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Why did Rahul Dravid declare when Sachin Tendulkar was on 194 not out?

praveen said:
Well said.

We should look at it like 6 extra runs to the total or 2 good overs at the opponent before close of play?

Its a tough call and i'm guessing Rahul might have thought of it the above way.
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Then why not declare when Tendulkar was on 160 ?

Ask yourself 34 more runs or 10 more overs to have a go at Pakistani batsmen ?

We can do this all day and night .
 
kerala porotta said:
wont change anything.. but in perspective of a batsmen it would have been an achievement to score 200 away against your arch rivals...rahul robbed him off that
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Wont have made much of a difference either if Dravid declared his innings at 199* instead of 270 , Pakistan suffered a heavy defeat anyways.

Why bother scoring 71 useless runs when we could have ended the match in 3 days instead of 4 .
 
ahamedirshad123 said:
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Chart clearly tells that our run rate went down when sachin was nearing 50 or 100 or 150 :)))

selfish little player

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eradicator said:
Then why not declare when Tendulkar was on 160 ?

Ask yourself 34 more runs or 10 more overs to have a go at Pakistani batsmen ?

We can do this all day and night .
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:facepalm:

We dont their plan right..
We might had plans to give 20 overs for pakistan.
Selfish teenda took additional 4 overs
 
Dravid was just jealous that he couldnt get into double figures and the likes of Sehwag/Tendulkar were notching Triple/Double centuries .

Zero contribution made by Dravid in that match apart from this jealous decision .
 
Dravid should have let Tendulkar bat for a few more overs. 8-10 overs at the end of the days play are more than enough and appropriate time to have a go at the opposition .India still managed to get 16 overs which i think shows that there was no need to show urgency to declare .
 
King Cobra said:
Dravid was just jealous that he couldnt get into double figures and the likes of Sehwag/Tendulkar were notching Triple/Double centuries .

Zero contribution made by Dravid in that match apart from this jealous decision .
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probably you are right about this match , but Dravid wont bottle under pressure unlike teenda :sachin
 
kerala porotta said:
Name a finals dravid has won us
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I cant remember the finals dravid for us , but i can easily give the finals where sachin baba choked :D

Do you really want me to open the performance of sachin in finals ?? :sachin
barring desert storm , and the last cb series :D
 
all the finals tendu choked dravid was also a part in most of them wonder why he dint step up.

And who was it that took us till the finals??
 
Yar he felt like doing it, he did it, they played for number of years after that "blasphemy", they made up and here we are still at it
 
kerala porotta said:
all the finals tendu choked dravid was also a part in most of them wonder why he dint step up.

And who was it that took us till the finals??
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Are we arguing who is the best odi player , if yes i would have sachin over dravid. :19:

But it doesnt make sachin a team player. :)
Coming back to OP , in case if sachin cried after dravid declared at 194 , swhwag might have offered him some issue papers. :)))

Sachinstas obsession with records deserves a separate smiley :zaka
 
velu said:
Are we arguing who is the best odi player , if yes i would have sachin over dravid. :19:

But it doesnt make sachin a team player. :)
Coming back to OP , in case if sachin cried after dravid declared at 194 , swhwag might have offered him some issue papers. :)))

Sachinstas obsession with records deserves a separate smiley :zaka
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We are not arguing about anything i just replied to your post when you called him a choker..

and sachin being the best ODI player than dravid is a known fact..but it just doesn't end with ODI....

And am Far from a sachinista all i am doing here is replying to some of the posts if it makes me a Schinista so be it
 
velu said:
i dont think this innings add any value to sachin :D
looking at the scorecard sehwag migth have scored 200 :Sachin
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Wonder why other batsmen could not score a 100 then... the like of sangakara both the jays and most imply Dravid
 
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eradicator said:
Because Dravid is a team man and hence contributed with 39 while non-team man contributed with a century .
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He is a team man, thats why he opened the innings in this series and Champions Trophy, in the absence of Sehwag. To play on a bounce wicket, BCCI recalled him in ODIs (but only for two series)
 
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ahamedirshad123 said:
He is a team man, thats why he opened the innings in this series and Champions Trophy, in the absence of Sehwag. To play on a bounce wicket, BCCI recalled him in ODIs (but only for two series)
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No doubt in that . Just that everyone plays for the team .
 
kerala porotta said:
Wonder why other batsmen could not score a 100 then... the like of sangakara both the jays and most imply Dravid
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i didnt mean it was a bad innings :13:
he played far more better innings than that , take that centurion :19:
 
Sachin , sachinstas and sachin fans should not talk about team . :D
I can show an innings of him in WC where he took 5 odd overs to score a single to move from 99 to 100..
 
kerala porotta said:
In a pakistani forum you say a word in support of sachin what does that make you??

:13:
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Even I will surely post few of our best moments if you open a thread about sachins top 5 or top 10 innings. :19:

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I am just bothered about sachinstas bombarding dravid at this time because of their sachin baba worship.
 
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velu said:
he was in poor form and so he came at 4 , it was not something like he moved down out of team interests :D
take tests , everyone before and after him move up so that he can come at 4 :sachin
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he was not at all in poor form before the wc of 03 during the natwest tri series he had 2 centuries batting in at num 4...ganguly was not willing to sacrifise his opening slot he asked sachin to bat down and it was after match against Aus at 03 wc when we got spanked and after dalmiya interfered he moved down to num 3

And 07 wc we all know what happened dravid along with G.chapel thought sachin would be more useful at 4 what a brilliant move that turned out to be...Bang up job there
 
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velu said:
Sachin , sachinstas and sachin fans should not talk about team . :D
I can show an innings of him in WC where he took 5 odd overs to score a single to move from 99 to 100..
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And India lost right ?

Let him take 30 overs from moving from 99 to 100 , how did the team suffer ?
 
eradicator said:
And India lost right ?

Let him take 30 overs from moving from 99 to 100 , how did the team suffer ?
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You lost it here buddy :19:.

If someone is extra extra extra careful for the sake of making a century , then he is not playing for himself and not for the team. :D
If someone is not playing for the team , then he can be called as selfish. :19:
 
velu said:
You lost it here buddy :19:.

If someone is extra extra extra careful for the sake of making a century , then he is not playing for himself and not for the team. :D
If someone is not playing for the team , then he can be called as selfish. :19:
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lol

So 1 century out of 99 takes some extra time in which the match doesnt suffer at all and it makes Tendulkar selfish ?
 
velu said:
It was against kenya and its in WCs i guess.. Will get it for you
I was a sachin fan at that time
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only time he scored a 100 against kenya in a WC was during 99 and and that too he played the very next day after he lost his father if he took his own time to reach from 99-100 then so be it he put the request of a nation in front before his personal matters
 
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eradicator said:
lol

So 1 century out of 99 takes some extra time in which the match doesnt suffer at all and it makes Tendulkar selfish ?
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eradicator said:
And India lost right ?

Let him take 30 overs from moving from 99 to 100 , how did the team suffer ?
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I think if you have the criteria like the bolded part , we never agree anything about what is selfish and what is not . :sachin
 
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eradicator said:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65207.html

That match is another gem . Look at the S/R difference between that of a Team Man and Non-Team Man .
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I agree this is a gem of an innings considering he lost his father.

But this is pathetic way of arguing.
If a player fix 1 match out of 100 , he will be termed as fixer even if he didnt fix the other 99. :asif
All players are not the same and sachin got what he deserves.

Again we will never end up agreeing about whether he is selfish or not.
 
velu said:
I agree this is a gem of an innings considering he lost his father.

But this is pathetic way of arguing.
If a player fix 1 match out of 100 , he will be termed as fixer even if he didnt fix the other 99. :asif
All players are not the same and sachin got what he deserves.

Again we will never end up agreeing about whether he is selfish or not.
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I showed scorecard for this match because Kerala Porotta thought you were talking about this match , coincidentally this match is one of the evidence why Sachin is the most loved and respected Man in India .

BTW , you are equating fixing with slow play in one of the match , not a proper comparison .
 
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eradicator said:
I showed scorecard for this match because Kerala Porotta thought you were talking about this match , coincidentally this match is one of the evidence why Sachin is the most loved and respected Man in India .

BTW , you are equating fixing with slow play in one of the match , not a proper comparison .
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About first point , i didnt refer this match.
I will surely check and post it , it was his 127* IIRC.

I am not equating fixing to selfish , i am merely pointing out in a much simpler way , bcoz you have totally different criteria.
 
Namak_Halaal said:
Oh come on, one blue moon result doesn't change a habit.

Compaq cup final? Oh my.




Against Kenya? Ho ho ho!
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Yes just against Kenya but those who have seen it can remember the atmosphere that surrounded this game and emotions which were running high due to sudden death of Tendulkar's father but much to delight of every Indian at that time he quickly performed the last rites of his father and was back to his job within no time .............. probably all this is too much to be understood by a jealous and heartless neighbour :))
 
kerala porotta said:
only time he scored a 100 against kenya in a WC was during 99 and and that too he played the very next day after he lost his father if he took his own time to reach from 99-100 then so be it he put the request of a nation in front before his personal matters
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But not in 2011 in England when SRT skipped practise to attend a tribute for his father. Or on the same tour SRT went home after the 1st innings at Lord's, abandoning his team, because he didn't score his 100.

Yes, it's tough to play when you lose a loved one, but then which selfish player would pass on a bashing opportunity against Kenya?
 
Namak_Halaal said:
Oh come on, one blue moon result doesn't change a habit.

agreed he fails to deliver durng the finals but there are 10 others in the team who can step up apart from yuvraj and kaif and the recently concluded wc finals the other 10 players have too done nothing
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lol... honestly i think it was miscommunication.. perhaps captain coach let everyone know that they will let pak bat the last 20~25 overs but sachin let them know that he will try to get his 200. then when yuvraj got out sachin wasn't expecting them to declare thinking he had stated his intent, yet since only 16overs were remaining captain/coach thought we should declare, since that was the plan, and so they did.
 
Namak_Halaal said:
But not in 2011 in England when SRT skipped practise to attend a tribute for his father. Or on the same tour SRT went home after the 1st innings at Lord's, abandoning his team, because he didn't score his 100.

Yes, it's tough to play when you lose a loved one, but then which selfish player would pass on a bashing opportunity against Kenya?
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what the he might have skipped practise but he batted low down the second innings dont know from where you assumed he went home
 
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eradicator said:
Yes just against Kenya but those who have seen it can remember the atmosphere that surrounded this game and emotions which were running high due to sudden death of Tendulkar's father but much to delight of every Indian at that time he quickly performed the last rites of his father and was back to his job within no time .............. probably all this is too much to be understood by a jealous and heartless neighbour :))
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Let's not forget the other Kenya innings cited by you in this thread.:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65161.html

Did SRT's Goldfish pass away then?

Like Velu said, it's pathetic (and desperate) to use someone's death as an attempt to prove one is not selfish.
 
IMO if the plan was not shared with Sachin beforehand (whether at the start of the day or the session) that they want PAK to bat a few overs, it was damn evil of Dravid of declaring. But it's almost impossible that this information was unknown to Sachin. In fact, India was batting very quickly near the end as everyone is saying here which points out that the batsmen did infact know that the team is planning on declaring. It was just a case of Sachin not being quick enough knowing the plans.

The only reason he was shocked was cuz he was 6 runs away. Can't blame Dravid I think, sachin should've gotten there a bit quicker.
 
kerala porotta said:
what the he might have skipped practise but he batted low down the second innings dont know from where you assumed he went home
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It was right after the 1st innings at Lord's, SRT went home (in London) due to an alledged 'bug'. This is why he batted lower down the order in the next innngs as he could not start up the order given the time he was away.

Here's some news of his prep on that tour

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cr...gland-series-in-search-for-100-centuries.html
 
zulfiqar said:
IMO if the plan was not shared with Sachin beforehand (whether at the start of the day or the session) that they want PAK to bat a few overs, it was damn evil of Dravid of declaring. But it's almost impossible that this information was unknown to Sachin. In fact, India was batting very quickly near the end as everyone is saying here which points out that the batsmen did infact know that the team is planning on declaring. It was just a case of Sachin not being quick enough knowing the plans.

The only reason he was shocked was cuz he was 6 runs away. Can't blame Dravid I think, sachin should've gotten there a bit quicker.
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i agreed there must have a communication gap..yuvraj was starting toplay his shots maybe that was why sachin was just stroking here and there for single.. But Dravid should have sent a message clearly to tendulkar if he had it would have just been matter of 3 balls max to get those 6 runs for him
 
Namak_Halaal said:
it's pathetic (and desperate) to use someone's death as an attempt to prove one is not selfish.
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Likewise pathetic to say someone is selfish just because he wasnt with the team after the first innings , the real reason behind which was that Sachin was ill .

Your info is completely out of the way Lad .
 
eradicator said:
Likewise pathetic to say someone is selfish just because he wasnt with the team after the first innings , the real reason behind which was that Sachin was ill .
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:)))

If you say so! So ill, he returned for the second innings.
 
Namak_Halaal said:
Let's not forget the other Kenya innings cited by you in this thread.:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65161.html

Did SRT's Goldfish pass away then?

Like Velu said, it's pathetic (and desperate) to use someone's death as an attempt to prove one is not selfish.
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there was a match when a.razaak had to play against India immediatly after he lost his father he dint score much considering he used to smash Indian bolwing attack during the tri nations in AUS...All i am saying is it is not easy to play let alone score runs after you have experienced an sudden tragedy

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65783.html
 
kerala porotta said:
there was a match when a.razaak had to play against India immediatly after he lost his father he dint score much considering he used to smash Indian bolwing attack during the tri nations in AUS...All i am saying is it is not easy to play let alone score runs after you have experienced an sudden tragedy
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100% agreed. Not disputing this.

But come on, in so many innings all that was cited were 2 x Kenya and 1 Compaq Cup final innings? I'd have thought there'd be many SRT innings to choose from.

Doesn't this prove Velu's point?
 
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Namak_Halaal said:
It was right after the 1st innings at Lord's, SRT went home (in London) due to an alledged 'bug'. This is why he batted lower down the order in the next innngs as he could not start up the order given the time he was away.

Here's some news of his prep on that tour

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cr...gland-series-in-search-for-100-centuries.html
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His house was directly behind the lords stadium not a big deal he decided to take rest there....

He was touring Eng for the 4th time he was very much used to the condition or he thought so
 
Namak_Halaal said:
:)))

If you say so! So ill, he returned for the second innings.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jul/24/india-sachin-tendulkar-first-test

When Sachin Tendulkar is suffering from a virus the whole of India is debilitated. Tendulkar has not taken the field at the start of the fourth day at Lord's and that is bound to cause consternation throughout the nation.

Tendulkar is "under medical supervision" but he is expected to field later as England build on their first-innings lead of 188

Tendulkar also took time off the field during India's warm-up match against Somerset at Taunton,
 
eradicator said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jul/24/india-sachin-tendulkar-first-test

When Sachin Tendulkar is suffering from a virus the whole of India is debilitated. Tendulkar has not taken the field at the start of the fourth day at Lord's and that is bound to cause consternation throughout the nation.

Tendulkar is "under medical supervision" but he is expected to field later as England build on their first-innings lead of 188

Tendulkar also took time off the field during India's warm-up match against Somerset at Taunton,
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Guardian doesn't speculate, it printed what was told by BCCI offcials. Cough cough.

SRT so badly wanted to score his 100th 100 at Lord's, so much so, a miracle cure was found for his 'viral' infection.
 
Namak_Halaal said:
100% agreed. Not disputing this.

But come on, in so many innings all that was cited were 2 x Kenya and 1 Compaq Cup final innings? I'd have thought there'd be many SRT innings to choose from.

Doesn't this prove Velu's point?
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There are couple more if you want i can send u the link too..but like i told he failed during the 03 wc when it counted but there were the likes of sehwag ganguly dravid who should have atleast put upa fight

Even 07 wc sachin went for a duck against SL he was batting 2 down..but then again there was dhoni and dravid who should have done something all i am saying is when sachin gets out in the final others follow him very shortly
 
Sachin's ODI centuries and some little analysis by a jobless guy. :D
Sachins century to win ratio is still poor. :(

Sachin-Centuries-Infograph-Final.jpg
 
velu said:
Sachin's ODI centuries and some little analysis by a jobless guy. :D
Sachins century to win ratio is still poor. :(

Sachin-Centuries-Infograph-Final.jpg
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still waiting for your link to show when tendu took 5 overs to score 1 run from 99-100 against the mighty kenyans :D
 
kerala porotta said:
still waiting for your link to show when tendu took 5 overs to score 1 run from 99-100 against the mighty kenyans :D
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I can bet my house , in scorecard they dont have over by over commentary.
I am man of my words and i will post it.
 
kerala porotta said:
still waiting for your link to show when tendu took 5 overs to score 1 run from 99-100 against the mighty kenyans :D
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I am bit close to what i said , and it was atleast from 98 to 100 and not from 99.
( 15 years back right :D )

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/151201.html

India needed only 200, and Jadeja and Tendulkar began with 100 in 20 overs, putting on 163 - India's highest for any wicket in the World Cup - before Jadeja, who had just begun to show signs of cramp, was caught on the boundary in the 33rd over. Tendulkar was then 98 and he was stuck on 99 for nine balls before completing his fifth hundred in one-day internationals. The tension seemed to be transmitted to his team-mates, Sidhu and Kambli; both struggled to get going before hitting out to find catchers in the deep. But by then Tendulkar had resumed his surge onwards, finishing on 127 from 134 balls, with 15 fours and a six. It was Mongia who hit the winning four; Azharuddin, who had just become the seventh player to appear in 200 limited-overs internationals, did not need to bat.

Man of the Match: S. R. Tendulkar.
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velu said:
I am bit close to what i said , and it was atleast from 98 to 100 and not from 99.
( 15 years back right :D )

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/151201.html
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good work velu...but it does not say he took 5 overs to get those 2 runs...

To the defense of tendu i would say the RR required was under control and it was just his 5th 100 and rest assured he will not do this if it had been a crunch match or a do or die situation
 
@Velu : Sachin took only nine balls , and you are saying he took five overs , a massive difference, mind u India was chasing only 200 and and they added 163 for the first wicket in 33 over and India won the match in 42th over
 
kerala porotta said:
good work velu...but it does not say he took 5 overs to get those 2 runs...

To the defense of tendu i would say the RR required was under control and it was just his 5th 100 and rest assured he will not do this if it had been a crunch match or a do or die situation
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It was wc match and RR matters. :)
I saw the video and he took atleast 3 overs after jaddu got out ( 33 to 35.4 ) , i dont know he was at 98 or 99 at 33 over mark , but point stands..
Match was still in my memory coz my mother told that if :kapil was there , he might not do tuk tuk at that time :misbah

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@Velu : Sachin took only nine balls , and you are saying he took five overs , a massive difference, mind u India was chasing only 200 and and they added 163 for the first wicket in 33 over and India won the match in 42th over
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Point still holds , and check my previous reply.
9 balls from 99 to 100 in ODIs is still ... , anyway i think you got my point.

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if u r the captain and you wanted to insert the opposition for 20 overs,
when wicket goes down , will you wait for an useless record to be achieved and give 10 overs , or declare and give 16 overs ??

freelance_cricketer said:
Dravid fans :facepalm:
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Err.. These sachinstas and half sachinstas. :sachin:sachin/2
 
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velu said:
It was wc match and RR matters. :)
I saw the video and he took atleast 3 overs after jaddu got out ( 33 to 35.4 ) , i dont know he was at 98 or 99 at 33 over mark , but point stands..
Match was still in my memory coz my mother told that if :kapil was there , he might not do tuk tuk at that time :misbah



Point still holds , and check my previous reply.
9 balls from 99 to 100 in ODIs is still ... , anyway i think you got my point.

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if u r the captain and you wanted to insert the opposition for 20 overs,
when wicket goes down , will you wait for an useless record to be achieved and give 10 overs , or declare and give 16 overs ??



Err.. These sachinstas and half sachinstas. :sachin:sachin/2
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RR was not a problem because he knew very well could he would make up for the dot balls. and we did manage to reach the SF there...

I will give you an classic eg of a match when dravid tuk tuk and almost got tendu out

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/66165.html

even the commies were cursing him to get out.on both occasions

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/66168.html
 
kerala porotta said:
RR was not a problem because he knew very well could he would make up for the dot balls. and we did manage to reach the SF there...

I will give you an classic eg of a match when dravid tuk tuk and almost got tendu out

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/66165.html

even the commies were cursing him to get out.on both occasions

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/66168.html
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Even i might have prayed to god to get Dravid out:facepalm:
Anywya he improved his game later and now his T20 SR is better than both Dada and Sachin. :D

Point here is Sachinstas are unnecessarily crying/blaming Dravid for declaring when he was at 194*.
I really dont think 200 is of any significant milestone unlike 100 ( and 300 is a different thing that few can only dream )
 
@Velu : I will give you a example :S.African captain declared a inning when kallis was on 76 not out , and that too against Bangladesh , he didn't allowed situation to get out of hand by letting kallis score 94 and then declare .
Zim captain also declared when Andy flower was on 180 not out , and not on 194*
Dravid was himself responsible for letting situation go out of control, he should have declared when Sachin was on 170 or 180 ,either he should have waited for Sachin to make his 200, might have took 2 or 3 overs
 
C'mon Velu you're the man.. The whole Nation (Pakistan) is behind you :yk :))
 
Dravid fans don't even realize how stupid they look talking about strike rates :facepalm:

It is like Vinay Kumar criticizing bowlers for lack of pace. Kuchh to sharam karo
 
Let it go it happened a decade ago. I dont think both of them think about it that much. One of them has retired and the other one hopefully retires soon :)
 
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