Why has the Kashmir issue failed to receive worldwide attention like Palestine?

[Itachi]

What a joke. India has been rigging elections in Kashmir since well before 1989. It's leaders, even the pro-Indian ones are under detention without trial under a draconian law. On every couple of yards there is an Indian soldier. And any shred of special rights that Kashmiris had have now been thrown in the dustbin.

Anybody who believes Kashmiris have any democratic rights or any say in deciding their future is only lying to himself.

They have the right to goto Supreme Court if they believe they have faced any issues regarding the system (as any other states do).

Its easy to be emotional and rant on a forum but the reality is, they can exercise the rights same as other states provided by Indian constitution.

The current CM of Assam himself challenged the controversial IMDT act in Supreme Court and 2005, after two decades it was deemed unconstitutional.

And Assam faced similar situation much before kashmir. But remaining in the system, people brought changes.

 

[IMMY69]

The reason for this and that is because the world can see that India is imploding.
There's nothing much for them to do now but to sit and watch.

Scary times for India

 

[warcry]

if you not going to fight and instead do empty jumla baazi. no one will care.

escalate tensions, that should get kashmir in the spotlight.
that is the only way.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

They have the right to goto Supreme Court if they believe they have faced any issues regarding the system (as any other states do).

Its easy to be emotional and rant on a forum but the reality is, they can exercise the rights same as other states provided by Indian constitution.

The current CM of Assam himself challenged the controversial IMDT act in Supreme Court and 2005, after two decades it was deemed unconstitutional.

And Assam faced similar situation much before kashmir. But remaining in the system, people brought changes.

Look, don't try to insult my intelligence and that of others on this forum by saying that people in Kashmir have democratic rights. Because they don't. As far as the politicians are concerned, I doubt they can walk a few steps out of wherever they are being held, let alone go to the Supreme Court (LMAO!)

And what is your Supreme Court going to do? It's obvious that all institutions in India from the police to the judiciary have become a handmaiden of BJP/RSS machine. The Babri Masjid Verdict is there for all to see.

Its easy to be emotional and rant on a forum but the reality is, they can exercise the rights same as other states provided by Indian constitution.

By far the most hilarious thing I have read all day. Even more funny than when you said Kashmiris have democratic rights. Tell me btw why was a special status given to Kashmir if it was just like all the other Indian states? That too by India's founding fathers? Also are people in other Indian states also under lockdown where they can't open their shops, walk out of their homes or use the internet? Do other Indian states also have soldiers patrolling every 5 yards? Just curious to know.

 

[AdamM97]

Tbh, the Kashmir issue has become internationalized since August last year. Although I fail to see how internationalizing the issue will help the Kashmiris.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

if you not going to fight and instead do empty jumla baazi. no one will care.

escalate tensions, that should get kashmir in the spotlight.
that is the only way.

Escalating tensions is bad for Pakistan. As we have already seen in Kargil. Best case scenario for Pakistan is that some indigenous Kashmiri freedom-fighter (not associated with JeM or LeT) goes ahead and kills a few Indian soldiers. That will put India on the spot where they might have to consider escalating tensions and Kashmir will automatically be at the center of it all.

And ofc what I'm saying is highly likely. It has happened before in the past and is bound to happen again. As far as internationalizing the issue is concerned, it has already been internationalized a great deal

 

[Mamoon]

Because Pakistan has zero credibility.

 

[Napa]

What a joke. India has been rigging elections in Kashmir since well before 1989. It's leaders, even the pro-Indian ones are under detention without trial under a draconian law. On every couple of yards there is an Indian soldier. And any shred of special rights that Kashmiris had have now been thrown in the dustbin.

Maybe you can give a better answer to the OP. There must be a difference between the condition of the Kashmiris and Palestinians. If there wasn't, there would have movements similar to BDS in Europe for Kashmiris.

The terrorists attack those who participate in the democratic elections. That diminishes the democratic process in Kashmir and doesn't win those wanting to leave India support from the rest of the world.

Anybody who believes Kashmiris have any democratic rights or any say in deciding their future is only lying to himself.

You are entitled to your own opinions, not to your own facts.

 

[Napa]

The reason for this and that is because the world can see that India is imploding.
There's nothing much for them to do now but to sit and watch.

Scary times for India

Scary times for India? Only for the delusional.

Vast majority of Indians feel more united today than they did thirty years ago, I know this from personal experience. And the economy is super stable with a record rise in foreign exchange reserves.

India’s foreign-exchange reserves rose by $64 billion in 2019, and the RBI added another $18 billion in 2020, taking holdings to a record $476 billion as of February 21, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. China added $35 billion last year, while reserves rose by $8.5 billion in Indonesia and $2.2 billion in Malaysia.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...-arrest-rupees-panic-drop/article30988761.ece

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Maybe you can give a better answer to the OP. There must be a difference between the condition of the Kashmiris and Palestinians. If there wasn't, there would have movements similar to BDS in Europe for Kashmiris.

The terrorists attack those who participate in the democratic elections. That diminishes the democratic process in Kashmir and doesn't win those wanting to leave India support from the rest of the world.



You are entitled to your own opinions, not to your own facts.

India has been rigging elections in Kashmir since long before 1989. 1989 just happened to be the year where Kashmiris decided they had enough and waged an armed insurgency against the Indian state. If you are not aware of these facts then you are living in a fantasy world. India has always sought to control Kashmir whether its by the heavy troop build-up or by by getting a pliable government installed. If anything India's repressive policies in Kashmir contributed to the beginning of armed struggle in the valley which Pakistan later fueled in a number of different ways. However, now it seems India can't even control the pliable government of Mehbooba Mufti which is enough really to sum up the nature of Kashmir's democratic freedoms.

And I'm not even going to get into the revocation of Kashmir's special status.

 

[Napa]

India has been rigging elections in Kashmir since long before 1989. 1989 just happened to be the year where Kashmiris decided they had enough and waged an armed insurgency against the Indian state. If you are not aware of these facts then you are living in a fantasy world. India has always sought to control Kashmir whether its by the heavy troop build-up or by by getting a pliable government installed. If anything India's repressive policies in Kashmir contributed to the beginning of armed struggle in the valley which Pakistan later fueled in a number of different ways. However, now it seems India can't even control the pliable government of Mehbooba Mufti which is enough really to sum up the nature of Kashmir's democratic freedoms.

And I'm not even going to get into the revocation of Kashmir's special status.

You didn't get my point. I didn't deny that some elections in Kashmir are not rigged. India is not a perfect democracy, but that doesn't mean that Kashmiris have a lot more democratic rights than Palestinians. Part of the reason for imperfect elections in Kashmir are terrorists who threaten people who wish to vote.

You obviously have no answer to my question "Maybe you can give a better answer to the OP. There must be a difference between the condition of the Kashmiris and Palestinians. If there wasn't, there would have movements similar to BDS in Europe for Kashmiris."

Kashmiris have many more democratic rights than Palestinians, hence the world looks at these issues differently.

 

[Napa]

You didn't get my point. I didn't deny that some elections in Kashmir are not rigged. India is not a perfect democracy, but that doesn't mean that Kashmiris have a lot more democratic rights than Palestinians. Part of the reason for imperfect elections in Kashmir are terrorists who threaten people who wish to vote.

You obviously have no answer to my question "Maybe you can give a better answer to the OP. There must be a difference between the condition of the Kashmiris and Palestinians. If there wasn't, there would have movements similar to BDS in Europe for Kashmiris."

Kashmiris have many more democratic rights than Palestinians, hence the world looks at these issues differently.

*I didn't deny that some elections in Kashmir are rigged. India is not a perfect democracy, but that doesn't mean that Kashmiris don't have a lot more democratic rights than Palestinians.

(Getting sloppy, spending too much time on this.)

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

You didn't get my point. I didn't deny that some elections in Kashmir are not rigged. India is not a perfect democracy, but that doesn't mean that Kashmiris have a lot more democratic rights than Palestinians. Part of the reason for imperfect elections in Kashmir are terrorists who threaten people who wish to vote.

You obviously have no answer to my question "Maybe you can give a better answer to the OP. There must be a difference between the condition of the Kashmiris and Palestinians. If there wasn't, there would have movements similar to BDS in Europe for Kashmiris."

Kashmiris have many more democratic rights than Palestinians, hence the world looks at these issues differently.

I think you need to scroll back and look at my comments again. I never commented on the Palestine/Kashmir comparison because I think both cases are unique and different in their own ways. My comments were about the non-existent democratic rights of Kashmirs that OP was so proudly flaunting. And jbtw the reason Palestine gets more recognition globally is because the Israelis have given everyone an example that is truly unique to human history of destroying and decimating a once sovereign nation. Doesn't mean Kashmir matters any less. It has its own value. Just as the struggle of the Palestinian people has it own.

 

[Itachi]

Look, don't try to insult my intelligence and that of others on this forum by saying that people in Kashmir have democratic rights. Because they don't. As far as the politicians are concerned, I doubt they can walk a few steps out of wherever they are being held, let alone go to the Supreme Court (LMAO!)

And what is your Supreme Court going to do? It's obvious that all institutions in India from the police to the judiciary have become a handmaiden of BJP/RSS machine. The Babri Masjid Verdict is there for all to see.

Its easy to be emotional and rant on a forum but the reality is, they can exercise the rights same as other states provided by Indian constitution.

By far the most hilarious thing I have read all day. Even more funny than when you said Kashmiris have democratic rights. Tell me btw why was a special status given to Kashmir if it was just like all the other Indian states? That too by India's founding fathers? Also are people in other Indian states also under lockdown where they can't open their shops, walk out of their homes or use the internet? Do other Indian states also have soldiers patrolling every 5 yards? Just curious to know.

You are writing all these without reading any details. It's nothing but an emotional rant.

1. Not only kashmir but there are other states which are given special status in Indian constitution. E. G. Assam.

2. From 1980 onwards, Assam was locked down. Read 1985 Assam agitation.

3. Like kashmir, amidst CAB protest, internet was shut down here. People challenged the decision in high Court. And it was under jurisdiction of high Court due to which internet was restored.

4. Yup. Same state. For decades in last century.

As I said, if you feel you received the short end of the stick, then you can address it to the system while remaining in the system. We overcame those situations because people started to realize how to address the system.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

You are writing all these without reading any details. It's nothing but an emotional rant.

1. Not only kashmir but there are other states which are given special status in Indian constitution. E. G. Assam.

2. From 1980 onwards, Assam was locked down. Read 1985 Assam agitation.

3. Like kashmir, amidst CAB protest, internet was shut down here. People challenged the decision in high Court. And it was under jurisdiction of high Court due to which internet was restored.

4. Yup. Same state. For decades in last century.

As I said, if you feel you received the short end of the stick, then you can address it to the system while remaining in the system. We overcame those situations because people started to realize how to address the system.

You may choose to deflect from the facts of Kashmir. Thats on you. But what you are calling emotional rants are facts being reported by media and news outlets all over the world. And whether you choose to believe it or not Kashmiris are living in a mass prison. The entire valley has practically been turned into a mass prison. Even after restoring the internet India has done so with restrictions through MAC binding.

Kashmir today looks something even worse than what George Orwell showed in 1984. A totalitarian state that has not only violated the basic human rights of an occupied people but is now also subjugating them to a life under lockdown.

 

[Itachi]

You may choose to deflect from the facts of Kashmir. Thats on you. But what you are calling emotional rants are facts being reported by media and news outlets all over the world. And whether you choose to believe it or not Kashmiris are living in a mass prison. The entire valley has practically been turned into a mass prison. Even after restoring the internet India has done so with restrictions through MAC binding.

Kashmir today looks something even worse than what George Orwell showed in 1984. A totalitarian state that has not only violated the basic human rights of an occupied people but is now also subjugating them to a life under lockdown.

You asked me questions, I answered.

I am not deflecting from kashmir issue. Point was, kashmir isn't the only state who has faced such circumstances. Other states also faced and they overcome through challenging via supreme court.

As I said, Indian constitution doesn't impose any restrictions on kashmir where they can't file a case in Supreme Court. As the other states did, kashmir has the provision to do too.

All you are doing here is emotional ranting which doesn't provide any solution. If you feel you are discriminated or facing harsh circumstances, then challenge it via the system.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Reason Palestine gets more attention is that it is a unique situation.

The Palestinian people are occupied but are not given citizenship of Israel, unlike people of Kashmir, Tibet, and all the other disputed territories.

Second reason is that area of Israel and Palestine has been highly contested for centuries, and holds a significance for 3 religions, so it receives more attention.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

You asked me questions, I answered.

I am not deflecting from kashmir issue. Point was, kashmir isn't the only state who has faced such circumstances. Other states also faced and they overcome through challenging via supreme court.

As I said, Indian constitution doesn't impose any restrictions on kashmir where they can't file a case in Supreme Court. As the other states did, kashmir has the provision to do too.

All you are doing here is emotional ranting which doesn't provide any solution. If you feel you are discriminated or facing harsh circumstances, then challenge it via the system.

The Indian system is a sham. If it wasn't the Supreme Court wouldn't give decisions based on religious sentiments rather than actual historical facts. How can Kashmiris who are under lock-down have any hope in any Indian institution, let alone the Supreme Court? And even if they even wanted to do so they would first have to find a way to actually get out of Kashmir.

The Indian constitution as well is merely a facade to cover what is clearly a majoritarian Hindu state. It is clear that decisions are being made on majoritarian dimensions rather than what is right. For decades India boasted about the secular credentials of its constitution and most issues of communal violence like the 1984 riots or the 2002 riots were swept under the rug. But now the reality is becoming more clear and it will continue to become even clearer in the coming years.

And I'm sorry if you feel no emotions for the people of Kashmir which your country's security forces have brutally oppressed for decades, in the most inhumane ways. I guess your nationalism trumps any regard for human rights or maybe you are living in the fantasy world your media broadcasts. But as Eqbal Ahmed said: "Every policy that begins on the assumption of keeping someone weak forever is doomed to fail"

 

[Itachi]

The Indian system is a sham. If it wasn't the Supreme Court wouldn't give decisions based on religious sentiments rather than actual historical facts. How can Kashmiris who are under lock-down have any hope in any Indian institution, let alone the Supreme Court? And even if they even wanted to do so they would first have to find a way to actually get out of Kashmir.

I'll have to say, the bolded part is what differentiates between a naive person to that of a rest of the world who understands a system. It isn't an isolated system. But with multiple checks in various posts, it will be troublesome to enter or exit. And this isn't the first time that has happened in india. Other states has faced such situations too in last 70 odd years. So crying discrimination won't help the case as you obviously lack the knowledge of history and politics of other indian states.

 

[Pakistanian]

The OPs question is misleading and illinformed. Palestine-Israel is an important issue cause of the dominance of Abrahamic religions, to Jews, Christians and Muslims Palestine is holy land and Evangelicals, Zionists and Muslims are constantly bringing this up as an issue at international forums.

Kashmir still gets more coverage than some separatist movements such as Tibet, Chechnya, Khaalistan etc Just cause an issue is less known or doesn't get global media attention doesn't mean it isn't important or less important than other ones.

 

[Varun]

Fat load of help internationalizing Palestine has done to them anyway.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan has strongly condemned indiscriminate firing of heavy weapons and grenades on a mosque in Shopian in Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJK) on Friday, a statement issued by the Foreign Office said on Saturday.

"Desecration and damage caused to the mosque during so-called 'cordon-and-search operation', and repeated incidence of extra-judicial killings in various places in IIOJK, are manifestations of the unabated state-terrorism to which Kashmiris are subjected in the occupied territory," FO spokesperson Zahid Hafeez Chaudhri said.

He said that the inhuman conduct of Indian forces is reflective of their moral bankruptcy as well as the prevalent culture of impunity in IIOJK. "Targeting the faith and cultural identity of the people of occupied territory is in clear violation of basic human norms and fundamental precepts of international law."

The spokesperson said that history is witness that the use of brutal and indiscriminate force against the Kashmiris and targeting of their religious places has not succeeded in breaking their will. "Such attempts will not succeed in the future as well."

The government and people of Pakistan, Zahid said, will continue to stand by the Kashmiri people in their just and legitimate struggle for the right to self-determination as enshrined in the relevant UNSC resolutions.

In IIOJK, political analysts and experts have said that Indian troops are applying every brutal method to suppress the Kashmiris’ freedom sentiment and hurt their religious sentiments to punish them for demanding freedom from India.

A Kashmir Media Service (KMS) report, quoting political experts and analysts, said besides killing innocent youth in IIOJK, the troops are continuously hurting the religious sentiments and feelings of the Kashmiri people.

They said that the latest of such incidents occurred in Jan Mohalla area of Shopian when the troops damaged and desecrated a mosque and the Holy Quran during a cordon and search operation.

They said the desecration of the Holy Quran and mosque by the troops in Shopian is intolerable for the Kashmiri Muslims.

The political experts and analysts said Indian troops have been involved in the desecration of Quran, mosques and religious centres in IIOJK for the last over seven decades.

"The burning down of Charar-i-Sharief Shrine in May 1995, desecration of Dargah Hazratbal during the worst military siege in November 1993 and violation of the sanctity of Jamia Masjid Srinagar during a military operation in August 1989 and at several other occasions are blot on the secular face of India," they said.

The political experts and analysts pointed out that Hindutva forces have planned to destroy Islamic centres in IIOJK. “Modi intends to replicate episodes like Babri Masjid in entire India and particularly in IIOJK. Modi brigade has announced to bring back a pre-Islamic era and impose Hindu culture in the occupied territory. BJP and RSS leaders have openly said that fifty thousand temples will be built in Kashmir,” they said.

However, they maintained that the communal BJP and RSS are destined to fail in intimidating the Kashmiri Muslims.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2294059/pakistan-condemns-desecration-of-mosque-in-iiojk

 

[SpiritOf1903]

They have zero lobbying. Conversely, how did a financial dispute in India regarding a farming bill receive more attention than China, Yemen, Mozambique, Ethiopia or Rwanda, where multiple human rights abuses are being violated and people slain like cattle.

 

[uberkoen]

When will Pakistan start condemning the desecration or Ahmedi places of worship within Pakistan?

Hypocrites.

Protect your own minorities before commenting on how others are treating theirs.

 

[maverick85]

They have zero lobbying. Conversely, how did a financial dispute in India regarding a farming bill receive more attention than China, Yemen, Mozambique, Ethiopia or Rwanda, where multiple human rights abuses are being violated and people slain like cattle.

We need some emotional Punjabi kisan music from Pakistan. Saada Punjab Canada vich.. yada yada. Super hit will be commented on by panjabis across the border

 

[miandadrules]

When will Pakistan start condemning the desecration or Ahmedi places of worship within Pakistan?

Hypocrites.

Protect your own minorities before commenting on how others are treating theirs.

Never.

Human rights in Pakistan is the right for the majority to strip basic rights of minority groups whilst at the same time crying discrimination.

 

[MenInG]

NEW YORK: Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi says the Kashmir dispute is an important pillar of Pakistan's foreign policy.

"The Kashmir dispute should be resolved in line with the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council," Qureshi said to Kashmiri leaders while discussing the gross human rights violations in the Indian Kashmir.

"Peace cannot be restored in the south Asian region without resolving the Kashmir dispute."

Permanent Representative to UN Munir Akram was also in attendance on the occasion.

Read more: Pakistani Twitter not pleased with 'anti-Semitic' label for FM Qureshi after CNN interview

Qureshi said Pakistan had serious reservations over human rights violations in Indian Kashmir. He reiterated his country's resolve to continue to extend moral, political and diplomatic support to the unarmed Kashmiris.

The FM said India intends to change the demographic structure of the occupied territory, as he had earlier disclosed while speaking at the Islamabad-based think-tank Institute of Regional Studies that the Indian government issued over 1.8 million bogus domicile certificates to non-Kashmiris to tilt the population balance in favour of New Delhi.

Expressing the government's unwavering commitment to the Kashmir cause, Qureshi said Prime Minister Imran Khan was not a mercenary to sell off Kashmir.

"We are not businesspeople and we will never accept any bargain for Kashmir," he said.

Qureshi likened the situation in Kashmir to that of the currently simmering crisis of Palestine. "There is a similarity between the situations of Palestine and Kashmir," he said while addressing a ceremony of overseas Pakistanis.

"Like Palestine, the people of Kashmir are demanding the right to self-determination."

He told the gathering of overseas Pakistanis that he highlighted the resemblance between the circumstances in Kashmir and Palestine during his meeting with the UN secretary-general.

Read more: Tide turning against Israel, says FM Qureshi in CNN interview

The Palestinians want to live peacefully, he said, adding that similarly, Pakistanis also want to lead a peaceful coexistence with their neighbours.

"But, we have issues which can be talked over and settled," he pointed out. "So, let's sit down together and seek solutions to the problems. With our issues amicably tackled, we can live together like good neighbours."

FM Qureshi responds to accusations of being anti-Semitic

Referring to the accusation by a CNN host during his interview earlier in the week, the foreign minister stressed it was not anti-Semitism to talk about Israel's policy and aggression.

Meeting with UN secretary-general

During a meeting with UN Secretary-General António Guterres at the United Nations headquarters, the foreign minister briefed him about the serious human rights and humanitarian situation in Indian Kashmir, including the continued illegal incarceration of the Kashmiri political leaders and extra-judicial killings.

Qureshi told him that the re-initiation of the 2003 ceasefire understanding between Pakistan and India along the Line of Control (LOC) was a welcome step. Pakistan desired normal relations with India, he said adding however, the onus was on India to take steps to create an enabling environment for a meaningful engagement.

He urged the UN secretary-general to use his good offices to resolve the Jammu and Kashmir dispute in line with the UN Charter and the relevant Security Council Resolutions

The foreign minister is visiting New York to attend the UN General Assembly Session on Palestine as part of Pakistan’s extensive diplomatic outreach to mobilize international support for the Palestinians.

On tourism, dams and water shortage in Pakistan
Appreciating the overseas Pakistanis for their services to the country, Qureshi called upon them to play a constructive role in Pakistan's economic stability.

He asked them to highlight Pakistan's positive aspects. "Pakistan's northern areas are as beautiful as Switzerland with a lot of opportunities for tourism."

He added PM Khan was going to announce a package to boost tourism, adding that the upcoming tourism policy will benefit Gilgit-Baltistan.

Qureshi said the country that had an abundance of water in the 1950s was beset with a critical situation. "We have plenty of water during the summer (Kharif) season and a shortage in the winter (Rabi) season. That is why it is in our interest to store water," he said.

Qureshi said most water is wasted without being used and that's why Pakistan had started working on the ground for the construction of dams.

Underlining the importance of building dams, he said Pakistan is faced with high-cost electricity. "Expensive electricity is causing the cost of production to hike," he said.

GEO

 

[MenInG]

‘Even they don’t have fundamental rights’: Imran likens PTI’s condition to people of occupied Kashmir

“The cruelty we are being subjected today has been inflicted on the people of [occupied Kashmir] for the last 30 years.

“Even they don’t have fundamental rights. But whenever Kashmiris get a chance to raise their voice, they will raise [the slogan] of freedom in unison.”

 

[Major]

There are many reasons, but the main reason is that Israel and Palestine issue is a religious issue while Kashmir issue is not a religious issue. Thus, both cases are different and cannot be compared. Plus, there are other developments aswell that took place in Kashmir issue. The Falklands issue exists, than there was that Negorna Karabakh issue that also existed that alot of us dont know about. Because we are Pakistanis and we place religion in every issue, we think our issues are as important as others.

Palestine is a place which is sacred to Muslims, Jews, and Christians. Thus, while Kashmir issue can be solved, Palestine issue will never get solved as religion is involved in it.

The reason why Kashmir issue doesnt get attention is because of the 71 war. People think we lost East Pakistan only, but there was alot more than we lost. When Pakistan lost the war and kept POW, to release the POW India made Pakistan sign the Shimla Agreement. Shimla Agreement stated that Kashmir was to be solved bilaterally and no other country or organization should be involved.

Thus, after shimla agreement, when ever Pakistan tried to talk about Kashmir in UN we were made to shut ourselves due to Shimla agreement. Which is why when Modi did an own goal and removed those special articles, he indirectly finished the Shimla agreement and this allowed Pakistan to talk about Kashmir more.

Another thing is that while in Israel new domiciles were being issued and the population was being changed on purpose, this is something that wasnt happening in Kashmir before 2019 as it had the special status. The domiciles of Indian Occupied Kashmir started to change when the articles were removed and people were allowed to get domiciles there which will mess up the population in future, thus influencing the plebicite.

Hence, both the issues differ and have different developments.

 

[JaDed]

There are many reasons, but the main reason is that Israel and Palestine issue is a religious issue while Kashmir issue is not a religious issue. Thus, both cases are different and cannot be compared. Plus, there are other developments aswell that took place in Kashmir issue. The Falklands issue exists, than there was that Negorna Karabakh issue that also existed that alot of us dont know about. Because we are Pakistanis and we place religion in every issue, we think our issues are as important as others.

Palestine is a place which is sacred to Muslims, Jews, and Christians. Thus, while Kashmir issue can be solved, Palestine issue will never get solved as religion is involved in it.

The reason why Kashmir issue doesnt get attention is because of the 71 war. People think we lost East Pakistan only, but there was alot more than we lost. When Pakistan lost the war and kept POW, to release the POW India made Pakistan sign the Shimla Agreement. Shimla Agreement stated that Kashmir was to be solved bilaterally and no other country or organization should be involved.

Thus, after shimla agreement, when ever Pakistan tried to talk about Kashmir in UN we were made to shut ourselves due to Shimla agreement. Which is why when Modi did an own goal and removed those special articles, he indirectly finished the Shimla agreement and this allowed Pakistan to talk about Kashmir more.

Another thing is that while in Israel new domiciles were being issued and the population was being changed on purpose, this is something that wasnt happening in Kashmir before 2019 as it had the special status. The domiciles of Indian Occupied Kashmir started to change when the articles were removed and people were allowed to get domiciles there which will mess up the population in future, thus influencing the plebicite.

Hence, both the issues differ and have different developments.

The last part is pretty incorrect due to less news resources being shared.

Kashmir was almost there to be a huge issue in 1990s but was blocked by bipartisan leadership of Indian leaders- Rao-Vajpayee and help of Iran.

The idea of self goal is exaggerated if anything it’s even more mute now considering India has been taking away right of the Kashmiri Government ever since 1948 and this was the final nail, unfortunately.

here is the article:

https://www.milligazette.com/news/7-analysis/333-how-iran-saved-india-in-1994-kashmir-un-voting/

 

[RajBan]

There are many reasons, but the main reason is that Israel and Palestine issue is a religious issue while Kashmir issue is not a religious issue. Thus, both cases are different and cannot be compared. Plus, there are other developments aswell that took place in Kashmir issue. The Falklands issue exists, than there was that Negorna Karabakh issue that also existed that alot of us dont know about. Because we are Pakistanis and we place religion in every issue, we think our issues are as important as others.

Palestine is a place which is sacred to Muslims, Jews, and Christians. Thus, while Kashmir issue can be solved, Palestine issue will never get solved as religion is involved in it.

The reason why Kashmir issue doesnt get attention is because of the 71 war. People think we lost East Pakistan only, but there was alot more than we lost. When Pakistan lost the war and kept POW, to release the POW India made Pakistan sign the Shimla Agreement. Shimla Agreement stated that Kashmir was to be solved bilaterally and no other country or organization should be involved.

Thus, after shimla agreement, when ever Pakistan tried to talk about Kashmir in UN we were made to shut ourselves due to Shimla agreement. Which is why when Modi did an own goal and removed those special articles, he indirectly finished the Shimla agreement and this allowed Pakistan to talk about Kashmir more.

Another thing is that while in Israel new domiciles were being issued and the population was being changed on purpose, this is something that wasnt happening in Kashmir before 2019 as it had the special status. The domiciles of Indian Occupied Kashmir started to change when the articles were removed and people were allowed to get domiciles there which will mess up the population in future, thus influencing the plebicite.

Hence, both the issues differ and have different developments.

Why do you think Kashmir issue is not due to religion?

 

[Major]

Why do you think Kashmir issue is not due to religion?

if you think Kashmir issue is based on religion, than you need to study the israel and Palestine issue of what it really is about.

Hint: the issue isnt even Palestine, its all about Jeruselem located in palestine

 

[RajBan]

if you think Kashmir issue is based on religion, than you need to study the israel and Palestine issue of what it really is about.

Hint: the issue isnt even Palestine, its all about Jeruselem located in palestine

See. I get what you are saying. But then the way Hindus were murdered everyday for a decade raises lot of questions.

 

[Hitman]

Here is an Indian Kashmiri Lady, Yana Mir

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Since 35 years, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistanis?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistanis</a> have been " standing for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> "<br><br>Today <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> is burning...<br><br>Not a single <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmiri?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmiri</a> is bothered to express solidarity &#55358;&#56601;&#55358;&#56631;*</p>— Yana Mir (@MirYanaSY) <a href="https://twitter.com/MirYanaSY/status/1656198617697247233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

InIndia is not important enough yet, or a threat to first world economies. At the moment they are a huge opportunity for western businesses to make money, and the first rule of business is to keep the customer happy.

The day Indian interests clash with ours, then watch how Kashmir becomes a global issue.

 

[Hitman]

InIndia is not important enough yet, or a threat to first world economies. At the moment they are a huge opportunity for western businesses to make money, and the first rule of business is to keep the customer happy.

The day Indian interests clash with ours, then watch how Kashmir becomes a global issue.

Your interests have been clashing with ours since 1947. Always remember, just like your hero Imran Khan said, you cannot make a zebra out of a donkey by painting it's body with white and black stripes.

 

[JaDed]

Your interests have been clashing with ours since 1947. Always remember, just like your hero Imran Khan said, you cannot make a zebra out of a donkey by painting it's body with white and black stripes.

I think he means UK.

 

[RexRex]

I think he means UK.

I think he was accusing Cpt. of being a fake zebra aka a BBCD.

 

[NishanKonar]

Kashmir issue lost global sympathy when in 1995 some terror outfits kidnapped and killed a few American and European tourists. From then onwards Western media started portraying Kashmiri militants as more terrorists than freedom fighters. Then in 1998 Osama Bin Laden started supporting Kashmir insurgency - another massive own goal. Then 9/11 happened and situation became even worse for Islamist militant groups world wide

Another issue is economic angle. India is fastest growing major economy and Pakistan is bankrupt. Which sane country will pick up a fight with India due to Pakistan ?

Right now British govt desperately seeking FTA with India to improve their economic conditions. Last thing they wud want to do is antagonize India over Kashmir. USA ( Boeing ) and France ( Airbus) just signed 500 plus passenger jet deal with Air India. Why wud they want to jeopardize their ties with India

AS Bill Clinton famously said -Its the economy stupid

 

[Hitman]

I think he was accusing Cpt. of being a fake zebra aka a BBCD.

Exactly.

 

[Hitman]

I think he means UK.

What I meant is that he will always remain a British Pakistani.