Virat Kohli - The Mega Discussion

Again, that is your opinion. IMO, he CAN match Rohit Sharma's stroke play, he DELIBERATELY chooses not to.

Can you tell me what his limitations are? Hitting sixes? But he has shown time and again that he can hit sixes at will if required. As he said in yesterdays post match interview, he deliberately chooses to play the most risk free shots

You seem to assume that if Kohli does not play flashy shots, that means he cannot. Yet he has shown it is because flashy shots are more risky. He has shown that he can hit the ball towards any part of the ground with more range than Rohit Sharma if there is no fielder there or if team requires.

IMO Kohli has a much better range of stroke play and ability than Sharma has. Sharma looks flashy as he is an instinctive player, if you give him a short ball, he will try for a six no matter what the situation. Kohli can either play it for a single, roll his wrist for a 4, or try for a 6 depending on the situation.

Just because Kohli chooses to mostly hit cover drives and towards mid wicket its not because he cannot hit the same ball elsewhere, in fact he has shown repeatedly that he can if he wants. Its just that those are the most risk free shots in cricket and can be played along the ground. Therefore its a conscious decision to hit those

I don't know how you think someone who hits a couple of flashy sixes is more talented or has more range than someone who can hit the same ball to any gap, all along the ground.

The time that Rohit has to play the strokes and also his timing are unmatched in this Indian team. Rohit clearly has more talent than Kohli. However, Kohli can play every shot that Rohit plays. It's not about the shots they have. It is about the ease of execution and timing that makes Rohit a bit more talented than Kohli.

Kohli on the other hand has a calculator in his mind. His temper and maturity are the reasons why he is a better player than Rohit.
 
Did you see Kohli's last interview?

He's talking like a total Zen Master; he says he doesn't even look at the scoreboard anymore and feels as though he can hit everything for a 4 or 6.
 
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Kohli's interviews these days are surreal and the only thing that makes his batting look believable at a second look because only a freakish attitude and work ethic could result into this level of performances. You cant do what he does with talent alone.
 
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Kohli's interviews these days are surreal and the only thing that makes his batting look believable at a second look because only a freakish attitude and work ethic could result into this level of performances. You cant do what he does with talent alone.

This..

People don't realise the amount of hard work the guy puts in day in and day out.. Just look at his body that alone tells you how much effort he puts in.. Talent a lot of players have some might have more than Kohli but the amount of hard work he's putting in not everyone puts in.. No wonder he's leaving his peers so far behind in LOIs..
 
He is reaching an incredible level now. Well on his way to becoming the greatest Limited Overs batsman of all time, and only a matter of time before he reaches this level in Tests as well.

It's a joke to compare other contemporary batsmen to him. I believe only Root has the talent and capacity to match him.
 
He is reaching an incredible level now. Well on his way to becoming the greatest Limited Overs batsman of all time, and only a matter of time before he reaches this level in Tests as well.

It's a joke to compare other contemporary batsmen to him. I believe only Root has the talent and capacity to match him.

Sir, I believe Williamson also has the talent and capacity to match him and Root. And Babar Azam and K.L. Rahul also have the initial spark too... provided they want to push themselves to attain the next (severa) levels.
 
Sir, I believe Williamson also has the talent and capacity to match him and Root. And Babar Azam and K.L. Rahul also have the initial spark too... provided they want to push themselves to attain the next (severa) levels.

Never seen K.L. Rahul but please scratch Babar Azam from that list. He is not an Indian Standard Batsman yet let alone Kohliesque.

Kohli right now is in a league of his own. 211 in a 15 over match. 100's in 50 balls at a regularity.

This is just unreal stuff.
 
Almost certain to finish his career as the greatest ODI and T20 player of all time.
 
Sir, I believe Williamson also has the talent and capacity to match him and Root. And Babar Azam and K.L. Rahul also have the initial spark too... provided they want to push themselves to attain the next (severa) levels.
Those players you've mentioned aren't in the same league as Kohli imo.

I'd say Root is a level below Kohli, while KW, Babar and Rahul a level or two below Root.
 
Almost certain to finish his career as the greatest ODI and T20 player of all time.

I won't go that far right now because strange things can happen in life but yes right he is just above every single player.

Brian Lara cricket things are being done by him on the real cricket field.
 
KL Rahul has a really good potential to be the next batting star of India. I expect him to replace Dhawan in LOIs if he flounders too long.
 
[MENTION=133726]GoUgandaCranes[/MENTION] and [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION], I wasn't making a comparison. I feel the initial spark of 'looks like someone who will go places' is there in Azam and Rahul. I agree they have just started and mentioned that presently they are several levels below the likes of Root and Kohli (and Williamson).
 
[MENTION=133726]GoUgandaCranes[/MENTION] and [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION], I wasn't making a comparison. I feel the initial spark of 'looks like someone who will go places' is there in Azam and Rahul. I agree they have just started and mentioned that presently they are several levels below the likes of Root and Kohli (and Williamson).

Fair enough.

On another and totally unrelated note: I've seen someone with the same username on a very popular cricket website's comment section. Won't be surprised if you are the same person.
 
Thank You. :). I hope to discuss and learn more about the game from the likes of you.

My only complaint to various cricket forums like this one is that they don't give due consideration to women's cricket.

Agreed on the complaint part. Hopefully with some active participation of different people - this complaint will go away too.
 
Don't think anyone can match his greatness in LOI. And he will get there in tests too.

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Agreed on the complaint part. Hopefully with some active participation of different people - this complaint will go away too.

Yes... hopefully :)... we need to remain optimistic. Someone like Charlotte Edwards deserved a lot more appreciation than she actually got. She is a GOAT of the game too.

Anyways... sorry, this thread is about Kohli. :)
 
This is an incredible peak he is in the middle of. It's just disappointing he hasn't had the opportunity to play tests this year. They way he's been batting I gave no doubt it would have translated into a mountain of runs in test too.
 
Kohli is already the GOAT LOI player. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

There is no complete batsman like him.

Tendulkar is over-rated just because he had the perfect technique. He couldn't dream of batting like this. Kohli can both slog and build an innings. You no longer need anchors and pinch-hitters because Kohli does the job of both and does it so well.
 
Kohli is already the GOAT LOI player. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

There is no complete batsman like him.

Tendulkar is over-rated just because he had the perfect technique. He couldn't dream of batting like this. Kohli can both slog and build an innings. You no longer need anchors and pinch-hitters because Kohli does the job of both and does it so well.

He is yet to deliver in 50 overs WCs.Btw Tendulkar can certainly bat that way.He has many such knocks in Odis.
 
Sir, I believe Williamson also has the talent and capacity to match him and Root. And Babar Azam and K.L. Rahul also have the initial spark too... provided they want to push themselves to attain the next (severa) levels.

Williamson is good, but a little overrated in Limited Overs. His batting in the shorter formats is like Amla's - good stats, but not enough impact and ability to play match-winning knocks.

Too early to speak about Babar and Rahul. Pakistan unfortunately does not have a good batting culture so a good batting talent like Babar may not develop as he would have in teams like India or Australia.
 
Almost certain to finish his career as the greatest ODI and T20 player of all time.

I would think so.. Also feel he has it in him to transform this form in test format as well. He just hasn't exploded yet
 
These Anderson excuses are getting silly tbh.. Show me one batsman without any chink in the armour
 
Williamson is good, but a little overrated in Limited Overs. His batting in the shorter formats is like Amla's - good stats, but not enough impact and ability to play match-winning knocks.

Too early to speak about Babar and Rahul. Pakistan unfortunately does not have a good batting culture so a good batting talent like Babar may not develop as he would have in teams like India or Australia.

Agree that Williamson has to do more in LOIs to enhance his reputation. He has age on his side and his best is yet to come.
 
Kohli is already the GOAT LOI player. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

There is no complete batsman like him.

Tendulkar is over-rated just because he had the perfect technique. He couldn't dream of batting like this. Kohli can both slog and build an innings. You no longer need anchors and pinch-hitters because Kohli does the job of both and does it so well.

No, he is not, yet.
 
My only regret/disappointment is that Kohli's BEAST mode has coincided with Asia Cup, World T20 and IPL :facepalm:
 
My only regret/disappointment is that Kohli's BEAST mode has coincided with Asia Cup, World T20 and IPL :facepalm:

India play 15+ Tests at home in the next year and a half. Given his form, I will be very surprised if he doesn't take his average beyond 50 and notches up a couple of double-hundreds if not more in this period.

Don't think it is a purple patch/beast mode either - he has simply taken his game to the next level now because he's entering his peak years as a batsman.

He has been consistently improving as a batsman since 2011, 2015 was his only bad year.
 
Can't wait for India to start playing tests again. Want to see if kohli can take this form into test matches, for me it's only a matter of time before he becomes a great test match batsmen
 
Tests in India would probably be at minefields, in the last South African tour here except Rahane(avg 50 above) all the cricketers from both side averaged below 37! Don't see it changing much unless Kohli transforms himself to another level.
 
Tests in India would probably be at minefields, in the last South African tour here except Rahane(avg 50 above) all the cricketers from both side averaged below 37! Don't see it changing much unless Kohli transforms himself to another level.

Not sure if they'll continue to prepare mine fields. NZ spinners have been fantastic in the T20 WC and Moeen is highly rated by the Indians for his exploits against them. Adil isn't a mug either. I expect sporting pitches in India going forward.
 
Test cricket is a different format altogether, don't see him clicking there like he clicked in LOIs.

I reckon he has entered his peak where he will make mountain of runs for few years.. Test is different true but he is capable of making runs like we saw in Australia

My only fear is excessive burnout from too much cricket

Pity there no decent test series scheduled
 
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I reckon he has entered his peak where he will make mountain of runs for few years.. Test is different true but he is capable of making runs like we saw in Australia

My only fear is excessive burnout from too much cricket

Pity there no decent test series scheduled

Wi series 4 tests best chance to cash in

Nothing wrong in cashing it against weaker teams.... Every ATG has done it...time to bump up that average
 
Wi series 4 tests best chance to cash in

Nothing wrong in cashing it against weaker teams.... Every ATG has done it...time to bump up that average

It's not entirely about average.. I am more interested in him tearing up the attacks

Like he did against Ryan Harris where he carted him for one after another fours during that ton. It was refreshing to watch
 
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You say that as if Ponting was untouchable, Kohli is already better than that man.

Not in tests, he is far away.

He is much better ODI bat, but Ponting has some great WC knocks, that Kohli probably would do well to emulate.
 
In tests as well?

You say that as if Ponting was untouchable, Kohli is already better than that man.

To me, this is an interesting comparison because Kohli's batting style and attitude is much more similar to Ponting than Tendulkar. Of course the fact that he also bats at 3 plays a role as well.

It is natural that Indians consider him the successor to Tendulkar, but from a neutral perspective, he looks like Ponting's successor.

I definitely think he will end up as a better batsman than Ponting, but he is not there yet. However, it is only a matter of when rather than if.

He is on course to becoming the greatest Limited Overs batsman of all time, but needs to dominate a 50 over World Cup or play an iconic knock in a World Cup knockout match. I have no doubt in my mind that he will do it, given how clutch he is.

He was inexperienced in 2011 and out of form in 2015; 2019 World Cup is his to dominate.

In Tests, he should end up as a tremendous batsman as well but perhaps may not be able to eclipse Ponting in that format.

Overall, if he ends up as the best Limited Overs batsman of all time or even top 3, as well as a great Test batsman, he will definitely overtake Ponting as a batsman.

He is entering his peak years now and is at the same level as Ponting was from 2002-2007, so he should be dominating Test cricket as well now.

Ponting averaged 70+ for almost 6 years in the early 2000's which was phenomenal and extremely difficult to topple.
 
Four money shots that have made Virat Kohli intimidating

Those traditional Test-match cricket shots that modern-day batsmen had almost convinced us are a liability and impotent in shorter formats. The laps, ramp-shots, and the other fanciful stuff have caught the imagination of the old fans, and intoxicated the young. Far from looking wrong, it seemed like a natural evolution of the game that caught the spirit of the zeitgeist. But Kohli seems hell-bent on yanking us back to old days.

What does he do? He reels out the cover drives, flicks, on drives, and the cuts. And runs hard. Incredibly, he has managed to not just run with the hounds but lead the pack. Where others seem to try so hard with all the innovative shots or flex their muscle in power hitting, he has gone retro.
He didn’t have a great pull shot when he came. He didn’t have the finesse that seems so natural in his cover drives these days. He didn’t have such a gap-piercing cut shot in his initial years. He would not hide his preference to the onside play but now looks so compact on the off. Heck, he didn’t even have the swat-flick, considered his signature shot, in the early days. It’s this development in his game that’s astonishing. Normally, through the history of cricket, the really good batsmen come in with signature shots that almost seemed natural extension of them. The across-the-line whip of Viv Richards, the straight drive of a Tendulkar, the whiplash square drive of a Lara were gasp-inducing but they presented them at the first sighting itself. We identified them with those shots.

Though he always had the swagger, Kohli didn’t initially have the game that made you gasp like other special batsmen. He is someone who has almost willed himself to greater heights by not remaining content in just being a good batsman but desiring a lot more than that. He has reached out and extended himself. And to do it with the conventional shots in the frenzy of the here and now is quite a stunning achievement. Here we look at some of his shots, and how he has honed, controlled, made them...



The Swat Flick


Easily the most fascinating shot in Kohli’s repertoire. Not many in the history of cricket have managed to transform the simple flick into a tool of violence. It’s an instinctive deflection, classy and elegant for sure but a non-violent shot in its essence. You can get boundaries with it, of course, but it had always seemed a shot from a gentler times. Not with Kohli.

His bottom-hand powered swat-flick feels like a stroke borrowed from table tennis. Only two other batsmen from modern era have come close to producing similar mayhem from this mutant-form of the flick — Herschelle Gibbs and Moin Khan. Their’s was a dare. There would be a moment in the shot, just before contact, where it would appear that ball would miss the wood and crash against the pad. Suddenly, the bat would sweep across — Gibbs’ was more stylish, Moin’s was ballsier. Kohli’s is all that, and much more. His is the most consistent version.

And to think that, by his own admission, he didn’t have this stroke in his formative years boggles the mind. That he is a bottom-handed batsman helps. That he has played a lot of T20 cricket too did its bit but to take something so inherently instinctive in nature, inscribed in your DNA almost, and make it your own as he has done says a lot about evolution in his batting.

He eschews the risk associated with Gibbs and Moin’s versions through the arc his bat cuts when it’s swooping down to meet the ball. Unlike them, you don’t have that moment of apprehension with Kohli’s shot that bat might miss the ball.


The bat doesn’t come down as straight as for a straight drive of course but there is a lot more wood in the path of the ball than what those two managed to do. With that element of doubt that accompanies the risk out of the way, he can focus on twirling his bottom-hand a lot more than most batsmen.

And how those wrists work overtime. The right wrist almost snaps, a feverish frenzy kicks in, the bat cuts down the angle as alarmingly and thrillingly as it creates it in first place through that wrist-cock. You could do that with a smaller table tennis racquet but to get this longer and thicker piece of wood to cut arcs at a frenetic pace needs supple and steely wrists. This oxymoronic combo creates the power, and the overall balance that he maintains in his body, helps in consistency.

It’s a stroke that has consistently improved over the years, especially through the IPL years, but it was on a Hobart night in 2012 when he dismantled the yorker-slinging Lasith Malinga that it achieved the polish of the now expected perfection.

He stayed well back inside the crease, and repeatedly swatted and whipped Malinga to distraction. It was the most gently-executed cricketing massacre that one had witnessed. In many ways, it was also the coming-of-age moment for the elegant flick.




The Cover Drive


With his technical base, there are many things that could go wrong with his goal to keep the ball along the ground.

The toughest shot for a bottom-handed batsman like Kohli to pull off. Especially with the demands he exacts on himself. Sample his quote about the cover-driving on the up. “When you’re driving on the up, you need to make sure that you are connecting with the ball in a way that you can see the ball bounce in front of you before heading out in the outfield. The ball should ideally bounce around two feet in front of you. That’s when you know that you have actually connected very well and you’re in control of the drive. If it goes up in the air, then more often than not, it’s just a risky shot that came off.”

Carl Hooper, that wonderfully skilled batsman who didn’t do his talent full justice, might not agree. Hooper specialised in the controlled punches over covers — and often would awe-inspiringly get it to drop between cover and the deep cover for couple of runs — but then he was a different batsman. In fact, conventional logic suggests it would have been easier for Kohli to go the Hooper way with this shot.

With a little bit of help from top hand, he could have allowed his bottom-hand to take over more and gone aerial — it would have been more natural, fewer mental restrictions, lesser pressure to adapt his technique, but then it wouldn’t have been Kohli who is walking the tightrope between retaining the aggression even as he strives to cut down the risks.

While it’s a gorgeous sight, his more fluid cover drives to length deliveries, that he finishes up with a crispy punch, should come a tad easier to his talent. The head and the leaning upper body aligned in the direction of his left foot — or to be precise, with the toe as he says — allows him to make contact as close to body as possible but it shouldn’t be too difficult a task for someone as good as him.

It’s that on-the-up sortie that throws up the cerebral feast. With his technical base, there are many things that could go wrong with his goal to keep the ball along the ground. For starters, the bottom-hand can take over completely and the ball could lob up to short cover fielders that Australians, especially, always keep for him.

He manages to get the top hand into the shot just about enough to throw as a counter-balance. But that bottom-hand can still be a pesky nuisance to his goal of keeping the cherry on the ground, especially for someone brought up on flat tracks. Growing up, he wouldn’t have needed to really stretch so forward across, get as close to the ball as he does these days, for the lack of bounce in the pitches would have allowed him to let the wrists do most of the work.

But now, on some overseas tracks, he has to get the whole shin bang rolling in unison towards a common objective — the head, the body, the feet, the hands and the skill to control his bottom hand’s domination. It’s quite a thing to do for someone with his technique, and the consistency is quite an achievement. It would be however interesting to see how this shot plays out in English conditions.





The Cut


The real beauty lies in timing and placement. For someone who doesn’t go back and across, it must not be easy but the combination of peripheral vision and soft hands does the trick.

It’s the tiny adjustments he does with this shot that makes it so watchable. His isn’t even classical in the sense he doesn’t always play the horizontal cut shot that often.

Many other batsmen have played it far more ferociously and with greater effectiveness — Gordon Greenidge would murder that poor ball, Michael Slater’s horizontal cuts were more stylish, Ijaz Ahmed’s was a brutal butcher’s chop, a young Richie Richardson’s was flamboyant whip crack, and even a young Tendulkar played the classical horizontal version a lot before he traded it for the punchy on-the-up square drives.

Like his pull shots, Kohli’s cuts are not really exceptional in the visual or even visceral sense but it’s what he does with them that make them stand out. It’s the ability to find the gap with his gentler cuts that screams out his talent.
Sanjay Manjrekar has this theory that he has often spoken on air: that the steer/cut/square drives that has the ball plummet in the gap between backward point and gully can’t be really that intentional. Only Brian Lara, among the modern-day batsmen, incredibly managed to nail this elusive act often enough but his was a whiplash square drive, not a cut.

With the cut, a batsman sort of throws his hands at the ball, or fists it away and sometimes the ball would rush through the gap. The combination of peripheral vision, the hand control that the acute angle of the field demands, the essence of the shot that makes it difficult to get close to the ball, makes gap-finding a tough proposition.

However, Kohli has begun to tame this cut shot by trying to get as close to nailing those three dimensions. He doesn’t go full horizontal — the way he picks his bat up, gets it down, and that bottom-hand wouldn’t always allow him to go classical (to seamers). But he gets the bat down at an angle somewhere in between horizontal cut and vertical punch of the on-the-up square-drive. And with that he retains more control over its direction.

For someone who doesn’t naturally go back and across, to get close to the ball for a cut shot should be difficult. More often than not he looks to get forward, towards the ball, but he manages to rush across in a hurry for this one. The real beauty lies in timing and placement. Even as he is reaching out, he retains his balance — this should be tough in theory — collapses his arms, contorts that right wrist, keeps his head still and lets his intuitive play take over.

The peripheral vision and the soft hands guide the eventual shot. All this sounds like precious complicating stuff — and it is! — but that’s the hallmark of good batsmen.

They make descriptions and analysis look silly — they somehow make it all look not simple but natural. Kohli’s real achievement lies in the fact that he has worked on his shots like the cut and reels them off with a natural ease.




The Pull


Kohli isn’t the best puller in world cricket. Not by a distance. But the manner of its evolution from tentative beginnings, the subsequent iffy learning phase, to a sense of surety exuded now speaks about Kohli’s development as a batsman. With this shot, it’s more apt to trace the journey of his troubles which can tell us the adjustments and strides he has taken as a batsman.

The short ball had proved to be a problem early on his career. In fact in 2011 he was dropped after the first few Tests in West Indies after Fidel Edwards harassed him with a slew of bouncers. The flaw was always there. In domestic cricket he had his troubles against the short ones. In an Irani Trophy game in 2008, Munaf Patel, who had lost his express pace after injury by then, had induced an awkwardly fended catch with a bouncer. Zaheer Khan too had his moments against Kohli. Last April, Rahul Dravid, who incidentally had played that Irani game, had this to say: “Kohli was a walking wicket against bouncers then. Six months later I saw him and that problem was gone. He had sorted it out. That’s what I admire about Kohli.”


It still surfaces now and then. Occasionally he freezes when the ball rears up at his body, as he famously did to Mitchell Johnson once, or doesn’t quite ride the bounce well, as seen in the last World Cup semi-final in Australia to the other Mitchell, but the core threat has been negated. He isn’t a walking wicket as he used to be.

It’s the one shot that can still threaten the most admirable quality of Kohli’s batsmanship — the balance. By its nature, the short ball always holds that threat. The batsman has to make couple of adjustments — watching the initial trajectory till it lands, and adjusting to the subsequent jump and transition in bounce. Kohli’s stillness and balance allows his eye to adjust to this jerky shift and the problem now kicks in only when the third dimension of threat swings into picture — when the ball seams or bounces more than his anticipation.
It’s one thing for a batsman to be naturally good at the pull to awe us but it’s more credit worthy for a batsman to make the changes necessary to almost eradicate the problem.

The pull shot also tells us the difference between the personalities of Sachin Tendulkar and Kohli. If only it wasn’t for Fanie de Villiers and his captain Hansie Cronje plotting a downfall at short midwicket, and to a lesser extent Chaminda Vaas and Arjuna Ranatunga, one wonders whether Tendulkar would have allowed himself a greater run with that shot. For a brief while, he had almost become obsessive with that shot and when his obsession turned into a tool of his entrapment, he abandoned it mercilessly. Kohli didn’t have that choice. He had to first show that he could play that shot before he can abandon it. And his character suggests he won’t shelve it that easily.


http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/virat-kohlis-strokes-of-genius-2823915/
 
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Fastest to reach to 8000 in just 175 innings.What a player!
What I esp liked today was that he didn't try to get to his century and was happy to take singles just so that India do not lose any wickets.Always puts team in front of personal milestones.Once in a century player.
 
Amazing player to watch. This guy is on another planet.

Pakistan have their work cut out for them on Sunday.
 
"He is a choker in ODI tournaments" - Amla fans.

There's only one or two people on here that act like defending Amla is the mission of their life. Kohli is so far above Amla in odis it's not even funny, it's like comparing Ronaldo with Giroud.
 
Forget about your affiliation. Just watch the shot making today. Breathless shots. He was matching Rohit shot for shot. One of the most delightful highlight package full of exquisite shots
 
Fastest to reach to 8000 in just 175 innings.What a player!
What I esp liked today was that he didn't try to get to his century and was happy to take singles just so that India do not lose any wickets.Always puts team in front of personal milestones.Once in a century player.

This....i was wondering he will go in that selfish route but proved me wrong. He is hungrier for win than his centuries.
 
Love how nobody mentions his 2011 and 2015 World Cup failures.

Where was the 2011 failure ?

In a team of stalwarts, he hit a century in the group stages . Played a crucial knock in the finals, steadied the ship with a 45 when Sachin and Sehwag were dismissed in initial overs. !

He did fail in 2015, hopefully corrects that in the next cup .
 
Virat Kohli is the greatest ODI batsman ever!

"Having him in team feels like cheating with the opposition"

Discuss.
 
Just needs good performances in world cup knockout stage games..otherwise everything else accomplished.
 
Nearly there barring World Cup. But head and shoulders above everyone else in the running
 
This..

People don't realise the amount of hard work the guy puts in day in and day out.. Just look at his body that alone tells you how much effort he puts in.. Talent a lot of players have some might have more than Kohli but the amount of hard work he's putting in not everyone puts in.. No wonder he's leaving his peers so far behind in LOIs..

The fact that many players may be called talented does not mean that they are equally talented. What Kohli or Messi does they can do over and over again because they are fit, but fitness and hard work alone does not a Kohli and Messi make. What talent often fails to capture, I believe, is mindset, application, a sense of the right shot to play, which is not the same as the most rewarding shot to play. Here's a man who feels he can hit every ball for 4 or 6, yet has just become the first Indian batsman, after such ODI greats as Tendulkar, Ganguly, and Dhoni, to score 100 ODI runs in singles only. Extraordinary.
 
Tendkar did not win us the world cup- it was zaheer nehra and yuvraj
I have seen tendkar in only one innings in desert storm play like this.
Tendulkar was nowhere as fit and certainly a first innings bully
Kohli is thrice a batsman , more reliable and just incrredibld athlete

Tendulkar though was a smarter captain , tremendous bowler and was a very good one day and above avg test batsman

Dravid was a better test bat and Tendulkar was perhaps the top 5 of all time but falls behind kohli , pointing , bevan/dhoni - yes dhoni has won india more matches then tendulkar .in loi.
 
Tendkar did not win us the world cup- it was zaheer <B>nehra</B> and yuvraj
I have seen tendkar in only one innings in desert storm play like this.
Tendulkar was nowhere as fit and certainly a first innings bully
<BKohli is thrice a batsman ,</B> more reliable and just incrredibld athlete
<B>Tendulkar though was a smarter captain , tremendous bowler and was a very good one day and above avg test batsman</B>

Dravid was a better test bat and Tendulkar was perhaps the top 5 of all time but falls behind kohli , pointing , bevan/dhoni - yes dhoni has won india more matches then tendulkar .in loi.

Have you seen some other Tendulkar?
 
Kohli is mentally weak player and lacks temperment. Chasing small totals against weak bowling sides in dead rubber is easy. He choked under pressure in CT match against Pak. He needs to score in tough situations like Umar Akmal.

Mentally weak he said. Lol
 
Tendkar did not win us the world cup- it was zaheer nehra and yuvraj
I have seen tendkar in only one innings in desert storm play like this.
Tendulkar was nowhere as fit and certainly a first innings bully
Kohli is thrice a batsman , more reliable and just incrredibld athlete

Tendulkar though was a smarter captain , tremendous bowler and was a very good one day and above avg test batsman

Dravid was a better test bat and Tendulkar was perhaps the top 5 of all time but falls behind kohli , pointing , bevan/dhoni - yes dhoni has won india more matches then tendulkar .in loi.

Tendu a smart captain? You are kidding us right?
 
Virat Kohli fastest ever to reach 2000 T20 International runs

Virat Kohli became the second Indian after Mithali Raj to reach 2000 T20 International runs. He is also only the fourth male cricketer to reach the milestone after New Zealand's Brendon McCullum and Martin Guptill and Pakistan's Shoaib Malik. Kohli needed only eight runs before the start of India's first T20I against England at Manchester on Tuesday.

Kohli had the opportunity to reach the landmark in Ireland during the two-match T20I series last week but he failed in both matches, scoring 0 and 9.

However, Kohli was still the quickest to get to the 2000-run mark in the shortest format. He took only 60 matches and 56 innings to enter the coveted club. McCullum had entered the rare club in 71 matches (66 innings) while Guptill got there in 75 matches (68 innings). Malik was the slowest of the lot, taking 100 matches and 93 innings.

As it stands now, only McCullum, Guptill and Malik have more runs than him in the shortest format of the game. McCullum, who played his last T20I on June 23, 2015 against England at Manchester was leading the charts with 2140 runs from 71 matches until Guptill overtook him in the last T20I versus Australia, when he struck 105 at Auckland earlier in the year. He only consolidated the top spot after adding 62 more runs against England on Sunday's T20I at Hamilton. Guptill now has 2271 runs from 75 games.

This is another feather in the cap for the Indian captain, who has the second most ODI hundreds after Sachin Tendulkar.

Kohli failed to reach the 2000-run mark in the first two T20Is against South Africa in March after falling leg-before to Tabraiz Shamsi on 26 in the first one and caught-behind to Junior Dala for 1 in the second game.

On Monday, Kohli started the Manchester T20I at 1992 runs at an average of 48.58. Before the Ireland series, he was the only batsman to average over 50 in all three formats in international cricket.

During India's tour of South Africa, Kohli became the fastest to reach the 17,000-run mark in international cricket, achieving the feat in only his 363rd innings.

Kohli left behind South Africa's Hashim Amla, who had reached the 17000-run mark in his 381st innings last year. Kohli was also the quickest to 15,000 and 16000-run marks achieving both the milestone in 2017.

The 29-year-old was in sensational form in South Africa, scoring 871 runs across formats including 558 runs and four hundreds in India's 5-1 triumph in the six-match ODI series.

He was then rested for the Nidahas Trophy in Sri Lanka and returned to action for Royal Challengers Bangalore in the IPL.

In December last year, Kohli hit his sixth double ton in Tests during India's third and final Test against Sri Lanka at the Feroz Shah Kotla in Delhi.

Kohli was not even scheduled to play the first T20I against Ireland as he had signed up with Surrey for a county stint to gear up for the Test series in England. However, a neck injury during the IPL ruled him out of the county stin and he was declared fit to lead India in the two-match T20 series against Ireland.

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cr...000-t20-international-runs-1276779-2018-07-04
 
I think by now most of us realize that Kohli will retire as the GOAT in ODIs.
By the end of Test series, we will know if he belongs to the same league as Sachin or Lara in Tests.


As for T20s, no one cares. :sarf2
 
Sachin > Kohli

Agree. Kohli is great but scoring ton is really easy for batsman today. If you just be little careful there is no doubt you will get hundred on these pitches easily but then again Kohli is probably greatest cricketer in limited overs of this era.
 
Rode his luck a bit but credit to him for being the lone man fighting it out there.

Respect to Kohli.
 
Agree. Kohli is great but scoring ton is really easy for batsman today. If you just be little careful there is no doubt you will get hundred on these pitches easily but then again Kohli is probably greatest cricketer in limited overs of this era.

I like Sachin as much as the next guy, but let's not pretend that batting is easy nowadays.
 
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