Who's carrying the worse batting ODI line up, Virat Kohli or Babar Azam?

[fazleefridi]

For India, it's

Kohli
Jadhav

Kohli being the lone warrior, more often than not.

India is loosing their batsmen, one by one. Especially, the Openers.

Rahul
Shikhar
Rohit
Raina

Yuvi and Dhoni are anything, but passengers.

For Pakistan, it's

Sharjeel
Babar
Sarfraz

Rest, are there to fill the playing 11.

Babar being a No.3, has to make sure that the worst batting line up, doesn't get exposed. At the same time, he has to score quickly.

Looking at the CT'17 and WC'19, who's carrying the worst batting line up ?

 

[Pollack]

Kohli is carrying a decent batting lineup.

Babar is carrying nothing at all. He will start doing that once he starts winning matches on his own. Nobody is carrying the Pakistan batting lineup. Everyone is playing according to their own only.

 

[fazleefridi]

I personally reckon, it's Kohli.

Rahul, Jadhav and Pandey are yet to stamp their feet.

Shikhar looks out of touch.

Rohit nowhere to be seen.

Yuvi & Dhoni are passengers.

For Pakistan,the future looks bright.

Sharjeel
???
Babar
Haris
Sarfraz
???

They just need to find No.1 & No.6.

Then they're all set to go.

 

[fazleefridi]

Kohli is carrying a decent batting lineup.

Babar is carrying nothing at all. He will start doing that once he starts winning matches on his own. Nobody is carrying the Pakistan batting lineup. Everyone is playing according to their own only.

As of now, you are right, but the question is for the future as well(CT, WC)

 

[marlonbrowndo]

We only have Sharjeel and Babar. If Umar is promoted to opener, Haris comes back at 4 and a hitter like shahzaib is played in the middle order, only then can we even be compared to the Indian batting lineup.

 

[fazleefridi]

We only have Sharjeel and Babar. If Umar is promoted to opener, Haris comes back at 4 and a hitter like shahzaib is played in the middle order, only then can we even be compared to the Indian batting lineup.

Brother, our line up is worse than it appears .

You have all positions fixed, barring no. 2 and no. 6

For us, not even one opener is fixed.

With passengers, at 4 and 5.

 

[Fahdi]

Are you people serious? India's batting line up whether "young and unsettled" or "out of touch" is filled with modern day players. Yuvraj just scored a 150, Dhoni is a legend of the game and scored a 120 just recently at a 100+ SR. Lokesh has tremendous potential and he has already shown it. "Out of touch" Rohit has 2 double hundreds in ODI cricket and has been one of the best opening bats in the world for the past few years. The Indian batting line up is leagues apart and Kohli isn't "carrying" it by any stretch of the imagination. He is the best player in the team so naturally it seems the team is over dependent on him but that goes for any player of his calibre.

The Pakistani batting line up on the other hand is full of players stuck in 90s mode. Babar is the person who is actually carrying a team full if TTFs. I am sorry but this thread just seems forced. Babar just 23 games in is carrying this line up which really is commendable. Kohli is the best ODI and T20 player in the world and no one in his team comes close to his calibre but that doesn't change the fact that he is in fact leading a good batting line up.

 

[RamLakhan]

There are issues in the Indian team which needs to be sorted out. And the test team actually looks more settled (in both batting and bowling) Lets give some time for Kohli as we did with his test captaincy. The current England LOI series are not big ones (still we won ODI series anyhow and two matches left in T20 series as well. To be fair we don't mind losing it 1-2 to England which are a pretty decent outfit actually! Total whitewash would be embarrassing and demoralizing to Kohli, and also would take away some bit of the accomplishment on this tour!)

Two key players are actually missing in LOIs (Rohit & Shami). Also I agree T20 is about playing youngsters (Don't mind if our T20 team composition is too different from ODI team. It is not that we should play same team for ODI & T20s. Sachin the legend thought wisely and set example for that even though people around them thought otherwise! People like Dhoni & Yuvi should rethink and opt out voluntarily!) Just like people in the past understood that Test & ODIs are different games, similarly there is a case now to treat ODIs and T20s differently (Take cue from what West Indies did in the last world cup & their team composition and England also to some extent!)

 

[Protea Fan]

People trying hard to put babar on the same braket as kohli

Yes babar is talented,young,scoring runs and may have a bright future ahead but kohli is in diff league altogether...Their is light years diff bw their temperament

 

[aniket1911]

People trying hard to put babar on the same braket as kohli

Yes babar is talented,young,scoring runs and may have a bright future ahead but kohli is in diff league altogether...Their is light years diff bw their temperament

However the question is not about who's better but from my understanding, which team is more dependant on either of those players to win matches

As of now, it's not even a comparison as kohli, actually won matches from perilous situations which babar haven't just yet. Lurking in the future, I hope it's babar as I don't want India to be a one man team anymore, if Kohli fails, another kohli should be standing up their to give nightmare to bowlers and opposition captain.

 

[mango_bite77]

Definitely Babar. Every player in the Pak team are playing for his spot i mean no one has fixed place in the team. However Virat on the other hand has well settled team. Plus point for Virat is that he can choose any best batsmen in the domestic pool as they are having best breed of batsmen in the world. Look at the guys like Lokesh Rahul, manish panday, Rahane, Surya kumar yadav ,Kedhar Jadav they all have potential to bat for longer at good strike rate.

 

[fazleefridi]

People trying hard to put babar on the same braket as kohli

Yes babar is talented,young,scoring runs and may have a bright future ahead but kohli is in diff league altogether...Their is light years diff bw their temperament

Never did I even try to put both in the same bracket.
Rather I said kohli's job is tough.
Kindly, read the post brother.

Anyways, thanks for your preeeecious comment.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Sheesh man. Too much hype. Leave the kid alone.

 

[Madplayer]

Indian batting line up is far far superior and exactly what a modern day batting line up should look like. Pakistan have deadwood. Can't take this thread seriously.

 

[Sidilicious]

The problem is you are expecting a kid to carry a batting line up.

Babar is good, but he is not good enough to carry a line up yet. He has a lot of work to do before he becomes one who can carry a Pakistani lineup.

By assuming that he is/or he will, you are expecting too much and hyping the kid. Let the kid develop and treat him as he is. A very talented kid with loads of potential. But not of the standards that carry a pakistani line up.

 

[IamIndian]

I personally reckon, it's Kohli.

Rahul, Jadhav and Pandey are yet to stamp their feet.

Shikhar looks out of touch.

Rohit nowhere to be seen.

Yuvi & Dhoni are passengers.

For Pakistan,the future looks bright.

Sharjeel
???
Babar
Haris
Sarfraz
???

They just need to find No.1 & No.6.

Then they're all set to go.

Rohit nowhere to be seen. ROHIT is injured and will be back in action during IPL

Yuvi & Dhoni are passengers. Both yuvi and dhone has scored 130+ plus centuries recently


Shikhar looks out of touch. Shikhar is just one innings away from back to form

For Pakistan,the future looks bright. lol... India's current breed and future hopefuls can score @ 125 strike rate easily. The new generation of Indian batsmen waiting in the wings are Rishab Pant, Sreeyas Iyer, Sarfaz Khan, Mandeep Singh etc are known for playing fearless attacking cricket .

 

[Aman]

Babar Azam is quickly becoming overrated... by the number of threads on here, you'd think he would have played a Kohli like special to win Pakistan a game.. In reality, he played a Kane Williamson like innings which put pressure on the batsmen around him.

 

[aloo paratha]

It's not a one man show either, for both teams.

India have

Kohli
Jadav
Yuvraj
Dhoni

Pakistan have

Sharjeel
Babar
Malik
Sarfraz

Our top order, apart from second opener is actually solid. We just need someone who can finish the innings.

 

[Syed1]

Abhi Babar ko kheltay howay jumma jumma hafta nahi howa. Leave him alone. Don't put the entire burden of the batting line on him. Instead remove passengers like Akmal, Hafeez, Malik and Azhar with batsmen who actually score runs.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Babar Azam is quickly becoming overrated... by the number of threads on here, you'd think he would have played a Kohli like special to win Pakistan a game.. In reality, he played a Kane Williamson like innings which put pressure on the batsmen around him.

Kohli has never chased 350+ against an attack like this let alone away from home. Heck, no one in world cricket has. De Villiers came the closest when he chased 327 against Starc, Johnson, Richardson, Faulkner but even that attack wasn't as complete like this. You're failing to understand just how difficult it is accelerate against complete quality attacks that give nothing away. For a 22 year old to soak up pressure against the new ball, protect our non-existent middle order from collapsing, build a partnership with Sharjeel and then construct a hundred is definitely something to be applauded, particularly against this attack.

They've got two bowlers 6'3 and 6'5 bowling 145+ and a machine who just keeps hitting length. Zampa is also a wicket to wicket bowler who gives nothing away. There's only one bowler you can target. This makes it difficult to play risk-free cricket. One also has to realize that if Babar is dismissed early, whatever little chance we did have of chasing is thrown out the window because there's no one reliable down the order who can carry us all the way. Two mental midgets who can't play pace for their life and a fatty batting out of place. So it was imperative for Babar to build a partnership with Sharjeel for as long as possible even if it meant starting slow.

Circumstances change if Babar had the luxury of playing with a reliable middle/lower order. Then he can afford to take risks and no doubt he would have because he's relieved from the mental pressure of carrying the chase all the way through.

That said, I do agree that the hype being created around him is nonsense but it's something you come to expect with Pakistani fans.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Kohli is carrying a decent batting lineup.

Babar is carrying nothing at all. He will start doing that once he starts winning matches on his own. Nobody is carrying the Pakistan batting lineup. Everyone is playing according to their own only.

Exactly.

Babar hasn't carried anything yet. Playing against a depleted windies team doesn't quite make the cut.

Kohli has in many matches carried the team to victory.

Give Babar some time to prove himself. He is a class player, and he will get opportunities to play in high pressure matches.

 

[Anis10]

Not even close, indias batting lineup is far better then our overs

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Kohli.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Kohli by a long way, this is a very poor ODI team without him.

 

[troodon]

Kohli by a long way, this is a very poor ODI team without him.

Can't judge based on this match. Toss is crucial. Ball is not doing much now. Hence Lankan batsmen are looking more comfortable.

 

[Saurav]

Kohli by a long way, this is a very poor ODI team without him.

Kohli wouldn't have done anything too in those conditions

But Karthik,Jadhav have no business playing .

 

[Azzurri]

India batting unit without kohli > Pakistani batting unit with babar

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Babar.

But Pak batting will improve alot with inclusion of Haris, Talat and Sarfraz moving up. Babar will feel better too. Right now he has to bat with Hafeez

 

[troodon]

Pak do not have batsmen of the calibre of Dhawan and Rohit.

So Babar is carrying the worst batting line up on his shoulders.

 

[Ab Fan]

Kohli isn't carrying a pathetic lineup but one has to notice that even with a decent lineup he is going on to winning most of the matches/series at home with mountains of runs coming from his bat and those runs make a lot of difference.

Babar is carrying a worse lineup but it is yet to be seen if he can make his team a really tough team to beat in UAE( their home) conditions or not. He has dominated against Lanka and WI and he should continue this against other top teams also. Then only this comparison can be considered fair.

 

[Ab Fan]

However in last few months, Kohli is playing with a worse lineup than what Pakistan has now. This is also true but only applicable for last few months.

Amir and Hasan Ali have added strength in their bowling.

 

[Sam99]

Seriously Kohli has Rohit who averages highest as opener in history of odi cricket (55+) Dhawan who averages 47, Dhoni can still finish most games. Just one bad match and making kohli look greatest. Lol even kohli would have failed on that pitch. Look at 1st innings when ball swinged against lakmal even he failed. India won without kohli vs aus in tests and odis. (which is alot better team compared to srilanka) Now Suppose even if kohli would have made 30 - 40 (i doubt he would have scored more than that on that pitch. India would have still lost with that bad bowling.

In this way India should loose ever match in which kohli fails. So Rohit, Dhawan are totally useless in team and do nothing?

 

[Tyler Durden]

No Kohli, Rohit failed! India wins with the support of Kuldeep, Chahal, Dhoni, Shreyas(new kid on the block) and Dhawan! No! This team doesn't rely on Kohli and No! He ain't carrying the worse batting line up.

 

[htariq25]

No Kohli, Rohit failed! India wins with the support of Kuldeep, Chahal, Dhoni, Shreyas(new kid on the block) and Dhawan! No! This team doesn't rely on Kohli and No! He ain't carrying the worse batting line up.

Spot on. Indian team without kohli is still world class.