Which ICC title is the most valuable?

[saqib.rai]

Winning an ICC title is the dream of every cricketer who plays the game. And the dream of every cricket lover is to see his/her country lift an ICC title.

I was recently listening to a podcast where a former cricketer said that ODIs would never become redundant as winning the ODI World Cup is still seen as the grandest prize in cricket.

Which got me thinking: winning which ICC title is most valuable to us as Pakistan cricket team fans?

1) ODI World Cup
2) T20 World Cup
3) Champions Trophy
4) World Test Championship


For me, winning the World Test Championship would give most joy. What about you guys? Which ICC title do you value the most?

Let's discuss

 

[shah9425]

For me
Order of preference

1) ODI World Cup
2) World Test Championship
3) Champions Trophy
4) T20 World Cup

 

[gazza619]

ODI World Cup.

World Test Championship should be abolished. How can it be a world championship when two teams (India & Pakistan) don’t even play each other. Pointless.

 

[Falconslions]

1) ODI World Cup
2) T20 World Cup
3) Daylight....
4) World Test Championship even though still a very flawed concept.
5) Champions Trophy as it is pretty redundant nowadays.

 

[moghul]

ODI WC

 

[daytrader]

We have won an ODI WC, so at the moment I think most valuable for Pak would be a World Test Championship

 

[saqib.rai]

ODI World Cup.

World Test Championship should be abolished. How can it be a world championship when two teams (India & Pakistan) don’t even play each other. Pointless.

They can play if both reach the final. I think it's a pretty fair system, and the 2 best teams will always reach the final

 

[Cricket Warrior]

I think that due to time constraints many people find T20 cricket more interesting as it is shorter compared to watching a full ODI match.

 

[Barragan]

ODI's will be gone and Tests will only be played by the so called big 3.

T20 is the future and will be the most played format in the future.

Basically, T20 world cup is the most important, especially for the future.

 

[saqib.rai]

Tbh, I would put winning an away test series in Australia over the Champions Trophy. It's such a meaningless tournament. Only there because ICC needs to have a world event every year

 

[Rana]

World Test championship in this era

Toughest competition for sure

 

[Cricket Warrior]

World Test championship in this era

Toughest competition for sure

yes Indeed, but for new generation its getting so boring to watch all day long test match, that's the reason why T20 cricket is getting more popular.

 

[U$ofA]

ODI World Cup.

World Test Championship should be abolished. How can it be a world championship when two teams (India & Pakistan) don’t even play each other. Pointless.

There have been ODI WC where teams have not played each other.

 

[Suleiman]

World test championship means relatively nothing despite tests being widely considered as the most important format even today.

It’s because there’s no pedigree there. It’s a recent innovation. Also a one off test in a random venue to decide who’s champion and who’s runner up looool what a joke… it should be a proper series.

It’s still ODI WC.

 

[U$ofA]

ODI's will be gone and Tests will only be played by the so called big 3.

T20 is the future and will be the most played format in the future.

Basically, T20 world cup is the most important, especially for the future.

Yes, ODI's seem to be of lower interest. Even in India, judging by the sparse crowd at the Ind-Aus ODI. It is pretty much already dead in Aus. I think this WC could be the turning point.

Tests are still holding up a bit in Big 1 (Ind.), thriving in Secondary 2 (Aus, Eng). On it's death bed in the middle 3 (NZ, SA, Pak.) and completely dead in the bottom 4 (SL, BD, WI, Zim).

Franchise T20 is the future and the present for that matter.

 

[saqib.rai]

Yes, ODI's seem to be of lower interest. Even in India, judging by the sparse crowd at the Ind-Aus ODI. It is pretty much already dead in Aus. I think this WC could be the turning point.

Tests are still holding up a bit in Big 1 (Ind.), thriving in Secondary 2 (Aus, Eng). On it's death bed in the middle 3 (NZ, SA, Pak.) and completely dead in the bottom 4 (SL, BD, WI, Zim).

Franchise T20 is the future and the present for that matter.

The crowd in the South Africa - Australia series was really good. The last couple of matches were sold out

If India is not going to play their big boys in the first ODI match against Australia, then don't except the crowd to turn up

Plus people in Punjab are generally not happy with Mohali not being a World Cup venue. So maybe they didn't turn up as a sign of protest

 

[Firebat]

ODI WC is the most valuable simply due to history. Ask anyone who's the reigning world champion, they'll immediately reply England (and not thinking of their T20 WC win), not Australia.

However of course the WTC is the toughest to win.

 

[moghul]

T20 surge will not last for ever , ODI will make a comeback , as this format tests the true strength and weakness of a team and more than likely the better team of the day wins. Unlike T20 which is basically depends a lot on teams luck on a given day.

 

[sweep_shot]

ODI World Cup easily. It has been around since 1975.

 

[saqib.rai]

T20 surge will not last for ever , ODI will make a comeback , as this format tests the true strength and weakness of a team and more than likely the better team of the day wins. Unlike T20 which is basically depends a lot on teams luck on a given day.

If football was played over 5 days with a 90 minute game everyday, people like you would say any team can win on a particular day, what matters is winning over 5 days. And 5 day football matches would remain a norm

Please do not discard t20 like that. If winning a t20 match doesn't require skill, how come no associate nation has been able to win a t20 world cup

 

[hitthestump]

ODI World Cup cements your place in history because of the names that have preceeded you in that feat. Hands down most important.

CT's has props for being the 'elite' tournament, but doesn't prompt the same memory recall as World Cups.

The feeling of being t20 champion fades quickly due to the biannual cycle.

The test championship lol. The fixture lists are bad enough. When you get to the finals it may as well constitute a coin toss for all the meaning a one off test has. That's the kind of trophy that isn't quite embarassing to win but it also doesn't mean anything.

In conclusion:

1) ODI world cup (champions league)
2) Champions Trophy (Premier League)
3) T20 World Cup (FA Cup)
4) Test Championship (Community Shield)

 

[hitthestump]

T20 surge will not last for ever , ODI will make a comeback , as this format tests the true strength and weakness of a team and more than likely the better team of the day wins. Unlike T20 which is basically depends a lot on teams luck on a given day.

The ICC better make some adjustments then because far too many ODI's have been glorified t20's.

Bring back the old rules and make it so chasing 250 is challenging again and then i'll agree with you.

 

[ArabKnight]

1 - World Cup
2 - World T20
3 - Champions Trophy
4 - U19 World Cup
5 - U19 World T20
6 - Women’s World Cup
7 - Women’s World T20
8 - U19 Women’s World Cup
9 - U19 Women’s World T20
10 - Test Championship

 

[saqib.rai]

1 - World Cup
2 - World T20
3 - Champions Trophy
4 - U19 World Cup
5 - U19 World T20
6 - Women’s World Cup
7 - Women’s World T20
8 - U19 Women’s World Cup
9 - U19 Women’s World T20
10 - Test Championship

Why though? Why dont you consider the Test Championship a worthy tournament?

 

[ArabKnight]

Why though? Why dont you consider the Test Championship a worthy tournament?

Ramiz Raja ruined our pitches. India doesn’t want to play us, like someone mentioned. It’s a rigged format.

 

[saqib.rai]

Ramiz Raja ruined our pitches. India doesn’t want to play us, like someone mentioned. It’s a rigged format.

Rigged is too heavy a word.

Each team gets to play different amount of matches- but all matches have equal points. At the end, the top 2 teams with the highest percentage qualify for the final.

All teams cannot play the same amount of matches as the Ashes is 5 matches long. Good luck watching a 5 match test series between Bangladesh and West Indies.

Nothing wrong with the format. Its totally fair.

 

[jnaveen1980]

WTC was created to make the Tests more competitive. Nothing more. But problem is only if teams are good they can do well. Just because you have a championships that spans over 2 years they are not going to suddenly get better.

 

[hitthestump]

All teams cannot play the same amount of matches as the Ashes is 5 matches long. Good luck watching a 5 match test series between Bangladesh and West Indies.

Nothing wrong with the format. Its totally fair.

Yeah seems totally fair to compare a 5 match series to a 2 match series lol

 

[sam_ahm]

ODI WC is undoubtedly the biggest prize, however, I think T20 WC is becoming more entertaining to watch, not least because it actually looks like a WC since it is more inclusive. A lot of associate and lower ranked nations (and now nay be even WI) may start to prefer T20 WC.

I've never liked the concept of a 10 team WC, most of us have seen how exciting it is to see lower ranked nations play and cause those upsets in a WC, it makes for exciting viewing. I know we are going back to 14 teams for the next 2 editions but the damage has been done.

WTC is a flawed concept, selective series', no promotion or relegation, and no equal number of games across series', makes it a confusing competition. To add to that deducting huge number of points for slow over rates has literally killed the WTC... Just for context WI got more % points in their 0-1 loss to India than ENG got in their 2-2 Ashes series! I mean is that even remotely logical?

 

[Falconslions]

WTC is a joke. Its just there to make test cricket a little more relevant, that is its only purpose

 

[saqib.rai]

Yeah seems totally fair to compare a 5 match series to a 2 match series lol

not everyone can play the same amount of matches. That is why percentage is used

 

[saqib.rai]

ODI WC is undoubtedly the biggest prize, however, I think T20 WC is becoming more entertaining to watch, not least because it actually looks like a WC since it is more inclusive. A lot of associate and lower ranked nations (and now nay be even WI) may start to prefer T20 WC.

I've never liked the concept of a 10 team WC, most of us have seen how exciting it is to see lower ranked nations play and cause those upsets in a WC, it makes for exciting viewing. I know we are going back to 14 teams for the next 2 editions but the damage has been done.

WTC is a flawed concept, selective series', no promotion or relegation, and no equal number of games across series', makes it a confusing competition. To add to that deducting huge number of points for slow over rates has literally killed the WTC... Just for context WI got more % points in their 0-1 loss to India than ENG got in their 2-2 Ashes series! I mean is that even remotely logical?

West Indies got 4/24 = 16.67%
England got 28/60 = 46.67%

Please do not confuse people here.

Many fans like myself and the ICC feel slow over rates are killing cricket. That is why England were deducted points.

 

[Falconslions]

not everyone can play the same amount of matches. That is why percentage is used

Each series should be worth the same. Right now that is not the case so its totally unfair and uneven points system.

For example teams can organise more number of tests in series vs weaker teams and just 2 match series against the big teams in order to maximise their points and percentage.

Thats why each series should be worth exactly the same regardless of number of tests. There are a number of other flaws as well.

 

[Falconslions]

West Indies got 4/24 = 16.67%
England got 28/60 = 46.67%

Please do not confuse people here.

Many fans like myself and the ICC feel slow over rates are killing cricket. That is why England were deducted points.

Let's give you a better example why this system is absolutely a joke.

Scenario 1-
Say Pakistan has 5 tests vs Australia and 5 Tests vs England and 2 tests vs Bangladesh and 2 tests vs Sri Lanka.

Say pakistan loses both series against Aus and Eng 5-0 and wins both the other series against SL and Bangladesh 2-0.

This would give them 4/14 = 28.57%


Scenario 2-
Suppose the series against Aus and Eng is 2 matches each, but series against SL and Bangladesh is 3 matches each.

And suppose Pakistan lose 2-0 against both Aus and Eng and wins 3-0 against both SL and Ban.

This would give them 6/10 = 60%

Series Result in both scenarios is same, all are clean sweeps! but the difference is in the number of matches vs bigger teams and number of matches vs smaller teams.

This is giving you a drastic difference of 28.57% vs 60%

 

[saqib.rai]

Let's give you a better example why this system is absolutely a joke.

Scenario 1-
Say Pakistan has 5 tests vs Australia and 5 Tests vs England and 2 tests vs Bangladesh and 2 tests vs Sri Lanka.

Say pakistan loses both series against Aus and Eng 5-0 and wins both the other series against SL and Bangladesh 2-0.

This would give them 4/14 = 28.57%


Scenario 2-
Suppose the series against Aus and Eng is 2 matches each, but series against SL and Bangladesh is 3 matches each.

And suppose Pakistan lose 2-0 against both Aus and Eng and wins 3-0 against both SL and Ban.

This would give them 6/10 = 60%

Series Result in both scenarios is same, all are clean sweeps! but the difference is in the number of matches vs bigger teams and number of matches vs smaller teams.

This is giving you a drastic difference of 28.57% vs 60%

If all series are allocated equal points as first proposed by the ICC as well

then if Pakistan is playing a 2 match series against Bangladesh and a 5 match series against Australia

The importance of the matches against Bangladesh will be 2.5x more. Which is not fair to the Pakistan-Australia series

 

[saqib.rai]

Let's give you a better example why this system is absolutely a joke.

Scenario 1-
Say Pakistan has 5 tests vs Australia and 5 Tests vs England and 2 tests vs Bangladesh and 2 tests vs Sri Lanka.

Say pakistan loses both series against Aus and Eng 5-0 and wins both the other series against SL and Bangladesh 2-0.

This would give them 4/14 = 28.57%


Scenario 2-
Suppose the series against Aus and Eng is 2 matches each, but series against SL and Bangladesh is 3 matches each.

And suppose Pakistan lose 2-0 against both Aus and Eng and wins 3-0 against both SL and Ban.

This would give them 6/10 = 60%

Series Result in both scenarios is same, all are clean sweeps! but the difference is in the number of matches vs bigger teams and number of matches vs smaller teams.

This is giving you a drastic difference of 28.57% vs 60%

Look at the whole thing in terms of matches and not series. Every match is equally important

So in this cycle Pakistan have played 2/14 till now. With 12 more matches to play.

With all 14 matches having equal weightage

 

[saqib.rai]

Each series should be worth the same. Right now that is not the case so its totally unfair and uneven points system.

For example teams can organise more number of tests in series vs weaker teams and just 2 match series against the big teams in order to maximise their points and percentage.

Thats why each series should be worth exactly the same regardless of number of tests. There are a number of other flaws as well.

But are teams doing that?

We are playing 2 match series against all teams except England and Australia (stronger teams) in this cycle

We played 2 match series against all teams except England and Australia (stronger teams) in the last cycle as well

 

[mominsaigol]

Champions trophy is literally bootleg world cup at this point lol.

 

[deltexas]

1 - ODI World Cup
2 - T20 World T20
3 - Champions Trophy
4 - ODI Women’s World Cup
5 - T20 Women’s World T20
6 - Test Championship
7 - U19 ODI World Cup
8 - U19 T20 World T20
9 - U19 ODI Women’s World Cup
10 - U19 ODi Women’s World T20

 

[sam_ahm]

West Indies got 4/24 = 16.67%
England got 28/60 = 46.67%

Please do not confuse people here.

Many fans like myself and the ICC feel slow over rates are killing cricket. That is why England were deducted points.

England got 9/60. You are the one getting confused and this itself shows how flawed this system is.

They lost 19 points for slow over rate, when 4 of the 5 tests ended in results and one of them didn't only because of rain. Help a new cricket follower find logic with that!

 

[saqib.rai]

England got 9/60. You are the one getting confused and this itself shows how flawed this system is.

They lost 19 points for slow over rate, when 4 of the 5 tests ended in results and one of them didn't only because of rain. Help a new cricket follower find logic with that!

Add 9 to 19 and you will get 28/60. I wont get confused by simple maths unlike some people.

Over-rates doesn't take into account whether the match ended in a result or not and rightly so. There are people who paid hundreds of pounds to watch 90 overs but got to see even less than 80 overs because England were busy wasting time.

And don't worry, a new cricketer follower would not waste time on test cricket. Unlike us who have been taught into liking it and now cant let go.

 

[sam_ahm]

Add 9 to 19 and you will get 28/60. I wont get confused by simple maths unlike some people.

Over-rates doesn't take into account whether the match ended in a result or not and rightly so. There are people who paid hundreds of pounds to watch 90 overs but got to see even less than 80 overs because England were busy wasting time.

And don't worry, a new cricketer follower would not waste time on test cricket. Unlike us who have been taught into liking it and now cant let go.

If you are trying to tell me that WTC final should not be played between two best teams just because of some over rate crap then I can't argue much but the importance of such a competition will never be high. As I said WI stand higher in points table after their 0-1 loss to India at home but Eng are below even after a 2-2 drawn series against Aus , which was one of the best series we've seen in recent times. It may be fine for you but I'm afraid it won't be for others.

Fans would much rather see 80 overs of high quality, competitive Ashes series 2023 rather than 90 overs of some dead boring stuff.

 

[Mesozoic]

ODI world Cup is still the biggest prize in this sport. It has almost half a century of history, legendary narratives and unforgettable moments throughout... The only reason why ODIs haven't yet died a slow painful death is the existence of this tournament every 4 years..

Second best is just a matter of personal preference. For me, it's the World Test Championship as Test cricket is the most prestigious format and it rewards the hardwork that was put in for the two whole previous years. You can fluke a Champions Trophy or a T20 world cup, but If you win the WTC , it's only because you have played exceptional cricket for hundreds of days..

 

[saqib.rai]

If you are trying to tell me that WTC final should not be played between two best teams just because of some over rate crap then I can't argue much but the importance of such a competition will never be high. As I said WI stand higher in points table after their 0-1 loss to India at home but Eng are below even after a 2-2 drawn series against Aus , which was one of the best series we've seen in recent times. It may be fine for you but I'm afraid it won't be for others.

Fans would much rather see 80 overs of high quality, competitive Ashes series 2023 rather than 90 overs of some dead boring stuff.

Makes sense. From the next cycle, maybe the ICC can amend the rules and say if a match produces a result, then there will be no point deduction for both the sides

This is a small thing that can be tweaked