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Why are Indians desperate for their bowler to cross the 160 Kph mark?

jeeteshssaxena said:
Why are you equating more wickets to being a better bowler?

Starc isn’t as good as Akhtar was in test, just because he played more doesn’t make him better.

By that logic you will also argue that Ishant Sharma was better than Akhtar.

As for Lee, he was a scattergun in test cricket who averaged 31 and that too when he had the best support a pacer can ever imagine.

Put Akhtar in the same team and he will wreak havoc as an enforcer.



I don’t know why these days people are taking longevity over actual quality.
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Why didn't Akhtar play more?

If a 179 wkts bowler is better than a 325 wickets Starc or Lee because he has better avg then Bumrah with 20.xx avg is the best Fast bowler ever from Asia and top 3 in the world?

Or

Do you think Akhtar is better than Kapil Dev?

Longevity has its own quality. If Akhtar had 300 test wickets we could talk, a bowler with less than 200 test wickets isn't in any comparison with someone having 300 test wickets.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Why didn't Akhtar play more?

If a 179 wkts bowler is better than a 325 wickets Starc or Lee because he has better avg then Bumrah with 20.xx avg is the best Fast bowler ever from Asia and top 3 in the world?

Or

Do you think Akhtar is better than Kapil Dev?

Longevity has its own quality. If Akhtar had 300 test wickets we could talk, a bowler with less than 200 test wickets isn't in any comparison with someone having 300 test wickets.
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WHat does shoaib and kapil comparison or who is better or not has to do with this thread?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Why didn't Akhtar play more?

If a 179 wkts bowler is better than a 325 wickets Starc or Lee because he has better avg then Bumrah with 20.xx avg is the best Fast bowler ever from Asia and top 3 in the world?

Or

Do you think Akhtar is better than Kapil Dev?

Longevity has its own quality. If Akhtar had 300 test wickets we could talk, a bowler with less than 200 test wickets isn't in any comparison with someone having 300 test wickets.
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What a dumb comparison but it is expected from you. Using this logic you can also put Azhar Ali over Sir Donald Bradman because Bradman had less than 7000 runs in test cricket. :genius

Akhtar's main aim was to bowl fast. He could have easily prolonged his career by becoming a line and length bowler like Bhuvaneshwar Kumar but he didn't. :inzi

Pyjama League lovers these days who can't even think beyond 4 overs can easily come here and make fun of Akhtar's stats but let these new kids play at least 10 tests before comparing them with Akhtar. Akhtar played 46 tests. :inti
 
BouncerGuy said:
WHat does shoaib and kapil comparison or who is better or not has to do with this thread?
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This is pretty strange. Some of them want to downplay Shoaib Akhtar but silently wants indian bowlers to bowl fast like him. We have been wanting a bowler like Shoaib Akhtar for more than 25 years now. Atul Sharma gave some hope, then came Umran Malik, and now its Mayank Yadav. We need a phaasht bowler who can represent us in 40+ tests at least. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
We have been wanting a bowler like Shoaib Akhtar for more than 25 years now.
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Lmao no "we" haven't. :uakmal


I know it feels good to imagine that Indians are/were desperate for a player like a Pakistani one but you could have just said Wasim or even Waqar lol. Shoaib Akhtar seriously? :ROFLMAO:

I mean I'm not surprised here. You were the same one who said "Every Indian wanted to be like Afridi" ahead of Sachin, Sehwag, Dravid, Yuvraj or Dhoni.
 
cricketjoshila said:
If.a 179 wkts bowler is better than a 325 wickets Starc or Lee because he has better avg then Bumrah with 20.xx avg is the best Fast bowler ever from Asia and top 3 in the world?
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Lol it's just funny to hear these comical arguments. Amazing how posters here conveniently change the goalposts as it suits them.

You have to be a special type of 🤡 to even think that Akhtar was a better test bowler tha. Starc or lee.
 
Mesozoic said:
Lol it's just funny to hear these comical arguments. Amazing how posters here conveniently change the goalposts as it suits them.

You have to be a special type of 🤡 to even think that Akhtar was a better test bowler tha. Starc or lee.
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I would take Akhtar over lee as a test bowler, lee averaged 31 despite playing half his matches in Australia and for that atg Australian team, he was a medicore test bowler
 
Saw the game. Lol .. this chap ain't the messiah, just another unfit phoney amongst the numerous pretenders that have popped up in the last decade.

Back to square one.
 
Statpadder Inc said:
I would take Akhtar over lee as a test bowler, lee averaged 31 despite playing half his matches in Australia and for that atg Australian team, he was a medicore test bowler
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A bowler who doesn't even have 200 test wickets isn't worth any comparison to one having 300 plus.

So you will take Akhtar over Kapil? Gillespie? Ntini?
 
RexRex said:
Saw the game. Lol .. this chap ain't the messiah, just another unfit phoney amongst the numerous pretenders that have popped up in the last decade.

Back to square one.
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You saw nothing.

What pretenders?
 
cricketjoshila said:
A bowler who doesn't even have 200 test wickets isn't worth any comparison to one having 300 plus.

So you will take Akhtar over Kapil? Gillespie? Ntini?
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David warner is better than Gary sobers because he scored more runs than him, wah.

Jayawardene is better than viv bcoz he scored more runs
 
With all respect this @cricketjoshila sounds like an angry little child trying to defend everything said against Indians, calm down man. You can have it all; best batsmen, best allrounders, quickest bowlers, best fielders, best spinners, best grounds, best 12th men, best curators, best politicians etc
 
Mesozoic said:
Lmao no "we" haven't. :uakmal


I know it feels good to imagine that Indians are/were desperate for a player like a Pakistani one but you could have just said Wasim or even Waqar lol. Shoaib Akhtar seriously? :ROFLMAO:

I mean I'm not surprised here. You were the same one who said "Every Indian wanted to be like Afridi" ahead of Sachin, Sehwag, Dravid, Yuvraj or Dhoni.
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Nope. It's just you making up stuff once again just like you always do when you have nothing else left to defend. Grow up.

And I know it hurts your ego pretty badly that how can Indians want a bowler like Shoaib Akhtar but that's how it was during those days. Let that sink in now. :inti
 
there will never be another lee or akhtar, there are not gonna be any bowlers risking bowling test spells at 150+ over a course of nearly 10 years when t20 cricket exists.

we might see someone doing it over a season or two, but its simply doesnt make sense as a long term career option anymore.
 
cricketjoshila said:
They are not.

Imran and Wasim are the most popular pakistani cricketers in India.

Khan was already popular in India before his political career. Infact his popularity has gone down after his political statements against India.

I don't know may be in Punjab Akhtar is popular, rest i haven't seen fans talking about Akhtar.
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I think you’re mixing up popularity/fame with respect.

Akhtar is extremely popular, but definitely not as well respected as Wasim/Imran.
 
@Major are you happy now that he may have picked up a long term injury and the 161kmh mark is safe with Pakistan?
 
Rana said:
@Major are you happy now that he may have picked up a long term injury and the 161kmh mark is safe with Pakistan?
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161.3kph, to be precise. Is this Mayank fellow poised to challenge that record? Because he'll need to endure a lot of pain if he aims to surpass it.

Sustaining injuries after just two T20 games won't cut it. Whatever one's opinion of Akhtar, his prowess in bowling many overs cannot be denied. He averaged about 16 and a half overs per Test inning, totaling approximately 33 overs per Test match on average, all at the blistering pace of 150 clicks.

Do that, and I'll call you an express pacer.
 
Hextro said:
161.3kph, to be precise. Is this Mayank fellow poised to challenge that record? Because he'll need to endure a lot of pain if he aims to surpass it.
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It’s one freak ball in the middle of a spell where the body is fully revved up.

Shoaib and Brett Lee were built different. They played an entire decade each always being 92-95mph bowler who in peak condition were going for 98+

But any bowler with express pace can, if it’s his moment bowl that one ball that hits 161.3
 
Rana said:
It’s one freak ball in the middle of a spell where the body is fully revved up.

Shoaib and Brett Lee were built different. They played an entire decade each always being 92-95mph bowler who in peak condition were going for 98+

But any bowler with express pace can, if it’s his moment bowl that one ball that hits 161.3
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Mayank clocked 156.7kph, which is quick but it's a stretch to single out this delivery as evidence of his potential to break the record. Why not consider other bowlers globally who have clocked even higher speeds than Mayank? Players like Lockie Ferguson, Anrich Nortje, and Starc, among others. Don't they possess that elusive 'one' ball too?

It wasn't just a solitary delivery. Shoaib bowled at various speeds during his record over: 153.3 kph, 158.4 kph, 158.5 kph, 157.4 kph, and 159.5 kph, with an average of 158.06 kph. If any bowler with express pace could reach 161.3, Akhtar wouldn't hold the record for the fastest ball.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Nope. It's just you making up stuff once again just like you always do when you have nothing else left to defend. Grow up
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Lol sunny... Don't make me dig now it you'll get embarassed as usual.


Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
And I know it hurts your ego pretty badly that how can Indians want a bowler like Shoaib Akhtar but that's how it was during those days. Let that sink in now. :inti
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What ego? Use your brain for once.. Aren't Wasim and Waqar Pakistanis? Where is my ego then?

Just don't try to force a run of the mill 178 Test wickets Shoaib Akhtar down our throats just because he makes you feel certain things. No-one really respects him here.. only memory most Indians have of Shoaib is him being on the verge of tears and running away from Sachin in his first spell in Centurion. It may hurt you, but it's the truth.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Why didn't Akhtar play more?

If a 179 wkts bowler is better than a 325 wickets Starc or Lee because he has better avg then Bumrah with 20.xx avg is the best Fast bowler ever from Asia and top 3 in the world?
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Lee wasn't a good test bowler.

His average is way too high in Tests to be considered a good Test bowler. Akhtar had better average with better memorable moments in Tests.

Starc is better than Akhtar in my opinion because his engine didn't die out at 170 wickets.
 
Major said:
So the Indian hype machine ends here.

Indian bowlers are like soda pop, shake them alittle they start to pop
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Indian bowlers who had experience of total less than 10 test matches breached the fortress Gabba but Pakistan fast bowler can't even won a single test match home entire session lol .
 
Major said:
So the Indian hype machine ends here.

Indian bowlers are like soda pop, shake them alittle they start to pop
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So u call pak phaast bowlers bowling 125 kmph asteroids in aus and nz as fit or u unfit?
 
Mesozoic said:
Lol sunny... Don't make me dig now it you'll get embarassed as usual.




What ego? Use your brain for once.. Aren't Wasim and Waqar Pakistanis? Where is my ego then?

Just don't try to force a run of the mill 178 Test wickets Shoaib Akhtar down our throats just because he makes you feel certain things. No-one really respects him here.. only memory most Indians have of Shoaib is him being on the verge of tears and running away from Sachin in his first spell in Centurion. It may hurt you, but it's the truth.
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You are more than welcome to dig now. I am waiting..... :inti
 
Mesozoic said:
Lol sunny... Don't make me dig now it you'll get embarassed as usual.




What ego? Use your brain for once.. Aren't Wasim and Waqar Pakistanis? Where is my ego then?

Just don't try to force a run of the mill 178 Test wickets Shoaib Akhtar down our throats just because he makes you feel certain things. No-one really respects him here.. only memory most Indians have of Shoaib is him being on the verge of tears and running away from Sachin in his first spell in Centurion. It may hurt you, but it's the truth.
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No one respects him in India lol? That's your ego right there. And Shoaib Akhtar got popular after he bowled Dravid and Sachin in two successive balls in Kolkata test in 1999. Install youtube and watch highlights of those matches. See what happened after he took those wickets. While you are at it, also watch videos of shows where Shoaib Akhtar was invited. :inti
 
The Indian friends I have are very fond of Shoaib Akhtar and are eager for someone to break his record. Lots of hype around Yadav even piping him to be in the WC squad
 
The IPL broadcasters did a poll and 65% indians want Mayank to break Shoaib Akhtar’s fastest delivery record in International cricket than to pick most wickets. Certainly years of insecurity when it comes to pace i guess. Subconcious mind.
 
Hextro said:
161.3kph, to be precise. Is this Mayank fellow poised to challenge that record? Because he'll need to endure a lot of pain if he aims to surpass it.

Sustaining injuries after just two T20 games won't cut it. Whatever one's opinion of Akhtar, his prowess in bowling many overs cannot be denied. He averaged about 16 and a half overs per Test inning, totaling approximately 33 overs per Test match on average, all at the blistering pace of 150 clicks.

Do that, and I'll call you an express pacer.
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Keep in mind he did this while being in physical pain.. knee injections, draining, etc. Absolute legend.
 
daytrader said:
The Indian friends I have are very fond of Shoaib Akhtar and are eager for someone to break his record. Lots of hype around Yadav even piping him to be in the WC squad
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I wont get in this discussion where children are teling eachother how strong their dads are, but it's a huge difference between bowling quick in 4 overs games and 10 overs games/Test matches. Quite insane what Akhtar, Lee, Starc etc kept doing for many years.
 
ethan hunt said:
The IPL broadcasters did a poll and 65% indians want Mayank to break Shoaib Akhtar’s fastest delivery record in International cricket than to pick most wickets. Certainly years of insecurity when it comes to pace i guess. Subconcious mind.
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But those thousands of fans do not represent the 3-4 indian posters here.
 
ethan hunt said:
The IPL broadcasters did a poll and 65% indians want Mayank to break Shoaib Akhtar’s fastest delivery record in International cricket than to pick most wickets. Certainly years of insecurity when it comes to pace i guess. Subconcious mind.
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see.

Told you, the desperation is quite there.
 
ethan hunt said:
The IPL broadcasters did a poll and 65% indians want Mayank to break Shoaib Akhtar’s fastest delivery record in International cricket than to pick most wickets. Certainly years of insecurity when it comes to pace i guess. Subconcious mind.
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Hmmm...So Indian fans were specifically asked in a poll whether they'd like an Indian bowler to break the speed record of a foreign bowler and they said yes.

Wow what a shocker. :vk1
 
Mesozoic said:
Hmmm...So Indian fans were specifically asked in a poll whether they'd like an Indian bowler to break the speed record of a foreign bowler and they said yes.

Wow what a shocker. :vk1
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They were asked to pick between Akhtar’s fastest delivery record or most wickets. 65 percent indians picked the fastest delivery over most wickets.
 
Major said:
see.

Told you, the desperation is quite there.
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People should just be honest and admit its exciting to watch pace and its fine to have insecurities.
I would love to see Sirajuddin or Ihsanullah bowling express pace in the future but untill they do it like that freak Akhtar who did it for that whole 2002-2004 season in test cricket in the heat of Pakistan. Clocking 96-98 mph in Lahore in Test cricket i really wouldn’t mention those guys in the same bracket. Its one thing to clock 150 plus in 4 overs of league cricket, quite another to do it in international cricket.
 
ethan hunt said:
They were asked to pick between Akhtar’s fastest delivery record or most wickets. 65 percent indians picked the fastest delivery over most wickets.
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Ipl fan base is different and their priorities are different. We.have lot of youngster's and kids as the franchise base.so u should not expect an answer from long term objective.
 
ethan hunt said:
The IPL broadcasters did a poll and 65% indians want Mayank to break Shoaib Akhtar’s fastest delivery record in International cricket than to pick most wickets. Certainly years of insecurity when it comes to pace i guess. Subconcious mind.
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No way this chap is this quick . To bowl 160 requires powerful legs & shoulders , which he doesn’t posses .

Also IPL speedguns can’t be taken seriously.

Let’s see him play test cricket abroad .
 
ethan hunt said:
The IPL broadcasters did a poll and 65% indians want Mayank to break Shoaib Akhtar’s fastest delivery record in International cricket than to pick most wickets. Certainly years of insecurity when it comes to pace i guess. Subconcious mind.
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I saw that poll, there was no mention of Akhtar though, it was about 160+ or Purple cap, which tbf is quite meaningless in the grand scheme of things. I mean Chahal currently holds that and nobody cares.


The hype about him is for his pace and that's how one would expect the voting to go with the IPL fans. For instance most of them chose Bravo over Muralidharan the other day
 
OldWarHorse said:
I saw that poll, there was no mention of Akhtar though, it was about 160+ or Purple cap, which tbf is quite meaningless in the grand scheme of things. I mean Chahal currently holds that and nobody cares.


The hype about him is for his pace and that's how one would expect the voting to go with the IPL fans. For instance most of them chose Bravo over Muralidharan the other day
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Yea.. they deliberately ask these stupid questions.
 
IAJ said:
I wont get in this discussion where children are teling eachother how strong their dads are, but it's a huge difference between bowling quick in 4 overs games and 10 overs games/Test matches. Quite insane what Akhtar, Lee, Starc etc kept doing for many years.
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I said the exact same thing. Let this new kid represent India in 10-20 tests before comparing him with Akhtar/Lee. But no, these pyjama league lovers will never learn. They will also call you jealous for stating the obvious. :inti
 
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why so much importance to a obvious troll post ? The whole cricketing World knows how many Tests have been won in last 10 years by tearaway pacers from PCB :hug
 
This article is from 2002 and this is for all the indian cricket fans who started watching cricket after Modi became India's PM. :inti

Shoaib: No. 1 in Indian fans’ popularity list​

Author:
By S.K. Sham, Special to Arab News
Publication Date:
Thu, 2002-05-09 03:00
BOMBAY, 3 May — There isn’t any need for setting up a mutual admiration society between the leading cricketers of India and Pakistan. Over the years, although the exchanges have not been as many as might have been desired, their stars have endeared themselves to the fans in either country as greatly as they have to the players themselves.
Hanif Mohammad had a legion of admirers when he visited India with the first Pakistani team in 1952-53. His reputation as the world’s best opener had preceded him and he was mobbed everywhere.

Then came the likes of Imran Khan and Javed Miandad. Debonair Imran, an all-rounder of no mean merit in world cricket, was an instant hit. Miandad, who took on an image of a street-fighter on account of his antics on the field, had a great following. He was a staunchly committed team man and yet mixed freely with the rival players after a hard day’s work on the field. He remains many former player’s favorite when it comes to reeling off interesting anecdotes.

Today, the number one Pakistani player on the Indian popularity list is Shoaib Akhtar. The man with the fastest bowling arm ever in the history of the game, has now gathered even more admirers after being timed at 161 kph (a shade over 100 miles an hour), a speed at which a cricket ball had never been delivered before.

Even before recording this stupendous feat in a recent one-dayer against New Zealand, Akhtar was on top of the charts in India, and surely must be in other countries as well. This, despite the fact that when Pakistan last played in India (in 1999), Shoaib was the main tormentor of Sachin Tendulkar.
Amongst the millions of cricket fans, who may be said to be members of the Shoaib Akhtar Fan Club, are a couple of young film stars, Sonali Bendre and Tabu. But the greatest compliment ever paid to the "Rawalpindi Express" came from the most loved Indian, Sachin Tendulkar.

In an intimate interview when he was honored for completing 30 centuries in One-Day Internationals, Tendulkar had openly admitted that he found Shoaib Akhtar to be the most difficult bowler to face. "He is not only genuinely fast, but he bowls very straight on a line which no batsman finds comfortable to negotiate."

The tearaway fast bowler who has been only four years in international cricket has already made history of sorts. While most fast bowlers follow their inspirational images in the reigning heroes of the day, Shoaib Akhtar had set his own bowling style and pursued the same passionately.

He came at a time when the pace bowling slots were already heavily crowded. He had to squeeze his way into the Pakistan team at first, when injuries kept either Wasim Akram or Waqar Younis out. But he was soon to earn his rightful place.
Then came the twin-trouble in the form of injuries and suspicion about his bowling action. The Australians, in particular, who had to bear the brunt of his awesome pace, did a Muralitharan on him. Like they had done the Sri Lanka off-spinner, they branded Akhtar a "chucker."

Last year, Akhtar had faced a most embarrassing situation. When he had arrived in Australia with the touring Pakistan team, he was prevented from playing as the ICC Committee of Throwing had confirmed that his bowling action violated the definition on what constituted a fair delivery. He left in a huff and had decided to take a few days rest at Perth to cool his tempers and swallow his insult.
Then came a timely intervention from the ICC President Jagmohan Dalmiya. He refused to accept the recommendation of the ICC committee and under the powers bestowed on him, as the then ICC chief, he set it aside and advised Akhtar to join his team. There was large-scale criticism of Dalmiya in the Australian and British media, but there was nothing anyone could do.

That is the time that Akhtar showed the world who was the first name in the fast lane, even though the Australians boasted that Brett Lee was the fastest in the world. Shoaib Akhtar’s delivery recorded on April 27 now leaves no one in doubt about the 27-year-old Pakistani bowler’s status of being the fastest bowler the world of cricket has seen.
Before the Brett Lee-Shoaib Akhtar clash, Australia’s Jeff Thomson was credited with the fastest delivery ever recorded, at 100 miles an hour. Long before that, the undivided India’s Muhammad Nissar had been said to have recorded deliveries ranging from 96 to 98 miles an hour while in England in 1936.

One must, however, admit that the devices at the time of Nissar and even Thomson were not as sophisticated as the laser-beam speed-guns that are used these days.

The Cybernet Inc. which recorded that April 27 Akhtar delivery had this to say:

The Speed Radar Gun was imported from the United States. This Speed Radar Gun is called "Stalker Sport" which is used for measuring ball speed in all sorts of international sports.
The Speed Radar Gun was used in all the three One-Day Internationals played in Pakistan. The accuracy of the Speed Radar Gun is authentic and reliable, as it can be tested with an internationally used speed checking device.

In the third One-Day International at Lahore our Speed Radar Gun showed Shoaib Akhtar’s delivery at 161 kph in his second over.

Now there should not be any doubts raised about Akhtar’s bowling action, whether anyone likes it or not. And that is not only because of the authenticity about his fastest ball.

According to the Pakistan Cricket Board, the ICC has confirmed that Stage 2 in the case of Shoaib Akhtar is to be concluded. This is based upon the UWA (University of Western Australia) report of Dec. 5, 2001, wherein it is stated the "Akhtar was born with an abnormal upper limb (bowling arm). This limb will always give the impression of an unorthodox position during delivery" and that, "no amount of practice or technique training can modify these two anatomical characteristics" and that, "Akhtar should be permitted to bowl for Pakistan without further concern as to his action".
The ICC will now circulate the UWA report to all international panel umpires and referees, asking them to pay particular attention to the report.
In case Shoaib is called again, Stage 3 will be invoked and the full medical evidence placed before the ICC Bowling Review Group, for its final decision. Shoaib will be free to play international cricket unless banned by the ICC Bowling Review Group.

So, the world’s fastest bowler is born free again to pursue his art without the manmade claptrap of defining and redefining what constitutes a fair delivery. One is thus looking forward to June when Brett Lee and Shoaib Akhtar will clash once again. Come September and a more eagerly-awaited spectacle will be seen when Sachin Tendulkar faces up to Akhtar again after a gap of more than three years. Both have gained tremendously in their status in the intervening period.
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OldWarHorse said:
True.. But wonder why Akhtar was brought into it when he wasn't even part of the poll
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So express space doesn't matter if you're a spray gun. Doesn't matter if you hemorrhage runs and you are leaking prolifically , you still need a fast bowl to be bowling good speeds but in the right areas and kind of putting the pressure on the batsman but it doesn't help if you're just focusing on the pace . Brett Lee was a really fun example of this - he bowled fast in the right areas and was not just solely focused on pace which akhtar was about - so this focus on just pace is just ridiculous anyone over 140 kph if they bowl consistently in the right areas he would become a really good bowler. For all the pace that Akhtar had he was hammered by the Aussies the proteas and the Indians whereas Brett Lee was a much more successful bowler
 
RexRex said:
Indians here who say they don't want an Akhtar style tear away bowler are just lying.
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Afraid you can't really speak for others . Express bowlers, even the best of them, are liabilities in Test cricket imo.

Id rather have Cummins, McGrath, Steyn in an attack than any express bowler.

There may be a case for an express bowler in ODI cricket .
 
deltexas said:
So express space doesn't matter if you're a spray gun. Doesn't matter if you hemorrhage runs and you are leaking prolifically , you still need a fast bowl to be bowling good speeds but in the right areas and kind of putting the pressure on the batsman but it doesn't help if you're just focusing on the pace . Brett Lee was a really fun example of this - he bowled fast in the right areas and was not just solely focused on pace which akhtar was about - so this focus on just pace is just ridiculous anyone over 140 kph if they bowl consistently in the right areas he would become a really good bowler. For all the pace that Akhtar had he was hammered by the Aussies the proteas and the Indians whereas Brett Lee was a much more successful bowler
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What rubbish. Akhtar won Pakistan at least 3 test matches single handedly against the Proteas and who can forget kolkatta. Often was Pak’s best bowler bs Australia. Wonder where this last line comes from?
 
ethan hunt said:
What rubbish. Akhtar won Pakistan at least 3 test matches single handedly against the Proteas and who can forget kolkatta. Often was Pak’s best bowler bs Australia. Wonder where this last line comes from?
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He was poor against Aus and Ind. Watched a lot of his games live. Against Ind - only that test where he got Sachin and Dravid but otherwise pretty mediocre. He way underachieved. And its not rubbish that Brett Lee was a way more successful bowler than Akhtar . He got a thrashing in all the Aus test series down under.
 
Rana said:
It’s one freak ball in the middle of a spell where the body is fully revved up.

Shoaib and Brett Lee were built different. They played an entire decade each always being 92-95mph bowler who in peak condition were going for 98+

But any bowler with express pace can, if it’s his moment bowl that one ball that hits 161.3
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No they cannot. Lol.

Its very easy to talk, than actually do it.

Bowling 160+ kph is like running a sprint. No matter how hard you try, to be able to beat the record of someone like Usain Bolt you need to train harder and keep looking for your energy spots to be able to get that few metrics advantage.

Akhtar worked his butt off to become the fastest or to break the barrier. He didnt just wake up to bowl that ball.

For years Pakistan held trials where the fastest delivery gets attention and gets selected for the camp. There are many thousand guys who try and every single one of them put full effort in just one ball and still cant get to that mark.

Someone like Shaun Tait, who was a magnificent bowler, even he was missing the record only by a few kms. Many of us were convinced he would break Akhtar's record but each time he was off by a very thin margin.

It maybe one freak ball, but it has made a country of over billion to take a u-turn on there stance on fast bowling and desperate to achieve this record.
 
Major said:
No they cannot. Lol.

Its very easy to talk, than actually do it.

Bowling 160+ kph is like running a sprint. No matter how hard you try, to be able to beat the record of someone like Usain Bolt you need to train harder and keep looking for your energy spots to be able to get that few metrics advantage.

Akhtar worked his butt off to become the fastest or to break the barrier. He didnt just wake up to bowl that ball.

For years Pakistan held trials where the fastest delivery gets attention and gets selected for the camp. There are many thousand guys who try and every single one of them put full effort in just one ball and still cant get to that mark.

Someone like Shaun Tait, who was a magnificent bowler, even he was missing the record only by a few kms. Many of us were convinced he would break Akhtar's record but each time he was off by a very thin margin.

It maybe one freak ball, but it has made a country of over billion to take a u-turn on there stance on fast bowling and desperate to achieve this record.
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Yes it’s very easy to talk about bowling a freak ball? Your argument makes no sense.
 
Major said:
I find it odd that over the years we have seen how the paroosi posters have defended having accurate line and length bowlers, and where some have have mocked Pakistani bowlers for trying to bowl at extreme pace where some posters have even said it to be useless.

Yet, the Indian hype for their new incoming bowlers seems to be quite interesting.

It started from Atul Sharma, when the whole Indian media went crazy and posters at that time claimed that he was faster than Akhtar as he had bowled some really quick deliveries in the nets. But than Atul Sharma vanished in to thin air.

Than in recent months we heard about Umran Malik, a few Joshillay cricket fans went crazy and started to even defend that Umran had been bowling 155+ kph in the nets and will be crossing 160 kph soon in international cricket. Yet, the guy was sent back to domestic cricket after getting hit for runs.

Now comes a bowler called Mayank Yadav, and the hype machine is at it again, where every Indian fan is going crazy and are saying he will break the 160kph mark etc.

Whats with the desperation, why not stay happy with a bowler that can atleast bowl you 150KPh consistently?

To me it turns out that all these three bowlers have the hidden desires of our parosis, who always wanted express pacers but never admitted it. Yet when they see one in India, they go crazy like teenage fan girls.
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There is no deperation like that. India are happy with good bowlers like bumrah, shami, siraj etc.
Desperation is for developing complete fast bowlers. Just look at the fastest delivery of shoaib akhtar, it had no impact on the batsman and even on the viewer's eyes.
 
Jazx said:
There is no deperation like that. India are happy with good bowlers like bumrah, shami, siraj etc.
Desperation is for developing complete fast bowlers. Just look at the fastest delivery of shoaib akhtar, it had no impact on the batsman and even on the viewer's eyes.
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Probably the most useless stat in cricket lol If you talk about 300 runs in ODI, 200 runs in T20, 500 wicket sin Tests then it has some meaning, context lol Ii can't believe that anyone would take clock speeds seriously as t measured 100000s of balls over the year.
 
Jazx said:
There is no deperation like that. India are happy with good bowlers like bumrah, shami, siraj etc.
Desperation is for developing complete fast bowlers. Just look at the fastest delivery of shoaib akhtar, it had no impact on the batsman and even on the viewer's eyes.
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the impact it had was there to see when dravid and tendulkar lost to him back to back
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Probably the most useless stat in cricket lol If you talk about 300 runs in ODI, 200 runs in T20, 500 wicket sin Tests then it has some meaning, context lol Ii can't believe that anyone would take clock speeds seriously as t measured 100000s of balls over the year.
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the most useless, yet every indian cricket page is posting about how close mayank is to the record and how he can cross the final frontier.

most useless, yet want to break it.

You lot ended up showing your true colors. In the first page you lot denied, and by the third page you lot expose yourself by still bashing akhtar and his pace
 
Major said:
the most useless, yet every indian cricket page is posting about how close mayank is to the record and how he can cross the final frontier.

most useless, yet want to break it.

You lot ended up showing your true colors. In the first page you lot denied, and by the third page you lot expose yourself by still bashing akhtar and his pace
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Show me one reputed place where this iis being discussed. It is an useless stat even if Mayank crosses. What is the benefit to the team by achievinig that speed. Tell me.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Show me one reputed place where this iis being discussed. It is an useless stat even if Mayank crosses. What is the benefit to the team by achievinig that speed. Tell me.
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www.indiatoday.in

IPL 2024: Yuzvendra Chahal backs Mayank Yadav to touch 160k in near future

IPL 2024: Rajasthan spinner Yuzvendra Chahal lauded LSG fast bowling sensation Mayank Yadav. Chahal backed the speedster to break the 160k barrier in the near future. Mayank has already bowled the fastest ball of the IPL 2024.
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in

cricketaddictor.com

Mayank Yadav backed by Yuzvendra Chahal to match Shoaib Akhtar, Brett Lee in this aspect

Yuzvendra Chahal is eager to see Mayank Yadav clock in at 160 in the near future and claimed that it is good to see a bowler like take center stage with such raw and daunting pace
cricketaddictor.com cricketaddictor.com
 
In terms of sheer spectacle - nothing beats a fast bowler's runup and terror that he can conjure up in a batsman's mind. And Shoaib Akhtar embodied that.

Sometimes it is not always about the records - there are intangibles like the excitement, fun, fear, anticipation etc., and Shoaib delivered them more often than not. And he had that universal appeal which of course includes plenty of Indians. It is not a question of arguing whether he was better or inferior to any Indian bowler. This is merely acknowledging the fact that he had a certain "wow" factor which very few bowlers had.
 
Major said:
www.indiatoday.in

IPL 2024: Yuzvendra Chahal backs Mayank Yadav to touch 160k in near future

IPL 2024: Rajasthan spinner Yuzvendra Chahal lauded LSG fast bowling sensation Mayank Yadav. Chahal backed the speedster to break the 160k barrier in the near future. Mayank has already bowled the fastest ball of the IPL 2024.
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in

cricketaddictor.com

Mayank Yadav backed by Yuzvendra Chahal to match Shoaib Akhtar, Brett Lee in this aspect

Yuzvendra Chahal is eager to see Mayank Yadav clock in at 160 in the near future and claimed that it is good to see a bowler like take center stage with such raw and daunting pace
cricketaddictor.com cricketaddictor.com
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Yuzi Chahal mentionied about fastest ball of the IPL. where is obsession with crossing AKhtar here? He is yet to cross fastest ball of IPL. He is still in 3rd or 4th spot.
 
I guess pace is pace yaar lol 😂.
Some things never change. Pace without control or brains is cannon fodder..
 
At the age of 21 maintaining that speed is going to be insanely hard. He needs to continue working on his fitness, strength, flexibility.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
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Again read my post.. Crossing 160kph and beating Akhtar's fastest ball record (which seems to be even higher) are two entirely different things aren't they?

No one mentioned Akhtar in the poll, no one even mentioned his record delivery, they just discussed if Mayank can break into 160kph...where's Akhtar in all of this?? Is he the only one at 160kph or above?
 
I think Indians only want their bowlers to cross the 160 kph barrier just to satisfy their ego so they can bash Pakistan bowlers later on by calling them trundlers and turtle paced etc. Crossing 160 is never the standard for a bowler, being able to use whatever pace he has and dismantle batting line-up all over the world matters the most.
 
OldWarHorse said:
Again read my post.. Crossing 160kph and beating Akhtar's fastest ball record (which seems to be even higher) are two entirely different things aren't they?

No one mentioned Akhtar in the poll, no one even mentioned his record delivery, they just discussed if Mayank can break into 160kph...where's Akhtar in all of this?? Is he the only one at 160kph or above?
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Please don't mind..Our neighbours have this age old habit of making it all about them when it really isn't. But I guess this constant attention seeking is needed to make up for their "other shortcomings"..? :)

Australia has three bowlers who who have crossed the 160 KPH mark but you don't see their fans dancing around shouting things like "Why are Indians so obsessed with breaking our record"?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Longevity has its own quality. If Akhtar had 300 test wickets we could talk, a bowler with less than 200 test wickets isn't in any comparison with someone having 300 test wickets.
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Andy Roberts has 202 wickets, that is 24 more than Akhtar and he is still rated way higher than both Lee and Starc.

If Shoaib had 78 wickets I would understand your logic but 178 is a good enough sample size.

As I said Lee avgd 31 despite playing in an ATG team , Akhtar would have been a revelation had he played under a better management.

Starc is not in express category, he bowls in low 140s now and was never consistently above 150.

Also Starc vs Akhtar is close but Id still take Akhtar just like how I would take Roberts ahead of Starc
 
OldWarHorse said:
Again read my post.. Crossing 160kph and beating Akhtar's fastest ball record (which seems to be even higher) are two entirely different things aren't they?

No one mentioned Akhtar in the poll, no one even mentioned his record delivery, they just discussed if Mayank can break into 160kph...where's Akhtar in all of this?? Is he the only one at 160kph or above?
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Most of the fans associate 160kph with Akhtar. Not sure why you are getting hurt here? :inti
 
Not sure why 160 kph is even associated with Akhtar.

I believe Lee crossed 160 kph more often than Akhtar in international cricket.
 
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