Would you swap Imran Khan for Sachin Tendulkar?

[LastManstanding]

Imran did pretty well with Inzi who as a youngster, was similar to Akmal. He also got a lot out of mediocre players like Rameez. Imran was a miles better captain than Waqar and he might not make any ATGs but he is the sort of captain who makes his players punch above their weight.

Again you are bringing inzi who was an ATG. Akmal might have talent but so does every other youngster who gets picked for the national team. I don't think Akmal is anything special.

You are giving just too much credit to imran for the success of these players in international cricket. Besides one world cup (10-12 matches) is too small a sample size.

 

[Bilal7]

Again you are bringing inzi who was an ATG. Akmal might have talent but so does every other youngster who gets picked for the national team. I don't think Akmal is anything special.

You are giving just too much credit to imran for the success of these players in international cricket. Besides one world cup (10-12 matches) is too small a sample size.

It's not one World Cup, Imran would be considered a great captain even without that WC win.

The point is that he would make our players play better than they are right now. Why would I want a guy like Tendulker who could do nothing to raise the game of his own teammates? I don't want Pakistan to become the India's of 90s with Sachin scoring mountains of runs but the team losing.

Not only would Imran himself, be the best player in the world right now, he would also improve Pakistan's gameplay as a whole.

 

[Azzurri]

Lol i would not even exchange Harbhajan Singh for Imran Khan.400+ wkts with 2 centuries in tests and 300 wkts in ODIs and T20s.Also helped India win 2 WCs whereas Imran won one which was also a fluke.

Imran khans preserve could inflate the ratio of handsome men's in India . Isn't it ?


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[Titan of Technique]

[MENTION=133998]Azzurri[/MENTION]no it would inflate the ratio of senile men.

 

[Azzurri]

[MENTION=133998]Azzurri[/MENTION]no it would inflate the ratio of senile men.

Won't make a difference when every second person is mentally senile over there


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[Titan of Technique]

[MENTION=19532]Azzuri[/MENTION] every second person? much better ratio than Pakistan actually

 

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Let the war begin

I think i posted in this thread earlier. I will never swap a match winning bowler with any great batsman because bowlers win you Test matches!

Not even Bradman but maybe only Viv can change my mind!

 

[Ankit007]

You are allowed to live in delusion that not much seperates Imran and Kapil. Unfortunately most of the world outside India only talks about botham, Hadlee and Imran as the great all rounders of that era

Of course they do. Imran was better than Kapil but not by much. they both are ATG players.

But Imran over Sachin... Sorry no....

 

[Black Zero]

Lets India keep both Sachin and IK

IK is definitely part of problem in Pakistan

 

[Strike Rate]

Lets India keep both Sachin and IK

IK is definitely part of problem in Pakistan

We gifted them malik as ghar damaad ji but they sent him back with all his political and grouping problems so pakistan team can suffer more

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

For me (personally) Imran would be the first name on the sheet as he would be my captain, 2nd strike bowler plus a very very decent #6 batsman. Let it be Tendu or whoever, I would not ever exchange Imran for anybody.

A carry will remain a carry no matter what !! Invoker, Disrup or WR can be the best God damn support there is but when a carries (who doesn't feed) get's a half decent item built. He'll on most occasions wreak havoc mid to late game.

Imran is a hard carry for the cricketing world hence his position when compared to even the greatest batsmen is unparalleled.

 

[90MPH]

Only Indian fans would pick Sachin ahead of Imran.

Imran was better as an all round package by a country mile.

 

[cricket4all]

Never in a billion years have tendulkar for Imran. Tendulkar a great batting legend ( arguably the best) but Imran probably the greatest all rounder who can win matches by batting, bowling and captaincy as well as nurturing and finding talent I.e waqar, wasim and aaqib etc

 

[street cricketer]

Only Indian fans would pick Sachin ahead of Imran.

Imran was better as an all round package by a country mile.

That is true. It was Tendulkar (& Gavaskar) who laid the foundations for a great batting culture in our country. He was the one who gave hope to a nation of a billion when we were largely mediocre both in sports and in other aspects of the nation. He was the one who made every single boy in the country to dream about becoming like Sachin one day.

I wouldn't trade Sachin for anyone else not because of his achievements but for the sheer impact he has had on our cricketing culture. And I very well know that Pakistanis wouldn't want to trade Imran for anyone else too. It's very easy to understand and there's nothing to get enraged about this unless one has the mental maturity of a 12 year old.

 

[Cricketrenew]

No wouldn't swap Imran.....why not have both!!! Kohli is more explosive then Tendulkar.
Tendulkar has the runs on the board!!! Imran could do it with bat and ball.

 

[Slog]

Take out cricket from Imran's legacy and you still have a very solid personality with a lot of achievements whether they are setting up of a cancer hospital or setting up of a university

Take out cricket from Sachin's legacy and you are left with another guy on the streets of Mumbai

And obv for many Imran's cricketing achievements and leadership qualities trumps those of Sachin's

 

[Mian]

Take out cricket from Imran's legacy and you still have a very solid personality with a lot of achievements whether they are setting up of a cancer hospital or setting up of a university

Take out cricket from Sachin's legacy and you are left with another guy on the streets of Mumbai

And obv for many Imran's cricketing achievements and leadership qualities trumps those of Sachin's

Take out bowling from Imran's cricket legacy and you still have a decent batsman and a great captain!

 

[Bilal7]

The hierarchy has always been:

1) Imran Khan

2) Sachin/Murali/Wasim
3) Murali/Wasim/Sachin
4) Wasim/Sachin/Murali

5) Waqar/Gavasker/Miandad

An ATG fast bowler who was also an ATG captain and good batsman will always trump an ATG batsman, fast bowler or spinner.

 

[Chrish]

SRT > Imran

Without much doubt

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I would take Imran without hesitation

 

[light]

Imran and Sachin had completely two different role to play. Not sure why this is even a question. If imran was a full fledge batsmen or sachin was a full fledge pace bowling allrounder, this question would have had some significant.

 

[vagabond007ti]

LOL.. this is like if you would swap your kidney for a heart. They both have different role to play.

 

[waleed88]

Imran without a doubt...

 

[Leo23]

Take out cricket from Imran's legacy and you still have a very solid personality with a lot of achievements whether they are setting up of a cancer hospital or setting up of a university

Take out cricket from Sachin's legacy and you are left with another guy on the streets of Mumbai

And obv for many Imran's cricketing achievements and leadership qualities trumps those of Sachin's

naive post

imran's philanthropy and political career have been greatly influenced by his successful cricketing career

if it wasn't for his status as a cricketing legend he would have not been able to attract huge donations for his hospitals and university and he would not have had so much influence and appeal in politics

as far as cricketing achievements are concerned tendulkar holds more batting record than any batsman dead or alive and no individual batsman will ever hold as many records as sachin

on the other hand imran is one of the greatest all rounders ever as well as one of the greatest captain due to which he probably edges tendulkar

as far as who is more beneficial to the team i think it largely depends on the team composition. if you have a good bowling unit and a solid captain tendulkar is a better option because he will greatly strengthen the batting

but if your bowling is weaker than your batting and you don't have a good captain than imran is obviously the better option

both were equally important for their countries and shaped the cricketing culture.

 

[Abdul]

Tendulkar anyday.

 

[thehub]

With bowling Pakistan had, they would have won a lot more with someone like Sachin especially in places like aus, sa. Where they won nothing. India would haveausseries in 2003 and 2008 if they had someone like wasim in the team.

 

[Hitman]

Why would any sane Pakistani trade their national hero for any other player, let alone an Indian player?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

naive post

imran's philanthropy and political career have been greatly influenced by his successful cricketing career

if it wasn't for his status as a cricketing legend he would have not been able to attract huge donations for his hospitals and university and he would not have had so much influence and appeal in politics

as far as cricketing achievements are concerned tendulkar holds more batting record than any batsman dead or alive and no individual batsman will ever hold as many records as sachin

on the other hand imran is one of the greatest all rounders ever as well as one of the greatest captain due to which he probably edges tendulkar

as far as who is more beneficial to the team i think it largely depends on the team composition. if you have a good bowling unit and a solid captain tendulkar is a better option because he will greatly strengthen the batting

but if your bowling is weaker than your batting and you don't have a good captain than imran is obviously the better option

both were equally important for their countries and shaped the cricketing culture.

What influenced his successful cricketing career?

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Imran Khan is the best cricketer among all players who have ever played cricket, a complete package with his Brilliant Captaincy, Lethal Bowling and Exceptional batting, He brought unimaginable victories to Pakistan and definitely was a better impact player than Tendulkar.

 

[Leo23]

What influenced his successful cricketing career?

contacts (initially was an undeserving selection because of his cousin majid khan) and later on hard work and determination to unlock the talent that was hiding within him

but when it comes to building hospitals on funds and launching a career in politics hard work and determination alone isn't enough

cricket proved to be a launching pad for his philanthropy and politics

an ordinary unknown man will not be able to collect so much funds to build a cancer hospital and will not get free land from the government as a gift to build the hospital on

similarly his cricketing career and later on his philanthropy boosted his political career

 

[backfootpunch]

I would want Imran because he is the bigger asset - charisma, leader of men, great captain, ATG bowler + decent batsman - his batting alone would have been suffice to make nearly every test side out there.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

contacts (initially was an undeserving selection because of his cousin majid khan) and later on hard work and determination to unlock the talent that was hiding within him

but when it comes to building hospitals on funds and launching a career in politics hard work and determination alone isn't enough

cricket proved to be a launching pad for his philanthropy and politics

an ordinary unknown man will not be able to collect so much funds to build a cancer hospital and will not get free land from the government as a gift to build the hospital on

similarly his cricketing career and later on his philanthropy boosted his political career

Yeah, I'm sure he's heard that all his life.

Except he's not an ordinary man. If not cricket, he would've succeeded in whatever he put his mind to. Imran is ambitious, determined and relentless. He's a dreamer with mental strength unmatched.

 

[Leo23]

Yeah, I'm sure he's heard that all his life.

Except he's not an ordinary man. If not cricket, he would've succeeded in whatever he put his mind to. Imran is ambitious, determined and relentless. He's a dreamer with mental strength unmatched.

yes he would have but not to this extent

there are many strong willed and ambitious people but they are not able to rise because of the lack of influence

It is much much easier to build a cancer hospital on charity and achieve success in politics when you are the most famous and loved figure in the country

a huge number of donors and voters have followed him due to his success as a cricketer

It is ridiculous to deny that cricket was not a massive launch pad for his post retirement endavours

if he wasn't a cricketer establishing a cancer hospital and becoming the leader of a political party would have been 100x more difficult

 

[DRsohail]

naive post

imran's philanthropy and political career have been greatly influenced by his successful cricketing career

if it wasn't for his status as a cricketing legend he would have not been able to attract huge donations for his hospitals and university and he would not have had so much influence and appeal in politics

as far as cricketing achievements are concerned tendulkar holds more batting record than any batsman dead or alive and no individual batsman will ever hold as many records as sachin

on the other hand imran is one of the greatest all rounders ever as well as one of the greatest captain due to which he probably edges tendulkar

as far as who is more beneficial to the team i think it largely depends on the team composition. if you have a good bowling unit and a solid captain tendulkar is a better option because he will greatly strengthen the batting

but if your bowling is weaker than your batting and you don't have a good captain than imran is obviously the better option

both were equally important for their countries and shaped the cricketing culture.

very balanced srgument,in that regard tnedu would have been great for us,,,

 

[Leo23]

very balanced srgument,in that regard tnedu would have been great for us,,,

thanks

tendulkar would indeed have been great for us but imran's influence on pakistan cricket cannot be put into words

he basically created the careers of wasim,waqar,inzi,saeed etc

 

[Slog]

naive post

imran's philanthropy and political career have been greatly influenced by his successful cricketing career

if it wasn't for his status as a cricketing legend he would have not been able to attract huge donations for his hospitals and university and he would not have had so much influence and appeal in politics

as far as cricketing achievements are concerned tendulkar holds more batting record than any batsman dead or alive and no individual batsman will ever hold as many records as sachin

on the other hand imran is one of the greatest all rounders ever as well as one of the greatest captain due to which he probably edges tendulkar

as far as who is more beneficial to the team i think it largely depends on the team composition. if you have a good bowling unit and a solid captain tendulkar is a better option because he will greatly strengthen the batting

but if your bowling is weaker than your batting and you don't have a good captain than imran is obviously the better option

both were equally important for their countries and shaped the cricketing culture.

The point clearly went over your head

Imran's will, drive and determination means that if it hadn't been cricket he would have found success in other fields he would have pursued as proven by his life post-cricket

 

[Leo23]

The point clearly went over your head

Imran's will, drive and determination means that if it hadn't been cricket he would have found success in other fields he would have pursued as proven by his life post-cricket

no it is actually my point that went over your head as i highlighted in bold

his achievements post cricket have been greatly influenced by his success as a cricketer and his legendary status

he would have found success in other fields because hard work always pays off but unless he would have been a famous public figure he would have been able to exert as much influence

for example he could have been a top engineer or a business man or a doctor but would that have helped in philanthropy and politics as much as cricket did?

obviously not because he would have been loved and followed by the masses and would have been a legendar figure

 

[Leo23]

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no it is actually my point that went over your head as i highlighted in bold

his achievements post cricket have been greatly influenced by his success as a cricketer and his legendary status

he would have found success in other fields because hard work always pays off but unless he would have been a famous public figure he would have been able to exert as much influence

for example he could have been a top engineer or a business man or a doctor but would that have helped in philanthropy and politics as much as cricket did?

obviously not because he would have been loved and followed by the masses and would have been a legendar figure

obviously not because he would not have been loved and followed by the masses and would not have been a legendary figure
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[Proactive_]

In.A.Heartbeat.

Not only would Imran then be India's greatest ever all rounder but also the best fast bowler ever and the only Indian fast bowler in history to average sub 25 in Tests. Tendulkar was one of the many very good batsmen India had during his tenure so him going wouldn't matter much, would hardly miss him.

 

[DRsohail]

thanks

tendulkar would indeed have been great for us but imran's influence on pakistan cricket cannot be put into words

he basically created the careers of wasim,waqar,inzi,saeed etc

if u are talking about the influence then probably every crickter born after imran were inspired from imran khan directly or indirectly.
Most of them inspired from imran or from the criketrs imran khan produced like inzi,waqar saleem malik,wasim akram,
few exceptions may be which have been inspired from miandad,,

 

[Monsee]

With bowling Pakistan had, they would have won a lot more with someone like Sachin especially in places like aus, sa. Where they won nothing. India would haveausseries in 2003 and 2008 if they had someone like wasim in the team.

As if India has already won a series in Australia and SA with this greatest man ever contributing to them victories; India don't even have a series win in ODIs against both the teams in their back yard (shameful for a team that claims to be the best ODI team and has been in the top tier for quite a while), let alone winning a Test Series there!

 

[Last Monetarist]

No. If it was Viv Richards, I'd give it a think for a second or two and then shake your hand off.

 

[thehub]

As if India has already won a series in Australia and SA with this greatest man ever contributing to them victories; India don't even have a series win in ODIs against both the teams in their back yard (shameful for a team that claims to be the best ODI team and has been in the top tier for quite a while), let alone winning a Test Series there!

When did I say we won test series in aus and SA. I said we would have if we had someone like wasim part of the line up. Even with your greatest team and fast bowlers, you could not win one series. Now mocking sachin for not winning it.lol.
Now bringing the odi series in to the discussion. Seriously? You say test is the best format. You don't care about odi etc. Now all in sudden odi is important because your team won in SA once. We may not be the best odi team, but we have done better than your team because we have more world cups and champion trophies than your team.beat that

 

[Hitman]

When did I say we won test series in aus and SA. I said we would have if we had someone like wasim part of the line up. Even with your greatest team and fast bowlers, you could not win one series. Now mocking sachin for not winning it.lol.
Now bringing the odi series in to the discussion. Seriously? You say test is the best format. You don't care about odi etc. Now all in sudden odi is important because your team won in SA once. We may not be the best odi team, but we have done better than your team because we have more world cups and champion trophies than your team.beat that

CB series, 2008. India won it with Sachin slamming 117* and 91 in the 1st and 2nd final respectively ensuring India wins both the matches and the series.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Depends on the batsmen in my team but 9/10 times yes

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

As a Pakistan fan, no way would I swap. Imran's legacy is not just his career individually or his captaincy and leadership and WC win, but that he esstablished the fast bowling culture in Pakistan cricket. Without him being a hero for the youth, the fast bowling culture would be absent and Wasim and Waqar and Akhtar would not emerge. They all drew direct inspiration from imran. He changed the course of cricket in the country.

 

[Napa]

Well would you? or for anyone of our other greats

Just do a Google search "Greatest Cricketers". You will get many lists of greatest cricketers. Just see the comparative position of SRT on the list vs. others and you will have your answer.

 

[Chrish]

You have millions of screamers on internet to thank for that.

 

[Proactive_]

You have millions of screamers on internet to thank for that.

LOL this. Alastair Cook recently gave his All time XI which was posted on the Lords FB page in which he didn't choose Tendulkar. Lo and behold thousands of Indians swarmed the page posting inflammatory stuff abusing Cook, his family, England, Queen, Prince yada yada. I swear like 90% of the Indians cricket fans on FB seem to be uncouth volatile cretins, leaving the rest of us sane folk look like idiots as well.

 

[Chrish]

However in this case I am genuinely convinced that SRT was superior test cricketer than imran

 

[KingKhanWC]

However in this case I am genuinely convinced that SRT was superior test cricketer than imran

Sachin could only bat.

Imran could bowl, bat and captain. He was also a bigger star around the world. Imran being better looking, having stronger personality and having more charisma made him known to those outside of cricket.

Imran also is not just a cricketer, he is much bigger than Sachin in all areas of life.

 

[Chrish]

Sachin could only bat.

Imran could bowl, bat and captain. He was also a bigger star around the world. Imran being better looking, having stronger personality and having more charisma made him known to those outside of cricket.

Imran also is not just a cricketer, he is much bigger than Sachin in all areas of life.

That's your personal opinion. Sobers and Bradman are two greatest cricketers; after that there are half a dozen guys competing for the 3rd spot; SRT and Imran being two of them.

 

[ExplicitAI]

Even though Sachin was an ATG batsman, I wouldn't swap him for Imran who was an ATG bowler, ATG captain and an excellent batsman who gritted it out.

 

[JoniInsafian]

Even if you ignore captaincy, charisma, talent spottingg, philanthropy, political career, education, innovation with reverse swing, match-winning ability,..... just barely based on cricket stats, Imran is superior... He is one of ATG fast bowlers and on top he averaged 50 with the bat for last 1O years of his career...

 

[Tusker]

Lets do some basic arithmetic here for those who suggest Imran was better than Tendulkar ... Imran Played 88 Tests and Tendulkar played 200 which is 2.27 times as many Tests. Are we saying that Imran achieved twice as much as Tendulkar in Test Cricket ?

after that (and if there is still a doubt) there is the small matter of 463 ODIs that Tendulkar played ...

The thing is Imran is never in the reckoning for top 5 ATG Bowler to be considered in the same bracket as Tendulkar.

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]

 

[Tusker]

Sachin could only bat.

Thats not true at all .... he could bowl and did so. 200 Intl wkts dont happen just like that. Yes he concentrated mainly on Batting but 200 intl wkts is a useful contribution with the ball. Without his bowling spells 2 of the most iconic wins of Indian Cricket - Kolkatta 2001, Adelaide 2003 would not have happened.

And then there is the fielding.

 

[ManFan]

One is a great batsmen and decent bowler. The other is a decent bateman, great bowler, and an all time great captain. Imran adds more value to the team than Tendulkar.

 

[amax]

Thats like asking will you exchange your Kidney for a heart lol < i will like to have both. Also Sachins career as non cricketer has just begun I hope he do just like what Imran has done for poor of his country.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Batsmen win you matches, bowlers win you tournaments ...

I'll stick with the guy who can win you a match with ball.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Lets do some basic arithmetic here for those who suggest Imran was better than Tendulkar ... Imran Played 88 Tests and Tendulkar played 200 which is 2.27 times as many Tests. Are we saying that Imran achieved twice as much as Tendulkar in Test Cricket ?

after that (and if there is still a doubt) there is the small matter of 463 ODIs that Tendulkar played ...

The thing is Imran is never in the reckoning for top 5 ATG Bowler to be considered in the same bracket as Tendulkar.

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]

No one in their right mind would even think of picking Imran over Tendulkar. Tendulkar is the greatest cricketer to have played this game, Tendulkar wipes the floor with Imran khan

 

[Napa]

Lets do some basic arithmetic here for those who suggest Imran was better than Tendulkar ... Imran Played 88 Tests and Tendulkar played 200 which is 2.27 times as many Tests. Are we saying that Imran achieved twice as much as Tendulkar in Test Cricket ?

after that (and if there is still a doubt) there is the small matter of 463 ODIs that Tendulkar played ...

The thing is Imran is never in the reckoning for top 5 ATG Bowler to be considered in the same bracket as Tendulkar.

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]

Imran's achievements in cricket are great, but fanbois who compare him to SRT are doing him a disservice. Imran doesn't figure in top ten of most lists, whereas SRT is in the top 5 of most lists.

 

[Tusker]

I think i posted in this thread earlier. I will never swap a match winning bowler with any great batsman because bowlers win you Test matches!

Not even Bradman but maybe only Viv can change my mind!

Batsmen win you matches, bowlers win you tournaments ...

I'll stick with the guy who can win you a match with ball.

the stats tell a different story. Pakistan even with many great bowlers alongside Imran in 88 tests won just 2 more Tests than what India managed to win during Tendulkars first 88 Tests ( 24 Wins )

Links:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/40560.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...1;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

 

[Napa]

the stats tell a different story. Pakistan even with many great bowlers alongside Imran in 88 tests won just 2 more Tests than what India managed to win during Tendulkars first 88 Tests ( 24 Wins )

Links:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/40560.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...1;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Not only that. Tendulkar would have won 60 out of 88 matches if he was playing with the current team which has won 20 out the last 27 while losing only 2!