesses good communication skills.
Pakistani captains and players are found wanting on this front and it has created plenty of embarrassing situations. There is no absolutely no harm in players like Babar improving their English speaking proficiency.
It was embarrassing to hear Sarfraz talk. He gave a very bad impression of Pakistani society, and “boys played well” became a running joke during Inzamam’s tenure.
I want Pakistan to avoid such embarrassment and not get stereotyped for the funny English of its players. It bothers and that is why this is my stance. If if doesn’t bother you or others then that is your stance.
Trust some to embark on Babar's character assassination. Normal service.
Here's a hint.
Appreciate his genius and be proud that he is a Pakistani (for those interested in Pakistan)
Again, a load of nonsense. Babar has been resigned by Somerset for their T20 and County season, his poor English did not play a hindering role in the Somerset management and captain to reconsider him as their overseas investment.
You live on a different planet mate.
Some people have become so used to Pakistan cricket’s mediocrity that they get offended when you tell them that Pakistan lacks marketable players and needs to enhance the brand value of Pakistan cricket.
These people deserve third rate kit manufactures like Boom Boom and Hunt, third rate sponsors like Gogo Paan masala and captains with “boys played well” English.
Apparently it makes them feel proud and nationalistic. Well good for them.
He is not presentable. He doesn’t have the appearance of a star and his communication skills are weak. The examples of Messi, Ronaldo and Nadal are useless ne hadd cricket is different.
It is primarily played in commonwealth countries and the influence of English is huge on the game. English is the de facto official language of cricket.
All the terms are in English and even in domestic cricket if you say “kaisay tha” instead of “Howzat” while appealing, even the umpire will wonder if you are okay.
English is not the official language in football or tennis. They are proper global sports played by countries that are not commonwealth or have no influence of English.
A cricket captain cannot avoid speaking English. He has to communicate regularly and it is important that he works on his English speaking skills. Soft skills are important in all fields and cricket is no different.
If Kohli spoke English like Umar Akmal it would hurt his image.
If you are happy to see Pakistani players get embarrassed because of their inability to communicate properly, well good for you.
Few months back, Babar was lashing out on at a journalist on Twitter because she called him Mickey Arthur’s son. The poor guy thought she was abusing him.
This is not finding negatives. What I am suggesting will benefit both him and Pakistan cricket, but well done on putting a negative spin on it.
Mushfiq and Shakib’s presence wouldn’t have impacted Babar, but Bangladesh would have definitely scored more runs. You can act like their absence makes no difference if it makes you happy.
Tendulkar was as interesting and charismatic in terms of personality as a box of paint and that didn’t stop him from becoming among the greatest in legacy and marketability because he did his primary job wrkl
Lol Australia missing smith and Warner didn’t directly lead to losing series to India at home but Mushfiq and Shakib the ATGs impact Bangladesh...
Yeah let’s upgrade our boys played well English to ‘OK sir, thank you sir English’. That’s marketable.
You have so many ideas but quite plainly no idea of how these ideas are actually going to come into plan in reality. Do you think good cricket fans don’t want Pakistan to have kit manufacturers like Adidas and New Balance as their provider? Or it’s star players such as Babar, Fakhar, Imam, Amir etc become brand ambassadors for Hublot or Rolex etc.
Come off it mate, no one here is stupid. Stop using India as the model of perfect success and then demand immediate transformation from guys who are year 8-9 drop outs pursuing professional cricket as a career.
Mumbai Indians is a bigger brand than PCB? Who are we arguing with over here?
It’s like saying Barcelona is a bigger brand Argentina national team
Trust some to embark on Babar's character assassination. Normal service.
Here's a hint.
Appreciate his genius and be proud that he is a Pakistani (for those interested in Pakistan)
Honestly, you guys here are very patient. We literally have a new wave of annoying India-worshipping Pakistanis. It's very hard to not get personal with this lot. Hats off to the admins here.The subject is Babar Azam and what he is doing for Pakistan cricket. No need to bring in India into it.