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No comparison to be honest. Sachin is gonna play 200 test matches and imran didn't even played even half of 200.
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The opinion of those 25 highly qualified cricketing greats and experts hold farrrrrrrrrrrrr more weight-age than your biased opinion. Not to mention, the cricketing world pays respect to that list, while nobody cares about your opinion.
That is based on opinion, Imran did more than Sachin in tests. As for Sobers as the bowling allrounder, do you really want some averaging 30+ ?
Does not change the fact that Imran would be selected in an alltime 11and use more respect next time, otherwise I know how to use your ideosyncratic terminology.
No comparison to be honest. Sachin is gonna play 200 test matches and imran didn't even played even half of 200.
Well, he failed to make it to Cricinfo's World XI, while Sachin made it. Enjoy that fact.
Well, he failed to make it to Cricinfo's World XI, while Sachin made it. Enjoy that fact.
How do you figure that one way or another?
To put it in perspective, SRT averages 40 or above in every single country and Vs every single opposition. Has played better in alien conditions than most batsmen in history and has unprecedented number of centuries and runs at 50+ average.
On other hands, IK was an ATG all rounder and ATG bowler. I rate IK as the best bowler from Pakistan. He had one of the best peak among all fast bowlers.
lol cric info world xi haha. Jaan dee yaar.
No comparison to be honest. Sachin is gonna play 200 test matches and imran didn't even played even half of 200.
NO NEVER... and for godsake stop making these threads. Its insults to our heroes.
Imran Khan not only was on of greatest captain and allrouder he won many matches single handed for Pakistan. In most matches Tendulkar scored big socre India lost that match thats why Imran Khan said Inzi was winning player and thats why he is better than Tendulkar.
Also Imran Khan have Pakistan some of great player Pakistan will ever see as Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Aqib Javed, Qadir, Inzi etc etc.
SO I GET HURT BY READING THIS POSTS.
SO I GET HURT BY READING THIS POSTS.
No comparison to be honest. Sachin is gonna play 200 test matches and imran didn't even played even half of 200.
The opinion of those 25 highly qualified cricketing greats and experts hold farrrrrrrrrrrrr more weight-age than your biased opinion. Not to mention, the cricketing world pays respect to that list, while nobody cares about your opinion.
Imran could play a big impact in 3 ways, whereas Sachin at best would be a beast with the bat and an occasionally decent spinner. Also in the sense that Imran averaged below 25 for all countries bowling bar
one, which is India, he played mostly in Asia which was as batsmen friendly then as it is now, so it just underlines his greatness, more over he averaged 38 with the bat, which is outstanding considering the quality of bowlers at the time.
IK wasn't contributing with bat and ball in the same phase of his career and impact by his batting was a limited one. SRT adjusted better away from home but then argument can be made for IK facing biased umpires when playing away.
Anyway, due to IK being all rounder and captain is the reasons we are comparing them. Personally, I haven't seen very convincing arguments one way or another.
These are OPINIONS, unless they're all PhDs in cricketing expertise, it remains SUBJECTIVE, and Immy comes ONE rank under SRT, that's not a dramatic difference. In fact, Holding/McGrath languishing at the 40/41 positions is probably more interesting.
IK averaged 50 with the bat and under 20 with the ball in his last ten years, this must make him the greatest cricketer in history
Kallis has a higher avg than Tendu, does that make him a better batsman ?
IK averaged 50 with the bat and under 20 with the ball in his last ten years, this must make him the greatest cricketer in history
Yep, replace a True Lion with a Choker Unlimited...makes perfect sense!
While we are at it, let's swap Kapil for Wasim and Shoaib combined as well...whatever rocks the boat for you and our Indian buddies
yawn. He doesn't even have 4000 runs in test cricket, and you calling him the greatest ever. Taking average as one of the criterias is fine but not when as a captain the person has scored only 2400 runs. One of the most overrated cricketer on this forum tbh. He was an out and out draw specialist, and had not been for WC victory, Pakistan would have forgotten him by now. What he achieved as a captain/leader at 41, Kapil Dev achieved at 25.
Yep, replace a True Lion with a Choker Unlimited...makes perfect sense!
While we are at it, let's swap Kapil for Wasim and Shoaib combined as well...whatever rocks the boat for you and our Indian buddies
Your name is being called in this thread bro http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=187605&page=4
Ok I did exaggerate, but hell no is he overated, Kallis has higher avg than SRT but that doesn't mke him overated, hence IK has no comparison. Don't compare Kaps with IK, he isn't anywhere near the pedigree of Immy.
True lion and all is total gas. True Lion won 3 matches outside subcontinent as a captain, won a fluke world cup and really that's about it.
He was the only captain who drawn a series against mighty WI in WI there was no other team who was even able to draw a series against West Indies in WI for 20 years when WI was a top.
And don't forget to check his stats in that series:
Dude, they have similar number of runs as well. Both have around 15K test runs, so if someone rates Kallis over SRT then its totally understandeable. However, if tomorrow someone says Samaraweera has higher average than Dravid, and so Sama is a better cricketer, then that would be a joke. You can compare averages for players with similar stats, not for someone who has just scored 4000 runs in test cricket. All of Imran's test al round contemporaries in in 80s, had more runs than him. Its just that in the last 2-3 years, PPers have digged out this 50+ batting stat of imran and tried to make him look like Gary Sobers or Kallis.
Regarding Kapil Dev, well his pedigree is what set the leadership bar in Asia. Winning a world cup at 25 was good enough to put him in a seperate league forever. Plus Kapil was never an insecured sole. He never asked his teammates to not get out to Imran. He was a true Punjabi jatt - he came, he saw and he conquered.
an ATG all rounder > ATG batsman, there's no two ways.
Who on earth is comparing Imran Khan vs SRT as specialist BATSMEN ? We compare them as CRICKETERS, and Imran Khan was a BOWLING all rounder (you can't expect him to score 10,000 runs @ 50, right) - and an ATG all rounder > ATG batsman, there's no two ways.
Wasn't even a Jatt anyway, but he fielded, he trundled and slogged, that's why he averaged in the low 30s with his batting and nearly 30 with the ball in Test cricket.
No one cares about ODIs, otherwise, > , they have the same batting average and bowling SR after all, apart form the fact that Kapil Dev did not even score 4000 runs.
Listen m not saying that Imran was not a great player, m saying he was not as great as he is being made out to be on this forum. Of course Imran Khan was a great player and a legend, but to say that he was greater all rounder than Sobers or Kallis is a joke.
Regarding the WI series, i think an entire thread was dedicated to this series, where it was clearly presented that pakistan won 1 match in this series, and in that match Richards and Marshall didn't play, Lloyd had retired before that series, and the bowling attack in that match consisted of 4 bowlers who didn't even have a total of 75 wickets between them till that match, or in other words it was a totally rookie bowling attack with 3 bowlers had a total combined experience of 10 or 11 matches between them.
Dude, they have similar number of runs as well. Both have around 15K test runs, so if someone rates Kallis over SRT then its totally understandeable. However, if tomorrow someone says Samaraweera has higher average than Dravid, and so Sama is a better cricketer, then that would be a joke. You can compare averages for players with similar stats, not for someone who has just scored 4000 runs in test cricket. All of Imran's test al round contemporaries in in 80s, had more runs than him. Its just that in the last 2-3 years, PPers have digged out this 50+ batting stat of imran and tried to make him look like Gary Sobers or Kallis.
Regarding Kapil Dev, well his pedigree is what set the leadership bar in Asia. Winning a world cup at 25 was good enough to put him in a seperate league forever. Plus Kapil was never an insecured sole. He never asked his teammates to not get out to Imran. He was a true Punjabi jatt - he came, he saw and he conquered.
Listen m not saying that Imran was not a great player, m saying he was not as great as he is being made out to be on this forum. Of course Imran Khan was a great player and a legend, but to say that he was greater all rounder than Sobers or Kallis is a joke.
Regarding the WI series, i think an entire thread was dedicated to this series, where it was clearly presented that pakistan won 1 match in this series, and in that match Richards and Marshall didn't play, Lloyd had retired before that series, and the bowling attack in that match consisted of 4 bowlers who didn't even have a total of 75 wickets between them till that match, or in other words it was a totally rookie bowling attack with 3 bowlers had a total combined experience of 10 or 11 matches between them.
Tendulkar is being overated here, I wouls have Kallis an equally good bat, someone who can bowl and a brilliant fielder.
NO NEVER... and for godsake stop making these threads. Its insults to our heroes.
Imran Khan not only was on of greatest captain and allrouder he won many matches single handed for Pakistan. In most matches Tendulkar scored big socre India lost that match thats why Imran Khan said Inzi was winning player and thats why he is better than Tendulkar.
Also Imran Khan have Pakistan some of great player Pakistan will ever see as Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Aqib Javed, Qadir, Inzi etc etc.
SO I GET HURT BY READING THIS POSTS.
What are you on about, IK had still average of 38, he had an astounding bowling avg for a SC bowler, the best from a SC pacester i think, as for Kapil's leadership, when has winning the World cup become the pinnscle of cricket, Tests are still prime importance, there Imran was better and moreover he identified several of Pakistan's legends who went on to become greats. As for the not getting out to Kapil saga where did you invent this? He was a true Pakistani Pathan who towered above all else then, now and ever.
Lolz .....every single player mentioned in this thread are very overrated ...infact very very overrated....
Wow, your last sentence makes me proud of being a pathan.
Its ironic that the same people who were ridiculing Gavaskar for inflating his average against the West Indies, facing Packer era depleted WI bowling
second string WI test side with two of their greatest players missing from their side.
Sachin and IK are both the best players to come from the SC, and i would have them both in my world XI.
Thanks, didn't think the post was that good.
Well i am not sure who did it? At least i was not there
As i mentioned above even after their stars lost the shine and they got new players and some old retired they still won 6 consecutive test series at home between 1988-1995 after that drawn series against Pakistan.
+1
i agree
Not talking about you bro
As comparing a fast bowler's career to a batsman's isn't clever.
Dude, they have similar number of runs as well. Both have around 15K test runs, so if someone rates Kallis over SRT then its totally understandeable. However, if tomorrow someone says Samaraweera has higher average than Dravid, and so Sama is a better cricketer, then that would be a joke. You can compare averages for players with similar stats, not for someone who has just scored 4000 runs in test cricket. All of Imran's test al round contemporaries in in 80s, had more runs than him. Its just that in the last 2-3 years, PPers have digged out this 50+ batting stat of imran and tried to make him look like Gary Sobers or Kallis.
Regarding Kapil Dev, well his pedigree is what set the leadership bar in Asia. Winning a world cup at 25 was good enough to put him in a seperate league forever. Plus Kapil was never an insecured sole. He never asked his teammates to not get out to Imran. He was a true Punjabi jatt - he came, he saw and he conquered.
imran was jack of all trades, master of none....
tendu was master at batting.
so tendu > imran (anyday)
Imran was a fast bowler.
Bradman played a quarter of the matches as Tendu. Anyway name me one fast biwler who has played more than 120 test matches ?
Your answer will prove that longevity does not equal to greatness.
Bradman played a quarter of the matches as Tendu. Anyway name me one fast biwler who has played more than 120 test matches ?
Your answer will prove that longevity does not equal to greatness.
IK is the Messi of the cricket world.
No comparison to be honest. Sachin is gonna play 200 test matches and imran didn't even played even half of 200.
Well then why exactly did Imran not make it to Cricinfo's All Time XI? And why exactly was he rated below Sachin in this list made in 2001, just half way through Sachin's career, while Imran completed his career?
http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cricket-chat/16644-espn-s-legends-cricket.html
IK wasn't contributing with bat and ball in the same phase of his career and impact by his batting was a limited one. SRT adjusted better away from home but then argument can be made for IK facing biased umpires when playing away.
Anyway, due to IK being all rounder and captain is the reasons we are comparing them. Personally, I haven't seen very convincing arguments one way or another.
The only aspect that Imran had superior to SRT was his captaincy skills. Otherwise SRT was better
imran was jack of all trades, master of none....
tendu was master at batting.
so tendu > imran (anyday)
I thought he was an all-rounder. Look at kallis.
For 10 years he had a 50+ batting average and a bowling average of under 20 and you're saying he didn't contribute with both aspects at the same time. Lol.
Glenn McGrath
Great work of thinking it through! Break it by series by series over his whole career and you will get your answer and probably a huge shock.
The stat that I posted is good enough to convince me that he has contributed with the bat and ball together for an extended period of time.
You are free to spend your free time going to all lengths to discredit Imran, however.
How many did Bradman play? Longevity does not factor in this discussion since Imran's job was much more taxing on the body than Sachin's. Bowler, batsman and captain/selector.
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Still 88 test matches were not enough to compare him with sachin. Sachin played 450 plus odi matches and 200 test matches and he is par with bradman. Imran was was a fast bowler for 3 or 4 years and he was just medium pace after that. Even kapil played 130 plus test matches. He was a bowling all-rounder as well. Bradman played in 1930s and 40s. Hence he played less matches. But imran's career was cut short due to injuries and played not even half matches compared to sachin. Bradman's career wasn't cut short due to injuries. Not even bradman could have play as many test matches and one day matches as sachin.
So what does playing 1000000 international matches prove about Sachin except that he was blessed with not being hit by injuries like Imran, who lost a number of his cricketing years right in the middle of his peak due to them. Proves nothing about quality or skill.
Glenn McGrath
I thought he was an all-rounder. Look at kallis.
Tendulkar is the Maradona of Cricket : The God.
A true 'Lion' with a bowling average of 42.09 at an equally mesmerizing strike rate of 91.3 in 4th innings of Test matches. No wonder the imposter was rated behind Sachin in the list I posted above that too when Sachin was just halfway through his career.
That list is good and it may be sufficiently objective, but do you think that sachin's greatness among other greats can be objectively decided considering that he enjoyed a status,nearly worshiped, by such a big fan base . No other cricketer can produce such massive fan following(it is not their fault), this is more a cultural thing. Do you think such large hardcore fan following/status in his country will allow a sufficient objective analysis of his legacy. When you watch videos for that list it just starts with "God like status in homeland or something along the lines...". Sachin is highly praised cricketer, no doubt about it, but there is another side to this; any cricket expert/ex cricketer when visits India question regarding sachin is the first question on his press outing, with half of the "desired" answer in the question like " Sachin is the greatest cricketer ever what are your views on him??" etc, so that expert has no other option left. I am not devaluing his massive achievements, he is one of the greatest legends of the game, this is just a question and it is valid considering the unprecedented status of particular sportsman in his homeland.