What's a Non-Practicing Muslim?

[Justcrazy]

What is the meaning so called non practicing Muslim. Many people these days call themselves to be non practicing Muslims. I wonder what does this really means. How can a person be a Muslim and at the same time a non practicing?

 

[LethalSami]

non-practicing muslims= muslims who think (only believe) rather than act (pray)..

majority of Muslims are non-muslim, like me

we follow somethings (which suits our wants/personality), but don't follow other guidelines..

example: we take/give interest/Suud .............though we know/believe its haraam

we lie.......though we know/believe its haraam............but we can't usually help it.....

 

[Abdullah22]

Excuses to do unislamic acts without being seen as a Kaffir.

If you call them out on their acts the typical reply would be: "You don't have the right to judge who is Muslim and who not."

 

[PakPrince]

what people do you hang out with bud?

I know many Muslims(sometimes me too) who dont do the required things but calling yourself non-practising Muslims is taking the ****..

Better not call yourself a Muslim then.

You're either a Muslim or you're not.. Not that hard to understand

 

[Justcrazy]

Ramdhan is the best time to open this dead but important thread

 

[kasim7864]

Some would say that those who do not pray Salah are not Muslims

 

[srh]

I read a report log time ago which said Zinedine Zidane (footballer) is a non-practicing muslim. Not sure if it was true though.

 

[Down2Earth]

Some would say that those who do not pray Salah are not Muslims

And those are the ones who are hypocrites and have no right to call someone else a non muslim

 

[Looney]

I would think the person was born into it but does not follow Islam

 

[eradicator]

The ones that are accidentally born into Muslim families but do not believe they need to follow Islam to excel in life or be a good human being .

 

[Justcrazy]

^^^^

Lol accidentally born.

 

[Justcrazy]

Some would say that those who do not pray Salah are not Muslims

Yes , many hadith and Quran ayats do indicate towards that.

 

[Garuda]

Excuses to do unislamic acts without being seen as a Kaffir.

If you call them out on their acts the typical reply would be: "You don't have the right to judge who is Muslim and who not."

This.

As a non-muslim, from my experience, this is the exact definition for your question.

 

[James]

Never before have I seen a religion where the subscribers waste so much time attempting to 'expose' each other. Focus on keeping your own affairs and behaviours in check; when the perceived rules are as strict as they are, that's surely challenge enough.

 

[justarslan]

Never before have I seen a religion where the subscribers waste so much time attempting to 'expose' each other. Focus on keeping your own affairs and behaviours in check; when the perceived rules are as strict as they are, that's surely challenge enough.

Gossip is national sport for desi people.

 

[iHammad]

Muslim just by name, or born into a muslim family.

If you go on Footballer Samir Nasri (Man City) 's wikipedia page, it claims he is a non practicing muslim.

I would assume the same with celebrities like Zayn Malik and Shahrukh Khan.

But it's not right to judge or assume, Allah hu Aalam.

 

[justarslan]

Most people in the world are non-practicing/partial practicing of their religion except the converts.

 

[truthseer]

For those calling others Non-Muslim based on petty things and are probably not even aware of this Hadith;

It is reported on the authority of Ibn `Umar that the Prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him) said: Any person who calls his brother: O Unbeliever! (then the truth of this label) would return to one of them. If it is true, (then it is) as he asserted, (but if it is not true), then it returns to him (and thus the person who made the accusation is an Unbeliever). [Muslim]

 

[Fallen King]

No one is perfect. It takes time. Refrain from the judging part. It took me more than 20 years to realize what i had missed in my first 20 years. No one is born perfect. One of beautiful hope for the whole mankind is Allaah (SWT) is most Merciful, and even if our sins increase all the way to the sky, Allaah (SWT) will still forgive us and accept our repentance. Avoid from Shirk, and Polytheism.

Non-Practicing Muslims? It's more like they need more times which is understandable. Allaah (SWT) is always Most Merciful ever. Take your times, but remember to avoid Shirk, Polytheism and false sect.

Please, try at least especially we are heading for WW3 and tough times ahead. Who knows whether we will be alive or not. Make a count while we can. I am all thankful to Allaah (SWT) for awaking me in the right time, Alhamdulillah!

May Allaah (SWT) forgives your sins, our and every believers from Prophet Adam to Prophet Muhammad (PBUTA), and protects the Ummaah of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) away from the Dajjal and Dajjal's fitna, Ameen!


As Salaamu Alaykum!

 

[Black Zero]

What about practising non-muslims...?

I trust my reasons and i do ijtihad myself...

 

[Cricketismylife]

Excuses to do unislamic acts without being seen as a Kaffir.

bluntly put but thats it.

The backlash is too much for being a Kaafir so its the easy way out.

Its relaxed in other religions and people can openly say they dont like it and they want out.

e.g. bhagat singh was an open athiest. He said many times that he doesnt believe in any sort of god. He is still a hero to many including die hard sikhs.

Such approach is certainly not possibly in Muslim scenario.

If you are born a muslim there is no way out. Others still follow the scripture in the strictest sense and at worst one can be killed for leaving Islam under Sharia. Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[King Cobra]

I am yet to see 1 Pakistani atheist on this forum whereas many Indians openly claim of being one. I think there is too much pressure on muslims to come across as religious and even if a single Muslim shows a bit disinterest in Islam then the whole Ummah army starts preaching him nonstop with versus , sermons .

And as far as morality is concerned , Muslims are just as bad as the Whites ( whom we desis accuse of being immoral ) . The only difference is that the former commit their sins in private , hide behind the mask of religion whereas the latter do everything in open and dont claim to be religious either .

Its not difficult to say which lot has more hypocrites .

 

[Cricketismylife]

Is there a law against converting away from Islam in Pakistan? I mean does the blasphemy law cover this aspect as well?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am yet to see 1 Pakistani atheist on this forum whereas many Indians openly claim of being one. I think there is too much pressure on muslims to come across as religious and even if a single Muslim shows a bit disinterest in Islam then the whole Ummah army starts preaching him nonstop with versus , sermons .

And as far as morality is concerned , Muslims are just as bad as the Whites ( whom we desis accuse of being immoral ) . The only difference is that the former commit their sins in private , hide behind the mask of religion whereas the latter do everything in open and dont claim to be religious either .

Its not difficult to say which lot has more hypocrites .

Not that I disagree with you but I don't see that much different in your attitude than those Muslims you are deriding in your post. It's always easier to point at someone from the other faith and and compare unfavourably with your own which is basically what you have done.

As for finding no atheist Muslims on this forum because of some pressure to come across as religious, what pressure is there on an anonymous bulletin board? In the real world it's a different story, but that's not what you were talking about is it?

 

[Badsha]

I would think the person was born into it but does not follow Islam

Generally it's this.


People who are attatched to Islam by culture but not by heart.



A muslim means a person who follows the five pillars of Islam. If you don't practice that how can you even call yourself muslim?

A non practicing muslim is like a non school going student. By definition it makes no sense but it's now a word for a certain type of people.

 

[shaykh1985]

If its information that someone volunteers...ie 'im a non practicing Muslim'...then normally that implies that someone is aware of what they are supposed to follow and agree with the rules and regulations but due to their own personal weaknesses they don't practice the faith...ie believe in the obligation of prayer but don't actually do it...

To become a non-Muslim for instance would mean you don't believe in the obligation of prayer for instance and then obviously don't follow the rule...

 

[JustListen]

Non-practicing muslim means that the person is Muslim by birth but does not follows it in daily life.

Some non-practicing muslims that come in my mind are Samir Nasri (Man City), Rob Van Persie (Man Utd, his wife is a muslim)

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If its information that someone volunteers...ie 'im a non practicing Muslim'...then normally that implies that someone is aware of what they are supposed to follow and agree with the rules and regulations but due to their own personal weaknesses they don't practice the faith...ie believe in the obligation of prayer but don't actually do it...

To become a non-Muslim for instance would mean you don't believe in the obligation of prayer for instance and then obviously don't follow the rule...

Not sure that's right either. To become a non-muslim you have to actively confirm your rejection of the faith, otherwise you are just a muslim who doesn't actually follow the rituals.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

A practising muslim is basically someone that follows some tenet of islam and a non practising muslim is someone who doesnt follow any
It's one of them falacies where people who want to be seen as practising become more stuck in their ways and start doing acts , not just for the sake of Allah, to avoid being called hypocrites
and the non practising muslims 'rebel' even more just to wind up the practising muslims

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A practising muslim is basically someone that follows some tenet of islam and a non practising muslim is someone who doesnt follow any
It's one of them falacies where people who want to be seen as practising become more stuck in their ways and start doing acts , not just for the sake of Allah, to avoid being called hypocrites
and the non practising muslims 'rebel' even more just to wind up the practising muslims

I've seen "practising muslims" who swindle benefits and buy stolen goods, as opposed to non-practising muslims who don't lie or cheat anyone. Not everyone fits into nicely segregated categories. You just have to look at the state of muslim countries to see that.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

I've seen "practising muslims" who swindle benefits and buy stolen goods, as opposed to non-practising muslims who don't lie or cheat anyone. Not everyone fits into nicely segregated categories. You just have to look at the state of muslim countries to see that.

Allah is most forgiving, there's practising muslims who commit all kinds of sin but if they didn't commit sin , Allah wouldn't be able to forgive their sins. The distinguishable feature between them and non muslims would be following islam whether that's believing in the kalimah or praying depending on your views
As for non practising muslims who don't lie or cheat, they do so because they are following a moral code which religion and their birth into islam has given them.
And the state of some muslim countries is in my view down to the leaders not following islam properly

 

[aashiqmizaaj]

Not sure that's right either. To become a non-muslim you have to actively confirm your rejection of the faith, otherwise you are just a muslim who doesn't actually follow the rituals.

Part of the faith is adhering to the prayers. It's one thing to say I don't pray, it's another to say I don't have to pray and it's something completely different to say I don't have to pray and I can still be a Muslim. Not praying is an indication of rejecting the faith.

In particular, if you don't pray and have a dismissive attitude about it (meaning it doesn't bother you that you're not praying) and then still calling yourself a Muslim is a bit of a stretch.

Having said all the above, another person should not think poorly of such people. That's a completely different matter. Also, prayer or fasting is not a ritual.

 

[shaheer]

There is no concept such as a practicing or a non practicing Muslim , its either you are a Muslim you are not as Allama Iqbal says that 'even the shaitaan knows the faraids (compulsory acts) of wudhu'

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There is no concept such as a practicing or a non practicing Muslim , its either you are a Muslim you are not as Allama Iqbal says that 'even the shaitaan knows the faraids (compulsory acts) of wudhu'

I wonder what Allama Iqbal would have to say about practising muslims who order people off a bus and gun them down after checking their IDs?

 

[PakPrince]

Non practising Muslim = People who say they are Muslims and have read the kalimah and believe in the Oneness of Allah and the finality of Prophethood, however fail to perform the required practises such as Prayers and Fast among others.

The other is Secular Muslim ie Muslims who feel that Islam is a personal matter between the individual and Allah and others have no right or need to interfere in their religious practises. They usually say Salah and Fast regularly but do not make a big show like the s called righteous Muslims.

My definitions

 

[0tt0man]

How can someone be a Muslim and not belong to any religious order at the same time? )
That's a secular Muslim to you.

 

[munda_khi]

Non practising Muslim = People who say they are Muslims and have read the kalimah and believe in the Oneness of Allah and the finality of Prophethood, however fail to perform the required practises such as Prayers and Fast among others.

The other is Secular Muslim ie Muslims who feel that Islam is a personal matter between the individual and Allah and others have no right or need to interfere in their religious practises. They usually say Salah and Fast regularly but do not make a big show like the s called righteous Muslims.

My definitions

agree to the first completely.

second is a bit confusing. if we assume this group as non-practising group then what about the so called righteous group who force people to act on there believes, an unislamic practice.

 

[PakPrince]

agree to the first completely.

second is a bit confusing. if we assume this group as non-practising group then what about the so called righteous group who force people to act on there believes, an unislamic practice.

they are the tableeghi mullahs

naam Islami, kaam (well most Pakistanis know - hint: has the word 'haram' in it)

 

[0tt0man]

they are the tableeghi mullahs

naam Islami, kaam (well most Pakistanis know - hint: has the word 'haram' in it)

Tableegh isn't based on coercion, son. Get your facts right before jumping into threads that end up making you look a fool.

 

[vcool80]

non practising muslim is a word to save from being branded as murtad. even those who left islam follows Islamic culture and society. they need to survive in Muslim society. unlike a Christian or Jew who denounce religion, a Muslim cannot have such liberties. so, covering your identity is fine.

 

[amateurdentist]

I wonder what Allama Iqbal would have to say about practising muslims who order people off a bus and gun them down after checking their IDs?

I've seen "practising muslims" who swindle benefits and buy stolen goods, as opposed to non-practising muslims who don't lie or cheat anyone. Not everyone fits into nicely segregated categories. You just have to look at the state of muslim countries to see that.

technically these two groups of muslims would not come under practicing muslims. to lie,cheat,steal and murder are all major sins. doesnt matter weather you pray five times a day, if you are a repeat offender of these sins, you cannot be defined as a practising muslim

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Muslim just by name, or born into a muslim family.

If you go on Footballer Samir Nasri (Man City) 's wikipedia page, it claims he is a non practicing muslim.

I would assume the same with celebrities like Zayn Malik and Shahrukh Khan.

But it's not right to judge or assume, Allah hu Aalam.

He just scored and raised his shirt to reveal a t-shirt bearing the slogan "EID MUBARAK".

No doubt offending many true practising muslim by tainting this glorious celebration with his hypocritical message. issed:

 

[ElRaja]

I am yet to see 1 Pakistani atheist on this forum whereas many Indians openly claim of being one. I think there is too much pressure on muslims to come across as religious and even if a single Muslim shows a bit disinterest in Islam then the whole Ummah army starts preaching him nonstop with versus , sermons .

And as far as morality is concerned , Muslims are just as bad as the Whites ( whom we desis accuse of being immoral ) . The only difference is that the former commit their sins in private , hide behind the mask of religion whereas the latter do everything in open and dont claim to be religious either .

Its not difficult to say which lot has more hypocrites .

i would call myself irreligious, and i have openly done so previously on this forum, in the real world my close friends (pakistani too) know of my lack of religious convinctions however for the reason you highlighted above its not something i advertise.

i still feel a connection with practising muslim people because i grew up in a predominantly muslim society and all my family are fairly religious.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

He just scored and raised his shirt to reveal a t-shirt bearing the slogan "EID MUBARAK".

No doubt offending many true practising muslim by tainting this glorious celebration with his hypocritical message. issed:

i doubt he wrote his own wiki page

and i'm sure it would offend the attajurks, who hate to see any sign of faith in sport, including sajdahs and interviews

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

i doubt he wrote his own wiki page

and i'm sure it would offend the attajurks, who hate to see any sign of faith in sport, including sajdahs and interviews

I don't recall seeing any "attajurks" showing hatred to any sign of faith in sport. If you have some which you want to highlight go ahead. Don't be shy.

 

[Warfare]

I don't recall seeing any "attajurks" showing hatred to any sign of faith in sport. If you have some which you want to highlight go ahead. Don't be shy.

Probably because some "attajurks" on teh internet said so and therefore this was taken as complete fact by our fellow Chacha for all the "atturjurks" out there.

The internet is after all serious business.

 

[Justcrazy]

non practising muslim is a word to save from being branded as murtad. even those who left islam follows Islamic culture and society. they need to survive in Muslim society. unlike a Christian or Jew who denounce religion, a Muslim cannot have such liberties. so, covering your identity is fine.

I think there might be truth in what you say.

But in many cases in countries like Uk / Canada / India etc also there are Muslims who call themselves as Non Practicing , despite there been no danger if they do not call themselves so.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

A person born in a Muslim family who believes in all the tenets of Islam and the teaching of the Quran but has not put all of them into practice.

IMO Non-Practicing Muslim is a offensive term. Instead they should be called 'slow adopter'. In Sikhism Sahajdhari (slow adopter) is a person who has chosen the path of Sikhism, but has not still become an Amritdhari (a baptized Sikh initiated into the Khalsa). A sahajdhari believes in all the tenets of Sikhism and the teachings of the Sikh Gurus, but may or may not adorn the five symbols of the Sikh faith.

Sahajdhari is a compound of two words sahaj and dhari. In Sanskrit and other Indo-Aryan languages, the words Sahaj means: spiritual state of equilibrium and dhari means "adopter".

 

[the Great Khan]

Non practising Muslim = People who say they are Muslims and have read the kalimah and believe in the Oneness of Allah and the finality of Prophethood, however fail to perform the required practises such as Prayers and Fast among others.

The other is Secular Muslim ie Muslims who feel that Islam is a personal matter between the individual and Allah and others have no right or need to interfere in their religious practises. They usually say Salah and Fast regularly but do not make a big show like the s called righteous Muslims.

My definitions

secular Muslim and non practicisng are the same in my opinion..Because if you commit to the five pillars you will not think its a personal matter..this is a misconception..If you pray you pray in jamaat in public hence the personal aspect dissapears..

but without getting into things to deeply I understand your point..unfortunatley i seem to encounter many "secualr" friends who are blatantly atheist..

 

[Jadz]

Muslims appear to be rather too eager in creating different categories for their co-religioinists. One is a Muslim who believes him or herself to be so, whether practising or not.

Some Muslims who adhere to the rituals of religion could also - conceivably - be placed in a non-practising bracket on account of their actions, which contradict and conflict with the substance and essence of true Faith.

Whereas those Muslims who do not actively practice their Faith do, nevertheless, adhere to the real spirit of Islam - through actions. So practising one's religion without also manifesting the acts of true faith is, in actuality, redundant.

People tend to focus upon outward forms, because sometimes appearance is more easily identifiable than reality. However, appearance and reality are often two entirely different things. Thus, a religious person is not only one who performs the rituals of his/her faith, but rather one who believes that faith in God encompasses every act, no matter how great or small.

Ultimately, it is God Who judges according to HIS Knowledge of the human heart.

 

[Solid Snake]

Top post Jadz, and as usual hit the nail on the head

 

[Jadz]

Top post Jadz, and as usual hit the nail on the head

Thankyou SS

 

[shaykh1985]

Not sure that's right either. To become a non-muslim you have to actively confirm your rejection of the faith, otherwise you are just a muslim who doesn't actually follow the rituals.

There are things that would take you out of belief...this has been discussed in other threads but stating your Muslim but you don't believe in prayer for instance would take you out of the fold of Islam...

Not following rituals is sinful...not believing in the legitimacy of rituals is disbelief...

 

[munda_khi]

a person who pray five times a day, fast, perform haj every next year, keep beard but take bribe or do black marketing, where would we classify him a practising or non-practising muslim or simply non-muslim.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There are things that would take you out of belief...this has been discussed in other threads but stating your Muslim but you don't believe in prayer for instance would take you out of the fold of Islam...

Not following rituals is sinful...not believing in the legitimacy of rituals is disbelief...

Yes that sounds like the sort of understanding a scholar or theologian would have of religion. Ritual is more important than decency or compassion when looked at in that light.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Muslims appear to be rather too eager in creating different categories for their co-religioinists. One is a Muslim who believes him or herself to be so, whether practising or not.

Some Muslims who adhere to the rituals of religion could also - conceivably - be placed in a non-practising bracket on account of their actions, which contradict and conflict with the substance and essence of true Faith.

Whereas those Muslims who do not actively practice their Faith do, nevertheless, adhere to the real spirit of Islam - through actions. So practising one's religion without also manifesting the acts of true faith is, in actuality, redundant.

People tend to focus upon outward forms, because sometimes appearance is more easily identifiable than reality. However, appearance and reality are often two entirely different things. Thus, a religious person is not only one who performs the rituals of his/her faith, but rather one who believes that faith in God encompasses every act, no matter how great or small.

Ultimately, it is God Who judges according to HIS Knowledge of the human heart.

Top post.

 

[shaykh1985]

Yes that sounds like the sort of understanding a scholar or theologian would have of religion. Ritual is more important than decency or compassion when looked at in that light.

I'm neither a scholar nor a theologian...you mention 'decency' but that itself is a subjective term...decency tends to be a social construct and often has some kind of link to religious thought...

But on the point...by being Muslim there are certain things I have to believe in otherwise I'm not Muslim...just saying you are doesn't mean you are...you gonna tell me that the nation of islam are muslims just cos they say so?...if I decide tomorrow I'm christian but say I believe Muhammad is the final prophet and I believe in the Quran then am I a Christian?...

In terms of belief and action it makes perfect sense to me that fornication and drinking are sinful acts...the issue of disbelief occurs when one argues that Islam legitimises these acts...if one doesn't fast or give zakat then he is sinning...when he states that Islam says nothing about either then this is contradicting scripture...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

But on the point...by being Muslim there are certain things I have to believe in otherwise I'm not Muslim...just saying you are doesn't mean you are...

According to who?

 

[shaykh1985]

According to who?

Oh ok...I see where your going with this...yes this is a scholastic understanding of Islam...and yes I follow scholars opinions on islamic issues...I have had the layman vs scholar debate on here before so before I discuss that...are you suggesting that you as a layman can deduce hukms for yourself?...are you capable of performing ijtihad?...can you tell me what Islam says about new realities such as abortion with scriptural evidence?...can you also tell me how to perform salah?....

And btw can you tell me what 'decent' is?...

 

[the Great Khan]

i believe the terms used in Islam are: Munafiq,Mushriq,fassiq

munafiq: hypocrite who says one things does anotehr and believes something else. Anyone of us could afall into this category.

mushrik: an individual who commits shirk again anyone of us could at times unkowningly fall into this category

faasiq: probably the most common and commonly known as a sinful Musalman who is sinful but does not fall out of the bounds of his deen. Many of us fall into this category.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Oh ok...I see where your going with this...yes this is a scholastic understanding of Islam...and yes I follow scholars opinions on islamic issues...I have had the layman vs scholar debate on here before so before I discuss that...are you suggesting that you as a layman can deduce hukms for yourself?...are you capable of performing ijtihad?...can you tell me what Islam says about new realities such as abortion with scriptural evidence?...can you also tell me how to perform salah?....

And btw can you tell me what 'decent' is?...

Can you tell me why I would need to do any of those things and to what purpose? If someone doesn't agree with me what are they going to do about it?

BTW, I'm not being facetious, I'm just trying to cut through the crap and get down to what really counts at the end of the day. Getting into pointless debates about what does "decent" mean isn't going to lead anywhere worthwhile in my view.

 

[shaykh1985]

Can you tell me why I would need to do any of those things and to what purpose? If someone doesn't agree with me what are they going to do about it?

BTW, I'm not being facetious, I'm just trying to cut through the crap and get down to what really counts at the end of the day. Getting into pointless debates about what does "decent" mean isn't going to lead anywhere worthwhile in my view.

Well as a Muslim how do you decide whether something is Islamic or not?...

You state 'why would you need to do any of those things?'...surely prayer is something Muslims need to know how to do...

How do you know how much zakat to pay?...these are practical questions for a Muslim...surely knowing what is obligation and what is forbidden is useful information for a Muslim...how do you discover that yourself?...

You yourself brought up the issue of decency as if it has a universal definition...decency in terms of definition is a social construct...your ideas about decency aren't inherent...they are constructed...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well as a Muslim how do you decide whether something is Islamic or not?...

You state 'why would you need to do any of those things?'...surely prayer is something Muslims need to know how to do...

How do you know how much zakat to pay?...these are practical questions for a Muslim...surely knowing what is obligation and what is forbidden is useful information for a Muslim...how do you discover that yourself?...

You yourself brought up the issue of decency as if it has a universal definition...decency in terms of definition is a social construct...your ideas about decency aren't inherent...they are constructed...

But there are several different schools of thought on matters such as how to pray and several different sects with their own version. So how do you arrive at a conclusion which is correct and what if you choose the wrong one?

 

[Pakz]

I was reading this article once where the writer described himself as an atheist and at the same applying to the Islamic rituals. Never heard of such cases before (other than other religions), but is that the definition of non practising?

There are believers who have different beliefs and can label each other as non practising, so the it would be based on difference of opinion.

 

[Kianig89]

Dehrria is the word for this

 

[Yossarian]

What's a Non-Practicing Muslim?

Why limit the question to muslims only?
Never heard of non-practicing Jews, non-practicing Catholics, non-practicing Sikhs .... ?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Islam as a religion requires belief +practice from its adherents. Those practices are outward practices such as namaz and salat but what is overlooked is the practices that relate to relations with fellow humans and that eloquent post from Jadz addresses just that.

 

[Saeed]

I would say that Muslims should learn about more about their religion. I have seen many Muslims in US who have been asked question about Islam and there answer is that I am a non practicing muslim may be because it is a easy way out.

 

[Justcrazy]

Why limit the question to muslims only?
Never heard of non-practicing Jews, non-practicing Catholics, non-practicing Sikhs .... ?

That is interesting point. Well made

 

[FreeBird]

Muslim wo hai Jo Allah ko maanta hai
Momin wo hai Jo Allah ki maanta hai.

It is as simple as that.

 

[LooneyReturns]

Generally it's this.


People who are attatched to Islam by culture but not by heart.



A muslim means a person who follows the five pillars of Islam. If you don't practice that how can you even call yourself muslim?

A non practicing muslim is like a non school going student. By definition it makes no sense but it's now a word for a certain type of people.

That would make me an almost non practicing Muslim , which scares me . At least I believe in the kalma e shahadat and give out zakat .

 

[yasir]

Who said Islam does not allow a follower to leave its faith ? There are many who left Islam.



Moreover faith is something that we cannot measure , there may be " Muslims " who are known to be pious in this world , but do not have " faith "

Not in Pakistan or places where Sharia is practiced... I don't think our society openly except people who leave Faith...Many religious people believe it's a crime worth capital punishment and they use references from Quran...

Pakistan is a country where blasphemy is a law, and you are talking about tolerance for people leaving Faith, come on??


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[FreeBird]

I'll

That would make me an almost non practicing Muslim , which scares me . At least I believe in the kalma e shahadat and give out zakat .

That's not bad. Just do a little more effort and keep reminding yourself with these three Hadeeth. And the closest meanings are,

1. The difference between a Muslim and a non-Muslim is salaat. (Notice, it's not Kalima, roza, Zakaat or Hajj)

2. ALL your good deeds will go in vain if they are not supported by salaat.

3. Salaat is the key to Haven.

So do just a little more effort and establish salaat. Start with Farz only and gradually move your way up. And what REALLY helps is to be in the company of those who pray salaat. You keep getting reminders which helps resisting the influence of Shaitaan who works 24/7 on us to keep us away from salaat. Sometimes you will be lazy and they will encourage you and maybe sometimes they will be forgetful and Allah will make you as means of reminding them that its salaat time.

Quran clearly records the dialogue between a group of people in haven who ask another group of people in hell as to what took you to hell?
And they will reply, "we did not use to pray salaat."

This passing time is of essence my friend. Don't be among those who on the day of judgement would wish to be sent back to world so that they could do a lot of praise of their lord (salaat) and do good deeds,,,,,, but it will be too late.

Inshallah I will pray for you and you also pray two nafal and pray for yourself that Allah makes salaat the very first priority of your life and for the life of all muslims. It's not too late yet.

 

[LooneyReturns]

That's not bad. Just do a little more effort and keep reminding yourself with these three Hadeeth. And the closest meanings are,

1. The difference between a Muslim and a non-Muslim is salaat. (Notice, it's not Kalima, roza, Zakaat or Hajj)

2. ALL your good deeds will go in vain if they are not supported by salaat.

3. Salaat is the key to Haven.

So do just a little more effort and establish salaat. Start with Farz only and gradually move your way up. And what REALLY helps is to be in the company of those who pray salaat. You keep getting reminders which helps resisting the influence of Shaitaan who works 24/7 on us to keep us away from salaat. Sometimes you will be lazy and they will encourage you and maybe sometimes they will be forgetful and Allah will make you as means of reminding them that its salaat time.

Quran clearly records the dialogue between a group of people in haven who ask another group of people in hell as to what took you to hell?
And they will reply, "we did not use to pray salaat."

This passing time is of essence my friend. Don't be among those who on the day of judgement would wish to be sent back to world so that they could do a lot praise of their lord (salaat) and do good deeds,,,,,, but it will be too late.

Inshallah I will pray for you and you also pray two nafal and pray for yourself that Allah makes salaat the very first priority of your life and for the life of all muslims. It's not late yet.

Shukria . I will inshallah try .

 

[Justcrazy]

Not in Pakistan or places where Sharia is practiced... I don't think our society openly except people who leave Faith...Many religious people believe it's a crime worth capital punishment and they use references from Quran...

Pakistan is a country where blasphemy is a law, and you are talking about tolerance for people leaving Faith, come on??


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That is problem of Muslims , Not of Islam.

 

[Yossarian]

Originally Posted by Javelin
Why limit the question to muslims only?
Never heard of non-practicing Jews, non-practicing Catholics, non-practicing Sikhs .... ?

That is interesting point. Well made

And of course, don't leave out non-practicing Atheists!

 

[Pakz]

And of course, don't leave out non-practicing Atheists!

how does that work?

I consider that as a sarcastic comment.

 

[Yossarian]

how does that work?

I consider that as a sarcastic comment.

Sarcastic, yes. At the thread title as if the concept was unique to muslims only.

On a serious note, I'm willing to bet that there are many Atheists who use phrases like 'Thank God!', 'Thank heaven!!', 'Jesus Christ!!', 'In the lap of the God's', 'God forbid' ..... or even 'God save America ...', and of course not forgetting the singing of the British National Anthem 'God Save the Queen'.

 

[yasir]

Sarcastic, yes. At the thread title as if the concept was unique to muslims only.

On a serious note, I'm willing to bet that there are many Atheists who use phrases like 'Thank God!', 'Thank heaven!!', 'Jesus Christ!!', 'In the lap of the God's', 'God forbid' ..... or even 'God save America ...', and of course not forgetting the singing of the British National Anthem 'God Save the Queen'.

I cannot imagine they would mean it… Its sort of a cultural slang, which comes out without much thought at times… Language slangs that are developed in thousands of years, are not going to go away in a century… Many people celebrate Christmas and Santa to make kids happy, as kids grow older, those things go away...

This is sort of same thing in US retail stores they, start greeting customers with "Happy Holidays" in Christmas season rather than "Mary Christmas"… Sometimes they guess customer's Faith and change the greeting...

BTW: On US dollar, "In God we Trust" phrase came from Republican back in 50s, as a defensive move against the rise of Seculars and Atheists...

 

[Yossarian]

I cannot imagine they would mean it… Its sort of a cultural slang, which comes out without much thought at times… Language slangs that are developed in thousands of years, are not going to go away in a century… Many people celebrate Christmas and Santa to make kids happy, as kids grow older, those things go away...

This is sort of same thing in US retail stores they, start greeting customers with "Happy Holidays" in Christmas season rather than "Mary Christmas"… Sometimes they guess customer's Faith and change the greeting...

BTW: On US dollar, "In God we Trust" phrase came from Republican back in 50s, as a defensive move against the rise of Seculars and Atheists...

The post was related to an earlier post where I said 'non-practicing Atheists' !