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Virat Kohli's Test form - A cause for concern?

sensible-indian-fan said:
Kohli has never been effective in Asia.

He was very effective in SA and Aus.

I am concerned for him.

Has to go back to the drawing board and rebuild his test batting.
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I hope he watched Pujara today.Strike rate is not the biggest factor.Kohli tries to dominate too much
 
Slog said:
true. And Kohli has show na strong techinacal weakness in one country hes played in. May improve

Atm for me Kane Williamson is the most complete of the Fab Four (Smith, Williamson, Root and Kohli)
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Rahane should be in that fab 4 instead of Kohli
 
Kohli seems to hate swing and Asian pitches. Pace and bounce he seems to adore.
 
Terrible dismissal today. He should be spending lots of time in nets. His test avg has dipped from 47 after that double ton to 44 now :facepalm:
 
Aman said:
50+ in the UAE.

World of difference between a 25 year old carrying a team on his back and players who don't have the pressure of scoring runs every time.

If you remove Kohli's runs in the Aussie tour, I wouldn't be surprised to see his average drop below 40.
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Doesn't work like that. Sachin carried the hopes of a billion plus population in his twenties with a poor bowling attack as well. He gets no extra points for that when he gets compared to Lara or Ponting. Surely a 5 million people who don't even follow cricket as a top 3 sport won't be hard to manage.

And no, scoring runs in the UAE is not tougher than scoring runs in Australia.
 
Ab Fan said:
What has Kane avg in Asia to do with it. He is an all round player who can score anywhere and on any kind of wicket and is at peak for last 3 yrs?

Kohli is yet to hit the peak in tests.
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Because it's a team selected to play in any condition in the world.

And Kane averages around 40 in Asia and outside Asia out of New Zealand. He has been a beast at home but not as prolific away from NZ.

Younis Khan who is a beast in Asia deserves to be in that line up and Smith and Root have a more rounded record than KW.
 
street cricketer said:
Because it's a team selected to play in any condition in the world.

And Kane averages around 40 in Asia and outside Asia out of New Zealand. He has been a beast at home but not as prolific away from NZ.

Younis Khan who is a beast in Asia deserves to be in that line up and Smith and Root have a more rounded record than KW.
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Root, more well rounded? Have you seen his record in Australia and NZ?

Then have a look at how many centuries he has scored away from home.
 
street cricketer said:
Because it's a team selected to play in any condition in the world.

And Kane averages around 40 in Asia and outside Asia out of New Zealand. He has been a beast at home but not as prolific away from NZ.

Younis Khan who is a beast in Asia deserves to be in that line up and Smith and Root have a more rounded record than KW.
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Smith and Root may have more rounded record than Williamson but that doesn't mean they are more rounded players than those two. Stats don't tell the whole lot of things.

Williamson numbers away from home has sucked due to poor record in his initial days.
 
Well rounded stats doesn't mean you are an equally well rounded player.

Smith has well rounded stats everywhere but all his knocks came on pitches easier for batting or in a strong position of his team.

He struggles to score when his team is on his way to lose or is struggling like in England or Asia.

Anyways, he is still a world class player. I can't deny that.
 
Like I've always said, Kohli has a long way to go in test cricket. He can't play the moving ball, is only just starting yo learn how to score big, can't play quality spin, tends to get bogged down and doesn't have the patience to soak in all that pressure.

He cashed in on the series against Australia, on incredibly flat wickets, but other than that he hasn't done much in test cricket.
 
Ab Fan said:
Well rounded stats doesn't mean you are an equally well rounded player.

Smith has well rounded stats everywhere but all his knocks came on pitches easier for batting or in a strong position of his team.

He struggles to score when his team is on his way to lose or is struggling like in England or Asia.

Anyways, he is still a world class player. I can't deny that.
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Excellently put sir.

Scoring difficult runs against tougher opponents is what separates boys :srt from men :lara

:P
 
Bilal7 said:
Like I've always said, Kohli has a long way to go in test cricket. He can't play the moving ball, is only just starting yo learn how to score big, can't play quality spin, tends to get bogged down and doesn't have the patience to soak in all that pressure.

He cashed in on the series against Australia, on incredibly flat wickets, but other than that he hasn't done much in test cricket.
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It's incredible how calm and easy is he when chasing in ODIs.

But, as they say, test cricket is the pinnacle of game. So he gotta perform here if he wants to become an ATG
 
Bilal7 said:
Like I've always said, Kohli has a long way to go in test cricket. He can't play the moving ball, is only just starting yo learn how to score big, can't play quality spin, tends to get bogged down and doesn't have the patience to soak in all that pressure.

He cashed in on the series against Australia, on incredibly flat wickets, but other than that he hasn't done much in test cricket.
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South Africa and New Zealand don't count, right?
 
Historically, Kohli tends to fail when batting first. 10 out of his 12 test tons have come when fielding first.
 
He is a stroke player. On slow pitches or swinging conditions you have to play with more patience which he needs to develop.
 
Aman said:
Root, more well rounded? Have you seen his record in Australia and NZ?

Then have a look at how many centuries he has scored away from home.
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Yeah but Kane has a poor record in England and South Africa as well. Root has more than a decent record in asia though.
 
street cricketer said:
Amla averages like 40 in the last year or so. Him and AB have been scratchy (just like Kohli) in the last year or so and South Africa's slump in the longer format is no coincidence. None of Kohli, AB and Amla deserve to be in the best XI currently.
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How many tests played last year? It includes an awayseries to India while the rest were having easier series. Amla has alsobeen in fine form this year.
 
How many matches before he would loose captaincy and be dropped altogether?
 
street cricketer said:
Because it's a team selected to play in any condition in the world.

And Kane averages around 40 in Asia and outside Asia out of New Zealand. He has been a beast at home but not as prolific away from NZ.

Younis Khan who is a beast in Asia deserves to be in that line up and Smith and Root have a more rounded record than KW.
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Kane averages 47 in Asia and 50+ in last 2 years.
 
I found out all about Kohli the test player when Anderson humiliated him innings after innings in England and where Kohli looked so clueless to help himself and was so desperate in the end that in his final innings on that tour resorted to playing with an ODI mindset and still got out to Jordan in the slips.

He is only human and will look very ordinary in challenging conditions for batting.
 
KW is more all rounded than Root according to me and when Root gets the captaincy as destined we would get a clear idea in 3-4 years among who is the best.
 
Kohli has a lot to prove in Test Cricket. He is just a good player.

I rate Rahane, Pujara, Vijay and Rahul over Kohli in longer format.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
It's incredible how calm and easy is he when chasing in ODIs.

But, as they say, test cricket is the pinnacle of game. So he gotta perform here if he wants to become an ATG
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Sachin136 said:
South Africa and New Zealand don't count, right?
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Did well in one of the matches against South Africa, which was the same match in which the Saffers almost chased down 458 in the fourth innings. Suffice to say that the conditions were not very challenging.

Did well in New Zealand and looked like a lone warrior in that series. Credit where it's due but one good series does not fit the definion of "much".

He is a good test batsman, don't get me wrong but a level below someone like Kane Williamson. I'd group him with Azhar and Shafiq.
 
street cricketer said:
Doesn't work like that. Sachin carried the hopes of a billion plus population in his twenties with a poor bowling attack as well. He gets no extra points for that when he gets compared to Lara or Ponting. Surely a 5 million people who don't even follow cricket as a top 3 sport won't be hard to manage.

And no, scoring runs in the UAE is not tougher than scoring runs in Australia.
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Batting at no 3 is harder than batting at 4.
 
Said if many times before he is overrated as a test bat. He thinks test are odi's.
 
Should be batting at 5 or 6.
He is not even In front of Pujara and Rahane.
Williamson, Smith and Root are à long way in front.
 
MenInG said:
Whats the fascination with dropping good players?
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Kohli hasn't earned the right to be irreplaceable in test format. If his current slump continues, decision will have to made at one point

Anyways I shouldn't be jumping on a bandwagon before series ends
 
Bilal7 said:
Did well in one of the matches against South Africa, which was the same match in which the Saffers almost chased down 458 in the fourth innings. Suffice to say that the conditions were not very challenging.

Did well in New Zealand and looked like a lone warrior in that series. Credit where it's due but one good series does not fit the definion of "much".

He is a good test batsman, don't get me wrong but a level below someone like Kane Williamson. I'd group him with Azhar and Shafiq.
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I thought pitches in SA were good for bowling. Damn :(
 
Bilal7 said:
Did well in one of the matches against South Africa, which was the same match in which the Saffers almost chased down 458 in the fourth innings. Suffice to say that the conditions were not very challenging.

Did well in New Zealand and looked like a lone warrior in that series. Credit where it's due but one good series does not fit the definion of "much".

He is a good test batsman, don't get me wrong but a level below someone like Kane Williamson. I'd group him with Azhar and Shafiq.
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SA, Australia and NZ were his good series. Australian pitches having been flat the last 10 years but, of the opposition, the only absolutely quality players made runs there.
I cant remember the last time a player was as successful as Kohli was there.
 
sivaji said:
SA, Australia and NZ were his good series. Australian pitches having been flat the last 10 years but, of the opposition, the only absolutely quality players made runs there.
I cant remember the last time a player was as successful as Kohli was there.
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Australian pitches were especially flat in that series which is why Smith looked like Bradman and tail-enders were churning out fifties in each match.

He was lucky enough to be greeted with uncharacteristically flat pitch in South Africa as well.
 
Bilal7 said:
Australian pitches were especially flat in that series which is why Smith looked like Bradman and tail-enders were churning out fifties in each match.

He was lucky enough to be greeted with uncharacteristically flat pitch in South Africa as well.
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Also worth noting that Kohli's hundred in New Zealand came on a very flat track after McCullums 300 where Jimmy Nesham smacked an easy hundred on debut in an inevitable draw. Looked classy while playing it to be fair.
 
Aman said:
Root, more well rounded? Have you seen his record in Australia and NZ?

Then have a look at how many centuries he has scored away from home.
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Root has reformed, a much better batsman thelan the one in 2012/13.
 
Bilal7 said:
Did well in one of the matches against South Africa, which was the same match in which the Saffers almost chased down 458 in the fourth innings. Suffice to say that the conditions were not very challenging.

Did well in New Zealand and looked like a lone warrior in that series. Credit where it's due but one good series does not fit the definion of "much".

He is a good test batsman, don't get me wrong but a level below someone like Kane Williamson. I'd group him with Azhar and Shafiq.
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Pitches can change over the course of a match. During the first innings the pitch was tough to bat on. India scored 280 (next highest after Kohli's 119 was 47) and South Africa only scored 244.
 
Kohli should bat at three, number 4 position doesn't suit his style and personality.
 
Bilal7 said:
Did well in one of the matches against South Africa, which was the same match in which the Saffers almost chased down 458 in the fourth innings. Suffice to say that the conditions were not very challenging.

Did well in New Zealand and looked like a lone warrior in that series. Credit where it's due but one good series does not fit the definion of "much".

He is a good test batsman, don't get me wrong but a level below someone like Kane Williamson. I'd group him with Azhar and Shafiq.
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I've posted the stats here more times than I can count, but people still make statements like this.

Against non-minnows away from home (excluding Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and West Indies):

Kohli averages 48.84 with 7 centuries over 17 matches http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

Williamson averages 40.02 with 5 centuries over 22 matches http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

Root averages 41.84 with 1 century over 15 matches. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

Shafiq averages 36.25 with 2 centuries over 9 matches http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

Azhar Ali averages 29.60 with 1 century over 13 matches http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

If you include Sri Lanka, the difference is just as wide.

According to this, Kohli is a league above Williamson and Root, and you are comparing him with Shafiq and Azhar. His home record is behind the others but he doesn't have the luxury of being served flat pitches at home (for example, Azhar Ali averages 51.52 in the UAE and 29.60 away against non-minnows).
 
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Bilal7 said:
Australian pitches were especially flat in that series which is why Smith looked like Bradman and tail-enders were churning out fifties in each match.

He was lucky enough to be greeted with uncharacteristically flat pitch in South Africa as well.
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The pitches have been flat in Australia for a long time. Ponting even in his out of form period got a big hundreds. Amla made 196. Clarke was scoring double hundreds for fun. The pitches have been flat but not all travelling players scored that many runs.

Smith and Haddin were scoring hundreds in the mitchell Johnson ashes too.

SA have always dished out plenty of flat pitches but lets ignore that for concenience. There were few flat pitches prepared against England too.
 
Guys we just need to be a bit patient.That guy is still finding his feet in this format.The thing going for him is his passion and determination to keep improving.He is a dedicated hard-worker and his work ethics will keep him in good stead.So we must wait and enjoy the ride as he goes about his journey in this format.He definitely has it in him to rise above the rest.
 
Crafty_Indian said:
Guys we just need to be a bit patient.That guy is still finding his feet in this format.The thing going for him is his passion and determination to keep improving.He is a dedicated hard-worker and his work ethics will keep him in good stead.So we must wait and enjoy the ride as he goes about his journey in this format.He definitely has it in him to rise above the rest.
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46 tests bro.

46 tests.

This is how most test players play in their career.

How many more tests he needs to find his feet?

He was effective in Aus, SA and even maybe NZ.

But he was NEVER effective in Asia. Right from 2012/13 barring the NZ series in 2012.

That's the issue with him.
 
WIth that being said, whenever Joberg is discussed, some people say SA almost chased down 458 in 4th innings....so it was a flat track.

What they don't mention is that SA were bundled out by Indians for 244 in 1st innings...which makes Kohli's first innings 100 (he batted before the Saffers when conditions were the most friendly) AWESOME.

Its not that it has not pointed out to them but they choose to ignore it. Haha.

Ashwin screws up Joberg....what a joker? Can't even take wickets on a 5th day track.

Kohli scored in Joberg....meh....SA scored 458 on 5th day track...what a patta...

SA 2013 tracks weren't the toughest SA tracks but some perspective would be nice.
 
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Sachin136 said:
I've posted the stats here more times than I can count, but people still make statements like this.

Against non-minnows away from home (excluding Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and West Indies):

Kohli averages 48.84 with 7 centuries over 17 matches http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

Williamson averages 40.02 with 5 centuries over 22 matches http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

Root averages 41.84 with 1 century over 15 matches. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

Shafiq averages 36.25 with 2 centuries over 9 matches http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

Azhar Ali averages 29.60 with 1 century over 13 matches http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

If you include Sri Lanka, the difference is just as wide.

According to this, Kohli is a league above Williamson and Root, and you are comparing him with Shafiq and Azhar. His home record is behind the others but he doesn't have the luxury of being served flat pitches at home (for example, Azhar Ali averages 51.52 in the UAE and 29.60 away against non-minnows).
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Only in such stats Kohli is a level above Root and Williamson.

In terms of actual effectiveness, he is easily below them.

We play majority of our games in Asia and Kohli has done nothing much barring the odd knocks.
 
We are winning everything under him so chance of dropping him but he will be looking at his own scores now. This seems like a low patch for him. Need to speak with Kumble and spend more time at nets.
 
street cricketer said:
Still doesn't strengthen his case.
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Why not ? Of course it does, he has to come in as an effective opener with Guptill in the team and the new ball still fresh, so there are a lot more opportunities for him to get out early on. Batting at 4 is protected a lot more and nowadays, new ball movement particularly in Asia tends to die well before the 20th over, so the no 4 can come and after a brief partnership between the top order and boss it around for comfortable runs.
 
Haroon786 said:
Why not ? Of course it does, he has to come in as an effective opener with Guptill in the team and the new ball still fresh, so there are a lot more opportunities for him to get out early on. Batting at 4 is protected a lot more and nowadays, new ball movement particularly in Asia tends to die well before the 20th over, so the no 4 can come and after a brief partnership between the top order and boss it around for comfortable runs.
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Root bats in England, so the duke ball tends to swing longer.

Also it is easy to bat up the order in Asia but gets difficult as the new ball and the pitch wears down and ball starts turning a lot.
 
street cricketer said:
Root bats in England, so the duke ball tends to swing longer.

Also it is easy to bat up the order in Asia but gets difficult as the new ball and the pitch wears down and ball starts turning a lot.
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Huh ?

Regardless or not if the Dukes swings for longer in England or not, of course there will be less movement for a batsman when coming in at no 4 vs coming in at no 3 - recently the Dukes hasn't been swinging all too much or for long duration either.

By Asia where do you mean ? SL is the hardest place to open in the world, India has been having lows scores mustered regularly over the last few years both for the home team and opposition and while the UAE is relatively easier to bat on first up, later on reverse swing and spin come into play and second innings scores are typically much lower. If what you said was true, then the top order would average the most, when the fact is it's almost always easier for the middle order batsmen.
 
Haroon786 said:
Huh ?

Regardless or not if the Dukes swings for longer in England or not, of course there will be less movement for a batsman when coming in at no 4 vs coming in at no 3 - recently the Dukes hasn't been swinging all too much or for long duration either.

By Asia where do you mean ? SL is the hardest place to open in the world, India has been having lows scores mustered regularly over the last few years both for the home team and opposition and while the UAE is relatively easier to bat on first up, later on reverse swing and spin come into play and second innings scores are typically much lower. If what you said was true, then the top order would average the most, when the fact is it's almost always easier for the middle order batsmen.
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Kookaburra swings for a much lesser duration than the duke, so not really sure whether it makes that much of a significant difference. Regardless Root has started playing at no.3 now.

The kookaburra doesn't swing for long even in conducive conditions. In abrasive conditions and on turners, it doesn't make a significant difference as it wears down quickly. There is a reason why Warner scored as quick as possible in Sri Lanka before the ball got old and the line up starting with him fell like nine pins to the turners and sliders of Herath and Perrera.

In any case, I don't think you should give extra points for these extra variables. Then you have to take a lot into consideration and the whole comparison thing becomes a tedious process.
 
street cricketer said:
Kookaburra swings for a much lesser duration than the duke, so not really sure whether it makes that much of a significant difference. Regardless Root has started playing at no.3 now.

The kookaburra doesn't swing for long even in conducive conditions. In abrasive conditions and on turners, it doesn't make a significant difference as it wears down quickly. There is a reason why Warner scored as quick as possible in Sri Lanka before the ball got old and the line up starting with him fell like nine pins to the turners and sliders of Herath and Perrera.

In any case, I don't think you should give extra points for these extra variables. Then you have to take a lot into consideration and the whole comparison thing becomes a tedious process.
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If we're talking about recent history, then no, the Dukes hasn't been swinging for long at all, in fact in the England-Pakistan series it hardly swung at all.

I'm pretty sure Warner struggled to get past 20 in the SL tour, he might have got 1 50 but I don't remember anything else from him. In fact, he doesn't make much more than 50 outside Australia or SA.

If we're comparing retired players then yes there isn't a need to compare positions, but current players, I think there is because conditions are rather different in Asia in comparison to outside Asia. For example just take a look at Kohli's difference in average in and outside Asia.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
46 tests bro.

46 tests.

This is how most test players play in their career.

How many more tests he needs to find his feet?

He was effective in Aus, SA and even maybe NZ.

But he was NEVER effective in Asia. Right from 2012/13 barring the NZ series in 2012.

That's the issue with him.
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Well he is definitely not an ordinary player.He just needs to cancel out some of the things he has been fed i.e quick scoring and some such tripe and eventually he will come good.This is a long season and surely someone will point him in d right direction.So just relax.
 
Haroon786 said:
If we're talking about recent history, then no, the Dukes hasn't been swinging for long at all, in fact in the England-Pakistan series it hardly swung at all.

I'm pretty sure Warner struggled to get past 20 in the SL tour, he might have got 1 50 but I don't remember anything else from him. In fact, he doesn't make much more than 50 outside Australia or SA.

If we're comparing retired players then yes there isn't a need to compare positions, but current players, I think there is because conditions are rather different in Asia in comparison to outside Asia. For example just take a look at Kohli's difference in average in and outside Asia.
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The duke ball didn't swing in the Pakistan series because of the wickets and the hot summer conditions (by English standards) it was played in. But generally, the duke ball tends to swing far longer than anywhere else in the world especially in early summer and in cold and damp conditions.

The point was not about Warner. But most of the Australian batsmen found it much easier to score at the start rather than later.

Kohli averages much lesser in Asia than outside Asia, maybe it indicates it's tougher to bat lower down the order in Asia especially on rank turners?
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
46 tests bro.

46 tests.

This is how most test players play in their career.

How many more tests he needs to find his feet?

He was effective in Aus, SA and even maybe NZ.

But he was NEVER effective in Asia. Right from 2012/13 barring the NZ series in 2012.

That's the issue with him.
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Its not about finding his feet. Given his scores, he has found his feet. He just hasnt been able to take it the extra gear that most greats have. The bigger question is whether he has that extra gear. In fact, I would say for Kohli that extra gear is consistency, considering he has played in difficult pitches and scored in crucial circumstances (Adelaide 2nd innings)

Some cricketers need that extra time to get that extra gear. It took Sanga and Kallis a while to come into that mould. Lets hope that Kohli gets there too.
 
Is Virat Kohli's test batting going Umar Akmal way

Given Virat's failures in test cricket, would Akmal finally beat him in Akmal vs Virat comparison?
 
Look, Virat is a brilliant batsman and best or one of the best, least to say. He can face any bowling line-up in any conditions. We saw him scoring runs in Tests against NZ in NZ, against SA in SA and against AUS in AUS. Clearly shows that he has no issues in facing the bowling line ups. But the thing which he lacks is 'temperament'. He is consistent in LOI because you don't get so many 'outstanding' deliveries from the bowlers in the limited over cricket because of the flat/batting friendly pitches. Test cricket is the most difficult cricket and the pitches are difficult. You have to wait for the bad ball to come to play your shot, else you would have to defend it or leave it. Virat loves to play shot, he can not stop himself after playing 2 consecutive maiden, irrespective of how well the bowler is bowling, he will go for the shot and this is the reason why he throws away his wicket.

In short, I don't know whether he is going Umar Akmal's way or not but he lacks patience, don't know if he will improve.
 
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In our defense we set up admirable to comparisons, which shows ambition: is so and so the next Viv or is comparable to tendulkar. You guys compare your gun player to our toy gun player
 
Pete Rose said:
In our defense we set up admirable to comparisons, which shows ambition: is so and so the next Viv or is comparable to tendulkar. You guys compare your gun player to our toy gun player
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hehe.

We do admire your comparisons. It has worked in our benefit generally.

Anyone keen to open a Virat Kohli vs Asad Shafiq thread?
 
street cricketer said:
The duke ball didn't swing in the Pakistan series because of the wickets and the hot summer conditions (by English standards) it was played in. But generally, the duke ball tends to swing far longer than anywhere else in the world especially in early summer and in cold and damp conditions.

The point was not about Warner. But most of the Australian batsmen found it much easier to score at the start rather than later.

Kohli averages much lesser in Asia than outside Asia, maybe it indicates it's tougher to bat lower down the order in Asia especially on rank turners?
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The point is that it's harder to bat at no 3 than it is at no 4. Whatever movement there is, the no 3 will face it before the no 4 batsman hence it is harder for the no 3 batsman.

Apart from one Smith-Marsh partnership, I am pretty sure most of the other innings the top order failed. There was a stat on CI that since 2012, opening stands in SL average less than 30 IIRC.

Bat lower ? You seem to think there is a stratospheric difference between batting at 3 and batting at 4. There is a difference but it's more like a 10% difference rather than a 40% one. For example, if Mitchell Starc is having a good first spell, then it's a lot more likely for the no 3 batsman to face him than it is for the no 4 batsman.
 
Hamzakhalid said:
Don't know if he is good enough for Tests now as he has regressed a lot. I think Babar Azam would be better candidate and Haris can come in as YK retires.
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Babar will be mainstay in all three formats for sure but Haris's time is running out.
 
JattMaula said:
Babar will be mainstay in all three formats for sure but Haris's time is running out.
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i was really impressed by what I got to see from Haris in the WC match against India last year. Was hoping he'd do more.

Dissapointing to see he is fading away now.
 
Haroon786 said:
The point is that it's harder to bat at no 3 than it is at no 4. Whatever movement there is, the no 3 will face it before the no 4 batsman hence it is harder for the no 3 batsman.

Apart from one Smith-Marsh partnership, I am pretty sure most of the other innings the top order failed. There was a stat on CI that since 2012, opening stands in SL average less than 30 IIRC.

Bat lower ? You seem to think there is a stratospheric difference between batting at 3 and batting at 4. There is a difference but it's more like a 10% difference rather than a 40% one. For example, if Mitchell Starc is having a good first spell, then it's a lot more likely for the no 3 batsman to face him than it is for the no 4 batsman.
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No, and that was the point I was making all along.
 
Sidilicious said:
i was really impressed by what I got to see from Haris in the WC match against India last year. Was hoping he'd do more.

Dissapointing to see he is fading away now.
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He's been injured since May 2015

Even when he eventually returns he will have to start from scratch
 
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