Nikhil_cric
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Should have been in the World Cup squad. The only player who could have improved the squad imo.
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If I'm not wrong, Pakistan doesn't play a ODI for 1 whole year after the World Cup. It's ridiculous really. Saim needs opportunities to play at the highest level and if you are not scheduling any ODI for the next 1 year, how will he ever make the cut?
The best bet for Pakistan is to schedule ad hoc series even if it means against Ireland/Scotland/Bangladesh and give Saim all the games irrespective of failures. He definitely should play either in place of Fakhar and Imam. Fakhar and Imam are still your first-choice players but it's imperative to build a backup so that you have no hesitation in dropping either Imam or Fakhar once they go out of form.
I think ODIs will be dead after this tournament in general. There’s a reason why so many top players announce retirement from ODI and continue to play other forms of cricket - de Kock for example.If I'm not wrong, Pakistan doesn't play a ODI for 1 whole year after the World Cup. It's ridiculous really. Saim needs opportunities to play at the highest level and if you are not scheduling any ODI for the next 1 year, how will he ever make the cut?
The best bet for Pakistan is to schedule ad hoc series even if it means against Ireland/Scotland/Bangladesh and give Saim all the games irrespective of failures. He definitely should play either in place of Fakhar and Imam. Fakhar and Imam are still your first-choice players but it's imperative to build a backup so that you have no hesitation in dropping either Imam or Fakhar once they go out of form.
The truth is there is no one better in Pakistan and that’s just a fact. Unfortunately, we as fans always think the person who is not selected is always the better player but most of our aggressive openers we have tried end up being exposed as leg side hacks.Sorry but I thought Imam was the most important player in the team?
The truth is there is no one better in Pakistan and that’s just a fact. Unfortunately, we as fans always think the person who is not selected is always the better player but most of our aggressive openers we have tried end up being exposed as leg side hacks.
Still top scorer in today's game. He should be livid for getting out in the manner he did. Made a huge dent to Pakistan winning chances. Imam comfortably is the best opener in the country as of now. If Saim can reproduce his CPL heroics in the ODI game, then Imam should make way. There's no doubt that. And Saim should absolutely get multiple chances to prove himself.Sorry but I thought Imam was the most important player in the team?
The magic of a World Cup still rests with the 50 over format. No one cares about the T20 world cup.I think ODIs will be dead after this tournament in general. There’s a reason why so many top players announce retirement from ODI and continue to play other forms of cricket - de Kock for example.
I’m not sure, I like his striking and skills but his List A and FC records are not breath taking or anything like that. Who knows how he will be in international cricket. He should certainly he our opener in T20 though.Saim Ayub is better. Technically far superior and he can actually play the short ball very well. Unlike Imam, his shot range isn't so limited.
Imam is a fraud.
Most fans don’t care about either World Cup. The fascination with LOIs is mostly in the subcontinent. England and Australia would rather win an Ashes than win an ODI World Cup for example.The magic of a World Cup still rests with the 50 over format. No one cares about the T20 world cup.
Still top scorer in today's game. He should be livid for getting out in the manner he did. Made a huge dent to Pakistan winning chances. Imam comfortably is the best opener in the country as of now. If Saim can reproduce his CPL heroics in the ODI game, then Imam should make way. There's no doubt that. And Saim should absolutely get multiple chances to prove himself.
It just depends on what you value. If you’re looking for the kind of innings Warner played today, then Imam does not have the power to ever play anything like that. But I don’t see any opener in Pakistan that could play an innings like Warner did - aside from maybe Fakhar and it seems that Fakhar is out of form and has been found out.I get your rationale for rating Imam above openers who've yet to play any ODIs for Pakistan but you really rate Imam above Abdullah Shafique?
I rate Imam highly over Abdullah Shafique in ODIs because of Imam's consistency and the ability to put a price tag on his wicket. He tries to ensure that he stays on the wicket for the full 50 overs which means he holds up an end to allow the likes of Fakhar, Babar, Rizwan to bat at the other end with a higher SR. Which is why I'm highly disappointed with him today. He could've marshaled the chase so well but slashed out.I get your rationale for rating Imam above openers who've yet to play any ODIs for Pakistan but you really rate Imam above Abdullah Shafique?
I rate Imam highly over Abdullah Shafique in ODIs because of Imam's consistency and the ability to put a price tag on his wicket. He tries to ensure that he stays on the wicket for the full 50 overs which means he holds up an end to allow the likes of Fakhar, Babar, Rizwan to bat at the other end with a higher SR. Which is why I'm highly disappointed with him today. He could've marshaled the chase so well but slashed out.
I do not for one moment believe Imam has the shot making ability of Shafique. Shafique is technically far superior to Imam and even Fakhar but technically superior means nothing if you cannot score consistently. Imam is not the player that can play at a SR of 130, but over the past 2 years he has shown the ability to play at 92-93 SR. Combine that with an average of 50, you have the best opener Pakistan has ever had.
Abdullah Shafique has played two good innings now. He needs to build on this and consistently score to displace Fakhar and Imam.
I rate Imam highly over Abdullah Shafique in ODIs because of Imam's consistency and the ability to put a price tag on his wicket. He tries to ensure that he stays on the wicket for the full 50 overs which means he holds up an end to allow the likes of Fakhar, Babar, Rizwan to bat at the other end with a higher SR. Which is why I'm highly disappointed with him today. He could've marshaled the chase so well but slashed out.
I do not for one moment believe Imam has the shot making ability of Shafique. Shafique is technically far superior to Imam and even Fakhar but technically superior means nothing if you cannot score consistently. Imam is not the player that can play at a SR of 130, but over the past 2 years he has shown the ability to play at 92-93 SR. Combine that with an average of 50, you have the best opener Pakistan has ever had.
Abdullah Shafique has played two good innings now. He needs to build on this and consistently score to displace Fakhar and Imam.
You have to give 15-20 games to Abdullah before you can compare. Imam has been playing ODIs since 7 yearsI rate Imam highly over Abdullah Shafique in ODIs because of Imam's consistency and the ability to put a price tag on his wicket. He tries to ensure that he stays on the wicket for the full 50 overs which means he holds up an end to allow the likes of Fakhar, Babar, Rizwan to bat at the other end with a higher SR. Which is why I'm highly disappointed with him today. He could've marshaled the chase so well but slashed out.
I do not for one moment believe Imam has the shot making ability of Shafique. Shafique is technically far superior to Imam and even Fakhar but technically superior means nothing if you cannot score consistently. Imam is not the player that can play at a SR of 130, but over the past 2 years he has shown the ability to play at 92-93 SR. Combine that with an average of 50, you have the best opener Pakistan has ever had.
Abdullah Shafique has played two good innings now. He needs to build on this and consistently score to displace Fakhar and Imam.
There is already a thread on this.Looks like ''Saim vs Jaiswal'' thread will be made soon enough after this World cup.
Saim Ayub is the one who can provide u a quick fire start in power plays, he has that kind of ability.
He can adjust his gears as per the situation of the game.
He is going to be a next superstart for Pakistan Cricket.
Imam out- Saim Ayub inSaim Ayub has smashed a remarkable 179 off 125 balls, hitting 11 sixes and 15 fours against Rawalpindi in the ongoing Pakistan Cup. Saim ayub is in some form. Not far away from a national call.
Saim Ayub has smashed a remarkable 179 off 125 balls, hitting 11 sixes and 15 fours against Rawalpindi in the ongoing Pakistan Cup. Saim ayub is in some form. Not far away from a national call.
there are few but very raw who need good coaching but our nca is nowhere near as good as Indian ncaHe is the only decent young batting talent I have seen in domestic cricket. It is sad to see very little or no talent in Pakistan cricket.
It's really foolish to think that he would have caused miracles in this 2023 campaign. He's a talent, no doubt. One for the future, no doubt. But international cricket is a different matter.
Imagine yourself in Imam's shoes and someone tells you that you are being dropped after scoring at an average of 50 for the past 2 yearsNo. It was a crime to not include this kid in the WC squad. Especially on Indian pitches. This is what Pakistan lacked compared to other teams. Nothing to intimidate other bowlers so they ran circles around us.
There is a long history of teams playing young inexperienced players that tend to do well in big tournaments. Inzamam is a classic example.
All the more reason to include confident young players because they don't have baggage and play freely.
This was a huge mistake. World cups don't come around often and who knows what things will be like 4 years from now.
We should avoid apples-to-oranges comparisons of different eras. See how India resisted the temptation to pick Tilak Varma and Yashasvi Jaiswal when KL and SKY were struggling. They gave them confidence and developed their bench. That's what we need to do with Saim and all the other talents in the country.No. It was a crime to not include this kid in the WC squad. Especially on Indian pitches. This is what Pakistan lacked compared to other teams. Nothing to intimidate other bowlers so they ran circles around us.
There is a long history of teams playing young inexperienced players that tend to do well in big tournaments. Inzamam is a classic example.
All the more reason to include confident young players because they don't have baggage and play freely.
This was a huge mistake. World cups don't come around often and who knows what things will be like 4 years from now.
No. It was a crime to not include this kid in the WC squad. Especially on Indian pitches. This is what Pakistan lacked compared to other teams. Nothing to intimidate other bowlers so they ran circles around us.
There is a long history of teams playing young inexperienced players that tend to do well in big tournaments. Inzamam is a classic example.
All the more reason to include confident young players because they don't have baggage and play freely.
This was a huge mistake. World cups don't come around often and who knows what things will be like 4 years from now.
Lot of clamor around him to be the next big thing. Select him in international cricket now for all formats @Rana
Let's see what he is made off.
But for white ball cricket he should be right?No he should not be dumped into Intl cricket because a poster called Rana said it!
He is not ready for Red-ball cricket, yet.
Needs a good FC season.
Some people might, cause Pakistani awaam is jazbati, however I stand by my players,The same story will continue. He is the next saviour for now, Will be found out in International Cricket.
In 2027 WC people will be calling for his head and calling for him to be dropped after a few failures in WC matches.
He is still very young for that pressure. His performance is undoubtedly been brilliant but will he be able to cope with the pressure of the internationals? Too soon to say he will.But for white ball cricket he should be right?
He played a good fast knock in emerging cup vs India in finals..
Sending him into Australia would be suicide because ik Pakistan management.No he should not be dumped into Intl cricket because a poster called Rana said it!
He is not ready for Red-ball cricket, yet.
Needs a good FC season.
Decent knock but failed to accelerate after getting set. Started the innings aggressively but after that looked more interested in getting a hundredSaim Ayub scored a brilliant 95 for Karachi Whites against Multan Region in the 2nd Semi-final of Pakistan Cup 2023. He was dismissed by Zahid Mehmood. This young lad is all set for a selection and much needed one to be honest. He has been phenomenal throughout this season.
Imagine chief selector Wahab Riaz in his press conference states:No he should not be dumped into Intl cricket because a poster called Rana said it!
He is not ready for Red-ball cricket, yet.
Needs a good FC season.
We tried this with Haider. We tried this with Asif Ali. We tried this with Khushdil.Play the lad and let him play for the next 2 years without fear of permanent exile. If he has a bad trot, temporarily relieve him but keep bringing him back.
Sorry Haider Ali's technique is useless and his temperament lets not even talk about it, Saim on other hand is a prodigy. Like we rushed Mo. Amir, I would take him to all International tours and make him play for at least 2yr with or without performance.We tried this with Haider. We tried this with Asif Ali. We tried this with Khushdil.
It doesn’t work. In fact it has the opposite effect and how we destroy talented players completely.
Instead of looking at this failed model of producing players why don’t we look at one that actually worked?
Saud Shakeel was allowed to cook for multiple years in domestics. The outcome was that when he was finally picked he hit the ground running.
Saim is a great talent and will probably make it, but if you rush him you risk losing him forever.
Haider isn’t entirely blameless because we absolutely ruined that kid by mismanaging him completely. We robbed the country of a genuine batting talent.
Haider didn’t perform anywhere at his level in Domestic or franchise T20 level.Doubt I am the only one getting Haider Ali vibes.
Same amount of hype and expectation, honestly even less hype and expectation than what Haider had, identical age during the respective times, same so called aggresiveness, same hope from fans that Pakistan cricket is about to change.
Hope I am wrong but things certainly aren't looking good.
He has more shots and better footwork then both of em.As good as he is, I don’t think his bat speed is as quick as Imran Nazir and Fakhar Zaman who are more of his build.
They put saim at 4 in t20 so that Bobby and rizzu could be protected from another embrassmentCan they give this kid an extended run, what is the hold up.
They are quick to give 50 matches to medicore over the hill 30 somethings.
He needs to keep doing well as shows no consistency.In 9 matches in paksitan cup he has made 160 ....95 today and rest of the innings were 20s