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Won't hold if challenged in courtEngland to ban players from PSL, other non-IPL leagues over domestic season clash – report
England To Ban Players From PSL, Other Non-IPL Leagues Over Domestic Season Clash – Report | Cricket News Today
According to a report in the Telegraph, the ECB has decided to ban players from featuring in the Pakistan Super League, as well as other T20 leagues that clash with their domestic season.www.wisden.com
What exactly is the case here? ECB said it’s contracted players not to play PSL. PSL franchises and PCB have no financial agreement or contract with those players?Won't hold if challenged in court
The ECB can't stop people plying their trade. Let's see how ECB justify this in court, if the challenge comesWhat exactly is the case here? ECB said it’s contracted players not to play PSL. PSL franchises and PCB have no financial agreement or contract with those players?
Inds are worried about the PSL. Why?This is because PCB made a dumb move of hosting PSL at the same time as IPL. They thought by doing so they will jeopardise the daddy league. But little did they know, IPL gets played when county cricket starts. So it was only natural that ECB will protect its players from playing in franchise cricket before start of a fresh season. Had they kept the PSL in normal window of February, this situation would not have arisen.
The ECB can't stop people plying their trade. Let's see how ECB justify this in court, if the challenge comes
That would be between the player and ECB then, nothing to do with PSL or PCB. If an English player is desperate to play PSL he will discuss that with ECB, negotiate, sue or whatever. Unless he takes money from PSL/ PCB and refuses to play citing this rule, it is a different matter other wise nothing PCB or PSL can do about it.The ECB can't stop people plying their trade. Let's see how ECB justify this in court, if the challenge comes
Where did India come from? It’s ECB that has asked the players not to play PSL.Inds are worried about the PSL. Why?
I don't speak for entire India.Inds are worried about the PSL. Why?
We know Inds will never care for PK cricket as we have seen on many occasions, so why the the worry for PK cricket and PSL?I don't speak for entire India.
I am giving my opinion on a thread doesn't mean I am worried.
It was a reply to a post about PSL taking on the IPLWhere did India come from? It’s ECB that has asked the players not to play PSL.
Players already have a contract with ECB. they are getting an exception which at ECBs discretionThe ECB can't stop people plying their trade. Let's see how ECB justify this in court, if the challenge comes
I don’t understand why Indians think everything is done to damage them.This is because PCB made a dumb move of hosting PSL at the same time as IPL. They thought by doing so they will jeopardise the daddy league. But little did they know, IPL gets played when county cricket starts. So it was only natural that ECB will protect its players from playing in franchise cricket before start of a fresh season. Had they kept the PSL in normal window of February, this situation would not have arisen.
Warner may join the commentary team. Steve smith did commentary last time. Usually the get around 250 to 500,000 USD for commentary stint.I don’t understand why Indians think everything is done to damage them.
Due to IPL, most international cricket stops and best players are in IPL, which would allow the remaining international players to be available and feature in the PSL. PSL is trying to take IPl scraps here basically. For example Warner has never played in PSL, but now that he’s not been picked in IPl, he’s available for PSL which helps the brand.
Warner may join the commentary team. Steve smith did commentary last time. Usually the get around 250 to 500,000 USD for commentary stint.
Salary of Commentators in IPL 2024
Dugout Panel: $520,000 to $750,000
English Panel: $252,000 to $550,000
Hindi Panel: $82,000 to $370,000
Regional Panel: $82,000-1,55,000
I don’t understand what your point is?Warner may join the commentary team. Steve smith did commentary last time. Usually the get around 250 to 500,000 USD for commentary stint.
Salary of Commentators in IPL 2024
Dugout Panel: $520,000 to $750,000
English Panel: $252,000 to $550,000
Hindi Panel: $82,000 to $370,000
Regional Panel: $82,000-1,55,000
Yes. That is how they landed Smith. Warner is doing commentary now for FOX. So there is a chance he could be hired.I don’t understand what your point is?
I was sharing the reason why Pakistan has scheduled PSL to go with IPL. Warner was just an example.
You’re trying to show how big IPL commentary salary is so he will go there.
We get it BCCI, indian cricket, IPL is big. Get over yourself buddy and have some grace.
Well ECB is trying to do what's best for English cricketEngland players threaten legal action over ECB’s new policy on NOCs
England players have threatened legal action against England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) over its new policy on issuing No-Objection Certificates (NOCs) for international leagues.
The players have expressed their dismay over the new policy which imposed a ban on England players from participating in franchise leagues except for the Indian Premier League (IPL) which clashes with the domestic season.
Reports said that the new policy on the NOCs will also dent England cricketers’ participation in the upcoming Pakistan Super League (PSL).
As per England media outlets, the players’ agents were of the view that the ECB did not want to upset the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) and allowed players to participate only in the IPL.
England players threaten legal action over ECB’s new policy on NOCs
England players have threatened legal action against England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) over its new policy on issuing No-Objection Certificates (NOCs)arynews.tv
The hypocrisy of ECB will be exposed
yes but the English county players think otherwiseWell ECB is trying to do what's best for English cricket
The ECB can't stop people plying their trade. Let's see how ECB justify this in court, if the challenge comes
England players threaten legal action over ECB’s new policy on NOCs
England players have threatened legal action against England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) over its new policy on issuing No-Objection Certificates (NOCs) for international leagues.
The players have expressed their dismay over the new policy which imposed a ban on England players from participating in franchise leagues except for the Indian Premier League (IPL) which clashes with the domestic season.
Reports said that the new policy on the NOCs will also dent England cricketers’ participation in the upcoming Pakistan Super League (PSL).
As per England media outlets, the players’ agents were of the view that the ECB did not want to upset the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) and allowed players to participate only in the IPL.
England players threaten legal action over ECB’s new policy on NOCs
England players have threatened legal action against England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) over its new policy on issuing No-Objection Certificates (NOCs)arynews.tv
The hypocrisy of ECB will be exposed
Not all. Many are contracted to counties and that's not the ECBThose players are contracted t ECB. They are employees. ECB isn't stopping the ordinary guy on the street from going to PSL.
Not all. Many are contracted to counties and that's not the ECB
But how will ECB justify making IPL an exception?BCCI pays ECB a amount which is equal to 20 per cent of the total money ECB players get.
If the total salary received by English players is 10mn USD, ECB will receive $2mn.
PCB can try a similar arrangement.
They do but legally the players aren't contracted to them, unless it's statedCounties function under the ECB.
But how will ECB justify making IPL an exception?
They do but legally the players aren't contracted to them, unless it's stated
BCCI pays ECB a amount which is equal to 20 per cent of the total money ECB players get.
If the total salary received by English players is 10mn USD, ECB will receive $2mn.
PCB can try a similar arrangement.
I hope ECB openly confesses itBecause IPL pays ECB millions for release of players. That's the justification.
NopeCounties function under ECB and ECB is the governing body of Cricket in England. They can stop contracted players from playing elsewhere.
Worth mentioning that all leagues in the world already pay at least 10%.
Nope
Nope. The players aren't owned by the ECB and any move to force a change is illegal. It's called restraint of trade. This isn't a debateRead section 32A ICC operations manual.
Section 32A protects the primacy of international cricket by requiring a Member board to make
it a condition of a foreign player’s participation in its domestic event(s) that the player’s own
Member board (i.e., the Member for which the player plays/or is qualified to play international
cricket) does not object to his participation in such event(s).
The foreign player may only participate in the domestic event(s) if (and to the extent that) his
Member board issues a ‘No Objection Certificate’, or ‘NOC’, confirming that it has no objection
to that participation.
If the Member board declines to issue a NOC, then the original Member board cannot allow the
player to participate in its domestic event. Instead, the player has to be released (where
required) to play international cricket for his Member board.
Nope. The players aren't owned by the ECB and any move to force a change is illegal. It's called restraint of trade. This isn't a debate
But ECB lives under UK law. I hope that is not too complicated for you.As per ICC rules ECB NoC is required. Everyone has to abide by that.
Players are contracted to ECB and counties, they are employees. So ofcourse their employees will not have freedom to go and play anywhere they please.
But ECB lives under UK law. I hope that is not too complicated for you.
Players threatened to boycott 100 shall ECB continue with their current position of ban on other leagues.
If they are under contract with ECB, how is that restraint of trade?Nope. The players aren't owned by the ECB and any move to force a change is illegal. It's called restraint of trade. This isn't a debate
Not all are. Players like Root are but others aren'tIf they are under contract with ECB, how is that restraint of trade?
If Players forego the ECB contract and and still want to control players thats a different story.
Restraint of trade - Wikipedia
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ECB does and it cannot enforce anything illegal here. If the ICC decided to make the ECB CEO the king, do we still have to follow their edictICC doesn't live under UK laws. ECB cannot have separate rules fir themselves. International cricket has same rules. Hope that isn't too complicated for you.
That is fairly straight forward. Depend on the employment original employment contract if there is a cooling period or not.Not all are. Players like Root are but others aren't
Absolutely. The ECB have overreached and all it will take is one player to take it to court and they will back downThat is fairly straight forward. Depend on the employment original employment contract if there is a cooling period or not.
If they are not under contract and if there is no cooling off period, ECB has no standing.
I don't think the ECB have many such agreements. If they are contracted they can be told what to do and if they are only contracted to counties, they can'tI have signed non-competes before and sat at home and got paid for 18 months without being able to join the new job. My old employer footed the bill
ECB does and it cannot enforce anything illegal here. If the ICC decided to make the ECB CEO the king, do we still have to follow their edict
That is fairly straight forward. Depend on the employment original employment contract if there is a cooling period or not.
If they are not under contract and if there is no cooling off period, ECB has no standing.
Absolutely. The ECB have overreached and all it will take is one player to take it to court and they will back down
I don't think the ECB have many such agreements. If they are contracted they can be told what to do and if they are only contracted to counties, they can't
I'm confident that ECB will get taken the cleaners if they withhold NOC to an out of contract player.ICC has a cooling period rule. Any player who retires has to get NOC for next 5 years.
Active players have to get a NOC.
I have posted the ICC rule above.
I'm confident that ECB will get taken the cleaners if they withhold NOC to an out of contract player.
Its an ICC rule. ECB still has to follow UK law of the land. eg., Kolpak
For active players for sure they need a NOC
I know it's difficult for you to understand but the ECB can act within the law. If it refuses NOCs, it will end up in court with a million £ legal bill. This isn't IndiaCounties are governed by ECB. And as per ICC rules any active player will require ECB NoC.
I know it's difficult for you to understand but the ECB can act within the law. If it refuses NOCs, it will end up in court with a million £ legal bill. This isn't India
Players have threatened court and if it goes to court the ECB will lose. If a player isn't under your contract, you cannot tell them how to earn living. It's a nation of laws, it's not IndiaIt has refused NoCs and all a few players are doing is threatening to boycott.
No one is going to court. No one has gone to court.
Any employer is within his rights to stop its employees from moonlighting.
There are laws. This isn't Pakistan.
Players have threatened court and if it goes to court the ECB will lose. If a player isn't under your contract, you cannot tell them how to earn living. It's a nation of laws, it's not India
No there is def a chance and if they go to court, they will win.There is no chance of this even getting to court let alone being deemed restraint of trade, requiring an employee to be available for the period they've signed a contract to be available for is not restraint of trade.
No there is def a chance and if they go to court, they will win.
Once again, requiring someone to be available for the period they've agreed to be contracted for isn't restraint of trade. No one's going to take this to court because they'd be laughed out of there.
Players have threatened court and if it goes to court the ECB will lose. If a player isn't under your contract, you cannot tell them how to earn living. It's a nation of laws, it's not India
But that has to apply to all players on the same contracts. The ECB know they don't have a leg to stand on if it goes to court. As soon as you make an exception then all players have right to know. The IPL doesn't make our laws.
The county policy is let players play. That's why they play IPL, so if they allow players to play in one in not in others then the policy has no legs. Players will claim discriminatory behaviour and the judge will through out their objections, unless it was stated at the time of the signing of the contract and this certainly isn't. This isn't Ind and the IPL doesn't make our lawsPlayers are under contract either with ECB or counties. No one gets to play FC without contract.
And if you play FC you need NoC from the National board to play leagues.
This isn't Pakistan.
IPL is paying ECB a large amount of money to release the players. PCB can also offer the same amount and ask for equal treatment.
But that has to apply to all players on the same contracts. The ECB know they don't have a leg to stand on if it goes to court. As soon as you make an exception then all players have right to know.
Are we talking about players under contract?There is no chance of this even getting to court let alone being deemed restraint of trade, requiring an employee to be available for the period they've signed a contract to be available for is not restraint of trade.
You can't change contracts when they have already been signed. Try it and see what happens. And if they give permission IPL and not others,it becomes discrimination.No, it doesn't, you're clueless, allowing a specific exception in an employment contract doesn't mean everyone is suddenly allowed to break their employment contract for whatever they want.
Are we talking about players under contract?
by employee, you are implying there is a contract. you can only make demands of your employee.
Those retired might have a strong case. If there is cool off period written into their contract, that legality of that can be challenged in court
You can't change contracts when they have already been signed. Try it and see what happens. And if they give permission IPL and not others,it becomes discrimination.
Those guys are SOL.Yes, this only affects players under contract to play red ball county cricket.
Agree. If you carry out activity that will impact your contractual obligations, the employer has the right to prevent you from such activityThere is no change to the contract, the contract is just being enforced rather than players being given special dispensation to break it. Discrimination has to be against a persons characteristics, only allowing them to temporarily break their contract to take on temporary employment with one employer but not another therefore cannot be discrimination.
So if a teacher is given time to go holiday to Ind and PK, that would be OK? Nope. The judge will ask why and they won't have an answer.Yes, this only affects players under contract to play red ball county cricket.
There is no change to the contract, the contract is just being enforced rather than players being given special dispensation to break it. Discrimination has to be against a persons characteristics, only allowing them to temporarily break their contract to take on temporary employment with one employer but not another therefore cannot be discrimination.