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Was Javed Miandad a better Test captain than Imran Khan?

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A shocking stat, that Miandad had a way better test captaincy record than Imran Khan. Miandad led Pakistan to 14 test wins in 34 test matches whereas Imran Khan needed 48 test matches to complete 14 test wins.

Another shocking stat is despite Imran Khan being known as a "very attacking captain" the large majority of the matches he captained ended in draws. Stats also show that Javed Miandad's team beat quality opposition more than Imran Khan who apart from a few matches seemed to feast on the weaker teams.

So was Javed Miandad actually a better test captain than Imran Khan?
 
Lol,Imran didn't play against weaker teams, where are you getting that from? 4 of Miandad's wins are against Sri Lanka, whom Imran didn't play against. Imran's 4 wins are against India, he didn't lose a match to them. 3 against West Indies greatest team ever, all in drawn series. 3 against Australia and 2 against England. Imran reserved himself for the best. Javed also beat a weak New Zealand side 3-0 in 1990. Imran sat out of that series as Hadlee had retired and didn't come to Pakistan.
 
Imran post 85 usually sat out home tests unless it was westindies or India he only played the Lanka tests in 91 as it was his final series in Pakistan and he wanted to stay match fit for the upcoming World Cup.
He even stated away when England and aus were visiting pakstan as even that was not a big enough challenge for him
 
There is a reason why Imran Khan is called Immy The Great. Do not let his controversial life style with women take anything away from what a wonderful cricketer he was. He's a legend of the game.
 
Imran was not only a better test captain than Javed Miandad but he is also the greatest Asian test captain of all-time closely followed by Saurav Ganguly.

At its peak, he was a Malcom Marshall level bowler, Allan Border level captain, Misbah-ul-Haq level batsmen and Shaheen Shah Afridi level fielder.
 
The answer to that question is No, but Javed was a pretty good captain himself as well and he aided Imran in his captaincy with his tactical nous too.
 
Lol,Imran didn't play against weaker teams, where are you getting that from? 4 of Miandad's wins are against Sri Lanka, whom Imran didn't play against. Imran's 4 wins are against India, he didn't lose a match to them. 3 against West Indies greatest team ever, all in drawn series. 3 against Australia and 2 against England. Imran reserved himself for the best. Javed also beat a weak New Zealand side 3-0 in 1990. Imran sat out of that series as Hadlee had retired and didn't come to Pakistan.

Imran lost a Test in Sri Lanka in 1986. A Sri Lankan team that only won 2 Test matches in the entire decade.

No wonder Imran didn’t like playing against minnows after that humiliation.
 
Imran’s captaincy legacy is overhyped because of his own narcissism and the hero worshiping culture in Pakistan.

He takes too much credit for the success of other players. He was lucky he got hold of once in a generation talents like Wasim, Waqar and Inzamam (who didn’t do justice to his talents because of his laziness).

He also got lucky with the 1992 World Cup. A flash in the pan victory that is haunting us to date.

Miandad was a better captain. Unfortunately, he didn’t come from a cricketing family, didn’t go to Oxford, didn’t hang out with posh Brits and didn’t have a particularly appealing personality.

The factors allowed an inferior captain in Imran to lead the team and position himself as the so-called greatest captain in Pakistan history.
 
Imran was not only a better test captain than Javed Miandad but he is also the greatest Asian test captain of all-time closely followed by Saurav Ganguly.

At its peak, he was a Malcom Marshall level bowler, Allan Border level captain, Misbah-ul-Haq level batsmen and Shaheen Shah Afridi level fielder.

Imran was a decent batsman, but Misbah was a better batsman, also Imran wasn't that great a fielder.
 
Imran lost a Test in Sri Lanka in 1986. A Sri Lankan team that only won 2 Test matches in the entire decade.

No wonder Imran didn’t like playing against minnows after that humiliation.

That Sri Lankan team beat India in the test series in 1985. Also drew tests in Australia. They were the weakest team of that decade but were no pushovers especially at home.
 
Luck favors the brave. Pretty much every member of the 92 winning side credits his captaincy as critical for victory.
 
Imran lost a Test in Sri Lanka in 1986. A Sri Lankan team that only won 2 Test matches in the entire decade.

No wonder Imran didn’t like playing against minnows after that humiliation.

Every captain has blemishes in their record. Steve Waugh nearly lost a series at home to New Zealand at their peak. Clive Lloyd lost to New Zealand away and Ganguly was whitewashed in New Zealand. Ponting nearly lost a test to Bangladesh.
 
Miandad is more of a good number 2 to have. Imran Khan is certainly a better captain.
 
Miandad was so great a captain that his own team revolted not once but twice to have him removed.
 
IK, probably the all time best captain. What a ridiculous question comparing Ik with Miandad, lack of knowledge of cricket history ?
 
Imran’s captaincy legacy is overhyped because of his own narcissism and the hero worshiping culture in Pakistan.

He takes too much credit for the success of other players. He was lucky he got hold of once in a generation talents like Wasim, Waqar and Inzamam (who didn’t do justice to his talents because of his laziness).

He also got lucky with the 1992 World Cup. A flash in the pan victory that is haunting us to date.

Miandad was a better captain. Unfortunately, he didn’t come from a cricketing family, didn’t go to Oxford, didn’t hang out with posh Brits and didn’t have a particularly appealing personality.

The factors allowed an inferior captain in Imran to lead the team and position himself as the so-called greatest captain in Pakistan history.

1980's. Pakistan was far and away considered the 2nd best side in the world unanimously and only reason they could not be number was the windies side of that era has a strong claim to be the best side ever and Imran has a 3-3 h2h vs them

One random test loss does not take away the fact that he won away to England, India drew in nzl (3rd best side of that era) and. Westindies.
 
Having watched both in action, I'd say Miandad was a very capable stand-in to Imran, tactically great, amazing fighter; but really no match for Imran in leadership skills and authority.

Imran was smart enough to know what Miandad brought to team tactics and always leaned on him for advice - as good leaders do.

Imran played against all the good teams in tough conditions as captain and led admirably. He had a good team on hand, although I'd argue not a great one. From what I remember, from 1980-85, he really only had Qadir to fight alongside him when he took on England, West Indies, Australia etc. No other bowlers of pedigree - yet he used each resource to its full potential.

There is a reason why if you take 11's picked by great players, you will see Imran being Captain for many of those.

Better to listen to them than some random PPer looking at numbers without context.
 
So was Javed Miandad actually a better test captain than Imran Khan?

Imran was a good motivator, and good at keeping his young men calm on the field in pressure situations.

Javed was better tactically. However he had poor discipline - I recall the whole team, led by Javed, surrounding the ump and arguing in a test in England. That was reprehensible, and could have precipitated violence in the stands.

The dream leadership team would be Imran to motivate and keep the team calm, with Javed advising and making tactical adjustments.
 
Miandad had access to much better players than Imran did, Wasim and Waqar were two game changing bowlers to name just two. There's more to being a good leader than just tactics, and to be fair Imran himself gave Javed a lot of credit for his on-field savvy. But he was not captaincy material.
 
If W/L ratio was the only factor that determines who makes a great captain then yes.

However Miandad, despite his tactical strengths, was an awful man manager which is why he's been sacked or forced to resign as captain or coach on countless occasions.

In fairness to Miandad, he dutifully served under Imran and didn't kick up a fuss when he handed the reins back to Imran whenever the latter came back from a sabbatical.

And I don't care how many times I hear pundits writing 1990s porn - Pakistan's 1980s team was the greatest of all because it was a cohesive unit under Imran and Javed and never shied away against the best team of their era unlike the 90s bunch.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Imran help overthrow Miandad as captain, after Javed lead Pakistan to a series win in England?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Imran help overthrow Miandad as captain, after Javed lead Pakistan to a series win in England?

That's if you believe Miandad. In reality, you cant overthrow a captain who is not already unpopular in his own team.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Imran help overthrow Miandad as captain, after Javed lead Pakistan to a series win in England?

What are you on about? Javed beat England in 1992 and Immy was retired from cricket by then.
 
Imran’s captaincy legacy is overhyped because of his own narcissism and the hero worshiping culture in Pakistan.

He takes too much credit for the success of other players. He was lucky he got hold of once in a generation talents like Wasim, Waqar and Inzamam (who didn’t do justice to his talents because of his laziness).

He also got lucky with the 1992 World Cup. A flash in the pan victory that is haunting us to date.

Miandad was a better captain. Unfortunately, he didn’t come from a cricketing family, didn’t go to Oxford, didn’t hang out with posh Brits and didn’t have a particularly appealing personality.

The factors allowed an inferior captain in Imran to lead the team and position himself as the so-called greatest captain in Pakistan history.
lolz
 
What are you on about? Javed beat England in 1992 and Immy was retired from cricket by then.

According to Miandad's book, Khan was lobbying for removal of Miandad from captaincy. There was a dinner that he was not invited to, but others were at Khan's place in England. Khan used his influence on the star players to get Miandad ousted. Ofcourse its not to say Miandad is a very likeable person. Surely his own behavior would've lead to some of that too. If I'm not wrong Wasim Akram became captain after Miandad was ousted. He himself didn't know much about captaincy then, but was seen as the heir to the throne after Khan.
 
https://www.telegraphindia.com/spor...y-blackmailed-to-play-under-akram/cid/1038982

According to the tenacious Karachi cricketer, Imran, who was writing for the English Press when Pakistan toured England in 1992 under his captaincy, “wrote a few pieces where I thought he was trying to disclose our weaknesses and our strategy.... It wasn’t the sort of thing you expected from your immediate past captain”.

At around that time, Imran also threw a party where the entire team barring Miandad, Rameez Raja and Salim Malik were invited.

“I found this strange. Here was a man who just a few months ago was captaining from a lofty perch, unwilling to give the team’s youngsters even the time of day, now he was reaching out to these very same lowly youngsters and inviting them to dinner.

“My guess is that Imran’s efforts were aimed at trying to create an intrigue against my captaincy,” Miandad writes.

Miandad’s bitterness comes through when he says though Pakistan won the 1992 World Cup under Imran, he was not a “universally admired man”. “He was a fine cricket leader and no one doubted that but the players’ patience with his obsession for the hospital fundraising (referring to the cancer hospital put up by Imran in Lahore) had started to wear thin.

“The players had nicknamed him ‘meter’, implying a money counter that was always ticking. Imran was well aware that none of the players was sad to see him go.”

Miandad says Imran’s influence on the board was “still very strong” and he was not quite surprised when he was sacked in January 1993 and Wasim Akram named his successor.

Not one to take things lying down, Miandad recounts that he let top board officials know that he did not agree with Akram’s appointment. “Today you have destroyed Pakistan cricket” was what he claims to have told the then PCB chairman.

“It was not that Akram was not a deserving candidate. He just didn’t deserve the captaincy at that point of time. I felt strongly that I should have continued in the interest of the team’s stability.”


“I cannot help feeling that if the Pakistan Cricket Board had only listened to me back in 1993 when I pleaded with them not to play around with my captaincy and to let me finish my job, this sorry mess may well have been avoided,” he says.

The prolific batsman, who time and again mentions the hurt he feels when he is criticised in his own country, says the board “emotionally blackmailed” him into playing under Akram’s captaincy.

The 46-year-old Miandad minces no words in exposing the malice of the board officials and selectors towards him in the latter part of his career, in which he accumulated 8832 runs from 124 Tests.

Writing about his experience at a training camp where he was required to prove his fitness to the selectors, he says: “I got padded and gloved, put on a helmet, and got ready to face our bowlers.

“Right from the first delivery, I began facing bouncers — all hostile, ugly and short-pitched. The selectors had apparently given our bowlers a game plan that they hadn’t shared with me. The bowlers — Wasim, Waqar, Aaqib Javed — had difficulty looking me in the eye. It was obvious the selectors had forced them to do this. After the first few bouncers, the bowlers began apologising, but still they kept digging them in short.

“I was incensed, I threw my helmet in a fit of rage and challenged the bowlers to aim for my head. That finally shamed them into improving their length.”
 
Javed was a street fighter, with very good cricket intelligence and some naughty staff as well - he won’t mind crossing the line if it helps his team, but guy was honest trier and gave his 150% for his team. Imran wasn’t the shrewdest tactician as captain but he was a fantastic leader & champion competitor - he drew respect, admiration and fear not only among his team but his opponents as well. I read somewhere in 1990 Australian tour, PAK got a beating from the hosts and Imran wasn’t in his bowling best .... SCG Test was washed out for 3+ days; in one of those days (evening) Aussie players were having beers at hotel pool side and they were rowdy - suddenly Imran appeared and including Allen Border, everyone paused for a second or two together; it was complete silence for a moment - these are staffs you would hear for someone Donald Bradman in Australia ......

I think, Javed was a fantastic deputy, who probably was more involved tactically into the game than Imran (who put most his focus to the young pacers he had); but Imran’s quality was that he was a great listener & he had the attitude to accept suggestions, chose one option and back it. I think, once he said, in cricket there is no right or wrong call as long as you can justify that - as a player captain, he could justify almost every call he took.

As a human, I don’t think I should write here - the previous article published in telegraph probably is enough to tell about Javed Miandad, the person.
 
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