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Which side will win the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 iconic clash between Pakistan and India on February 23 in Dubai?

Which side will win the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 clash between India and Pakistan on February 23?

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Pakistan is the only team capable of chasing 350 + in ODIs currently.

Best chasing team in ODI cricket. Rizwan probably the best chaser as well.
 
Devadwal said:
Yes bro your team is World beater now .just a mere formalities left to win the trophy .

:kp
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Stick around till 23rd Feb. Don't forget to quote me after the match. This is a very different Pakistan side under Rizwan - fearless and brave as a testament to the origins of our Kaptana. India have an under performing captain who scored one 100 against a teletubby attack after failing for months and Indian fans have found their voice.


Imagine this - Pak chased 350 with Babar and Fakhar both failing. Imagine what happens when they fire? There is no Bhumrah either now. This won't be very close, I am confident about that. India will underestimate us like their fans and are in for a rude awakening. Don't forget, CT is Pakistan's pet tournament, we almost always dominate India in CT.
 
For the first time in a long time there isn't a massive gulf between the two sides in an ODI match. Both teams have good momentum. India have some major cracks that can be exploited if Pakistan handle the pressure of the occasion and don't lose sight of what they have been doing well.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
For the first time in a long time there isn't a massive gulf between the two sides in an ODI match. Both teams have good momentum. India have some major cracks that can be exploited if Pakistan handle the pressure of the occasion and don't lose sight of what they have been doing well.
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Bro pak is playing well in odis but do they need to get worried of kuldeep or pak just need to play him like they played shamsi and maharaj?
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
For the first time in a long time there isn't a massive gulf between the two sides in an ODI match. Both teams have good momentum. India have some major cracks that can be exploited if Pakistan handle the pressure of the occasion and don't lose sight of what they have been doing well.
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Bowling and fielding is the difference. Pakistan's bowling + fielding is rubbish.

India is weak without bumrah as well but they can defend scores and aren't completly toothless like husnain is overall, how naseem is on current form and how shaheen is at the death.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Bro pak is playing well in odis but do they need to get worried of kuldeep or pak just need to play him like they played shamsi and maharaj?
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Kuldeep is one of the best white-ball spinners in the world who has caused problems for guys like Babar and Fakhar in the past. They should have proper plans inplace regarding how they will approach him. He's much more skillful than overrated Shamsi. The same applies for whoever India's other spinners will be out of Axar, Jadeja and Chakravarty.
 
mominsaigol said:
Bowling and fielding is the difference. Pakistan's bowling + fielding is rubbish.

India is weak without bumrah as well but they can defend scores and aren't completly toothless like husnain is overall, how naseem is on current form and how shaheen is at the death.
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Pakistan's pace attack (Shaheen, Naseem, Haris) is world-class. People are reading too much into their performances on flat wickets. Certain aspects need to be worked on, but overall they have been good over past few months. However if you take even one of them out, the balance will not be there anymore. Also think that in the CT, the wickets will be slightly less flat with a little bit more for the bowlers.

Fielding is the biggest issue. You are never quite sure how that will turn out.
 
Pakistan got decimated twice in Dubai by a peak-Kohli less India in 2018.

Now imagine if they lose to an Indian team here without peak Bumrah.

Will just cement that fact that Pakistan are nowhere near the levels that they should be (if it hasn't been already).
 
Mesozoic said:
Pakistan got decimated twice in Dubai by a peak-Kohli less India in 2018.

Now imagine if they lose to an Indian team here without peak Bumrah.

Will just cement that fact that Pakistan are nowhere near the levels that they should be (if it hasn't been already).
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That was a different Pakistan with busted flushes like Shoaib Malik playing.

This Pakistan which has beaten Australia in Australia and South Africa in South Africa are going to streamroller us no question.

For starters, they are playing in their quasi home ground Dubai where they have relatively recent memories of beating us 0-down. Then this is the Champions Trophy where they have always had the wood over us. Add in all the drama over the hosting and them needing to come to Dubai to play us.

We are ripe for the taking.
 
Mesozoic said:
Pakistan got decimated twice in Dubai by a peak-Kohli less India in 2018.

Now imagine if they lose to an Indian team here without peak Bumrah.

Will just cement that fact that Pakistan are nowhere near the levels that they should be (if it hasn't been already).
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Our pace bowling is garbage and pakistan players are play spin very well .

Fakhar will destroy our bowling .

:kp
 
So what I got from this thread is that both the set of fans are trying to jinx each other like no tomorrow and it's futile to expect genuine predictions now.

Bottom line is that, India are a far superior outfit than Pakistan (even without Bumrah) currently and should emerge as the winner of this game unless we implode and punch far far below our potential.
 
jamie smith said:
Indias D team will also smash pak to all corners.
We are like zimbabwe to them.
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India has 2 oldies in Rohit and Kohli who have a combined age of close to 80. As Nasser famously said, they can't play Shaheen. Shaheen and Naseem will run riot. These oldies don't have the reflexes to play pure pace. India had a hold against us because of guys like MSD, Yuvraaj and at times Sachin. Now they have KL and Gill LOL
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
India has 2 oldies in Rohit and Kohli who have a combined age of close to 80. As Nasser famously said, they can't play Shaheen. Shaheen and Naseem will run riot. These oldies don't have the reflexes to play pure pace. India had a hold against us because of guys like MSD, Yuvraaj and at times Sachin. Now they have KL and Gill LOL
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Joke of the century.
shaheen and naseem have become trundlers and will get tonked for over 80 on Sunday.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
India has 2 oldies in Rohit and Kohli who have a combined age of close to 80. As Nasser famously said, they can't play Shaheen. Shaheen and Naseem will run riot. These oldies don't have the reflexes to play pure pace. India had a hold against us because of guys like MSD, Yuvraaj and at times Sachin. Now they have KL and Gill LOL
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Always remember 16 off 26 and 30 off 44,u blind rizwan
:shh
 
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RizwanT20Champ said:
Stick around till 23rd Feb. Don't forget to quote me after the match. This is a very different Pakistan side under Rizwan - fearless and brave as a testament to the origins of our Kaptana. India have an under performing captain who scored one 100 against a teletubby attack after failing for months and Indian fans have found their voice.


Imagine this - Pak chased 350 with Babar and Fakhar both failing. Imagine what happens when they fire? There is no Bhumrah either now. This won't be very close, I am confident about that. India will underestimate us like their fans and are in for a rude awakening. Don't forget, CT is Pakistan's pet tournament, we almost always dominate India in CT.
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"Pet tournament".

That's why India has twice as many CTs as Pakistan?
 
Devadwal said:
Our pace bowling is garbage and pakistan players are play spin very well .

Fakhar will destroy our bowling .

:kp
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I would say inexperienced. Arshdeep has total of 9 ODI experience. Harshit Rana just 3 matches under his belt. 3rd seamer is Pandya. Shami is the only exception. But i am not sure he will be fit enough for ODIs.
 
This is probably the first time in a while they meet each other as higher ranked sides. India no.1 Pakistan no.2 (after last match)


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The Bald Eagle said:
We don't have proper spinners, we are over reliant on part timers.
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Indians are scared of pure pace. They are good against 120-130 kmph trundlers, they will face pure heat from Shaheen and Naseem. Abrar should also work his magic against India, current lot is a joke against spin.
 
oh I forgot maybe archer,wood,carse,atkinson are spinners.
RizwanT20Champ said:
Indians are scared of pure pace. They are good against 120-130 kmph trundlers, they will face pure heat from Shaheen and Naseem. Abrar should also work his magic against India, current lot is a joke against spin.
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RizwanT20Champ said:
Indians are scared of pure pace. They are good against 120-130 kmph trundlers, they will face pure heat from Shaheen and Naseem. Abrar should also work his magic against India, current lot is a joke against spin.
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Engish pacers are atleast 15kmph quicker than paks and still got tonked.Lmao
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Indians are scared of pure pace. They are good against 120-130 kmph trundlers, they will face pure heat from Shaheen and Naseem. Abrar should also work his magic against India, current lot is a joke against spin.
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Yes bhai we are really scared of pakistan Pace attack. They are faster than Wood & Archer etc

I Hope we can avoid a heavy defeat likes 228 runs or 7-8 wickets

:kp
 
He is clueless tbh and does not know about cricket outside of Rizwan newton.
:zardari2
Devadwal said:
Yes bhai we are really scared of pakistan Pace attack. They are faster than Wood & Archer etc

I Hope we can avoid a heavy defeat likes 228 runs or 7-8 wickets

:kp
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Probably on paper the closest these teams have been since 2003 WC.

Since then last 2 decades India dominated. Good chance for Pakistan but just got a feeling we will mess up badly somewhere or one Indian will have a magic day someone like Harshit, Gill or if course Kohli.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Indians are scared of pure pace. They are good against 120-130 kmph trundlers, they will face pure heat from Shaheen and Naseem. Abrar should also work his magic against India, current lot is a joke against spin.
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Stop this please, the wickets in Dubai isn't WACA and Pakistan bowlers aren't world beaters. In 2023 Shaheen, Naseem and Haris came into Asia cup as best ODI combination in the world and got tonked for 356/2. Indian batters have no issues with pace, they struggle against seam/swing which is a problem for all batters around the world. If the pitch has anything for the pacers, I would say that the "Indian trundlers" will use it better than Pakistan with or without Bumrah.
 
giri26 said:
Stop this please, the wickets in Dubai isn't WACA and Pakistan bowlers aren't world beaters. In 2023 Shaheen, Naseem and Haris came into Asia cup as best ODI combination in the world and got tonked for 356/2. Indian batters have no issues with pace, they struggle against seam/swing which is a problem for all batters around the world. If the pitch has anything for the pacers, I would say that the "Indian trundlers" will use it better than Pakistan with or without Bumrah.
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Doesn't need to be WACA. 2023 you conveniently forget the rained off match where Shaheen and co got your batting to their knees. The other useless match was played over 2 days lol. Kohli and Rohit are almost 40. Did you see how bad they were in Aus?
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Doesn't need to be WACA. 2023 you conveniently forget the rained off match where Shaheen and co got your batting to their knees. The other useless match was played over 2 days lol. Kohli and Rohit are almost 40. Did you see how bad they were in Aus?
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No one brought anyone to knees. India started bad but still ended up scoring 266. Considering how bad Pakistan batted in that Asia cup, there was no guarantee that they were going to win that game. I don't consider conceding 266 as bringing a team to their knees but getting bowled out for 128 chasing 356 is.
 
I fear India might score 350+ again if they bat first. their batting power is the key for them.
 
BouncerGuy said:
I fear India might score 350+ again if they bat first. their batting power is the key for them.
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Dubai pitch will be not flat like pitches in pakistan.

Chasing team will get advantage in The champion trophy due to dew effect .

:kp
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Doesn't need to be WACA. 2023 you conveniently forget the rained off match where Shaheen and co got your batting to their knees. The other useless match was played over 2 days lol. Kohli and Rohit are almost 40. Did you see how bad they were in Aus?
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India scored 266 that match.

Pakistan would prolly have a 50 all out scenario on that pitch. Rain saved their humiliation for a few days later.

Same guys also got tonked in the World Cup a month later lol.

World of difference between Aus attack and Pak's pop gun attack.

Thing is Naseem, Shaheen, Rauf have won nothing in their careers - not even an Asia Cup.

Shami is better than all three as is Arshdeep.
 
saimayubera said:
India scored 266 that match.

Pakistan would prolly have a 50 all out scenario on that pitch. Rain saved their humiliation for a few days later.

Same guys also got tonked in the World Cup a month later lol.

World of difference between Aus attack and Pak's pop gun attack.

Thing is Naseem, Shaheen, Rauf have won nothing in their careers - not even an Asia Cup.

Shami is better than all three as is Arshdeep.
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Basak, Kohli averages like a tailender in the last 5 years in tests. In ODIs in the same period he has had zero impact post 2019 and India have not won anything meaningful. You are in for a rude awakening on 23rd.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Basak, Kohli averages like a tailender in the last 5 years in tests. In ODIs in the same period he has had zero impact post 2019 and India have not won anything meaningful. You are in for a rude awakening on 23rd.
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Are we playing test cricket?

He was the MoT in the last ODI WC and was MoM in the AC 23 game between Ind and Pak.

Besides, what even is your name?

What the hell is Rizwan T20 champ of? Didn't win a single T20 WC or AC lol.
 
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saimayubera said:
Are we playing test cricket?

He was the MoT in the last ODI WC and was MoM in the AC 23 game between Ind and Pak.

Besides, what even is your name?

What the hell is Rizwan T20 champ of? Didn't win a single T20 WC or AC lol.
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23rd ko dekheingey :inti
 
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If NZ beat PAK for a 3rd time, PAK will be demoralised before they face us. Hopefully, we would have thrashed BD good and proper by then
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Indians are scared of pure pace. They are good against 120-130 kmph trundlers, they will face pure heat from Shaheen and Naseem. Abrar should also work his magic against India, current lot is a joke against spin.
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No, I believe they are more scared of dibbly dobly swing bowlers. I still remember how they couldnt chase a modest total of 240 against Matt Henry, CDG, Jimmy Neesham in 2019 WC.
 
Pakistan is in a spot of bother atm. They lost to kiwis 2 time in few days and now they have to face them again in the CT opener and next they have a huge challenge of India coming up. Things are gonna get hard if they lose against Kiwis again.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Pakistan is in a spot of bother atm. They lost to kiwis 2 time in few days and now they have to face them again in the CT opener and next they have a huge challenge of India coming up. Things are gonna get hard if they lose against Kiwis again.
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It was just a short warm up series.
 
Hitman said:
It was just a short warm up series.
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Clearly the problems are there. Pakistan cannot be going into the India game and expect India to make mistakes but they themselves are not gonna improve. This is not gonna work
 
Jinx reverse jinx all that asise - Ind is huge fave here. Even with washed up seniors - rohit even with his recent 100, kohli klrahul mental midget and jadeja.. that should say something about pak team.. of course pak can still win - it's a game of cricket but it will be a massive massive upset..
 
In the latest episode of the PCB Podcast, Salman Ali Agha:

“If we beat India but don’t win the tournament, that win holds no value. However, if we lose to India but lift the trophy, that’s a bigger achievement. Our goal is to perform well and win.”
 
FearlessRoar said:
In the latest episode of the PCB Podcast, Salman Ali Agha:

“If we beat India but don’t win the tournament, that win holds no value. However, if we lose to India but lift the trophy, that’s a bigger achievement. Our goal is to perform well and win.”
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Now this is the mentality that has been missing in Pakistani players of the yesteryears.

Kudos to Salman Agha...he's quickly becoming one of my favourite Pakistani players in the recent years. Seems like a decent & mature chap with the right temperament and most importantly is skilled in all departments. Would have been a much better captaincy candidate than Rizwan.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
India has 2 oldies in Rohit and Kohli who have a combined age of close to 80. As Nasser famously said, they can't play Shaheen. Shaheen and Naseem will run riot. These oldies don't have the reflexes to play pure pace. India had a hold against us because of guys like MSD, Yuvraaj and at times Sachin. Now they have KL and Gill LOL
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Which pace?
I am sure the so called oldies can handle 135Ks pies.

Pak batting is nothing bar FZ and maybe the new guy Tahir can score a few, the rest is garbage.
Bowling is timid and has no impact at all.

India just need 1 bat (Sharmsa,Gill or Kohl) to bat deep and rest will follow.
Forget pace, Pak batters will struggle big time vs spin.

another humiliation awaits us.
 
Mesozoic said:
Now this is the mentality that has been missing in Pakistani players of the yesteryears.

Kudos to Salman Agha...he's quickly becoming one of my favourite Pakistani players in the recent years. Seems like a decent & mature chap with the right temperament and most importantly is skilled in all departments. Would have been a much better captaincy candidate than Rizwan.
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But I feel like this is just an excuse to cover up the loss against India. In fact we all know that Pakistan won’t beat India nor will they win the tournament.
 
Waqar Younis, while speaking to a local Indian media outlet:

"It is always going to be big. We all know how important this clash is. The entire world is anxiously waiting for the big day when the two teams face each other after a long time."

"In fact, we are all eagerly waiting. We will once again witness a fantastic game of cricket on March 23. It is going to be a full house. We can't wait."
 
FearlessRoar said:
But I feel like this is just an excuse to cover up the loss against India. In fact we all know that Pakistan won’t beat India nor will they win the tournament.
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Well result is not exactly in their hands.

But having the right mentality and approach definitely is..
 
FearlessRoar said:
In the latest episode of the PCB Podcast, Salman Ali Agha:

“If we beat India but don’t win the tournament, that win holds no value. However, if we lose to India but lift the trophy, that’s a bigger achievement. Our goal is to perform well and win.”
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At least thats one Pak player who got his priorities right and seen bigger pic....in recent times SAA has performed really well for pak in test and white ball, and improved his fielding by heaps -some wonderful catches he's taken....

but back to the same topic, i doubt if in cricketing history of any ICC tournament has any elected head of state referred to asking his team to beat a particualar opponent which is just one amongst several others their team faces....
like PM Sharif has done, i mean i understand his job is to gee up the boyz...but that speech (a pak mate of mine sent it to m, it was hilarous -no offense - but... :djb )....have seen such singling out of specific opponents in Soccer - Eg -Argentina vs Eng with their Falkland isllands issue or japan- korea or Germany -holland or El Salvador vs honduras - but never in cricket...hmm....all it does is add more masala to the match on sunday!
 
Basit Ali speaking on his YouTube channel:

"(Coach) Aaqib (Javed) has a good thought process, but the people with him are this (signaling zero with his hands)"

"You should know how to make runs on pitches like this one (Karachi). You should know how to tackle the bowler, but they couldn't do it. Use your brain,"

“Babar Azam (29), Mohammad Rizwan (46), Salman Agha (45) and Tayyab Tahir (38) got starts but couldn't pace their innings after that, which could have helped Pakistan post a big total."

“Let New Zealand play India, you will see (the difference). (Mitchell) Santner was giving a loopy flight because he knew the Pakistan batters won't step out to hit. Let him give that much flight to the ball against (Shubman) Gill, Rohit (Sharma), Virat (Kohli), (Shreyas) Iyer, (KL) Rahul or (Hardik) Pandya. The ball will be deposited on the third tier in the stands."

“The way India thrashed England...they divided 50 overs into two parts -- 30 overs and 20 overs. Iyer scores 78 in 64 balls but gets his eye in first. Players who play straight (in the V) with patience and don't lose their concentration, those players will score a lot on this Champions Trophy....the way (Shubman) Gill is playing. I told you he has changed his style, that is called adapting (to the pitch and situation)."

"Batting first and chasing are two different things. You can see Fakhar performed well both the times Pakistan batted second because he had the target in front of him. That's not the case if you bat first. He should play out the first 15-20 overs when batting first. He is a game-changer. If you like cover drives, straight drives or pull shots, and if you hit two boundaries and get out, then it will hurt the team."

"When the Indian spinners come on to bowl, their approach is to take wickets by stopping the flow of runs. For that, they bowl good overs (to create pressure) instead of trying to get a wicket every ball. Our (Pakistan) spinners want a wicket every ball. That's the difference,"
 
Navjot Singh Sidhu, while speaking on a cricket show:

"You ask about Dubai, let me tell you, these are different conditions altogether. In the last 24 ODIs in Dubai, nobody has crossed 300. If your side is strong, add 40 more runs. 203 was the average score. If you look at the last two years, this is not a wicket where you can just go and smash. Mark my words, whoever wins the toss here will say with closed eyes – I want to field first, I will chase. Fourteen times, the side bowling first has won out of 20-odd matches."

"Never has a team in history played with five spinners. The reason is in the Champions Trophy, there are no second chances. New Zealand has three left-handers – Devon Conway is a left-hander, Rachin Ravindra is a left-hander, and Tom Latham is a left-hander. They will say – bring in an off-spinner! This tradition is from Roger Binny’s time – Madan Lal, Roger Binny, 1983; no one gave us a chance, but two all-rounders won us those matches, right? Dubai is not Sharjah. These are completely different conditions. Here, tactics are the most important thing. If you take the tactics out of the spot, the whole thing falls flat on its face."
 
India is looking well balanced while Pakistan is still trying to make winning combination.. so my easy pick would be India!
 
Harbhajan Singh, while speaking on his YouTube channel:

“India and Pakistan. You heard it right-this is an overhyped match between India and Pakistan. Because there is nothing in it.”

“Look at their main batters. Their star batter is Babar Azam. His average against India is 31. If you are a top batter, you have to average around 50. Then, there is Rizwan. I like him as a player. He plays freely. But his average against India is 25. Fakhar Zaman, their only full-time opener, has an average of 46. It’s a good average. Fakhar can take the game away from India.”

“Faheem Ashraf averages 12.5! I don’t think he will be a big threat. Saud Shakeel has an average of 8 against India."

“Looking at their batting line-up, I don’t get the confidence that this team will even fight.”

“Recently, India hammered England at home. On the other hand, Pakistan lost to New Zealand in a tri-series at home."

“Keep in mind, New Zealand will play the first match against Pakistan. I think New Zealand will hammer Pakistan once again. Because, New Zealand seem to have understood the conditions and tactics."

“India are way ahead at this stage. I think it will be a one-sided game. It’s an overhyped contest. Yes, the tickets have been prized high. But, I don’t think we will get a lot of fun watching this one-sided match.”
 
FearlessRoar said:
Harbhajan Singh, while speaking on his YouTube channel:

“India and Pakistan. You heard it right-this is an overhyped match between India and Pakistan. Because there is nothing in it.”

“Look at their main batters. Their star batter is Babar Azam. His average against India is 31. If you are a top batter, you have to average around 50. Then, there is Rizwan. I like him as a player. He plays freely. But his average against India is 25. Fakhar Zaman, their only full-time opener, has an average of 46. It’s a good average. Fakhar can take the game away from India.”

“Faheem Ashraf averages 12.5! I don’t think he will be a big threat. Saud Shakeel has an average of 8 against India."

“Looking at their batting line-up, I don’t get the confidence that this team will even fight.”

“Recently, India hammered England at home. On the other hand, Pakistan lost to New Zealand in a tri-series at home."

“Keep in mind, New Zealand will play the first match against Pakistan. I think New Zealand will hammer Pakistan once again. Because, New Zealand seem to have understood the conditions and tactics."

“India are way ahead at this stage. I think it will be a one-sided game. It’s an overhyped contest. Yes, the tickets have been prized high. But, I don’t think we will get a lot of fun watching this one-sided match.”
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What an analysis lol cricinfo analysis despite playing against them. He is jinxing INdian players. But he has a point. Pakistan had these players like Salman butt, Sohaib Malik who were a threat against India back in the days when India's fast bowling was poor. Current Pakistan lacks that Malik, Butt even Hafeez.
 
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