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Snak3eye5 said:
The ipl has already ruined him. He has failed on foreign tours in Australia, England and southafrica. Not to mention he got whooped at home by Pakistan against experienced bowlers
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Can't say he failed.
He did have 2 Bad Tests but he did learn and we saw a better display form him in Perth and Adelaide.
Will do him a lot of good in the future.
 
Seeing him play like this just reminds us how good a player he can be. Yes the bowling was poor but sometimes you gotta put your hands up. Awesome awesome player.
 
ahmed778 said:
Kohli is going to be achieve a lot in the future.
Talented and Hard Working, learns from his mistakes quickly and has a very solid technique and a good cricketing mind.
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Almost. He is still a very poor sport, hopefully he gets that tempered a little in future.

Competitive is great, but not to the extent you are dishonest.
 
Random Aussie said:
Almost. He is still a very poor sport, hopefully he gets that tempered a little in future.

Competitive is great, but not to the extent you are dishonest.
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What has he done recently?
To be honest, I feel he's someone who hates losing. Maybe it looks petty at times, but it also fires him up to fightback
 
He's a has been washed up player. He hasnt done anything recently to gain so much praise. Give it 5 years to see if hes worth talking about.
 
Anyone seen the confrontation with Gambhir??! Almost knocked each other off... Not friends anymore??
 
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yogi: "@Shashank To be fair to him he has been pretty relaxed this IPL but he is definitely not the only one to be blamed in the incident." True, it was Gambhir at the other end, not Rahul Dravid
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Gambhir started it..Kohli won´t take it!!! :D
 
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He was a non factor in the England, Australia test and the odi with Pakistan.nuff said. He got schooled by all three teams. If he did well, it was only in patches and he didn't win those games for the team. He is highly over rated and he wont be a factor along with the rest of his team mates in South Africa. Mark my words. You heard it here first.
 
Snak3eye5 said:
He was a non factor in the England, Australia test and the odi with Pakistan.nuff said. He got schooled by all three teams. If he did well, it was only in patches and he didn't win those games for the team. He is highly over rated and he wont be a factor along with the rest of his team mates in South Africa. Mark my words. You heard it here first.
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FFS..he was playing in Australia and England for first time..he did improve in Australian tests towards the end..actually no one did well..no need to focus him alone....He did well in ODI's against SA...averaged 43+..while others failed to even score double digits.....I am marking your words lets see what happens...
 
He will allways be Junaids bunny. I predict he will make 10 runs before he gets out to Junaid in the champions trophy against Pakistan.
 
14th ODI hundred it was, in just his 106th appearance. Incredible conversion rate!
 
Well Played :14:
Developing the Leadership Skills is something he should work on.
He has got a good opportunity in the ZIM tour to hone the skills and take charge.
 
Weneva Virat scores a Century in a Series saving match ... V have always not qualified in the finals..for example : 133* against Srilanka in Aus & 183 against pak in Asia cup..
Hopefully this tym it changes :msd
 
Proud supporter of Kohli since 2009 :)

When the going gets tough Kohli gets going.... Future Ponting Kohli rocks...
 
Virat kohli in cricket = Narendra Modi in politics..

Lots of expressive attitude but delivers BIG time :D
 
Simply brilliant and a class player, It's funny watching him curse all the time, I liked his attitude today how he went after the umpire for giving karthik out and later bashing Jadeja for the run out :kohli

The guy is always pissed off unlike captain cool :msd but Virat's attitude draws more spectators :akhtar
 
Overrated player....WI bowling was so poor and if you cant score against this attack then you should not play international cricket.....Even hacks like Vijay were taking WI bowling to cleaners
 
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Eye_Done said:
Overrated player....WI bowling was so poor and if you cant score against this attack then you should not play international cricket.....Even hacks like Vijay were taking WI bowling to cleaners
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Joke of a post.
You prolly are another of the hatred soaked kid. Calling Shikhar Dhawan as a slogger.. well that was damning evidence of your lowly cricketing knowledge and 'discerning' eye. :D
 
Eye_Done said:
Overrated player....WI bowling was so poor and if you cant score against this attack then you should not play international cricket.....Even hacks like Vijay were taking WI bowling to cleaners
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I agree.Ahmed Shahzad/Nasir Jamshed and Umar Akmal are all better.
 
Virat Kohli

The guy is AWESOME. We can only dream for a batsman of this calibre in our lineup.
 
On his way to become a great ODI batsman, but I want him to fulfill his potential in tests and become a great test match batsman sooner rather than later.
 
Whereas less talented players like Kohli score hundred after hundred, the absolutely gifted ones like Rohit and Umar Akmal (in and out of the team) never bother about such hard work. They are "talented", you know ?

Another thing with being talented is you get free passes to international matches representing your country.
 
vicky_iisc said:
Whereas less talented players like Kohli score hundred after hundred, the absolutely gifted ones like Rohit and Umar Akmal (in and out of the team) never bother about such hard work. They are "talented", you know ?

Another thing with being talented is you get free passes to international matches representing your country.
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In sports, there are other features which are equally important such as hard work and temperament.

I don't know how you can say Virat is less talented? I mean he was performing superbly from his under-19s and in ODIs has been supremely consistent right from the start. He has a good range of strokes both on-side and off-side, has decent stance and balance (without any exaggerated back and across movements) and a good technique to boot, so I guess this is what talent is all about. Add to these qualities he is a natural athlete, and a superb fielder.

We get the impression that Rohit is supremely talented mostly because he seems to have that bit of extra time when facing express bowlers. Usually he seems to caress with lazy elegance, especially when leaning into drives, or just taking a slight swivel onto the backfoot and pulling, all these give the impression that he is highly gifted than others. No doubt he is a talented player, but I always feel that he is not enjoying his stay at the crease, always has a sad kind of look while he is on the field. He is getting out too many times via tame and soft dismissals. He still needs to put in lots of hard work to succeed consistently. Already, he has been given more than his share of chances and it's high time he delivers consistently.

Regarding Umar, whatever I have seen of him, makes me think he wants to play too many shots too early and again which is a result of lack of temperament. As many players have always said, talent will only get you chances but it is temperament that will make you great.
 
cricketfanfirst said:
In sports, there are other features which are equally important such as hard work and temperament.

I don't know how you can say Virat is less talented? I mean he was performing superbly from his under-19s and in ODIs has been supremely consistent right from the start. He has a good range of strokes both on-side and off-side, has decent stance and balance (without any exaggerated back and across movements) and a good technique to boot, so I guess this is what talent is all about. Add to these qualities he is a natural athlete, and a superb fielder.

We get the impression that Rohit is supremely talented mostly because he seems to have that bit of extra time when facing express bowlers. Usually he seems to caress with lazy elegance, especially when leaning into drives, or just taking a slight swivel onto the backfoot and pulling, all these give the impression that he is highly gifted than others. No doubt he is a talented player, but I always feel that he is not enjoying his stay at the crease, always has a sad kind of look while he is on the field. He is getting out too many times via tame and soft dismissals. He still needs to put in lots of hard work to succeed consistently. Already, he has been given more than his share of chances and it's high time he delivers consistently.

Regarding Umar, whatever I have seen of him, makes me think he wants to play too many shots too early and again which is a result of lack of temperament. As many players have always said, talent will only get you chances but it is temperament that will make you great.
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I should have put it differently.. I don't believe Kohli is less talented.. it was a sarcasm ..

Any hardworking and good temperament player is called "less talented" to kind of even the battlefield for others "lazy and gifted failures"..
 
vicky_iisc said:
Laxman, G Vishwanath, Dravid, Hazare, Vengsarkar may have something to say about it..

Seriously, yeh to jyada hi ho gaya.. is he the 3rd best batsman from India ever ? we need to calm down
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You don't need to get calm down.. I Really Hate Kohli..:kohli...!!! But TBH... He is the next best thing after those two Legends and not Dhoni... His stroke play and the ability to adjust any conditions is Amazingly great ...
 
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HazTheGreenKnightRises said:
You don't need to get calm down.. I Really Hate Kohli..:kohli...!!! But TBH... He is the next best thing after those two Legends and not Dhoni... His stroke play and the ability to adjust any conditions is Amazingly great ...
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Dhoni ?? What about the names I posted ? Is Kohli better than them also in Test matches ?
Come on.. he may become, but how can you just put him there right now?
 
^^.. Time Will tell about him in Tests... !!! but as of in ODI's...yes He can be placed there right now itself..... :)
 
HazTheGreenKnightRises said:
^^.. Time Will tell about him in Tests... !!! but as of in ODI's...yes He can be placed there right now itself..... :)
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No.. coz Gavaskar wouldn't feature then in ODIs.. so I assume the list is about Tests..

If Time will tell, why should we jump right now ? Let the time reveal itself.
 
If Kohli lived in Sachin's or Dravid's era, I am sure he would have achieved great things in Test Cricket by now - at least 1 double century / match winning innings (it is still his early days, people can wait)

But he is living in T20/IPL era. So players today are deviated to shorter form of games (So, like Sachin/Dravid who achieved in both Test/ODI formats, this guy is achieving in ODI & T20 - check his IPL stats) And India/BCCI has less interest in Test Cricket (unlike Eng/Aus/SA boards), hence he is yet to outburst in Test Cricket. (It will take some time)
 
vicky_iisc said:
Laxman, G Vishwanath, Dravid, Hazare, Vengsarkar may have something to say about it..

Seriously, yeh to jyada hi ho gaya.. is he the 3rd best batsman from India ever ? we need to calm down
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You misinterpreted it i think. Its about being the next big thing, the batting hero. Gundappa, Vengsarkar, Amarnath were all inferior to Gavaskar in their time and Dravid, Ganguly, Sehwag, Laxman were all inferior to Tendulkar in their time.

It is now expected that Kohli will emerge as the leader of the pack in next 8-10 years among Pujara, Dhawan, Vijay, Rahane, Sharma, Raina like players.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
You misinterpreted it i think. Its about being the next big thing, the batting hero. Gundappa, Vengsarkar, Amarnath were all inferior to Gavaskar in their time and Dravid, Ganguly, Sehwag, Laxman were all inferior to Tendulkar in their time.

It is now expected that Kohli will emerge as the leader of the pack in next 8-10 years among Pujara, Dhawan, Vijay, Rahane, Sharma, Raina like players.
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Ok.. ya.. it was my misinterpretation. That's why was surprised and wanted to get clarified.

The next batting superstar does not/may not always mean the next best after the earlier superstars.. Yes I got it now, if that's what AmchiMumbaikar actually meant.. I agree with the list..
 
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Dhawan is flamboyant, he wont be one who'd care about numbers. I think best would be if he just sticks to his aggressive way of batting. Kohli needs to be more responsible because he is the ONE. :)
 
I don't want Dhawan to go Sehwag way! I want him to at least be like Ganguly. (But yes, as a player Sehwag has won more matches & threatened more oppositions than Ganguly. Ganguly achieved more as a captain). But my concern is Dhawan is already 28, so he needs to work on his technique & temperament more to last long.
 
RamLakhan said:
I don't want Dhawan to go Sehwag way! I want him to at least be like Ganguly. (But yes, as a player Sehwag has won more matches & threatened more oppositions than Ganguly. Ganguly achieved more as a captain). But my concern is Dhawan is already 28, so he needs to work on his technique & temperament more to last long.
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We will carry your wishes to Dhawan.. that Mr. RamLakhan does not want you to go Sehwag's way, but want you to be like Ganguly.. and also that you need to work on your technique and temperament if you want to last long.. ELSE..

Just kidding..
 
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Another top notch knock from a top notch odi player, the consistency and regularity with which he makes odi tons is mind boggling
 
Hate it when people say Umar doesn't put the work in. U.Akmal is an extremely hard worker. Just because he gives his wicket away doesn't mean he don't work hard. He works very very hard.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Hate it when people say Umar doesn't put the work in. U.Akmal is an extremely hard worker. Just because he gives his wicket away doesn't mean he don't work hard. He works very very hard.
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What this got to do with Kohli thread

Umar Akmal is not even 1% of Kohli #fact
 
Bullet Drive said:
Hate it when people say Umar doesn't put the work in. U.Akmal is an extremely hard worker. Just because he gives his wicket away doesn't mean he don't work hard. He works very very hard.
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Stop posting about Umar in every other Thread.

You are obsessed with him.
 
BD is right. Umar is hard working but sometimes when you're in the wrong system, it just does not pay off. Indian academies would have turned Umar into an AB de Villier.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
BD is right. Umar is hard working but sometimes when you're in the wrong system, it just does not pay off. Indian academies would have turned Umar into an AB de Villier.
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What have the Indian Academies done to Rohit Sharma?
Has he turned into Bradman?

The fact is that Umar does not use his brain while batting and does not play according to the situation he plays for the crowd.
He has not shown professionalism in his approach, all he wants to do is entertain the crowd.
 
If anyone wants evidence of the Idiocy and the number of Umar Akmal fanboys, please check this list.
Your rank increases with the amount of Votes.

http://www.thetoptens.com/cricket-batsmen/
Check who is at Number 9, ahead of so many batting greats and check the comments aswell.

This is what a person can accomplish when he plays for the crowd.
He gets the support of the fans but he is only doing himself and his career harm.
 
ahmed778 said:
What have the Indian Academies done to Rohit Sharma?
Has he turned into Bradman?

The fact is that Umar does not use his brain while batting and does not play according to the situation he plays for the crowd.
He has not shown professionalism in his approach, all he wants to do is entertain the crowd.
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Rohit doesn't work hard enough. With the work ethic of Virat Kohli, he woul;d have been an even better player given the quality of coaching he gets. At the end of the day, academies can only help players that are willing to work on their game.

Lets compare Rohit to Umar Akmal now, the few things where Rohit is slightly better than Umar have all been attained through coaching academies. He may be less hard working than Virat, but he's become a good professional and is slowly learning to play according to team's requirements and hence making max use of his abilities. Umar is a clear case of a bewildered country boy who does not know what to do with his abilities.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Rohit doesn't work hard enough. With the work ethic of Virat Kohli, he woul;d have been an even better player given the quality of coaching he gets. At the end of the day, academies can only help players that are willing to work on their game.

Lets compare Rohit to Umar Akmal now, the few things where Rohit is slightly better than Umar have all been attained through coaching academies. He may be less hard working than Virat, but he's become a good professional and is slowly learning to play according to team's requirements and hence making max use of his abilities. Umar is a clear case of a bewildered country boy who does not know what to do with his abilities.
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Umar does not work hard enough.

Rohit and Umar have the same problem of throwing their wicket away.

No academy can fix that unless you yourself use your brain and value you wicket, and play for the team not the crowd.
 
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Umar Akmal is talented, I knew it when I saw him for the first time. An unusually good talent (rather v. good) by Pakistani standards of batting. It's a shame he hasn't been able to apply all his talent into results so far. I truly believe he would have been a different player, and would have achieved a lot more if he played for the Indian team.
 
ahmed778 said:
Umar does not work hard enough.

Rohit and Umar have the same problem of throwing their wicket away.

No academy can fix that unless you yourself use your brain and value you wicket, and play for the team not the crowd.
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He does but not in a smart manner. Its like a monkey driving a car who knows nothing about handling the gears and clutch/accel' etc. You can clearly see him being tense out there, trying just about everything to get some runs. The intent is there, he just needed to be taught how to build innings and how tor react to different match situations. Rohit theoretically knows all of that but just does not bother to apply it. He makes 30 hard working runs and then plays a blind slog to get out, thats where he lets us down, wasting all the money and time spent on him by BCCI/seniors.coaches.
 
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freelance_cricketer said:
He does but not in a smart manner. Its like a monkey driving a car who knows nothing about handling the gears and clutch/accel' etc. You can clearly see him being tense out there, trying just about everything to get some runs. The intent is there, he just needed to be taught how to build innings and how tor react to different match situations. Rohit theoretically knows all of that but just does not bother to apply it. He makes 30 hard working runs and then plays a blind slog to get out, thats where he lets us down, wasting all the money and time spent on him by BCCI/seniors.coaches.
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The same is the case with Umar, everyone knows about how to play according to the situation.
He would have been told many times to not play loose strokes but almost always he does and gets out in that fashion.

The day he starts to play according to the situation and the Team and not the crowd is the day when he will improve as a Batsman.

No coaching will do anything if he does not do that.
 
ahmed778 said:
The same is the case with Umar, everyone knows about how to play according to the situation.
He would have been told many times to not play loose strokes but almost always he does and gets out in that fashion.
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Umar doesn't even have half the shots of an Under-19 Indian cricketer. I think even Ravichandran Ashwin and Bhuvneshwar Kumar can probably execute more cricketing strokes than Umar Akmal and i swear thats what i truly believe and seen. Umar has the most basic talent however, that of picking the line length of deliveries. He just does not have enough shots to handle stuff in the middle for hours. No leg glance, no sweeps, no gentle taps to pinch singles and even his off side drives have disappeared. Nowadays all i see him doing is picking short of length deliveries and trying to smash them out of the continent like an absolute paindoo.

Coaching is what makes people trained for the most basic things and not for the extravagant endeavors. Watch R.Ashwin or Bhuvi bat someday, both bowlers basically but years of rigorous coaching has programmed them on how to build an inning. They have no flashy shots in their armoury but play all deliveries on merit. Leave the good ones, take the singles when its there, change ends etc etc. Umar does not do that, so do most of the other batsmen in Pak these days. Why? Late coaching.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Umar doesn't even have half the shots of an Under-19 Indian cricketer. I think even Ravichandran Ashwin and Bhuvneshwar Kumar can probably execute more cricketing strokes than Umar Akmal and i swear thats what i truly believe and seen. Umar has the most basic talent however, that of picking the line length of deliveries. He just does not have enough shots to handle stuff in the middle for hours. No leg glance, no sweeps, no gentle taps to pinch singles and even his off side drives have disappeared. Nowadays all i see him doing is picking short of length deliveries and trying to smash them out of the continent like an absolute paindoo.

Coaching is what makes people trained for the most basic things and not for the extravagant endeavors. Watch R.Ashwin or Bhuvi bat someday, both bowlers basically but years of rigorous coaching has programmed them on how to build an inning. They have no flashy shots in their armoury but play all deliveries on merit. Leave the good ones, take the singles when its there, change ends etc etc. Umar does not do that, so do most of the other batsmen in Pak these days. Why? Late coaching.
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Umar Akmal can play all the strokes, more strokes than any Indian Cricketer currently.
He scores all around the ground, someone who does not have strokes can not do that.
Umar does not need any coaching as far as stroke making is concerned he can play all the strokes.

And the current Pakistani Test Batting lineup, is better than the Indian Test Batting lineup.


All Umar needs is a brain.
 
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Does he wear Mr.India watch while playing all those shots? Coz we don't really see them
 
ahmed778 said:
Umar Akmal can play all the strokes, more strokes than any Indian Cricketer currently.
He scores all around the ground, someone who does not have strokes can not do that.
Umar does not need any coaching as far as stroke making is concerned he can play all the strokes.

And the current Pakistani Test Batting lineup, is better than the Indian Test Batting lineup.


All Umar needs is a brain.
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It was.... last year prior to removal of deadwood, post which we whitewashed Aussies
 
Rohit is enough, let him be a permanent member of IPL Team and do wonders there (which is suitable for him because T20 requires just 30-40 ball stay). I think India can try and bring back Gambhir some time down (If Gambhir shows some promise in domestic cricket), we can have a kind of L-L combination like Hayden/Langer with him and Dhawan. Else I think Rahane deserves more chances & long run than Rohit. Rohit is trying to fit into that opening slot (as Indian middle order has no room for him with Karthik coming in, and with players like Yuvaraj, Rayudu, etc, waiting in the wings).

The problem with Rohit is he is an elegant type of batsman which suits for longer batting, otherwise he could have been used like Raina down the order if he showed real hard-hitting.
 
Rohit should open the innings in test's

as this is Kohli thread the Kohli is awsome
 
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