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Will Joe Root beat Sachin Tendulkar's record in Tests for most runs?

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Well i am not sure about centuries because of his inability to convert 50's into 100's
But he has right now close to 9000 test runs and the amount of matches england play in a year and with the consistency of joe root. Will he be able to break record of sachin in terms of runs?
 
Records are made to be broken. Good for him if he does it.
 
Yes he can. He is the most complete batsman England has ever produced and deserved to be recognised in the same breath as Virat Kohli, Steve Smith and Kane Williamson.
 
Probably not.

As magical a bat he is when in flow, this needs immense longevity.

If there's one guy who I would want break Sachin's record, its Smith.

But he is so far away.
 
Ab Fan said:
Yes he can. He is the most complete batsman England has ever produced and deserved to be recognised in the same breath as Virat Kohli, Steve Smith and Kane Williamson.
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Bur sir problem is his age and england players alsoretire in between 34 and 35 they dont play till 39 or 40
 
Ab Fan said:
Yes he can. He is the most complete batsman England has ever produced and deserved to be recognised in the same breath as Virat Kohli, Steve Smith and Kane Williamson.
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Probably the most talented TEST bat among the 4.

When in flow, there is only one word to describe him:

Magical.
 
Ab Fan said:
Yes he can. He is the most complete batsman England has ever produced and deserved to be recognised in the same breath as Virat Kohli, Steve Smith and Kane Williamson.
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Jack Hobbs was a better Test batsman.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Probably not.

As magical a bat he is when in flow, this needs immense longevity.

If there's one guy who I would want break Sachin's record, its Smith.

But he is so far away.
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He has almost 1000 runs less than joe root thats why root has the best chance.
Forget about smith. With his technique he will decline in 2 3 years
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yeah Smith could have a sudden decline.

But boy what a batsman he was.

Unlike any i have seen in my life.
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Honestly
Being a pak cricket team fan.
Smith still is my most favorite batsmen due to his strong temperament
And i might sound funny but i love his technique the most and his ball leaving is just fab.
 
raashidkhan89079 said:
Bur sir problem is his age and england players alsoretire in between 34 and 35 they dont play till 39 or 40
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It just puts into context how tough it is to beat Tendulkar's record.

However, Root is sitting close to 9000 runs and he reached there at a younger age than Cook so the chances are higher for him and also Cook had middling performance in his last few years.

Hence, if not Tendulkar's record, I am convinced that he can go past 14000 test runs mark. Post that, it will depend on a lot of factors. Root has said it that at some point, he will be looking to make his presence felt in IPL but currently his focus is India series and the Ashes.
 
raashidkhan89079 said:
Honestly
Being a pak cricket team fan.
Smith still is my most favorite batsmen due to his strong temperament
And i might sound funny but i love his technique the most and his ball leaving is just fab.
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You arent alone.

Its an acquired taste but quite a few love his technique. Haha.
 
Many thought Cook would do it and that didnt happen. It requires incredible longevity. Not sure Root can do that.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Many thought Cook would do it and that didnt happen. It requires incredible longevity. Not sure Root can do that.
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Root certainly has a better chance. Firstly he is way more talented than Cook and secondly he bats in the middle order. England plays about 12 tests per year on average. So I think if root plays another 7 years. Which comes to about 80-85 tests. He should be comfortably able to beat sachin.
 
He might, but even if he does not, he will go down as England’s greatest batsman.

Magnificent player.
 
England can't produce batsmen who average 50+ or bowlers who average 25-.

Beating Tendulkar or McGrath can wait until they figure this out.
 
I am pretty sure he won't go for that record because they don't care. He will also take retirement at right time just like Cook. He is 2 years younger than Kohli and it seems he will end up as a better batsman than Kohli in tests. Kohli hasn't reached 8000 runs yet. :inti
 
Deja Vu. Same was said about Cook.

England is a tough place to bat. As soon as a batsman becomes 33-34 years old his decline is very apparent.

Still, what a player.
 
There's no chance for Root to overtake Tendulkar, as I don't see him playing beyond the age of 35. He's been captain for 4 years already and we all know the impact of the captaincy on the shelf-life of English cricketers.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
You arent alone.

Its an acquired taste but quite a few love his technique. Haha.
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I don't get why people call it ugly, I personally love it. And can understand people calling it unconventional, but ugly is a stretch. Dean Elgar is an ugly looking player, not Smith.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't get why people call it ugly, I personally love it. And can understand people calling it unconventional, but ugly is a stretch. Dean Elgar is an ugly looking player, not Smith.
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Yeah I get it.

But a lot find it ugly. So its called ugly.

It does have a unique charm to it.

Kinda puts off the bowlers too.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yeah I get it.

But a lot find it ugly. So its called ugly.

It does have a unique charm to it.

Kinda puts off the bowlers too.
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Yeah steve smith is my all time favourite batsman along with Ab. Just love his unique style. Loved watching him bat and ball ever since I started watching cricket
 
I would not want to predict if he will score 15k runs , there will be loss of form and injuries along the way. otherwise he should do it with number of tests they play and form he is in.

I am more impressed in how brilliantly he played in India in very tough conditions. He has shown what a complete batsman and consistency across all conditions and formats.

Only criticism is his lack of big score conversions, but has time to rectify it. Still has 21 hundreds!
 
English players generally have short longevity. For one reason or another, they leave the game as a player.

So while he can, he may not play that long to break it.
 
I hope he atleast gets to 14000 test runs and end up as second leading run scorer of all-time. He debuted in 2013 and is just 8 year old into his career. Very likeable cricketer and is carrying England batting.
 
globalcitizen said:
I would not want to predict if he will score 15k runs , there will be loss of form and injuries along the way. otherwise he should do it with number of tests they play and form he is in.

I am more impressed in how brilliantly he played in India in very tough conditions. He has shown what a complete batsman and consistency across all conditions and formats.

Only criticism is his lack of big score conversions, but has time to rectify it. Still has 21 hundreds!
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Good thing is he doesnt play ipl he doesnt playl leagues like hundred, big bash
He doesnt plag much odi
So injury chances are less
 
I don't really care much about these kind of records, Averaging higher than Sachin at the end of his career should be his target.
Making 13k or 14 k runs is the same. Nothing difference... No difference :sarfi
 
No. I don't see him playing another 8-10 years, especially performing at the same/similar level, to basically score around 70-80% of what he has already scored.

Tall order.
 
Itachi said:
English players generally have short longevity. For one reason or another, they leave the game as a player.

So while he can, he may not play that long to break it.
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And they end up becoming better Sky commentators than players. While the rest of the world produces Ponting, Tendulkar, Lara, Kallis, Sangakkara, Inzamam etc these folks plod along with Atherton, Vaughan and Nasser Hussain.
 
Varun said:
And they end up becoming better Sky commentators than players. While the rest of the world produces Ponting, Tendulkar, Lara, Kallis, Sangakkara, Inzamam etc these folks plod along with Atherton, Vaughan and Nasser Hussain.
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How dare you mock the Members of the Order of The British Empire?
 
England captains have a lot to put up with.

Michael Vaughan once had the partner of a player knock on his hotel room door to complain about the quality of wine served to wives and girlfriends. On tour in New Zealand, Michael Atherton had a 6ft shark dumped into his bed by Phil Tufnell and Alan Mullally.

At the other end of the scale, Nasser Hussain's team were sent deaths threats by the Sons and Daughters of Zimbabwe, while Kevin Pietersen led England back to India only weeks after gunmen carried out a deadly attack in Mumbai.

When Joe Root calls time on a reign that is likely to see him lead England in more Tests than any other man, he might take a moment to reflect on all the obstacles that have been put in his way.

The Bristol affair that prevented Ben Stokes from taking part in the 2017-18 Ashes tour. The focus on England's white-ball team to the detriment of the Test side. James Anderson bowling only four overs in what is likely to be Root's only home Ashes series as skipper.

The pressure of the Covid-induced bubble environment. Rest and rotation. Ollie Robinson's tweets. The doubt over arrangements for the upcoming Ashes. Stokes' indefinite break from the game. Jofra Archer's elbow.

All this while being the only class act in a batting line-up that shows all the solidity of a well-dunked biscuit.

In Greek mythology, Atlas' punishment for siding with the Titans in the war against the Olympians was to hold the heavens on his shoulders for eternity.

Root must wonder which cricketing God he was wronged to have been asked to the carry an England team looking to the future with all the optimism of a turkey that has just received its first Christmas card.

"There's been a lot to handle, not just for me, but for the whole squad," said Root after his superb century against India in the first Test on Saturday. "You have to look at each situation and try to find a solution.

"You can let it wear you down, think it's bad luck and things keep spiralling, but ultimately it doesn't change anything.

"I feel like I'm doing the best I possibly can."

It's hard to disagree. On a personal level at least, he is thriving.

During the course of his magnificent 109 at Trent Bridge - an innings brimming with so much class it would make James Bond think he has to buck his ideas up - Root passed 1,000 Test runs for the year. No other England player has more than 354.

Root's average in 2021, 59.11, is his best in a calendar year since 2015. He has scored 27% of England's runs since January and 173 of their runs in this match.

There were whispers before this Test that all was not well with Root or the England camp - hardly surprising when you consider Stokes' shock announcement and the distraction of the Ashes uncertainty. Those close to Root said he had not been himself.

The captain chose to fulfil his pre-match media commitments two days before the game, rather than the usual one, in order to spend more time focusing on his preparation.

If he continues to bat like this, he is well within his rights to deliver his pre-match message via carrier pigeon.

When Root arrived at the crease on day four - the crowd growling his name before he skipped down the pavilion steps - England were 49 behind and in danger of being beaten with a day to spare.

By the time he left, edging Jasprit Bumrah behind in the first over with the second new ball, he had dragged his side to a position from which they could pull off an unlikely victory.

Root began with three picture-perfect cover drives and moved into authoritative hooks and deft late cuts. In between he hurried between the wickets as if his life depended on it.

He batted with a fluency that has been beyond every other batsman in the match and, at times, was coaching his partner as he went.

Dom Sibley got an angry look after a mix-up that almost brought a run-out and a thumbs-up for little more than leaving a ball that was wide of the off stump. When Sibley was given out lbw, Root persuaded him to review, then punched the air when the decision came back in England's favour.

Root chatted to umpire Richard Kettleborough, his fellow Sheffield Collegiate CC old boy. He wore a smile throughout, even as Sibley, Jonny Bairstow and Jos Buttler found ways to get themselves out. When India burned their final review on a speculative lbw shout with Root on 97, he was almost in hysterics.

"This morning I said to myself and the group to remember what's fun about cricket," said Root.

"As batters, it's scoring runs. It can be tough sometimes but it's fun. You have to look to enjoy that moment and make the most of it."

The sweet on-drive that took him to three figures sparked long and animated celebrations. Both arms raised, a punch of the air, waving the bat towards wife Carrie.

As Root turned to the Yu Energy Stand, who had done so much to chastise India captain Virat Kohli, he beat the Three Lions badge on his chest. The response was for a group of Freddie Mercurys to lead a chorus of Don't Stop Me Now.

"I was probably a little bit too excited," he said. "I really enjoyed the atmosphere. It was an opportunity to say thank you to everyone in the ground and my wife."

Root was livid at his dismissal, swiping his bat over the stumps as the ball nestled into the gloves of Rishabh Pant. Still, as Root departed, he was able to show his blade and helmet to the crowd, who in turn acknowledged they had seen a wonderful knock.

"We have just witnessed one of the great innings of all time," said former England captain Michael Vaughan.

"The position Joe Root came out in, the responsibility on him and he's done that. He's delivered England from a difficult position into a chance of winning.

"I don't remember him making a single mistake. His cover drives and late cuts were immaculate."

Almost nine years ago to the day, on Super Saturday in the London Olympics, Pietersen made an audacious 149 against a loaded South Africa attack. It was one of the best ever by an England batsman.

After his Headingley pyrotechnics, Pietersen suggested that he might never play international cricket again because it was "tough being me" in the England dressing room.

There are times when it must be tough being Joe Root, but the England dressing room would be in a much tougher place without him.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
I don't really care much about these kind of records, Averaging higher than Sachin at the end of his career should be his target.
Making 13k or 14 k runs is the same. Nothing difference... No difference :sarfi
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I feel the same. Average higher than Sachin, score more centuries than him, and try to perform better than Sachin did against Australia. Those should be his goals.
 
Hitman said:
I feel the same. Average higher than Sachin, score more centuries than him, and try to perform better than Sachin did against Australia. Those should be his goals.
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And be elite at ODI cricket too, like Sachin.

Something beyond the league of most England cricketers.
 
Varun said:
And they end up becoming better Sky commentators than players. While the rest of the world produces Ponting, Tendulkar, Lara, Kallis, Sangakkara, Inzamam etc these folks plod along with Atherton, Vaughan and Nasser Hussain.
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Root is several notches above all those English batsmen. He is a genuinely great player by any standards.
 
Mamoon said:
Root is several notches above all those English batsmen. He is a genuinely great player by any standards.
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Yes he is better than any English batsman since the 70s, KP is close but still Root is more consistent.
I am sure some ancient folks here will rate Robin Smith and David Gower ahead of him.
 
Mamoon said:
Root is several notches above all those English batsmen. He is a genuinely great player by any standards.
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Let's take a call on his legacy at the end of his career. Yes he's better than the ones I listed, but like Cook could fall away for an extended period of time and not put his name in the grade-A books.

After all, he doesn't average 50 even in this purple patch year.
 
Varun said:
Let's take a call on his legacy at the end of his career. Yes he's better than the ones I listed, but like Cook could fall away for an extended period of time and not put his name in the grade-A books.

After all, he doesn't average 50 even in this purple patch year.
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He won't reach Tendulkar level but he will have a place among the greats even if he doesn't average 50 over his entire career. Averages can be misleading as teams like New Zealand and Sri Lanka play weaker teams more often than the Big Three.

England and recently India plays more tougher tests than others so if Root can have 13k-14k runs at 48-49 with balanced record home and away, reckon he should be mentioned alongside the lower tier greats just like Anderson.
 
No. By the end of his career Joe will fall way short of Sachin.
 
Sachin played for 24 years.

Root has had back problems and is the captain. If he can last half as long, I will be amazed.
 
Sachin Tendulkar's long standing record of being highest run getter in tests seems to in danger as Joe Root is coming closer to him.

Sachin has scored 15921 runs in his illustrious career of 24 years. Joe Root is currently on 11818 runs.

Joe Root is just 33 year old, and England on average play 12-14 matches per year.

He is just 4000 runs away from breaking Sachin's world record. He is just one bumper year away to match SRT's tally.

How long it will take him to break the record?
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
Sachin Tendulkar's long standing record of being highest run getter in tests seems to in danger as Joe Root is coming closer to him.

Sachin has scored 15921 runs in his illustrious career of 24 years. Joe Root is currently on 11818 runs.

Joe Root is just 33 year old, and England on average play 12-14 matches per year.

He is just 4000 runs away from breaking Sachin's world record. He is just one bumper year away to match SRT's tally.

How long it will take him to break the record?
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It'll take a while but root will surely get their.
 
Just 4K runs

Thats almost the career of an average test batsman. It’s still a lot of runs. Runs to be scored in the real world , you can’t extrapolate these things just like that. You actually have to be out there as a top international pro to be able to pull it off. Couple of bad series and the moment that batting average starts going down towards mid 40s, the chase would feel meaningless anyway.

Tendulkar has almost 16k test runs at a batting average of 54. He’s secured his legacy in a way no one can completely overtake him unless that man himself happens to be super super special.
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
James Anderson has encouraged players to prolonge their careers. Joe Root will definitely take inspiration from Anderson.
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The way Root has been batting he will need some additional 80 tests, to even come close. That will translate to about 6-7 years. I really doubt Root will be able to play for that long.
 
If he knuckles down and scores daddy hundreds maybe.

If he plays test cricket in the bazball style for the remainder of his career it will be difficult
 
Root is a fantastic batsman and arguably the best England batsman in the post war era. No batsman has come from England and shown the same level of fluency, consistency and all round performance like Joe Root has done. He has also been way ahead of his other teammates in terms of performance in Test cricket.

The second best England batsman averages 35-36, in my opinion, he is certainly an ATG and should score atleast 3k runs more, hence surpassing Ponting's runs feat and also 15k test runs. That's all time greatness right there.
 
Not sure about root but Kohli will never beat Sachin here as his main goal was 50 centuries in 0DIs record which he has already achieved
 
Ab Fan said:
Root is a fantastic batsman and arguably the best England batsman in the post war era. No batsman has come from England and shown the same level of fluency, consistency and all round performance like Joe Root has done. He has also been way ahead of his other teammates in terms of performance in Test cricket.

The second best England batsman averages 35-36, in my opinion, he is certainly an ATG and should score atleast 3k runs more, hence surpassing Ponting's runs feat and also 15k test runs. That's all time greatness right there.
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Do you think he is better than KP or you not considering KP an English batsmen?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Do you think he is better than KP or you not considering KP an English batsmen?
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Yes he is better than the inconsistent non team player KP who would usually perform in one game and fail in rest of the series.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Just 4K runs

Thats almost the career of an average test batsman. It’s still a lot of runs. Runs to be scored in the real world , you can’t extrapolate these things just like that. You actually have to be out there as a top international pro to be able to pull it off. Couple of bad series and the moment that batting average starts going down towards mid 40s, the chase would feel meaningless anyway.

Tendulkar has almost 16k test runs at a batting average of 54. He’s secured his legacy in a way no one can completely overtake him unless that man himself happens to be super super special.
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Ahh yes - a Sachinista!

Records are made to be broken, and longevity is not a legacy.

😎
 
Root is 33 years old. He can probably play for 5 more years.

He is currently around 4000 runs behind Tendulkar's record. 4000 runs in 5 years is doable. England play a lot of Tests.
 
I don't think so. ROot is a great red ball player and England plays too many tests but I don't think root is going to surpass Sachin because root might retire in next 2-3 years.
 
Chasing Tendulkar's record

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Bhaijaan said:
Just 4K runs

Thats almost the career of an average test batsman. It’s still a lot of runs. Runs to be scored in the real world , you can’t extrapolate these things just like that. You actually have to be out there as a top international pro to be able to pull it off. Couple of bad series and the moment that batting average starts going down towards mid 40s, the chase would feel meaningless anyway.

Tendulkar has almost 16k test runs at a batting average of 54. He’s secured his legacy in a way no one can completely overtake him unless that man himself happens to be super super special.
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Root can surpass Tendulkar's run tally but can he build an unconquerable legacy like him.
 
sweep_shot said:
Root is 33 years old. He can probably play for 5 more years.

He is currently around 4000 runs behind Tendulkar's record. 4000 runs in 5 years is doable. England play a lot of Tests.
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He needs to be consistent. England are not like India ,no individual comes before the team . If root loses form & others are waiting , England will drop him .

However I think he’s going for this record & might just break it .
 
James said:
He will probably finish second and I don’t think this will quite happen, but if it ever does, the internet meltdown will be one for the ages. It will be worth it just to see that.
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Whether he breaks or not, he is one of the best test players to have come from England and among the top 10-15 test batsman of all-time.
 
That would be so great and satisfying.LOL.
Hopefully it happens and he certainly can do it.
He only has 4000 runs to score and he has 3-4 years of test cricket that too if he doesn't retire.
He has scored nearly 12000 runs in only 12 years. That's incredible.
 
Lol, how passionately some padosis are waiting for SRT record to tumble. It's a mount Everest to climb.
How many time have seen people trying to do linear extraploation and totally to SRT.
But a single career is not a linear extrapolation or sum or career spans.
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If Root is able to overhaul Sachin's run tally it will be a mighty achievement but he is not getting there based on how the past greats fizzled out.
 
Tendulkar's record in trouble as Vaughan predicts current star to rise to top

Joe Root continues to perform at his best and Michael Vaughan thinks the former England captain can become Test cricket's leading run-scorer.

Former England captain Michael Vaughan remains in awe of Joe Root's batting prowess and believes the experienced right-hander is capable of overtaking Sachin Tendulkar and becoming Test cricket's leading run-scorer.

Root moved up to eighth place on the list of leading run-scorers in Test cricket when he scored his 32nd Test century against the West Indies in Nottingham over the weekend and Vaughan thinks the 33-year-old can continue to reach even greater heights.

West Indies great Brian Lara is just 13 runs ahead of Root in seventh place, while Tendulkar's record tally of 15,921 Test runs is now less than 4,000 runs away as the England veteran continues to his rise up the exclusive club.

Vaughan expects Root to surpass Alastair Cook's total of 12,472 runs and become England's most prolific scorer when the side plays against Pakistan and New Zealand later this year and thinks the former skipper can even better Tendulkar should he continue to perform at his best.

“Joe Root will become England’s leading run-scorer in the next few months and is so special that he really could overtake Sachin Tendulkar eventually," Vaughan wrote of the world's No.2 ranked Test batter in The Telegraph.

"As the rock, Root is obviously key to that, and I love that he kept the reverse-scoop in the locker until he was past 100 (in the second Test against the West Indies) and England’s lead was massive.

“Against an attack like the West Indies in these conditions, you expect him to get a century. He missed out in the first innings but was so determined to put it right in the second. He was never going to make the same mistakes."

Root isn't the only England batter to have impressed Vaughan in recent times, with the exploits of young gun Harry Brook also catching the eye of the respected commentator and Ashes-winning skipper.

Brook scored his fifth Test century when amassing 109 in the second innings against the West Indies at Trent Bridge and Vaughan was suitably captivated.

"Then there’s Harry Brook, who is going to provide spectators so many 'I was there' moments in the next few years. He will play innings and shots that just make you go ‘wow’. I have seen players with time, but I’m not sure I’ve seen anyone with that much time to play aggressive shots looking very easy," Vaughan added.

"Stillness, trigger, hands high, cocked wrist. There is a bit of Kevin Pietersen there, that ability to play jaw-dropping innings."

ICC
 
KingKhanWC said:
He needs to be consistent. England are not like India ,no individual comes before the team . If root loses form & others are waiting , England will drop him .

However I think he’s going for this record & might just break it .
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Indeed, they wont carry a passenger just for personal milestones. Anderson was still performing but got shown the door. And generally, England players rarely continue into their late 30’s, Anderson was an exception. Not sure Joe has the same drive; I think that if you’re going to retire and you can still go / don’t plan on giving up county gig, then may as well continue at the highest level if you’re still performing, especially if you don’t play other forms. The disadvantage is obviously having to tour but now they manage player welfare better, he’s older and they can take their family with them.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I think he will land between Tendulkar and Ponting but again it depends whether he keeps playing cute T20 shots or digs in and plays the big test knocks he is capable of.
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Yes, Ponting’s tally might be more realistically to break.

Ah, come on mate, that’s too much to ask, even after he gets a hundred he needs to pull out them reverse scoops for Stokes & Baz, it’s almost like a mini twerk for them, every batter needs to try and do at least one per inning. All are on board with the vision at least, whether they sink or sail.
 
Hitman said:
Lara, Ponting, Kallis, Sangakkara, Cook .... and now Root.

Long list of adopted heroes for Pakistani fans.
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When Tendulkar was very young, I remember an article in Criket Samrat " Sawaal 15,000 runs ka?" ( Question of 15,000 runs?). Tendulkar was expected to overhaul Border's record long long ago, but the higher milestone was 15,000 and at the end the authors had said He might very well miss it. People just look at the peaks at try to extrapolate them, they don't get how hard it is to sustain those forms.
Kohli should have been near 90 hundreds the way he was going a few years ago.
We all have seen what has happened to Babar Azam getting compared to Kohli. Should we simple scale up the majestic career start of Jaiswal.

I will say Kohli has better chance of reaching 100 centuries than Root reaching 15,000.
 
shaz619 said:
Yes, Ponting’s tally might be more realistically to break.

Ah, come on mate, that’s too much to ask, even after he gets a hundred he needs to pull out them reverse scoops for Stokes & Baz, it’s almost like a mini twerk for them, every batter needs to try and do at least one per inning. All are on board with the vision at least, whether they sink or sail.
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It gives all of the batting line up clarity of thought. I don't mind the approach. It's entertaining cricket and team first.

But those attributes don't help much when you are trying to chase down the biggest stat padder of all time.
 
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