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His aerial shots lack oomph and power , nonetheless not a bad player to have as a backup in ODis , WIsh we could find Nasir Jamshed type ferocious stroke maker with a head on his shoulder as well.
He needs to but some weight on
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He has a very impressive SR of 156 in National T20 Cup with 11 sixes, this is what we need upfront.
First time I saw him he was 16 years old but have gained some hight now. Could be a real asset. Looks very organized as well.
First time I saw him he was 16 years old but have gained some hight now. Could be a real asset. Looks very organized as well.
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This boy is absolute class
He isn’t shy of taking the game on and keep the scoreboard ticking at a high strike rate!
He isn’t shy of taking the game on and keep the scoreboard ticking at a high strike rate!
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He’s very good. To nit pick, he could be better at playing the pull shot. Hopefully inshAllah better coaching will improve him. I hope he doesn’t get picked for Pakistan anytime soon, because he needs to keep playing and developing rather than sit on the bench behind Imam, Fakhar, Rizzy etc.
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Watching him bat right now for the first time.
He should be fast tracked into the team if he has a good string of performances behind him.
Currently batting on 37 from 17 balls chasing 180.
It's not just the numbers, but watching him bat just makes me think he has everything needed to succeed.
Free flowing, natural stroke maker. One of those guys who are naturally talented rather than manufactured by hardwork.
He should be fast tracked into the team if he has a good string of performances behind him.
Currently batting on 37 from 17 balls chasing 180.
It's not just the numbers, but watching him bat just makes me think he has everything needed to succeed.
Free flowing, natural stroke maker. One of those guys who are naturally talented rather than manufactured by hardwork.
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Done really well in the tournament so far
Done really well in the tournament so far
2nd highest SR in that list & most sixes too.
Player of the tournament.
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Done really well in the tournament so far
He looks nothing like the player from the PSL.
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He should never be fast tracked.
Amazing shots today but gave away an easy chance when on zero. That wasn’t a technical issue as much as it was a pressure shot. He needs to get acclimatised to being ‘the guy’ for Sindh. That’s means he plays this whole domestic season. That way he may be a late unlikely shout for the 2023 ODI WC. I’d prefer he had two PSL seasons, so I’d rather see him brought in by late 2024.
That is what you call a planned pathway. Destroying a youngsters actual temperamental and technical development, just because the current team can do better, is unfair on the lad.
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Saw him today, very impressive, he should be in the national team.
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He is 20-21 already i think. Think he could be groomed better in the national side. But i agree that the only thing he needs to improve is his temperament. Either way, he needs to be treated carefully because there is immense potential there.
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Was looking good today. Hope he is nurtured properly and not wasted as they are so used to doing... Haider Ali being the newest victim...
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In with a chance to be the highest run getter in the tournament provided he has a really good game in the final. Best of luck.
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He needs to work on his game against short ball
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lol they are two different types of players
Saim reminds me of Salman Butt bursting on to the scene in 2004. He is far more aerial and not scared to take risks whereas Butt was a bit more conservative
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That pick up shot for six over cow corner was something.
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Saim has a much wider range of shots than salman butt and greater natural ability. Saeed Anwar would be a much better comparison.
Highly unfortunate that Saim isn’t part of the national squad. Such talent must be fast tracked.
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He was fast tracked to PSL wasn't he? His most common shot there was the aerial shot i.e. swiping at the air after missing the ball completely.
He's had a good tournament, shown some talent but still miles away from international level.
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Let’s see if he gets picked by any franchise in PSL draft. Last time I don’t think QG picked him in their squad so I don’t know if they’ll get to play right to match card. Imagine Zalmi opening with Haider and Saim!
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That was almost 2 years ago and at that point don’t think he’d even played a single domestic game in any format?
Today hes already made a mountain of runs with the second 11s and has been the find of this tournament. Based on what I’ve seen he’s ready to be fast tracked into the odi and t20 teams, with the test team to follow after this season of fc cricket.
You don’t wait around with the once in a generation talents.
Similarly huraira should be fast tracked into the test and possibly the odi teams after this domestic season.
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Another once in a generation talent in Haider Ali was also fast tracked, as was once in a generation talent Naseem Shah. So too was Mohammed Haris. As was Hasnain from 4 years ago.
Because we had success with Inzi, Wasim and Mohammed Aamir, we think that ‘fast tracking’ is the way to go. These youngsters then step into international cricket, have a few good games and then get found out because they’re still half baked. Haider is currently lost and has indeed suffered from a lack of game time. Naseem had to go away and work on his skills to get back to some semblance of progress. Hasnain has begun to show some progress, but still has much room for improvement. Haris is currently in the Pakistan squad but lost in the wilderness.
Fast tracking only ever works if a young player will play regularly. Young players in any sport need game time to develop their technique, get used to match pressure and game awareness and most importantly get actual confidence in their ability, rather than temporary youthful exuberance.
Multiple posters on here want this lad to get fast tracked because they’re still upset about the Asia Cup loss. They expect a young kid to suddenly right the ship at the top of the order against world class bowling, many leagues above what he’s currently facing. He fails, then gets labelled a failure and goes away to the domestics with a shattered confidence.
Nah. Let him have two full domestic seasons, work on his shortcomings (there are still a lot) and then play for Pakistan fully formed. In that way, he serves Pakistan for a decade, rather than for a few months before he’s sent back to domestic cricket.
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Mixes gorgeous shots with filthy slogs. I think the kind of player he aspires to be requires a much broader frame.
He’s a fine talent though he needs to stop playing these slogs across the line. His off side game is as good as anyone in Pakistan. I have to state that he needs to work on the short stuff doesn’t look comfortable against it at all. Hopefully he plays the whole season in all formats.
He hits them big despite his small frame. Has the gift of bat speed and real timing
I think you are right. In my opinion highly talented bowlers need to be fast tracked so they can adapt to the high levels of competition and not waste milage in domestic cricket. Both Shaheen and Naseem have been fast tracked. Shaheen is already paying dividends and I am hopeful Naseem will start soon.
Hasnain was never a generational talent. His alignment is not that great, and he needs work on his bowling action. Dahani is a better talent.
Batters need a bit more time to develop temperamentally and should be eased in.
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He looks like he has grown in confidence and physicality since I saw him in PSL a couple of years ago with QG.
He is definitely on the right track with his batting approach and intent. At first I thought Chris Gayle was just praising him for the sake of it, because he is young, left handed and in Pakistan to earn money. But now I feel Gayle saw something special in him. The boy looks like an Indian IPL opener more than a Pakistani domestic opener
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Shaheen and Babar were both fast tracked and it worked. I put Saim in a similar category. It has also worked with shafique in test cricket. There are players for which exceptions are and should be made. I’m not saying play Saim in test cricket, he should play one season of domestic before that, but I’m comfortable getting him a proper run in the shorter formats. I do agree with you that he must play consistently and not be sitting on the sidelines.
Ian Chappell had a piece recently about how around age 20 is the time to debut those once in a generation cases in test cricket (Ponting was the example he mentioned). Of course there are differences case by case. There are just some talents that can make the leap and holding them back in domestic cricket can actually stall their progress.
I put huraira and Saim both in that category and would push them to the national side (huraira in test cricket and Saim in the shorter formats).
If not now, I hope it happens post World Cup.
Babar wasn't really fast-tracked, he played all levels of junior cricket and then considerable domestic cricket. In fact when he made his debut he had 64 List A games and 36 First Class games under his belt- around the same amount as Joe Root, Steven Smith & Virat Kohli when they all entered international cricket. In this domestic structure with only 6 teams, it'll take guys like Saim, Hurraira etc 3-4 years to reach those numbers, and that's if they play every game. Guys like Haider Ali & Mohammad Haris might take double that since we keep wasting their development by having them sit on the bench during our domestic seasons.
It's vital that these young batsmen stay in domestic cricket until the ages of 24-26, unless they absolutely dominate 2 seasons in a row. A batsman needs a certain level of domestic experience, and that's not something you should be gaining at the international level. Unfortunately, what was supposed to happen in a 6-team structure was that the improved quality of cricket would make up for the lower quantity, but when I look at the National T20 and see Sohail Khan as the top wicket taker and Sohail Tanvir averaging 56 at a SR of 150, I seriously doubt that's the case.
Just saying but fans always want these young upcoming players to be fast tracked to the team and when they struggle, which is common since you're facing bowlers with more pace than domestic and spinners have more mystery/turn/deceptive googly's than what you have faced in domestic, people are ready to write them off or call them busts at initial signs of failure.
For now, Saim Ayub should play a full season domestic, especially FC matches. He'll get a chance in PSL too and the player will tell you himself he is ready if he is dominating for a prolonged stretch of time.
After PSL & domestic season is over, there is a series vs NZ for ODI's & T20's so if he has continued to dominate since then, maybe he can get a look there. As an opener, it's going to be a bit tough to breakthrough but a lot of things can change until then.
For now, Saim Ayub should play a full season domestic, especially FC matches. He'll get a chance in PSL too and the player will tell you himself he is ready if he is dominating for a prolonged stretch of time.
After PSL & domestic season is over, there is a series vs NZ for ODI's & T20's so if he has continued to dominate since then, maybe he can get a look there. As an opener, it's going to be a bit tough to breakthrough but a lot of things can change until then.
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Those stats are incorrect. Steve smith had 13 fc games when he debuted and Babar maybe a dozen. Even now babar has only played in total 36 fc games outside of test cricket. Root I can believe since the English season has 15 odd games but they all were playing for their country by age 21.
If you wait till 24-26 to debut quality talent you’ve already wasted some of the best years of their careers. Ponting debuted at 20. Clarke at 20. Kallis at 20. Williamson at 20. Tendulkar at 16, Lara at 20. None of them would have possibly played 36 fc games at that point. Even babar was 21 and had nt had any notable success in fc cricket when he debuted. You take a leap of faith with outstanding talent. We did the right thing with shafique even though he had only played 2 FC games.
Pietersen is one exception and debuted at 25 because he had to wait for English qualification. We missed out on some of his best years.
Again I agree that once selected they should be given a proper run and not be sitting on the benches.
The quality of cricket in this t20 tournament was pretty good. Don’t just go by the stats. The players supposedly ahead in the pecking order (Malik and Shan) didn’t have stellar stats for that matter.
Point might be moot anyway since huraira will have played a second season of fc cricket by the time the next test series rolls out. Hopefully he’ll have done well and we won’t hold him back for another couple years!
And as for Saim I hope we get him a debut post World Cup and in the meantime he piles on the runs to pressure our conservative think tank.
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Perhaps I phrased my initial response in a clumsy way. There is no issue with fast tracking genuine prospects, as long as its managed correctly. As you and I know, in the volatile world of Pakistan cricket, good management is more the exception than the rule. Short termism and lack of patience rules, the captain will invariably look for players that can help him win immediately and the fans and media themselves are culpable for a complete of patience.
Now, you mentioned Babar, Shaheen and Shafique as recent successes. Id put a qualifier against each of those names.
Babar, with whatever first class experience he had, came into prominence under the selection of Inzy and the coaching of Mickey Arthur. Inzy gave him enough rope, Mickey actually coached him and put him in positions of game responsibility. If you recall, Babar wasnt actually a certified success out of the gate, he was still rough around the edges but they appreciated his positive qualities enough to persist with him. This is a good example of successful development at international level, with the key here being stable, credible people overseeing his development.
Shaheen, on the other hand, was an accident. He debuted in an England series after having a good PSL, but at that point Pakistans fast bowling resources, especially opening bowling was in a bad way. Hasan, after a bad Asia Cup gas started his descent in form, and the injuries were piling up. Wahab got absolutely smashed by Hales at Lords whilst England scored 400. Junaid Khan had lost two yards of pace. Amir took up the slack, but was then bowled into the ground. So we had to play Shaheen. Initially, he too was not a flying success, being taken to the cleaners at the Asia Cup. But, with the lack of resources we kept playing him, with his first big performance being against NZ in the 2019 WC. Here, unlike Babars case it was really a genuine lack of options that gave Shaheen playing time. He also took his chance well, which helped him. Success, but it was more happenstance than good management
Shafique, I would say, has been successful despite Pakistans (read Misbahs) management of him. They select him for T20s and after a good start against Zimbabwe on dead covid time wickets, we throw him into a t20 series away to NZ, after an difficult covid bubble. He, playing in the wrong format to start his career in, inevitably fails as nerves get the best of him. The likes of Shoaib Akhtar and others absolutely crucify him for being mentally weak. He then rides the bench for a year plus under the coaching of Misbah, as we continue to persist with Abid Ali, Imran Butt and Shan Masood. It takes Abid Alis health problems, Butts non performance and Masoods calamitous loss in form for even a spot to open up (Because we want to give rope to older players that should be performing NOW, rather than given a million chances). By this point the lad has spent months on the bench without a ball faced, and his development stagnating.
Saqi, as one who actually does give people opportunities, finally calls him against the Australians, where luckily his first game is on the Rawalpindi road. Alhamdullillah he takes his opportunity and were off. Again, this is happenstance, and actually bad player management rather than effective fast tracking
My point is this. If Saim is selected (say for the NZ series), there has to be consensus between Coach, Captain and Chief Selector that he will play a certain number of games in his preferred position. If hes just selected and left to Babars whims, then we are just messing with Saims development like we almost did with Abdullah Shafiques.
The issue is not fast tracking, but rather doing it effectively, no matter the situational or media pressures.
It is so interesting to think of what would have happened to Babar's career had Mickey not been around at the beginning and he was left to the likes of Misbah (who dropped him even from IU in PSL for example).
Its a shame that now, Babar is going the way of Misbah rather than Mickey in terms of developing players. But I would say its just too much responsibility on him. Its the PCB's fault for not hiring a strong coach who can take charge. Babar is a great player but he is no Imran Khan / Dhoni as a leader that he should have such power.
Its a shame that now, Babar is going the way of Misbah rather than Mickey in terms of developing players. But I would say its just too much responsibility on him. Its the PCB's fault for not hiring a strong coach who can take charge. Babar is a great player but he is no Imran Khan / Dhoni as a leader that he should have such power.
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This is why he needs time in the domestics. Alhamdullillah he’s quite the prospect, but at times the game comes too easy to him. He’ll learn and develop the more he plays. He’s almost guaranteed to be picked up by a PSL side as emerging player.
Definitely has an international future ahead. Would like to see how he fares in his debut FC season this year.
If Ramiz takes a break from YouTube and snatching phones from reporters, and start booking some A tours, Saim should be the first name in that squad.
If Ramiz takes a break from YouTube and snatching phones from reporters, and start booking some A tours, Saim should be the first name in that squad.
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It's a shame to see all this batting and bowling talent wasted in so much T20 competition. I wish to see them in the longer formats. Is Pakistan becoming a specialist T20 country?
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Player of the tournament (Nat T20 Cup) : Saim Ayub (416 runs), PKR 100,000
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Very similar to Haider Ali in term of his game against short ball.
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An average of 30+ and the strike rate of 150 > average 45+ and Strike rate of 120 in t20 cricket. You are not going to take the wickets you save in one innings in to the next one.
The FC literally starts in like a week.
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Saim said in his interview that he looks to give his team the impact they need
This is the correct mindset. He is 18 and he knows better than 28 year olds playing for Pakistan!
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Imam and Fakhar should also be on high alert
This boy will take the spot of one or the other in the ODI side too!
This boy will take the spot of one or the other in the ODI side too!
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Impressed with the much improved 20 year old Saim Ayub during the National T20 Cup:<br><br>Innings 12<br>Runs 416 (2nd highest in the tournament)<br>Sixes 19 (most in the tournament)<br>Fours 48 (most in the tournament)<br>Average 34.66<br>Strike-rate 155.22<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NationalT20Cup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NationalT20Cup</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1571929125656625153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 19, 2022</a></blockquote>
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I don't think they will pick him untill after another season.
Can he stil play as a emerging category player becouse he has already been in that category before.
Can he be picked again as a emerging category?
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He can, as he’s under 23 and a non Pakistan player. I can imagine whoever lucks out in the draft going for him straight away. I cld even see him being picked in the silver category, to allow a team to get first dibs on him. The place that suits him best is QG, however PZ is also not a bad shout if Akmal doesn’t open.
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Player of the tournament!
Yes agreed QG and PZ as both need an opener.
Probably the most complete Pakistani batsman at this age. Babar was a prodigy but I doubt even he took a national T20 tournament by storm like this kid. Should have had at least a season of first class experience by now but things work strangely in Pakistan. Nonetheless all the best to him for coming season.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sindh coach Mohammad Masroor working with Saim Ayub ahead of a very successful National T20 Cup for the 20 year old batter <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NationalT20Cup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NationalT20Cup</a> <a href="https://t.co/SjiUKqCaJF">pic.twitter.com/SjiUKqCaJF</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1572199063034134528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Always exciting seeing a player who is willing to work hard.
The prodigious talents of pakistan don't excite anymore because that never works out.
Its actually the players like Rizwan, Shan etc who are noticeably greedy with working/ training like crazy that rise to the top.
The prodigious talents of pakistan don't excite anymore because that never works out.
Its actually the players like Rizwan, Shan etc who are noticeably greedy with working/ training like crazy that rise to the top.
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I just the boy is given time to develop and to work hard. We expect every prodigy to be a hit out of the gate. He has a lot going for him, but there’s a lot more to learn.
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Good talent but shouldn't be fast tracked.. batsman should play min.3 first class seasons before playing for national team,unless you are Tendulkar...
He should play 4 day cricket and play a min.of 10 thousand balls for any consideration in national team.
Let batters earn place in national team and it should be never gifted as has been to khushdil,asif and useless company.
Bowlers ,if extraordinarily talented and have furious raw pace can always be fast tracked.
He should play 4 day cricket and play a min.of 10 thousand balls for any consideration in national team.
Let batters earn place in national team and it should be never gifted as has been to khushdil,asif and useless company.
Bowlers ,if extraordinarily talented and have furious raw pace can always be fast tracked.
Agreed. And we’re not desperate, I’d say top order batters is our most packed spot with the likes of Abdullah, Imam, Shan available across formats. Saim is not a dasher who can add something new to the opening slot so should use the time to develope his game.
Exactly. It’s not just number of balls either, it’s actual game time where you build innings.
In the nets you can take a few balls and get lazy with soft dismissals.
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good tournie, but national t20 standard is low, needs to replicate in psl and I'm pretty sure hell be in the pak team given he's a leftie.
Hopefully looking forward to his performance in Qaid E Azam do you know when the squads will be announced.
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Twenty-year-old Saim Ayub – whose extraordinary batting at the top of the order helped Sindh to maiden National T20 title this month – showed his class on first-class debut with a solid 71 off 96 (nine fours and a six).
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Looks very tidy. He reminds me of the young Ind or SL batsman. Let's hope for a good season with 3 100s and them he will start to knock on the door
He’s quite a talent but he’s currently very poor against the short stuff, needs to work on it and you have an excellent player in the making.
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looks very good .Hopefully he is not rushed to national team
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