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Which side will win the iconic India versus Pakistan clash on 23 October in the ICC T20 World Cup?

Which side will win the iconic India versus Pakistan clash on 23 October in the ICC T20 World Cup?


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And some experts here want Pant to open the inning and want KL to bat at 4. :facepalm

KL scored 57 from 33 balls. :inti

for some reasons, people forget that this is Australian conditions and at the start only proper batters can score runs easily, not all teams have the expertise of buttler, warner and co.

Back to this match, i still believe, with that kind of start, India should've posted 200+ somewhere around 210.
 
Thanks for reminding. I forgot you have this quality. :inti

None anywhere close to the mastery that you have got in both the qualities highlighted here. :91: :inti

I call spade a spade and say what I feel unlike you who like to twist stuffs and show hypocrisy :inti
 
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for some reasons, people forget that this is Australian conditions and at the start only proper batters can score runs easily, not all teams have the expertise of buttler, warner and co.

Back to this match, i still believe, with that kind of start, India should've posted 200+ somewhere around 210.

India has 5 rank tailenders. You cannot put 200 with that line up
 
for some reasons, people forget that this is Australian conditions and at the start only proper batters can score runs easily, not all teams have the expertise of buttler, warner and co.

Back to this match, i still believe, with that kind of start, India should've posted 200+ somewhere around 210.

By the way Finch is the definition of hack lol Not a single shot of his can be called Text book. Even today he pretty much mowed everything to midwicket
 
None anywhere close to the mastery that you have got in both the qualities highlighted here. :91: :inti

I call spade a spade and say what I feel unlike you who like to twist stuffs and show hypocrisy :inti

Yeah that is why you keep runnig away and then keep coming back after ignoring me for dozen times already just like a chicken. :91: :inti
 
Pakistan is clear favorites this time.
India are looking under confident with extremely weak bowling lineup and out of form captain. Suryakumar is the only in form batsman we have and he is going to choke in this world cup.
Pakistan and South Africa are semi finalists from this group.
 
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Yeah that is why you keep runnig away and then keep coming back after ignoring me for dozen times already just like a chicken. :91: :inti

Well, that's another quality you possess. Running away when the going gets tough and start trolling when you fail to come up with a logical answer to a logical question. :91: :inti
 
After beating Australia I think India are looking clear favorites against Pakistan on sunday. :inti

Australia were without Warner and their 2 best bowlers. Also, batting first is an advantage and still India struggled despite being at full strength.

Your statements barely have a modicum of logic but this is just pathetic :facepalm
 
After the warm up game vs NZ, we will have a better clarity of which bowlers should we pick. But the batting is clear in my opinion:-

1. Rohit
2. Pant
3. Kohli
4. Surya
5. kL
6. Pandya
7. Ashwin
8. Bhuvi
9. Shami
10. Arshdeep
11. Chahal

There maybe one or two tweaks based on performance vs NZ but at the moment, I will go with this team. DK will struggle to clear boundaries here so a no for me :inti
 
Well, that's another quality you possess. Running away when the going gets tough and start trolling when you fail to come up with a logical answer to a logical question. :91: :inti

You are like that 5 year old kid who repeat the same stuff that has been said to him. :91: :inti
 
After the warm up game vs NZ, we will have a better clarity of which bowlers should we pick. But the batting is clear in my opinion:-

1. Rohit
2. Pant
3. Kohli
4. Surya
5. kL
6. Pandya
7. Ashwin
8. Bhuvi
9. Shami
10. Arshdeep
11. Chahal

There maybe one or two tweaks based on performance vs NZ but at the moment, I will go with this team. DK will struggle to clear boundaries here so a no for me :inti

Lol at Pant opening the inning that too after KL's performance against Australia. :facepalm :inti
 
There is rain forecast (80%) on Sunday in Melbourne. Will the ICC have a reserve day for their biggest moneymaking match? Would make sense how they deliberately try and ensure there is an India Pak match in ICC tournaments.

Alternatively can the match be moved to the indoor cricket stadium in Australia?
 
There is rain forecast (80%) on Sunday in Melbourne. Will the ICC have a reserve day for their biggest moneymaking match? Would make sense how they deliberately try and ensure there is an India Pak match in ICC tournaments.

Alternatively can the match be moved to the indoor cricket stadium in Australia?

This match surely deserves a reserve day. :inti
 
Pakistan are favourites but if India ends up making it 6-3 on that day (since '17) there should be no excuse for fans and especially betrayers. :inti
 
Normal business shall resume.

Pakistan getting smashed by India in a World Cup is the way of the world. It is Pakistan’s destiny. It is how it is supposed to be and how it is meant to be.

Imran Khan laid the foundation in 1992 and Wasim and Waqar cemented it from 1996 to 2003.

Babar Azam triumphing last year was an aberration - normalcy shall be restored.
 
What a shame it will be if this match is washed off, hoping weather will improve or BCCI pull out a rabbit
 
After beating Australia I think India are looking clear favorites against Pakistan on sunday. :inti

As I said earlier India have an edge over Pakistan going into this match. Remember unlike the previous 3 matches at Dubai this match is in Australia where toss factor is redundant. Also bear in mind that rain will be a huge factor. If its a rain shortened match then the shorter it is the more it tilts towards India as Pakistan lack the power hitters. Also the shorter the match Pakistan's bowling advantage gets les potent.

Having said that I will still give India only a 55-45 edge over pakistan and not say clear favourites as this is a format where any team can beat anyone on their given day. SL and WI losing are prime examples. Maybe a more clear prediction can be made on the eve of 23rd knowing the weather.
 
The forecast says 80-90% rain now. So if this match is abandoned then the matches against SA will be must wins for both tams to advance to the next round (assuming all 3 teams beat Bangladesh and B1 n A2). Is SA wins against 1 of the 2 they are through.
 
Pakistan would need to chase to win this and hope Babar and Rizwan again do the bulk of the scoring.

I have this fear they are going to throw in Shaheen and Fakhar who have zero match fitness under their belt and they will flop big time.
 
India are favorites, their track record in Australia is way better than Pakistan.

Pakistan also does not have the batting firepower to challenge India in Australia
 
Not necessarily true, sometimes whichever has longer history tends to have an edge. Olympics is the pinnacle in field hockey, just like international basketball and ice hockey. There is a basketball WC but the US defeat at the hands of USSR in 1972 Olympics is still talked about more than all FIBA WCs put together. Likewise ice hockey.

You can't simply discount India's 5 Olympic golds (ok 1980 is overrated, still 4) post independence. Also the pre-1947 team was dominated by those who stayed back in India after partition, and that team had GOAT Dhyan Chand. Pakistan has been overall better in hockey but can't wash away India's legacy especially that of giants like Dhyan Chand and Balbir Singh (3 consecutive golds, 1948-56).

No one is discounting olympic gold medals at all.
But whenever a victory is earned, it shall be respected and given due credit. It should happen on both sides.
 
Its 2-1 under babar and pakistan has been winning the important games vs india since CT17 final. India slight Favs due to conditions.
 
I think our pace battery will knock the socks of India in Australia. We don't need more than 160 to defeat India. If we bowl first we will get them out under 130.
 
India cant win with there bowling.

Their only hope is to win the toss and chase.
 
Don't care about Shami's one over spell. Indian bowling is still very weak and would click 1 out of 5 times and already clicked against Australia in the warm-up. Don't think they have it in them again on coming Sunday.
 
I just checked the weather forecast.

Looks like rain will be the winner.
 
I just checked the weather forecast.

Looks like rain will be the winner.

This is alarming

Pakistan wouldn’t want to play out of its comfort zone to achieve net run rates to get them through to the next round

They want to play cricket in their own way and just edge past the opponent through the help of its bowlers
 
Funnily enough, PAK's ordinary spinners like NAWAZ are always dangerous against INDIA.
Indians have become so so bad at hitting spin that I am more worried about batting against NAWAZ and SHADAB than anyone else.
 
Over the years India has played a lot in Australia either it's red or white ball cricket. Indians know the conditions, the pitches, the right length to bowl in Australia much better than Pakistan. Although, T20 is more of a lottery but I will bet my money on India. If the tournament was in Asia than Pakistan had a chance.
 
Over the years India has played a lot in Australia either it's red or white ball cricket. Indians know the conditions, the pitches, the right length to bowl in Australia much better than Pakistan. Although, T20 is more of a lottery but I will bet my money on India. If the tournament was in Asia than Pakistan had a chance.


Seeing how Afghanistan battered SL then SL beat India/Pakistan (twice), Pakistan lost almost to Afghanistan, Then SL comes back to losing to Namibia, and Namibia lost to the Netherlands. So anything is possible. Any team can beat any team. Because most teams are flawed. If your flaws flare up bigger than the flaws of other sides you lose. Simple as that.
 
Seeing how Afghanistan battered SL then SL beat India/Pakistan (twice), Pakistan lost almost to Afghanistan, Then SL comes back to losing to Namibia, and Namibia lost to the Netherlands. So anything is possible. Any team can beat any team. Because most teams are flawed. If your flaws flare up bigger than the flaws of other sides you lose. Simple as that.

100% agree with you, but over the last 25 or so years Pakistan's record in Australia in all the formats is just horrendous. We really struggle even to compete in Australia. Anyways, I hope it's not the case this time....let's see!
 
Pakistan will beat India, get used to it now guys, and then we will gleefully bow out of the tournament... India will prob go till semis... eng is gonna win this one...
 
Normal business shall resume.

Pakistan getting smashed by India in a World Cup is the way of the world. It is Pakistan’s destiny. It is how it is supposed to be and how it is meant to be.

Imran Khan laid the foundation in 1992 and Wasim and Waqar cemented it from 1996 to 2003.

Babar Azam triumphing last year was an aberration - normalcy shall be restored.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] will you show up if Pakistan wins this or will you go under your usual rock? Normalcy is when you are leading in head to head, meaning when Pak-India play, Pakistan comes out a stronger team and wins more so I would describe that normalcy. Anyways your usual tactics are to desperately seek attention no matter how silly the systement is, usual you I guess.
 
Weather forecast seems to have improved by overall 60% mostly rain is expected late in the night
 
India star Rishabh Pant has admitted there is nothing better than taking on Pakistan on the big stage and the left-hander is hoping to get the chance to do so once more when the arch-rivals meet at the ICC Men's T20 World Cup on Sunday.

The next chapter in India's ongoing rivalry against Pakistan will be written at the MCG on Sunday as both sides get their ICC Men's T20 World Cup campaign underway with a crucial match-up in front a crowd that is expected to be close to the capacity of 100,000.

While Pant is seemingly in a head-to-head battle with veteran Dinesh Karthik for the wicketkeeping role in India's XI, the 25-year-old could still feature as a specialist batter if selectors opt to bolster their middle-order for the match.

Pant experienced the feeling of taking on Pakistan at a T20 World Cup when the two teams met at last year's event in Dubai, and one of the many rising stars of India cricket said nothing comes close to the experience of taking the field against their biggest rival.

"It’s always special playing against Pakistan because there is a special hype around that match as always," Pant said.

"There are so much emotions involved, not only for us, but the fans and everyone.

“It’s a different kind of feeling, a different kind of ambience when you go on to the field and when you take on the field, you see people cheering here and there.

"It’s a different atmosphere and when we were singing our national anthem, I actually get goosebumps."

Last year's clash at the T20 World Cup was as one-sided as cricket contests get, with Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam successfully chasing down India's score of 151/7 without loss to gift Pakistan a comprehensive 10-wicket triumph.

While the match was quickly erased from the memory of many India players and fans, Pant still has fond recollections of the game following his 53-run partnership with then skipper Virat Kohli and quickfire knock of 39.

"I fondly remember that I smacked Hasan Ali for two sixes in the same over," Pant recalled.

"We were just trying to get the run rate up because we lost early wickets and we staged a partnership – me and Virat.

"We were increasing the run rate and I smacked him for two sixes with one hand... my special shot."

Pant is hoping he will get the chance to rekindle his batting relationship with Kohli at the MCG this Sunday.

"He (Kohli) can actually teach you how to go through situations, which might help you in your cricket journey going forward, so it is nice batting with him as always," Pant said.

"It’s good to have someone with a lot of experience batting with you because he can take you through how to take the game on and how to maintain that run-a-ball pressure kind of thing."

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Pictures (courtesy of the PCB) of the Pakistan squad on their way to Melbourne to take part in their tournament opener against India on 23rd October

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Rain will be the only winner. This one will be a right off.
 
Pakistan should prefer chasing and bat 2nd...

Pakistan pacers capable of picking early wickets and put India under pressure in the opening game of the WC early on..

From then on Pakistans game to hold the momentum to ride on..

Setting up a target , Pakistan doesnt know wat to set as target , even if they score 180+ they go clueless when the opposition starts to attack..
 
On Pak game, Rohit Sharma:

"We know that this is going to happen - whenever we play Pakistan, it's always a blockbuster"

"People want to come out and watch and feel the atmosphere, more than anything else. Obviously, they want to enjoy the cricket as well, but at the same time, the atmosphere in the stadium for the fans, the spectators, even people watching from home - it's pretty exciting.”

"And for us as players, of course, it's a big game - we are starting off our campaign. But, at the same time, we want to just keep ourselves quite relaxed and focused on what we need to do as individuals, because that is going to be the key for us. If individuals can keep themselves calm and composed during the game, we'll get the result that we're looking for"
 
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Clear day today, forecast for rains from friday onwards.
IMHO rain affected reduced overs game. will be a 8-10 over lottery shootout.
Expect both sides to pack with batsmen with about 3.5 bowlers and start heaving the wood from ball one to hit the ball to kingdom come.
 
Clear day today, forecast for rains from friday onwards.
IMHO rain affected reduced overs game. will be a 8-10 over lottery shootout.
Expect both sides to pack with batsmen with about 3.5 bowlers and start heaving the wood from ball one to hit the ball to kingdom come.

The more the match gets shortened the less are pakistan's chances to win. They lack proper power hitters. Kushdil, Asif will not be able to clear the ropes so easily. while Babar, Rizwan and Shan dont have the skill. It boild down to just Nawaz and Shadab.

But anyways the match will be called off. The forecast is similar what was in brisbane yesterday and we all saw what happened yesterday. So the chances of even a 5 over a side match look bleak. Hoping for a miracle.
 
Oct 20 (Reuters) - For a side used to tumultuous build-ups Pakistan look unusually settled ahead of the T20 World Cup in Australia, where they launch their bid for a second title with a Super 12 showdown against arch-rivals India on Sunday.

Sorting out a misfiring middle order was top of skipper Babar Azam's to-do list heading into a tri-series in New Zealand as the burden of scoring runs had fallen on him and vice-captain Mohammad Rizwan.

Babar can now breathe a bit easier after Mohammad Nawaz, Haider Ali and Iftikhar Ahmed came good in New Zealand, where they beat the hosts in Friday's final.

"Our middle order stepped up in the last two matches," Babar said.

"When you get that kind of performance right before the World Cup, it gives lot of confidence to the team.

"I'm fully confident they would perform well in the World Cup, too. It's a good sign for us."
themselves they must still set the tone at the top of the order.

The 2009 champions must also be careful not to run out of steam like last year, when Pakistan finished the Super 12 stage unbeaten but were sent packing by eventual winners Australia in the semi-finals.

Spearhead Shaheen Afridi has returned from a knee injury to join the squad, which boasts a quality pace attack that includes Naseem Shah and Haris Rauf.

"Pakistan always have had an abundance of fast bowlers and we currently have a very strong pace attack," Babar said.

"Shaheen's return strengthens our attack. Haris has improved a lot, both with new ball and in the death overs.

"This is an opportunity to showcase our skill as a pace unit."

Pakistan have no time to ease themselves into the tournament, getting their campaign underway with a sold-out contest against India in Melbourne.

Pakistan snapped their winless streak against India at World Cups last year and also prevailed when the neighbours clashed in an Asia Cup contest in the United Arab Emirates in September.

"A match against India is always a high-intensity contest," Babar said.

"Fans eagerly wait for them. On the field, we enjoy it a lot and give our 100%."
 
If points are shared then the group will become more interesting, I feel.
 
One good thing I see is fans have started to buzz again for Pak-Ind matches after the dull time period from 2013-2019. 2014 Asia Cup was the only competitive match between the two teams during that period.
 
If points are shared then the group will become more interesting, I feel.

SA match will decide. But you cannot rule out other oppositions summarily. I would be worried about Holland more than BD. They have some very good fielders.
 
The more the match gets shortened the less are pakistan's chances to win. They lack proper power hitters. Kushdil, Asif will not be able to clear the ropes so easily. while Babar, Rizwan and Shan dont have the skill. It boild down to just Nawaz and Shadab.

But anyways the match will be called off. The forecast is similar what was in brisbane yesterday and we all saw what happened yesterday. So the chances of even a 5 over a side match look bleak. Hoping for a miracle.

If Babar doesn't have skill then I don't think anyone has skill.
 
60/40 in India's favour. Pak's bowling is better and India's batting is too. The gap between the bowling is not as great as it is in the batting. For that reason I hate to say India are slight favourites.
 
If Babar doesn't have skill then I don't think anyone has skill.

Look at the context. I was speaking about a curtailed match where RizBar wont have 120 balls to take the match deep. they will have to clear the ropes from ball 1. Babar doesn't possess that skill. he needs a few balls before get going. If its a match lesser than 12 overs India have a massive advantage as they have more batsman who can clear the ropes more consistently.
 
The mouth-watering encounter between India and Pakistan threatens to deliver fireworks at the ICC Men’s T20 World Cup 2022.
Group 2’s opening weekend will see the arch-rivals meet in Melbourne, with some of the world’s best T20I players set to be on show at the MCG.

Here we take a look at some of the biggest match-ups in an encounter that could go a long way towards deciding the make-up of the semi-finalists.


Shaheen Afridi v KL Rahul and Rohit Sharma

India’s opening batters will have had sleepless nights about their last meeting with Pakistan at a T20 World Cup.

It took just seven deliveries for Shaheen Afridi to dismiss both Rohit Sharma and KL Rahul in one of the most famous spells of T20 bowling the world has seen.

A wicked inswinger had Rohit heading back to the dugout without troubling the scoreboard, before another delicious delivery shaped back in and castled Rahul’s stumps at the start of the third over.

India never really recovered, and it was no fluke from Afridi – his record in the Powerplay is outstanding throughout his T20I career.

Should India’s openers see off Shaheen, then a big score may be on the cards.

India’s death bowlers vs Asif Ali

The role of Asif Ali as a powerful finisher has been much discussed in recent times, but he’s a proven force in the latter stages of an innings and could do significant damage, particularly in the bouncier Australian conditions.

In the absence of Jasprit Bumrah, India’s tactics at the death are slightly less clear. In an ideal world it would be Bumrah who took at least two of the final five overs of an innings, but that job could now fall to Mohammed Shami and his yorker-heavy strategy.

If he hits those yorkers, as he did in the warm-up game against Australia, then things should go well for India. But the margin for error is exceptionally small against a hitter like Asif Ali. It will be a fascinating watch.


Suryakumar Yadav v Shadab Khan

India’s middle-order sensation is the form T20 batter in the world right now, and could hold the key to their chances in Australia.

One of the beauties of Yadav’s game is that he is a genuine 360 batter against both pace and spin, and he will have Pakistan’s key spinner in his sights.

Shadab Khan typically keeps things tight through the middle overs for Pakistan, building pressure and delivering plenty of wickets – 87 in 73 innings in T20Is at a strike rate of 18.8.

Pakistan aren’t used to seeing Shadab go for runs, but if anyone is capable of taking him down then it will be India’s number four.


Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan v Bhuvneshwar Kumar

It is no secret that Pakistan’s batting strength is built on the backs of Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan.

The pair have made themselves comfortable at the top of the MRF ICC T20I Player Rankings for a number of years now, with Rizwan going into the T20 World Cup in top spot and Babar in third, with India’s Yadav separating the two.

Volume of runs is not an issue for the pair, and if they go big it can be a big problem for opponents. Their batting record together is fearsome – five times they have put on 150 runs or more as a partnership in T20 international matches, most recently their astonishing 203-run opening stand to beat England just a month ago.

Get one of Babar or Rizwan out early and you are in with a chance against Pakistan and, in Bhuvneshwar Kumar, India have the sort of Powerplay specialist who can cause the openers some real issues.

Bhuvi’s ability to extract movement in the opening overs could put Pakistan under significant pressure, and while the rest of the Pakistan batting line-up is strong, they are accustomed to going big on a platform set by the consistent top two. Remove that platform and you are halfway towards stopping Pakistan.

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Update:

Shan Masood is being taken to Hospital for scans after a ball hit him in the right hand side of his head during Pakistan's net session in MCG.
 
Update:

Shan Masood is being taken to Hospital for scans after a ball hit him in the right hand side of his head during Pakistan's net session in MCG.

Got this news on social media few minutes ago. Hope there is nothing serious.
 
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Shan Masood is being taken to Hospital for scans after a ball hit him in the right hand side of his head during Pakistan's net session in MCG.

Picture on social media:

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Hope he recovers soon.

Was he wearing a helmet or no? Can't say much with these pictures.
 
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