Who is better Test batter - Joe Root or Steven Smith?

[Obaidd]

Bro alot of these folkes pretend as if such conversations don't exist.

For example Indians like @Rajdeep and @jeeteshssaxena have peddled narratives about root and only Pakistani fans hyping root despite Steve Smith vocally claiming that root will beat Sachin and he's looking forward to witness it.

Clearly only Pakistani fans aren't observing and wishing to witness this phenomenon.

Their level of lying is on another level.

I highlighted the unfairness and all I heard was:

Pak has poor economy, Pak fans are jealous, we generate most revenue, we have most eyeballs

 

[atreus]

What are your numbers against Saffers?

16-12 in England's favour

 

[atreus]

Er, Root made more runs than Ponting in less number of innings in substantially tougher conditions over career sample size. There's no question he's a better Test Batsman than Ricky though they are close.

Ponting vs Smith stopped being a debate when Smith made three hundreds in India, Smith ended that discussion forever after 2019 Ashes.

 

[mominsaigol]

Er, Root made more runs than Ponting in less number of innings in substantially tougher conditions over career sample size. There's no question he's a better Test Batsman than Ricky though they are close.

Ponting vs Smith stopped being a debate when Smith made three hundreds in India, Smith ended that discussion forever after 2019 Ashes.

Er, Root made more runs than Ponting in less number

I've been stating this for months but @jnaveen1980 @jeeteshssaxena @pillionrider have been arguing with me as if I stole their kidneys and sold them on Ebay.

 

[atreus]

I've been stating this for months but these bafoons @jnaveen1980 @jeeteshssaxena @pillionrider have been arguing with me as if I stole their kidneys and sold them on Ebay.

Probably just Anglophobia.

 

[Sachin fan]

I highlighted the unfairness and all I heard was:

Pak has poor economy, Pak fans are jealous, we generate most revenue, we have most eyeballs

If you werent jealous you wouldn't be making excuses every time india won. Have been seeing such excuses since I started watching cricket. nothing has changed

 

[Sachin fan]

Bro alot of these folkes pretend as if such conversations don't exist.

For example Indians like @Rajdeep and @jeeteshssaxena have peddled narratives about root and only Pakistani fans hyping root despite Steve Smith vocally claiming that root will beat Sachin and he's looking forward to witness it.

Clearly only Pakistani fans aren't observing and wishing to witness this phenomenon.

Their level of lying is on another level.

How is Steve Smith praising his peer anything like comparing him to Sachin? What?

 

[mominsaigol]

How is Steve Smith praising his peer anything like comparing him to Sachin? What?

You're misunderstanding the point. Indian fans(the clo*n gang) have been peddling a narrative that the world doesnt care about Joe root and only Pakistani fans are concerned yet every news outlet is pedlling around the STORY of whether root can break it or not.

This racism towards Pakistani people needs to stop. Anyone should be allowed to support, comment and like whatever on an open forumn.

 

[sweep_shot]

Atherton and Hussain talked about it (Eng)
Cummins and @mominsaigol (Aus)
Shami (Ind)
@sweep_shot (BD)

Many more from around the globe have made their reservations known.

Bro alot of these folkes pretend as if such conversations don't exist.

For example Indians like @Rajdeep and @jeeteshssaxena have peddled narratives about root and only Pakistani fans hyping root despite Steve Smith vocally claiming that root will beat Sachin and he's looking forward to witness it.

Clearly only Pakistani fans aren't observing and wishing to witness this phenomenon.

Their level of lying is on another level.

These Indians think they are the center of the universe. They are out of touch with objective reality.

 

[VForVendetta]

Tbf I agree with you, but just one counter argument, their are only 15 batters in history who have acquires the 10K mark.

And excluding cook and mahela everyone else avg 50 or above and clearly stand out from any other batter who has not joined this club.

Excluding Mattew Hayden, but thats due to him avg 50 as a test opener hence he stands out despite not being in the club.

Smith will still be remembered amongst the top 15. But yes Root will likely be no 1 in terms of runs and possibly centuries.

Sobers,Viv, Greenidge, KP, Miandad & Sewhag are not part of this club. You mentioned Hayden only but all these guys are either amongst GOAT or ATG. They didn't need the entry into the 10k club to certify their legacy. There are quite a few batsmen on that club who were not better test batters than these non 10k guys. Mahela, Cook, Chandarpaul are not greater than these guys. They had terrific longevity for which they need to be commended. Hell, Cook actually didn't even have that, he was simply lucky to be born in a county which gets to play around 30 matches every year. Younus built his entire career on bullying in SC pitches(particularly those barren UAE pitches) while nudging & dancing & somehow trying to escape in SENAW. Younus is a certified legend but the names I mentioned on top of the post, each of them has greater legacy than him.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Considering yourself dominant over 6-4 just screams of you being desperate and insecure, the scoreline reads 23-21, you've done slightly better but calling yourself "dominant"? eh

You are the one who posted that 21-23 record to show that Eng was ahead , i just showed you that it was faulty and in reality India has been the better team in this millennium.

Plus, why are you sucking your own dick so hard over me simply saying your method of dismissing Root doesn't work considering the same statement can be made regarding your second greatest batsman? it's really weird how you went in a full blown schzio rant about India and England over a discussion regarding Root and Gavaskar.

I did not dismiss him, just said that he won’t retire as the best batsman of this generation in any format. Thats a fact.
Calm down.

nobody cares of bilateral limited overs outside of the Sub continent, IIRC india and England have won the same amount of ODI and T20 world cups this century too!

Nah, India has been far better, world cups count is same but you are yet to win the champions trophy( we won that thrice)on top of that your performance in world cups apart from the 2019 one has been shambolic.

You have won the test mace ones, while India has won it 5 times. There is absolutely no

 

[atreus]

You are the one who posted that 21-23 record to show that Eng was ahead , i just showed you that it was faulty and in reality India has been the better team in this millennium.

You brought up the conversation of "standards" when I said your pathetic jab at Root is applicable to your second greatest Batsman of all time as well, India have been marginally better by a margin of two whopping games, only Australia emerging as a clear superior team this decade. So basically, your criteria of producing ATGs when nowhere and was proven to be irrelevant as it didn't give India a relevant edge over England, we can go back in time too all the way to the 70s and it still won't help you.

I did not dismiss him, just said that he won’t retire as the best batsman of this generation in any format. Thats a fact.
Calm down.

I said the same is applicable with Gavaskar, you went on a cringe Anglophobe rant, please have a little self awareness.

Nah, India has been far better, world cups count is same but you are yet to win the champions trophy( we won that thrice)on top of that your performance in world cups apart from the 2019 one has been shambolic.

Indeed, because nobody in England outside of a 4-5 year window has ever cared for Limited Overs Cricket, it's just not popular outside Subcontinent.

You have won the test mace ones, while India has won it 5 times. There is absolutely no

21-23, 4-6, that's the end of the line, jerk off to your ATG production when your ATGs actually do something that give you bragging right.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

You brought up the conversation of "standards" when I said your pathetic jab at Root is applicable to your second greatest Batsman of all time as well, India have been marginally better by a margin of two whopping games, only Australia emerging as a clear superior team this decade. So basically, your criteria of producing ATGs when nowhere and was proven to be irrelevant as it didn't give India a relevant edge over England, we can go back in time too all the way to the 70s and it still won't help you.

I said the same is applicable with Gavaskar, you went on a cringe Anglophobe rant, please have a little self awareness.

Indeed, because nobody in England outside of a 4-5 year window has ever cared for Limited Overs Cricket, it's just not popular outside Subcontinent.

21-23, 4-6, that's the end of the line, jerk off to your ATG production when your ATGs actually do something that give you bragging right.

What I stated was a fact, you need to check the whole thread before raining down on me.

Threads like these are just being used to somehow portray Root as the best batter of all time which is absolutely idiotic considering he isn’t even the best of his time.


The reality is India 6- Eng 4, Englands routine nowadays is getting shagged by Australia away from home and somehow saving their ass in home conditions, then going to India where Root scores some runs on the one flat pitch we give you after which the shagging continues for 4 more games ending the series 4-1.

Pakistan was your only saving grace but last year even they pulled your pants down.

 

[atreus]

What I stated was a fact, you need to check the whole thread before raining down on me..

Nah, you are a bigoted brat who is getting called out for his irrelevant chest thumping and is unable to handle it.

Threads like these are just being used to somehow portray Root as the best batter of all time which is absolutely idiotic considering he isn’t even the best of his time.

Kindly show me one poster claiming he's the best of all time, please. All there is, is idiots such as yourself spreading garbage agenda against the guy because of your Anglophobia.

The reality is India 6- Eng 4,

21-23, you're two whole games ahead! amazing!

Englands routine nowadays is getting shagged by Australia away from home and somehow saving their ass in home conditions

On the other hand.

1. India has never won a series in South Africa, England did it in 2016/17 and in 2020-21.

2. India hasn't won a series in New Zealand in their last two attempts, England were 2-0 up the last series and won the series too.

then going to India where Root scores some runs on the one flat pitch we give you after which the shagging continues for 4 more games ending the series 4-1.

At least you admit to pitch tampering, you should thank us for our graciousness with the wickets in BGT, especially the London ones, if England started making county cricket like greentops and take a bunch of the 70-75mph trundlers who won't do anything on a real wicket, they won't lose a test in England ever again but we don't need to do all that, Australia haven't won in over 25 years, India haven't in over 20, England have beaten those two in their homes more recently.

Pakistan was your only saving grace but last year even they pulled your pants down.

By deploying proper industrial fans on a wicket and playing on day 7-8 wickets Yes, they be.at the saffers on less tampered wickets than those.

 

[Obaidd]

Atherton and Hussain talked about it (Eng)
Cummins and @mominsaigol (Aus)
Shami (Ind)
@sweep_shot (BD)

Many more from around the globe have made their reservations known.

This post was about Ind’s unfair CT win but was moved here.

No worries. I will keep fighting cricket’s fight for survival against ‘most eyeballs’

 

[mominsaigol]

Sobers,Viv, Greenidge, KP, Miandad & Sewhag are not part of this club. You mentioned Hayden only but all these guys are either amongst GOAT or ATG. They didn't need the entry into the 10k club to certify their legacy. There are quite a few batsmen on that club who were not better test batters than these non 10k guys. Mahela, Cook, Chandarpaul are not greater than these guys. They had terrific longevity for which they need to be commended. Hell, Cook actually didn't even have that, he was simply lucky to be born in a county which gets to play around 30 matches every year. Younus built his entire career on bullying in SC pitches(particularly those barren UAE pitches) while nudging & dancing & somehow trying to escape in SENAW. Younus is a certified legend but the names I mentioned on top of the post, each of them has greater legacy than him.

I agree 100%. Except for YK, YK is > KP, Miandad, Sehwag amongst the names you mentioned but below Viv sobers and greenidge

 

[mominsaigol]

Nah, you are a bigoted brat who is getting called out for his irrelevant chest thumping and is unable to handle it.

Kindly show me one poster claiming he's the best of all time, please. All there is, is idiots such as yourself spreading garbage agenda against the guy because of your Anglophobia.

21-23, you're two whole games ahead! amazing!

On the other hand.

1. India has never won a series in South Africa, England did it in 2016/17 and in 2020-21.

2. India hasn't won a series in New Zealand in their last two attempts, England were 2-0 up the last series and won the series too.


At least you admit to pitch tampering, you should thank us for our graciousness with the wickets in BGT, especially the London ones, if England started making county cricket like greentops and take a bunch of the 70-75mph trundlers who won't do anything on a real wicket, they won't lose a test in England ever again but we don't need to do all that, Australia haven't won in over 25 years, India haven't in over 20, England have beaten those two in their homes more recently.

By deploying proper industrial fans on a wicket and playing on day 7-8 wickets Yes, they be.at the saffers on less tampered wickets than those.

I cant recall anyone claiming he was the best of all time. Even in my list I put him at Ponting level and below many others.

 

[VForVendetta]

I agree 100%. Except for YK, YK is > KP, Miandad, Sehwag amongst the names you mentioned but below Viv sobers and greenidge

Well, I respect your opinion but certainly don't agree. Younus was a fighter, a real hard nut, man of crisis, a genuine hero of Pak cricket in it's darker declining period. But there's no way I would rate him above KP & Sewhag. Those guys were monsters on their days, literally destroyed multiple bowling attacks, humiliated many legends & treated them like nobodies. They are the closet thing to Viv in test cricket world cricket has witnessed & nobody came even close with the exception of Warner who is frankly a bunny in Ind & Eng.
As for Miandad, well both Pakistanis & non Pakistanis rate him comfortably above Younus. He had his demons in WI, but other than that he was easily a better, more reliable player on SENA pitches.

 

[mominsaigol]

Well, I respect your opinion but certainly don't agree. Younus was a fighter, a real hard nut, man of crisis, a genuine hero of Pak cricket in it's darker declining period. But there's no way I would rate him above KP & Sewhag. Those guys were monsters on their days, literally destroyed multiple bowling attacks, humiliated many legends & treated them like nobodies. They are the closet thing to Viv in test cricket world cricket has witnessed & nobody came even close with the exception of Warner who is frankly a bunny in Ind & Eng.
As for Miandad, well both Pakistanis & non Pakistanis rate him comfortably above Younus. He had his demons in WI, but other than that he was easily a better, more reliable player on SENA pitches.

I cant speak for how people rate them. Speaking of Sehwag and KP, Sehwag maybe due to the hardships of opening but not KP.

Attacking more =/= better player. Harry Brook was more dominant in Pakistan and NZ for England yet Root is comfortably the better test batsmen.

Similarly Ponting is more attacking then Steve Smith in test cricket but Smith is superior no contest.

KP avg 45 in aus, 43 in India and this was when indian test bowling was rubbish. India's test bowling is still rubbish but shami, Bumrah and even siraj who is medicore are > indian trundles of all old, to top it off their spin department is better as well.

The less said about his performance in NZ, SA and Pakistan the better.

YK on the other hand has scored multiple centuries in every single country he has played in. His conversion rate is off the charts having more centuries then 50's in test cricket, he avg 40+ in every country he played in except for WI and SA where he was poor but he still mustered one century and one dominant performance in their den.

Even then his sa record isnt that bad, he avg 32 which while poor for his standards is nowhere near the clownish records of KP in the countries ive mentioned.

Miandad is closer to YK but he has a weaker conversion rate and his overall country by country performance is weaker then Miandad.

And tbh YK is > Sehwag opener or not.

YK is honestly in the class of Rahul Dravid in test cricket, however Dravid is still superior if you compare these 2 in test.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Nah, you are a bigoted brat who is getting called out for his irrelevant chest thumping and is unable to handle it.

Kindly show me one poster claiming he's the best of all time, please. All there is, is idiots such as yourself spreading garbage agenda against the guy because of your Anglophobia.

21-23, you're two whole games ahead! amazing!

On the other hand.

1. India has never won a series in South Africa, England did it in 2016/17 and in 2020-21.

2. India hasn't won a series in New Zealand in their last two attempts, England were 2-0 up the last series and won the series too.


At least you admit to pitch tampering, you should thank us for our graciousness with the wickets in BGT, especially the London ones, if England started making county cricket like greentops and take a bunch of the 70-75mph trundlers who won't do anything on a real wicket, they won't lose a test in England ever again but we don't need to do all that, Australia haven't won in over 25 years, India haven't in over 20, England have beaten those two in their homes more recently.

By deploying proper industrial fans on a wicket and playing on day 7-8 wickets Yes, they be.at the saffers on less tampered wickets than those.

I am not clicking on that video, whatever that is.

Bigoted? For what? You Just picked up a word from the dictionary and applied it to a totally unrelated conversation.

If you prepare greentops your FTBs will be the first one to get exposed, Zak Crawley would average south of 20, let alone win, your team won’t even be able to save their underpants in home conditions vs the big boys.

Root scoring only on the one flat pitch that he gets in India isn’t really a compliment, whenever we prepare pitches that turn not only are your ftbs humiliated they start crying about pitches, which is exactly opposite of what the Indian team does, your team and excricketers do not know how to man up because they have become spoilt brats who think Ecb still runs cricket.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Peak = Smith
Career = Root

Smith is fading away pretty badly. By the time he retires, his career wouldn’t be distinguishable from any other 50+ averaging batsman.

Root will have a unique place in history as the leading run scorer and leading century maker in Test history.

Oh nice, didn’t you post just a month ago that Smith is a better test batsman than Sachin, last I remember in reallity Sachin is actually the person holding the record of most test runs and ergo has a “unique place in history”.

Or did you get confused between reality and your wet dreams where Root has already become number one scorer?

Another one of your <100 iq 180 degree turn.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Indians aren't anglophobe, they are logicphobes, and decencyphobes

 

[Mamoon]

Oh nice, didn’t you post just a month ago that Smith is a better test batsman than Sachin, last I remember in reallity Sachin is actually the person holding the record of most test runs and ergo has a “unique place in history”.

Or did you get confused between reality and your wet dreams where Root has already become number one scorer?

Another one of your <100 iq 180 degree turn.

English, please.

 

[Mamoon]

Oh nice, didn’t you post just a month ago that Smith is a better test batsman than Sachin, last I remember in reallity Sachin is actually the person holding the record of most test runs and ergo has a “unique place in history”.

Or did you get confused between reality and your wet dreams where Root has already become number one scorer?

Another one of your <100 iq 180 degree turn.

I read your incoherent rambling (in thick Indian accent while bobbling my head) one more time and this time, I was able to comprehend it.

So I see where the problem lies — you don’t know the difference between “will” and “has”.

“Root will have a unique place in history as the leading run scorer and leading century maker in Test history”

This implies that Root has not yet become the leading run scorer by it is my expectation that he will become one day, and I stick to that expectation. Everyone including jingoistic Indian fans know he is going to do it, but their denial is very strong.

“Or did you get confused between reality and your wet dreams where Root has already become number one scorer?”

Nowhere did I imply this. I would have implied this if I wrote that “Root has a unique place in history as the leading run scorer and leading century maker in Test history” which I did not.

You need to apologize for wasting my time. Next time, learn to read and write properly before criticizing my IQ which is several notches above yours and every other Indian on this forum.