Muhammad Saad
ODI Debutant
- Joined
- Jul 9, 2006
- Runs
- 9,282
The only such type of player who could have actually become a beast was Nasir Jamshed but sadly he threw it away like Asif
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please stop comparing him to saeed anwar, honestly, how can someone with no fc centuries be compared to someone who was arguably the best test opener of his generation?
he has a few good flashy strokes but he is nowhere as aesthetically pleasing as anwar, and in talent terms 21yo saim is miles off of 21 yo saeed.
I think the comparison is stylistic and this kid definitely has the effortless timing and grace. Again, that doesn't mean he will be saeed anwar or even close to him.
Secondly, saeed anwar debuted in 89 in ODIs, he was 22 i think by that point and had three seasons of FC. I don't have the resources to research his FC record prior to debut but i would think he would be massively experienced. Saim averages 32 in 10 games in FC and 47 in 14 games in List A. i think it is unnecessarily critical to put him down. he clearly needs more work but has demonstrable talent.
I'm not putting him down, but saving him from a dangerous comparison, stylistically saim ayub throws his hands at the ball far more anwar, who used deft footwork to get himself in superior positions, so even when he was playing full blooded shots they seemed to flow with a natural grace.
saim could be a good player, but his propensity to throw his hands, if not corrected, will limit his potential as a batsman imo.
Saim Ayub 57*(29) so far - amazing strokeplay and taking on Lahore (and Pakistan's) top bowlers on with ease.
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Looks like Saeed anwar esque. But he needs to learn how to put his foot down once the power player is over. Still got a fair bit to go but the best batting talent in pakistan by a mile
He is the best batting talent prospect from Pakistan in the past two decades.
He’s defintely like prime Jamshed like a poster said.
He is the best batting talent prospect from Pakistan in the past two decades.
He’s defintely like prime Jamshed like a poster said.
How can these 2 statements go together.You mean to say that jamshed was the best batting talent of pakistan in the last 20 years.
Yea, I think that Nasir Jamshed was the best batting talent prospect of Pakistan in the last 20 years.
No Pakistani batter that I know of since 2003 was more talented than Jamshed.
Saim Ayub is the best talent I’ve seen since then.
Salman Butt was good as well for white ball cricket. He would have done well had he not gone down the wrong path
Yes if a strike rate of 70 is your benchmark for one days! And Butt generally struggled to get going in T20.
Salman Butt was good as well for white ball cricket. He would have done well had he not gone down the wrong path
Yea, I think that Nasir Jamshed was the best batting talent prospect of Pakistan in the last 20 years.
No Pakistani batter that I know of since 2003 was more talented than Jamshed.
Saim Ayub is the best talent I’ve seen since then.
Are you kidding me just because he got 3 100s against a below average indian bowling lineup he was the most talented pakistani batsmen since 2003.The guy failed everytime he steped outside the sub-continent.Was a FTB at best.
An India bashed in an era when India lacked quality pacers.He debuted in 2004 and that was a different era. Butt was a good player of pace and piercing the field in the powerplay. 6 ODI hundreds against India, so he was an India basher which is the kind of player you need.
An India bashed in an era when India lacked quality pacers.
His t20 strike rate is 112. That’s pretty pathetic.
An India bashed in an era when India lacked quality pacers.
His t20 strike rate is 112. That’s pretty pathetic.
What about Imam though?Him and Fakhar have to open for us in the ODI WC
Too early for international selection or do you feel he is ready?
Too early for international selection or do you feel he is ready?
Clearly a talented lad, but it’s too early for him. He needs to bulk up and add more shots against spin.
Also need to learn the ramp for short bowling.
I remember how we destroyed Haider Ali’s development. We need to be careful w/ Saim. He’s very good but still undercooked.
What about Imam though?
No need for soft runs.
Clearly a talented lad, but it’s too early for him. He needs to bulk up and add more shots against spin.
Also need to learn the ramp for short bowling.
I remember how we destroyed Haider Ali’s development. We need to be careful w/ Saim. He’s very good but still undercooked.
Haider Ali seems to me not a very smart guy, Saim looks an intelligent young man. He analyze the situation better and his match awareness is very good for his age . Saim is ready to be tried at national level, where he will learn even more.
Highlights of Saim's innings against MS where he made 58(33)
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He will need to prove himself on pitches that aren't complete pancakes, but nevertheless I'm impressed with the level of stroke-play I've seen. He doesn't blindly slog as much as Haris or Haider.
Strong wrists and quick reflexes with great hand-eye coordination. Very unPakistani like talent - but definitely a very promising talent.
However, there is a good 80% chance that he will fail in the international arena - for two main reasons.
1 - False Flag. He is feeling good about hitting sixes in these 57 meter boundaries, but in the international games he won't last long when the boundaries are stretched to 70/75 meters.
2 - Somewhat Immature and inexperienced. He seems to believe primarily in hitting sixes.
To counter both these points, he needs to build some muscle - but more importantly, he needs to learn and focus on how to play more grounded shots in the gaps to get more fours.
In bigger grounds, you will get catch out on miss-hits when you try a six, so trying to hit more fours is THE BEST approach.
We lost the T20 WC exactly due to lack of this super important point in match awareness. Many of our batters got out trying to hit six in that large Australian ground. None thought about using common sense and hit more fours instead.
I can gaurentee all of Babar’s and Rizwan’s fans will want him to fail every game
I want him to do well, but I just worry that the call-up has come too soon.
Time will tell.
There seems to be a technical issue as well. That backfoot doesn't move at all to cover the line of the ball or to get on top of short pitched balls
I can gaurentee all of Babar’s and Rizwan’s fans will want him to fail every game
These kids need some experience around them.
I think the selectors went overboard in picking new players.
Imad, Shadab, Nawaz and Nasim have decent experience. 4 experienced players is decent in the playing eleven. The selectors and the PCB gave these youngsters a chance and they squandered it.
These kids need some experience around them.
I think the selectors went overboard in picking new players.
Mickey with same sentiments.
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All this tour has done was damage confidence of some youngsters by having them fight amongst themselves for a spot. The know that when Babar and Rizwan (and possibly fakhar and others) come back some of them will lose their spot. So extremely pressurised situation.These kids need some experience around them.
I think the selectors went overboard in picking new players.
All this tour has done was damage confidence of some youngsters by having them fight amongst themselves for a spot. The know that when Babar and Rizwan (and possibly fakhar and others) come back some of them will lose their spot. So extremely pressurised situation.
Should have batted with Rizwan and Babar. Way less pressure, easier to perform. And because they aren’t playing in the positions of established players in the team, more room to give them longer runs even if they do fail.
Now we have a bunch of youngsters with poor stats, low confidence, blamed for the first ever defeat against Afghanistan.
Imad, Shadab, Nawaz and Nasim have decent experience. 4 experienced players is decent in the playing eleven. The selectors and the PCB gave these youngsters a chance and they squandered it.
None are top order batsmen.
We could have rested Babar in this series and Rizwan in the next.
Alternatively we could have 'rested' the opening pair of RizBab and let Saim and Haris have opportunities in opening alongside them.
I think we went overboard in selecting too many raw players and Saim ended up in waters too deep.
It’s because we have just two experienced batsmen that they play.India usually rests Kohli, Sharma and other senior players in series like these. Our youngsters simply need to man up and step up.
Playing Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Rauf against Afghanistan and a depleted NZ team serves no purpose.