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[VIDEOS] Saim Ayub - Young Pakistani batting prospect

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You just need to see his domestic record to know he’s there 100% on merit. Easier to talk nonsense then to do some basic research.
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Domestic records mean zilch to me. I’ve seen him play. I know what he is and what he is capable of. He isn’t on the level of the kid that’s being kept out because of him. Simple as
 
Rana said:
Domestic records mean zilch to me. I’ve seen him play. I know what he is and what he is capable of. He isn’t on the level of the kid that’s being kept out because of him. Simple as
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I think he isn't ready to be honest. He was dropped twice in both tests here but obviously he scored.

Yes just seen Saims name on the TV screen but wasnt on Cricinfo.
 
Rana said:
Domestic records mean zilch to me. I’ve seen him play. I know what he is and what he is capable of. He isn’t on the level of the kid that’s being kept out because of him. Simple as
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Who care if doesn't mean Zilch to you. Thankfully it means something to people who matter and that's why Huraira is rightfully there, opening. Advocating for one talented young player doesn't mean you disparage the other. Huraira is there on merit. In fact, he merits a place ahead of Saim if it's between the two.
 
Pakistan missed a trick for not preparing Saim for this year’s ODI WC.

He could have done a 1992 Inzi.

But hey our team think tank want to play safe.
 
8 in the previous OD game vs Zimbabwe Select

Needs to show some improvement now - playing as an opener so this is supposedly his slot.
 
MenInG said:
8 in the previous OD game vs Zimbabwe Select

Needs to show some improvement now - playing as an opener so this is supposedly his slot.
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He was given out incorrectly in first match but was struggling and playing hairy fairy shots
 
Omer2002 said:
He was given out incorrectly in first match but was struggling and playing hairy fairy shots
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First ball duck

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Improvement I suppose - out for 28(25) in 3rd OD vs Zim Select
 
MenInG said:
Improvement I suppose - out for 28(25) in 3rd OD vs Zim Select
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Dropped in the 4th ODI - probably due to unsatisfactory performances.

Big mistake - needed to be played for all games.
 
I like the look of him , he will definitely improve with time. Learn and work hard he must.
 
Zimbabwe pitches are not the easiest of the pitches especially for the players who like to play their shots.
 
Saim Ayub will be in action for Toronto Nationals in the GT20 Canada 2023
 
Saim ayub scores 24*(16) for the Amazon Warriors against the Saint Lucia Kings

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What’s the point of him developing as an opener? He will bat at 3 or 4 for Pakistan
 
Rana said:
What’s the point of him developing as an opener? He will bat at 3 or 4 for Pakistan
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Even if Saim Ayub is expected to bat at number 3 or 4 for Pakistan eventually, his development as an opener can contribute to his overall growth as a cricketer and increase his value to the team.
 
At times his style of playing wristy shots reminds me of Saeed Anwar.

Certainly, a promising prospect for Pakistan.
 
Good to see Saim Ayub doing well in CPL and getting used to Caribbean conditions. With the WC happening there in 2024, he is getting himself acclimated well there.
 
It's pleasing to witness Saim Ayub's impressive performance in the CPL. I believe he could have been a suitable replacement for Fakhar Zaman, given his aggressive style of play and ability to fill Fakhar's role effectively.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
It's pleasing to witness Saim Ayub's impressive performance in the CPL. I believe he could have been a suitable replacement for Fakhar Zaman, given his aggressive style of play and ability to fill Fakhar's role effectively.
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No, atm moment. He should be pur permanent t20 Opener though. But rn he's raw and isn't ready to be on the odi team.

However he should defo be the next replacement for fakhar. Fakhar is 33 and I think fakahr has max 5 to 6 years left in him.

By then saim would be a solid 25 to 26 and should have matured enough
 
Nasty Naz said:
Like the series vs NZ showed, he doesn't need to open and he can still be lethal coming at 3/4 which is Pakistan very weak at.
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He doesn't need to but he should. You can't tell me Rizwan and Babar are better T20 openers than him.
 
People need to be patient. He is obviously the long-term replacement for Fakhar and will open in white ball cricket for a long time. His time will come.
 
Should be the backup opener for this WC.

There should be someone we can turn to in case one of our openers hit a rut during the tournament
 
I doubt that he will be picked, But if Abdullah Shafique is not in the squad for World Cup then Saim is definitely knocking.
Marooned said:
Should be the backup opener for this WC.

There should be someone we can turn to in case one of our openers hit a rut during the tournament
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Mamoon said:
People need to be patient. He is obviously the long-term replacement for Fakhar and will open in white ball cricket for a long time. His time will come.
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Na mate I don’t think he will open

Babar and Rizwan are our openers until 2040

Kis dunya main reh rahe hain aap?
 
Saim Ayub
Mohammad Harris
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Tayyab Tahir

I will die peacefully if I ever get to witness this in my lifetime.
 
Rana said:
Na mate I don’t think he will open

Babar and Rizwan are our openers until 2040

Kis dunya main reh rahe hain aap?
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This Rizwan drama will end soon. Things change quickly in Pakistan cricket - it takes little for you to go from hero to zero.

Rizwan capitalized on Sarfraz’s sudden fall from grace. Haris or someone else will capitalize on Rizwan’s sudden fall from grace. The cycle will continue.

It took two years for Sarfraz to go from the most loved son of Pakistan cricket and supposedly the best leader since Imran to a complete outcast.

Hassan Ali was supposed to be Pakistan’s next superstar but he ended up becoming the most mocked cricketer in the team.

Things will change very quickly for Rizwan and for the worse. You shall see.
 
Mamoon said:
This Rizwan drama will end soon. Things change quickly in Pakistan cricket - it takes little for you to go from hero to zero.

Rizwan capitalized on Sarfraz’s sudden fall from grace. Haris or someone else will capitalize on Rizwan’s sudden fall from grace. The cycle will continue.

It took two years for Sarfraz to go from the most loved son of Pakistan cricket and supposedly the best leader since Imran to a complete outcast.

Hassan Ali was supposed to be Pakistan’s next superstar but he ended up becoming the most mocked cricketer in the team.

Things will change very quickly for Rizwan and for the worse. You shall see.
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Sarfraz didn't deserve what happened to him, misbah is the Destroyer of careers.

Sarfraz unlike our clueless captain instilled and winning mindset in the team, his field placement sense was perfect and he actually rotated bowlers, as soon as pandya started recovering India, sarfraz brought his pacers back and after pandya fell, he just went in for the kill, not like babar who's forumlic.

Our 2019 endeavour wasn't bad, we got unlucky due to a freak West indies collapse. Otherwise we best 2 tournament winners. Out 2023 performance is going to be a reality check this world cup.

Sarfraz and wahab single handedly won us the same game in 2015 and sarfraz has been a quality asset to test even now in his old and unfit age.

He also isn't selfish, and is willing to bat down the order to accompany others not like rizwan who cries on tv on batting at no 5. Sarfraz was the one who figured out the imad opening in t20 Experiment and got rid of Ahmed shezad completly something misbah could never even dream of doing. Sarfraz also was willing to bat down the order.

Misbah is the Destroyer of careers. Sarfraz was fine as is, underrated player and one of the best captains to lead our team. Babar in terms of captaincy and rizwan in terms of batting do not deserve to be mentioned under the same light as sarfi.

As for hasan, I'd still want hasan in the team if we are choosing faheem lol. Does hasan merit a place more then zaman Khan, arshad iqbal or ihsanullah? No, but if management has a love affair with faheem might as well choose hasan.

Rizwan is amongst the most annoying players I have ever seen. He and shadab just get what they want, when they want.
 
mominsaigol said:
Sarfraz didn't deserve what happened to him, misbah is the Destroyer of careers.

Sarfraz unlike our clueless captain instilled and winning mindset in the team, his field placement sense was perfect and he actually rotated bowlers, as soon as pandya started recovering India, sarfraz brought his pacers back and after pandya fell, he just went in for the kill, not like babar who's forumlic.

Our 2019 endeavour wasn't bad, we got unlucky due to a freak West indies collapse. Otherwise we best 2 tournament winners. Out 2023 performance is going to be a reality check this world cup.

Sarfraz and wahab single handedly won us the same game in 2015 and sarfraz has been a quality asset to test even now in his old and unfit age.

He also isn't selfish, and is willing to bat down the order to accompany others not like rizwan who cries on tv on batting at no 5. Sarfraz was the one who figured out the imad opening in t20 Experiment and got rid of Ahmed shezad completly something misbah could never even dream of doing. Sarfraz also was willing to bat down the order.

Misbah is the Destroyer of careers. Sarfraz was fine as is, underrated player and one of the best captains to lead our team. Babar in terms of captaincy and rizwan in terms of batting do not deserve to be mentioned under the same light as sarfi.

As for hasan, I'd still want hasan in the team if we are choosing faheem lol. Does hasan merit a place more then zaman Khan, arshad iqbal or ihsanullah? No, but if management has a love affair with faheem might as well choose hasan.

Rizwan is amongst the most annoying players I have ever seen. He and shadab just get what they want, when they want.
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Sarfraz led Pakistan to one of its most embarrassing periods in ODI history during the 2018-19 period.

The W/L ratio against the major sides was minnow like and he wasn’t going to milk the CT forever.

In addition, his own performances were non-existent. He had to go because he could no longer merit a place ahead of Rizwan especially in white ball cricket.

Rizwan worked very hard and kept his head down for so long when he was waiting for his time, he has become too big for his boots over the last couple of years which means his downfall isn’t far.

I used to really like him but his over the top antics, fake injuries and bullish statements have made him very unlikable. His performances are nothing special either.
 
Mamoon said:
Sarfraz led Pakistan to one of its most embarrassing periods in ODI history during the 2018-19 period.

The W/L ratio against the major sides was minnow like and he wasn’t going to milk the CT forever.

In addition, his own performances were non-existent. He had to go because he could no longer merit a place ahead of Rizwan especially in white ball cricket.

Rizwan worked very hard and kept his head down for so long when he was waiting for his time, he has become too big for his boots over the last couple of years which means his downfall isn’t far.

I used to really like him but his over the top antics, fake injuries and bullish statements have made him very unlikable. His performances are nothing special either.
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For the first point, understand that we actually had a superior team under sarfraz. With the exception of our current bowling trio, the opening combination was the same as it is now, with hafeez, Malik, Haris sohail and imad waseem middle order being 10x superior to our current order.

It goes to show how lucky babar has been to only face 2nd string sides.

And babar's W/L ratio is against 2nd strings or minnows as well, I don't see your point. If anything we have regressed under babar, not improved. Our 2019 performance will be superior to our 2023 performance mark my words.

Rizwan didn't work hard, Rizwan was completly and utterly useless at his original no 6 position, far more useless them sarfraz will ever be. The fact a current out if form sarfraz replaced rizwan in test proves my point.

Rizwan was shoved into opening and whined his way to come at no 4, where he gave the illusion that he's performing when in reality he's just minnow bashing lol.
 
mominsaigol said:
For the first point, understand that we actually had a superior team under sarfraz. With the exception of our current bowling trio, the opening combination was the same as it is now, with hafeez, Malik, Haris sohail and imad waseem middle order being 10x superior to our current order.

It goes to show how lucky babar has been to only face 2nd string sides.

And babar's W/L ratio is against 2nd strings or minnows as well, I don't see your point. If anything we have regressed under babar, not improved. Our 2019 performance will be superior to our 2023 performance mark my words.

Rizwan didn't work hard, Rizwan was completly and utterly useless at his original no 6 position, far more useless them sarfraz will ever be. The fact a current out if form sarfraz replaced rizwan in test proves my point.

Rizwan was shoved into opening and whined his way to come at no 4, where he gave the illusion that he's performing when in reality he's just minnow bashing lol.
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Captains live and die by results.

Sarfraz led Pakistan to 24 defeats in 31 matches during the 2018-19 period with hardly any notable individual contribution.

It was not possible for him to survive that. A performing captain leading a losing team, for example Misbah in ODIs, can survive because of his own performances but a non-performing captain leading a non-performing team has nowhere to hide.

Sarfraz’s biggest failure was neglecting his own performances. At an individual level, he became a completely dispensable player because he never occupied a prominent batting position.

Had Sarfraz cemented himself at number four or five instead of batting below tailenders on numerous occasions, he wouldn’t have been thrown out of the team so suddenly.

Everyone who understandings anything about cricket knows that this Pakistan team is not even close to being number 1.

A full strength India, England, Australia and New Zealand will beat Pakistan in an ODI series anywhere in the world so how can Pakistan claim to be number 1. They cannot.

However, Babar has led Pakistan to a lot of wins against those who have played against Pakistan with weakened teams and he is also scoring a truckload of runs.

In addition, he has led Pakistan to consecutive finals in tournaments whereas under Sarfraz, Pakistan achieved nothing in tournaments after the CT. He failed to make the final of the Asia Cup in 2018 and the knockout stage of the 2019 World Cup.

On top of that, Sarfraz was not contributing as a player. Babar is doing a lot of things right or a lot of things are going right for him which didn’t for Sarfraz and that is why his position as captain isn’t under threat.

I also disagree that Pakistan’s ODI team in 2018-19 was better than the current one.

Fakhar was in very poor form throughout the 2019 World Cup. He is in equally poor form now but he had a very strong start to the year. In fact, it was the best patch of his career in terms of consistency.

Imam today is a significantly better player than he was in 2019. Same goes for Babar.

Iftikhar and Agha are upgrades on 2019 version of Malik and any version of Asif Ali.

Rizwan is better than 2018-19 version of Sarfraz.

The fast bowling trio of Shaheen, Rauf and Naseem are more effective than the trio of Amir, Hassan and Wahab.

Spin department was ordinary back then and it is ordinary today as well mainly because there was no accountability for Shadab’s lack of performance in 2019 and there is no accountability today either.

I really like Haris Sohail as an ODI player, he was the ideal number 4. However, his time has gone and I think Saud Shakeel can fit in nicely at number 4 and provide depth and stability to the middle-order.

He has the ability to come in at 4 inside the first 15 overs and score a century. Pakistan is one proper batsman short in the middle-order and in my opinion, his selection has become a necessity.

Overall, I would put my money on Babar’s 2022-23 ODI team to beat Sarfraz’s 2018-19 ODI team over the course of a series in any conditions.
 
For me, he is the best young batter in Pakistan at the moment. He is performing really well in the ongoing CPL and has everything it takes to be a part of the Pakistan T20I side. His last 3 scores in CPL are 62, 58 and 85. He has a decent average of 38.63 in List A cricket as well so he can be considered to be a part of Pakistan ODI side as well in 1-2 years time.
 
Saim's brilliance is very obvious. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that he's the best batting talent in Pakistan right now. This kind of timing, balance and length-picking is a rare thing. The only thing that needs to be figured out is whether he has the brains to go along with it. On the evidence so far, it seems like he does but we'll see.
 
Whenever he gets picked, and it might be this world cup considering the state of the team, he should OPEN. I'm sure he can bat elsewhere but why should he when he's the best LOI opener the country has seen in a looong time. Other mediocrities should be leaving their place for him not the other way round.
 
Third Man said:
He doesn't need to but he should. You can't tell me Rizwan and Babar are better T20 openers than him.
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100%. He should be open but good to see he can still be productive despite that.

Babar should be putting himself down at 3 and have Saim open in T20's.

Goes without saying but he is the obvious Fakhar replacement long term in ODi's.
 
This guy has a variety of shots in his bucket, i think PCB must consider him as replacement of Fakhar Zaman, i am sure he can do wonders there.
 
For the love of god please let this guy develop his talent for a few years before throwing him into the international arena.
 
ahmadharis1 said:
For the love of god please let this guy develop his talent for a few years before throwing him into the international arena.
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What would you like him to develop as? An opener or a middle order batsman?
 
Rana said:
What would you like him to develop as? An opener or a middle order batsman?
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In my ideal scenario he takes a few years to develop into a Jos Buttler type player, someone who is capable of ticking the runs along for a bit then really taking off. So probably in the middle order, but that type of playstyle lends itself to becoming a hard-hitting opener so I wouldn't be opposed to that either.
 
He doesn't strike me as a technique-less, see-ball-hit-ball hack like Fakhar, this guy has beautiful attacking strokes that are an extension of fantastic technique and footwork. He has what it takes.
 
Firebat said:
He doesn't strike me as a technique-less, see-ball-hit-ball hack like Fakhar, this guy has beautiful attacking strokes that are an extension of fantastic technique and footwork. He has what it takes.
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He's good against fast bowlers but definitely have weakness against quality spinners which most of Pakistani batsmen have except for 1 -2
 
ahmadharis1 said:
In my ideal scenario he takes a few years to develop into a Jos Buttler type player, someone who is capable of ticking the runs along for a bit then really taking off. So probably in the middle order, but that type of playstyle lends itself to becoming a hard-hitting opener so I wouldn't be opposed to that either.
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Lol

So he gains prominence as an opener only to then struggle in the middle?

Why? Because you want Babar and Rizwan to open? You are part of the problem
 
Rana said:
Lol

So he gains prominence as an opener only to then struggle in the middle?

Why? Because you want Babar and Rizwan to open? You are part of the problem
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Uh what? Not sure how you reached that conclusion.

I absolutely despise the Babar/Rizwan opening combo.

All I'm saying is that I don't want this guy immediately thrown into the international arena. He is 21 years old; throwing these batsman into the deep end and dropping them after a few failures does way more harm than good. I'd rather he sticks around in domestic leagues, improves his all round game while playing the odd T20I, and then get inducted into the team as a more developed 23-25 year old
 
ahmadharis1 said:
In my ideal scenario he takes a few years to develop into a Jos Buttler type player, someone who is capable of ticking the runs along for a bit then really taking off. So probably in the middle order, but that type of playstyle lends itself to becoming a hard-hitting opener so I wouldn't be opposed to that either.
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Disagree with this theory. Not including him in the international setup will certainly backfire. He will either become a T20 mercenary now that he has amply showcased his talent or his game will regress. He will most probably be a long term LOI pick for Pakistan and not a test player (not saying he doesn't have the talent but given the glut of LOI cricket it seems unlikely). We aren't Australia or England where he will get quality domestic experience especially with the restructured domestic model. The reason we lose out on good young talent is either because of this outdated theory or because of playing players in unnatural positions, or not assigning them proper roles (eg. Haider Ali). Even if he doesn't play, he should be part of the larger squad like Abdullah Shafique has been for the last 2 years and he should be backed to come good. Will certainly benefit him. Almost all teams do this. Look at Tilak Varma, Dewald Brevis, Yashasvi Jaiswal.

As for his position he is an opener and should play as an opener.
 
amvbfm said:
Disagree with this theory. Not including him in the international setup will certainly backfire. He will either become a T20 mercenary now that he has amply showcased his talent or his game will regress. He will most probably be a long term LOI pick for Pakistan and not a test player (not saying he doesn't have the talent but given the glut of LOI cricket it seems unlikely). We aren't Australia or England where he will get quality domestic experience especially with the restructured domestic model. The reason we lose out on good young talent is either because of this outdated theory or because of playing players in unnatural positions, or not assigning them proper roles (eg. Haider Ali). Even if he doesn't play, he should be part of the larger squad like Abdullah Shafique has been for the last 2 years and he should be backed to come good. Will certainly benefit him. Almost all teams do this. Look at Tilak Varma, Dewald Brevis, Yashasvi Jaiswal.

As for his position he is an opener and should play as an opener.
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Not ready yet. Needs a season or 2
 
Farabi said:
Not ready yet. Needs a season or 2
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Which Pakistani player is ready? We don’t have an Australian alike system when players debuting for the national team are ready for international cricket. In Pakistan you see who is performing in these leauges and just select them. I am sure he can’t do worse than a Fakhar Zaman og Mohammad Haris for that matter.
 
IAJ said:
Which Pakistani player is ready? We don’t have an Australian alike system when players debuting for the national team are ready for international cricket. In Pakistan you see who is performing in these leauges and just select them. I am sure he can’t do worse than a Fakhar Zaman og Mohammad Haris for that matter.
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Tayyab and Saud are ready. They’ve grinded in the domestic for 3-4 seasons
 
Farabi said:
Tayyab and Saud are ready. They’ve grinded in the domestic for 3-4 seasons
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Tayabb and Saud (one of them only) will play only when you are resting Iftikhar or salmon. I would say Salman should be the one who can be replaced with either one of them.
 
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