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Would you swap Imran Khan for Sachin Tendulkar?

That jump of Imran and that run-up was just insane and then the incisive inswinger imagine if the media and internet was that powerful at that time.

now we all sorts of wannabe trying to market themselves :kohli
 
Strike Rate said:
haha really? :D
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This is so embarrassing, keeping in mind the fact that how much I respect Imran Khan :facepalm:

I was expecting to be banned or at least ge ta stern warning when I opened PP today morning. Thankfully none of that happened. But I promise nothing of this sort will happen again. My drinking habit has embarrassed me on multiple occasions in the past. Even more than that, such instances embarrasses the rest of the Indian posters here, for which I'm solely responsible for.
 
Hitman said:
This is so embarrassing, keeping in mind the fact that how much I respect Imran Khan :facepalm:

I was expecting to be banned or at least ge ta stern warning when I opened PP today morning. Thankfully none of that happened. But I promise nothing of this sort will happen again. My drinking habit has embarrassed me on multiple occasions in the past. Even more than that, such instances embarrasses the rest of the Indian posters here, for which I'm solely responsible for.
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haha it's ok i hope people will understand your situation now but i am surprised you used PP after getting drunk and searched for an old thread to bump :13:
 
IN test matches its not even close Imran Khan all the way in a hearbeat,
in odi's tho it is alot alot closer and I would probably with gun to head pick Sachin....
 
cricjunkie2 said:
I am sorry, Imran's success as a bowler came at a time when ball tampering was rampant and there was no technology to catch cheats. Imran as i understand was either a useful batsman or a good bowler at any point in time. He was rarely an allrounder for a good part of his career - if you look at his stats though, it paints the opposite picture.
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So if u r saying that Imran cheated and tempered with the ball, and thus it makes Tendulkar better, then I am sorry to shatter your dreams.

Sachin is on the record for being caught tempering with the ball and getting appropriately punished. :))
 
Strike Rate said:
haha it's ok i hope people will understand your situation now but i am surprised you used PP after getting drunk and searched for an old thread to bump :13:
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Big fan of digging up old threads, always have been. Even threads as far back as 2005.
 
Two highly insecure, sensitive and intolerant fan clubs at loggerheads with each other.
 
Singham said:
Most Matches in Test :198
Most runs in Test :15837 runs
Most runs in ODI :18426 runs
Most Fours in ODI :2016 fours
Most Fours in Test :2044 Fours
Most 150+ scores in ODI :5
Most 150+ scores in test :20
Most hundreds by a batsman in Test: 51 Hundreds
Most Hundreds by a batsman in ODI :49 Hundreds
Most Ninties in ODI : 18
Most Ninties in Test :10
Most fifties by a batsman in Test : 67
Most fifties by a batsman in ODI : 96
Most Man of Match in ODI :62
Most Man of series in ODI :15
Most Balls Faced in ODI :21367
Most ODI runs in a calendar year :1,894 ODI runs in 1998.
Most Centuries in a calendar year : 9 ODI Centuries in 1998.
Most runs scored by a batsman in ODI tournament Finals: Tendulkar 1851,
Most centuries hit by a batsman in ODI tournament Finals: Tendulkar (6 ton)
Most Runs in world cup : 2278
Most Runs in single world cup : 673 Runs in 2003 world cup
Most Hundreds in world cup :6
Most fifties in world cup :15
Most successful batsman in Wins (11157 runs in 234 matches)
Most successful batsman in chases - 5490 runs in 127 matches)

Yes it is one and only SACHIN TENDULKAR

Not only imran, entire Pakistan can be swapped for such a record. Good night.
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Don't forget Tendulkar's man of the series award in Australia 99/2000 and the great Alan Donald rates him the best and also the fact he did well in England, Australia, South Africa, Just like his Perth and Sydney hundreds in 1992.

AND hitting Qadir for 4 sixes in 4 balls as a 16 year old after the former told him to go drink milk.
 
Why would you do that?

not giving tendulkar for a lucky captain...

he scored with strike rate of 50 or something right..in wc 1992? yah...no...not giving tendulkar !
 
I have huge respect for Imran Khan, no doubt in my eyes the best all rounder ever and playing a decisive role in turning round the country's cricketing fortunes with wins in India, England a drawn test series in West Indies and a world cup win.
 
JoniInsafian said:
Mention not..... Helping neighbors is a good action.....
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Why are you still on this forum? Stop embarrassing yourself with this vile talk. Mods how can you tolerate these type of posts and let this troll still post? People like you give all Pakistanis a bad name. Shame on you!
 
It would cost a whole lot more than an Imran Khan to have a shot at getting SRT. Kapil Dev has given us almost as much glory as Imran so we already had a taste of it while Pakistan never have or never will ever know what it feels like to have a once in a lifetime player like SRT....
 
Unnecessary baiting by Romali Roti.

Imran Khan has achieved 10X more than Kapil.

Anyhoo...this thread is mess already.
 
sachintendulkar76 said:
what a bullcrap. what more did he achieve than Kapil?
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Wow.

ATG bowler.

ATG captain in tests.

Competed against Wi in their home and drew a series (actually won if not for umpiring error).

WC winning captain.

Built a pace legacy.

If Kapil > Imran then Sanga is !0X SRT.

That's how absurd this is.

If you need data to know why Imran has achieved more than Kapil, I can only laugh.

Do dig around in neutral places and see.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Unnecessary baiting by Romali Roti.

Imran Khan has achieved 10X more than Kapil.

Anyhoo...this thread is mess already.
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10x more? Kapil more than held his own against greats of the game. He was to Imran what Donald was to Waqar and Wasim, what Lara was to Sachin. You are overrating Immy and underrating Dev.

Pakistan has not produced any batsmen who can match the caliber of Gavaskar and Tendulkar.
 
Tera Gawaandi said:
10x more? Kapil more than held his own against greats of the game. He was to Imran what Donald was to Waqar and Wasim, what Lara was to Sachin. You are overrating Immy and underrating Dev.

Pakistan has not produced any batsmen who can match the caliber of Gavaskar and Tendulkar.
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I never said Kapil was bad.

He was an ATG allrounder.
 
Impact wise sachin's career = Imran's

Sachin is the inspiration for Kohli, Rahane, Dhawan , Rohit and many other Indian Batsman. Infact Kohli has admitted openly that how he got motivated by Sachin's 'DESERT STORM' and wanted to be a player like him.

The impact of sachin is still going strong as more and more young palyers wanted to be the next tendulkar.
 
"He was to Imran what Donald was to Waqar and Wasim"

No he wasn't. There's a case for Donald being better than both these bowlers, can't say the same about Kapil in comparison to Imran. I think overwhelming majority would agree.
 
hashmist said:
Why are you still on this forum? Stop embarrassing yourself with this vile talk. Mods how can you tolerate these type of posts and let this troll still post? People like you give all Pakistanis a bad name. Shame on you!
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Maybe I don't write pretty... But I talk truth... Nobody has an answer for what I said.... So I am not a troll if nobody has an answer to my argument....

Tendulkar never did anything for India.... Shame on him....
 
Khaseer said:
"He was to Imran what Donald was to Waqar and Wasim"

No he wasn't. There's a case for Donald being better than both these bowlers, can't say the same about Kapil in comparison to Imran. I think overwhelming majority would agree.
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Yes.

Kapil wasn't ATG. All others be it Donald, Waqar, Wasim, Imran, etc, etc are ATGs.

Kapil was an ATG allrounder and that's that.

Can't compare with Imran or Sobers or Hadlee who were ATGs in their field too.
 
JoniInsafian said:
Maybe I don't write pretty... But I talk truth... Nobody has an answer for what I said.... So I am not a troll if nobody has an answer to my argument....

Tendulkar never did anything for India.... Shame on him....
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Abe Genius.

Tendulkar does not owe it to his country to do anything extra.

He gave his best in the field and that's the most you can ask for a sportsman.

What he does next is HIS FREAKING CHOICE.

Imran is doing more so kudos to him.

We are talking about them as players and not as people who gave more to the society.

Just because people don't respond to your dumb illogical comments doesn't mean you are spouting some jaw dropping knowledge.

Now go and ahead and waste someone else's time.
 
mods do everyone a favor and lock this thread.

its an insult to anyones intelligence for the debate to be there

If you want a player just for pleasure and luxurythen maybe its an equal fight between the 2.

But in terms of value to a team no one can seriously say Sachin is more valuable than Imran. Id say even Ganguly would be more valuable to a poor team than Sachin.

Lets say you have a team of 10 who are a mixture young cricketers with some promise and some mediocre cricketers.

And for the 11th man you get a swap between Sachin and Imran. Seriously will anyone pick Sachin?

Imran will get you wickets, score some gritty innings and allow others to play around him. And more than anything he will captain the side well and have great tactics and inspire everyone else around him to give that little bit more. Will Sachin do the same?
 
Sound like a : Will you exchange a ferari for a mercedes? type of question.

Answer is : Depends on wether a person prefers a Mercedes or a Ferari
 
mp812rediff said:
Sound like a : Will you exchange a ferari for a mercedes? type of question.

Answer is : Depends on wether a person prefers a Mercedes or a Ferari
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Actually right answer would be : I hope I have both
 
Hypothetical and pointless question comparing apple with orange. Such comparison has no practical use.
 
captain wise I feel Imran was amazing captain for finding all those players and controlling the egos in the dressing room thats why he was so valuable ,as a player I would take tendu
 
In 90's i won't swap Sachin for anyone , he was the only one capable of taking on great bowlers in our team for consistent basis.
On home conditions Srinath, Kumble were match winners with ball.
In 2000's Indian batting lineup was quite decent, a ATG bowlers would have meant us winning far more matches even without Sachin.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Unnecessary baiting by Romali Roti.

Imran Khan has achieved 10X more than Kapil.

Anyhoo...this thread is mess already.
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I see sometimes you are a little senseless. Dev single handedly put Indian cricket on the Map, His records vs the WI (the greatest side of his era is neck and neck with Imran) I dont care what you do against the rest but if you dont show up against the best you are NOT GOOD. Dev won the WC for India a decade before an Imran got lucky with rain. Imran is the better player I have no issues admitting it, but India tasted similar success under DEV which Imran did for Pakistan hence it would take a whole lot more than Imran to get Tendulkar.


P.S. How did you come to the conclusion Imran was the greatest captain ? Can you show me how many series he wouldve won overseas TESTS & ODIs overseas etc. I am curious to see how good Imran is I am sure he won all the series ?
 
Romali_rotti said:
I see sometimes you are a little senseless. Dev single handedly put Indian cricket on the Map, His records vs the WI (the greatest side of his era is neck and neck with Imran) I dont care what you do against the rest but if you dont show up against the best you are NOT GOOD. Dev won the WC for India a decade before an Imran got lucky with rain. Imran is the better player I have no issues admitting it, but India tasted similar success under DEV which Imran did for Pakistan hence it would take a whole lot more than Imran to get Tendulkar.


P.S. How did you come to the conclusion Imran was the greatest captain ? Can you show me how many series he wouldve won overseas TESTS & ODIs overseas etc. I am curious to see how good Imran is I am sure he won all the series ?
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lol the boldest is the stupidest statement i have ever read

Inzy won the WC a whole 2 decades before Sachin. Not just one. And played crucial role. So going by your logic Inzy is better than Sachin. Great to see an Indian being so magnanimous admitting that and not losing his mind on Sachin not being better than someone
 
jeetu said:
In 90's i won't swap Sachin for anyone , he was the only one capable of taking on great bowlers in our team for consistent basis.
On home conditions Srinath, Kumble were match winners with ball.
In 2000's Indian batting lineup was quite decent, a ATG bowlers would have meant us winning far more matches even without Sachin.
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in 90s replacing sachin with Imran would have been even more important.

In such a weak indian team all sachin would do is score a pretty innings in a loss. All he would do is lessen the margin of defeat.

Imran would contribute with bat, ball and even more importantly he would inspire everyone as a leader due to his charisma and tactics
 
Its a no brainer. Cricket isnt just played on the scoreboard and on paper

Sachin would accumulate good stats and play good innings but Imran would contribute with his performances AND leadership.

If I have a world class team already Id choose either and it doesnt matter. But if I have an okay team and I want my team to become better and fight above its weight then Imran is a no brainer
 
I dont think even the biggest sachinistas can deny that Sachin was a failure as a leader and captain. Nothing wrong in that because his cricketing achievements are enough but as far as OP's question is concerned, lack of leadership and charisma makes the question a no brainer
 
Romali_rotti said:
I see sometimes you are a little senseless. Dev single handedly put Indian cricket on the Map, His records vs the WI (the greatest side of his era is neck and neck with Imran) I dont care what you do against the rest but if you dont show up against the best you are NOT GOOD. Dev won the WC for India a decade before an Imran got lucky with rain. Imran is the better player I have no issues admitting it, but India tasted similar success under DEV which Imran did for Pakistan hence it would take a whole lot more than Imran to get Tendulkar.


P.S. How did you come to the conclusion Imran was the greatest captain ? Can you show me how many series he wouldve won overseas TESTS & ODIs overseas etc. I am curious to see how good Imran is I am sure he won all the series ?
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I do rate Kapil and you probably haven't seen my posts about Kapil in this forum or elsewhere.

I do think Kapil a better ODI allrounder.

But Imran literally achieved 10X overall though Kapil was such a natural talent with both bat and ball (which Imran was not).

Imran was an ATG bowler and captain (didn't say Imran was the best ever captain).

Check Imran's impact in 80s. Next best WL record compared to WI. Pak almost won a series in WI against WI.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...1980;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

There is nothing senseless in what I say. Ask any neutral and they would say the same.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I do rate Kapil and you probably haven't seen my posts about Kapil in this forum or elsewhere.

I do think Kapil a better ODI allrounder.

But Imran literally achieved 10X overall though Kapil was such a natural talent with both bat and ball (which Imran was not).

Imran was an ATG bowler and captain (didn't say Imran was the best ever captain).

Check Imran's impact in 80s. Next best WL record compared to WI. Pak almost won a series in WI against WI.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...1980;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

There is nothing senseless in what I say. Ask any neutral and they would say the same.
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Ans my question from the previous post:

- How many overseas series test/ODIs have Imran won ? I am trying to find a reason for him being the all time best captain.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Ans my question from the previous post:

- How many overseas series test/ODIs have Imran won ? I am trying to find a reason for him being the all time best captain.
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As if the answer to your question holds the secret. :))

If you need stats to know he is an ATG captain, then I can only laugh.

Overseas WL records - Pakistan is still No 2.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...1980;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

Dunno how many series. Have to check. Dunno how to check in cricinfo.

But during 80s with the rampaging WI as No 1, Pak was No 2 and that was amazing stuff.
 
For their times, an ATG bowler pips an ATG batsman every time because matches are won by bowlers.

In modern cricket, the odds are loaded against the bowler. Great batsman is almost always a better asset compared to a great bowler nowadays.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I do rate Kapil and you probably haven't seen my posts about Kapil in this forum or elsewhere.

I do think Kapil a better ODI allrounder.

But Imran literally achieved 10X overall though Kapil was such a natural talent with both bat and ball (which Imran was not).

Imran was an ATG bowler and captain (didn't say Imran was the best ever captain).

Check Imran's impact in 80s. Next best WL record compared to WI. Pak almost won a series in WI against WI.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...1980;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

There is nothing senseless in what I say. Ask any neutral and they would say the same.
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What is this 10X thing? Did Imran win ten times more matches than Kapil? Averaged 1/10th? Took wickets ten times faster? Scored ten times more runs or averaged 10X higher? No neutral would agree with rating any player 10X any other. Much less when the players compared are Imran and Kapil, both considered finest allrounders during their periods. Imran was perhaps 1.2X Kapil, that is it.

Kapil faced more odds compared to Imran and his performances have to be evaluated taking all these into account. He was a lone wolf in his team operating along with bowlers who averaged 40+ throughout his career, mostly on unconducive Indian tracks. Kapil played many more matches than Imran even though Imran's career span was greater. Kapil never missed matches like Imran - in both tests and ODIs and rarely underbowled in matches like Imran. Kapil's condition was far worse than Misbah in the present Pakistani team, as far as Indian bowling was concerned. Just like Pakistani team brings down Misbah to his knees every time, so did the fellow Indian bowlers put the pressure on Kapil in every match. And Kapil, like Misbah stood tall against the storm winds.
 
IndianWillow said:
What is this 10X thing? Did Imran win ten times more matches than Kapil? Averaged 1/10th? Took wickets ten times faster? Scored ten times more runs or averaged 10X higher? No neutral would agree with rating any player 10X any other. Much less when the players compared are Imran and Kapil, both considered finest allrounders during their periods. Imran was perhaps 1.2X Kapil, that is it.

Kapil faced more odds compared to Imran and his performances have to be evaluated taking all these into account. He was a lone wolf in his team operating along with bowlers who averaged 40+ throughout his career, mostly on unconducive Indian tracks. Kapil played many more matches than Imran even though Imran's career span was greater. Kapil never missed matches like Imran - in both tests and ODIs and rarely underbowled in matches like Imran. Kapil's condition was far worse than Misbah in the present Pakistani team, as far as Indian bowling was concerned. Just like Pakistani team brings down Misbah to his knees every time, so did the fellow Indian bowlers put the pressure on Kapil in every match. And Kapil, like Misbah stood tall against the storm winds.
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10X is obviously figure of speech.

Still Kapil cannot be compared to Imran as an allrounder. Yes, both are ATG allrounders but on a level comparison, Imran towers above Kapil.
 
Imran Khan gave us a decade of world dominance. Tendulkar didn't.

Imran Khan left behind his hand-picked players who went on to form the golden-generation of 90s. Tendulkar hasn't.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
10X is obviously figure of speech.

Still Kapil cannot be compared to Imran as an allrounder. Yes, both are ATG allrounders but on a level comparison, Imran towers above Kapil.
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Imran definitely was a better allrounder than Kapil but saying 10X even figuratively is sheer stupidity. That type of comparison is reversed when you are comparing McGrath the batsman with Bradman the batsman. Kapil was a great natural talent who I feel never fulfilled it, though his stats are impressive.

Coming to topic, Imran will be a better bet in Tests, as they are won by bowlers and Imran was one of the greatest ever bowlers. But, in ODIs, will pick Sachin.
 
LegendInzi said:
Imran Khan gave us a decade of world dominance. Tendulkar didn't.

Imran Khan left behind his hand-picked players who went on to form the golden-generation of 90s. Tendulkar hasn't.
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This is where I disagree too.

1. Imran is a bowler. So great bowlerswhen they do well will win more games.

Kumble who is no ATG has won more games for his team than Lara.

So?

Means nothing.

2. Imran had a very good team too which resulted in world dominance.

SRT in 90s has BETTER averages in wins (setting and chase) yet we won less games.

Post 2000s, he was much inferior, yet we won more games.

Result: Team matters.

I agree most won't swap Imran for SRT but don't agree with your reasons.

By the way, SRT changed the face of Indian batting. Forever.

Bat fast. Bat aggressively. Bat for long.

All the Indian guns you see now are SRT products as everyone in India wants to be SRT.

His impact will be felt for more than the next 30 years at the very least and the style of batsmanship he left behind will stay forever.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
As if the answer to your question holds the secret. :))

If you need stats to know he is an ATG captain, then I can only laugh.

Overseas WL records - Pakistan is still No 2.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...1980;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

Dunno how many series. Have to check. Dunno how to check in cricinfo.

But during 80s with the rampaging WI as No 1, Pak was No 2 and that was amazing stuff.
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Again answer the question, instead of drifting.
 
lol at swapping tendulakr for imran. imran was a genuine ATG match winner, tendulkar was a decent batsman-that's it.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Again I gave you 2 stats.

Go and see that.

Its not drifting.

Your arguments to prove Imran is not an ATG test captain are lame.
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Don't even bother, bro. No need to lower yourself to the level of these trolls.

I will say that if Kapil was as good as Sachin, then Miandad was as good as Sachin. We have definitely had our taste of ATG/great batsmen.

Imran > Sachin with all due respect to the greatest batsman from the subcon.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Again I gave you 2 stats.

Go and see that.

Its not drifting.

Your arguments to prove Imran is not an ATG test captain are lame.
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Again still waiting for the answer to my question, I will ask again:

How many series have 10 x better Imran has won overseas we are taking tests/ODIs. Going from reading your post since Immy is an all time great captain he would have won most if not all...


Waiting....


Waiting....
 
Romali_rotti said:
Again still waiting for the answer to my question, I will ask again:

How many series have 10 x better Imran has won overseas we are taking tests/ODIs. Going from reading your post since Immy is an all time great captain he would have won most if not all...


Waiting....


Waiting....
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As a combo, Imran is far ahead of Kapil. Its a fact. any neutral fan would say the same.

Ponting has won everything he has touched. Doesn't mean he is necessarily an ATG captain. Was a great man manager.

Dravid was the captain when we won series in WI and Eng right?

Ganguly wasn't the captain when those seroes yet Ganguly is way better captain than Dravid.

As for captain, Imran has done lots. Great leader. Build a great team (of course there was talent but he built them). Best WL record next to WIs in the 80s. Drew with the WI team at their home.

Someone can post his series stats as I am unable to get that in cricinfo.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
As a combo, Imran is far ahead of Kapil. Its a fact. any neutral fan would say the same.

Ponting has won everything he has touched. Doesn't mean he is necessarily an ATG captain. Was a great man manager.

Dravid was the captain when we won series in WI and Eng right?

Ganguly wasn't the captain when those seroes yet Ganguly is way better captain than Dravid.

As for captain, Imran has done lots. Great leader. Build a great team (of course there was talent but he built them). Best WL record next to WIs in the 80s. Drew with the WI team at their home.

Someone can post his series stats as I am unable to get that in cricinfo.
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Again, I already said Imran was better than Kapil, however you have yet to prove how Imran is a great ATG captain. You are all talk and no action, Answer my question till then I will keep asking and all you will do is drift...
 
Romali_rotti said:
Again, I already said Imran was better than Kapil, however you have yet to prove how Imran is a great ATG captain. You are all talk and no action, Answer my question till then I will keep asking and all you will do is drift...
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I already gave you the answer like 3 times. You don't want to read it.

1. Stats of series wins - I dunno how to extract it.
2. Pakistan has the 2nd best WL records in 80s when Imran captained.
3. Pakistan has the 2nd best WL records (outside home) in 80s when Imran captained.
4. Imran built a great team
5. Fought with WI and drew with them at home

This was during the WI era.

You have made up your mind just like anti SRT fans who think SRT was not a match winner. That's why I guess you choose to ignore my answers and keep asking the same question again and again.

WL records is not everything too (though Imran has it). Leadership, tactics, team building, making team fight as a unit everything counts and one simply doesn't need stats to conclude Imran was an ATG captain just like on doesn't need stats to conclude Ganguly changed India's attitude.

Although stats are there in Imran's case in the form of WL records.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I already gave you the answer like 3 times. You don't want to read it.

1. Stats of series wins - I dunno how to extract it.
2. Pakistan has the 2nd best WL records in 80s when Imran captained.
3. Pakistan has the 2nd best WL records (outside home) in 80s when Imran captained.
4. Imran built a great team
5. Fought with WI and drew with them at home

This was during the WI era.

You have made up your mind just like anti SRT fans who think SRT was not a match winner. That's why I guess you choose to ignore my answers and keep asking the same question again and again.

WL records is not everything too (though Imran has it). Leadership, tactics, team building, making team fight as a unit everything counts and one simply doesn't need stats to conclude Imran was an ATG captain just like on doesn't need stats to conclude Ganguly changed India's attitude.

Although stats are there in Imran's case in the form of WL records.
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Not the answer to my question...

You are saying you dont know how to get the stats from cricinfo, however does it also means you dont know the answer to my question ? If so then you have no credibility to say Imran was an ATG captain as you dont have his full record as captain playing in overseas conditions. So till you put up the stats sorry he wasnt 10x better than DEV nor is he an ATG captain..
 
I tried to dig up stats in a different way.

Here's what I found.

In the 80s (away from home):

Pakistan won a series against England.

Pakistan drew with WI (almost a win if not a umpiring error).

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...team=7;template=results;type=team;view=series

Looks like he won only 1 series against England and drew with WI and lost respectably even when he lost - so he must not be ATG captain. :))
 
Romali_rotti said:
Not the answer to my question...

You are saying you dont know how to get the stats from cricinfo, however does it also means you dont know the answer to my question ? If so then you have no credibility to say Imran was an ATG captain as you dont have his full record as captain playing in overseas conditions. So till you put up the stats sorry he wasnt 10x better than DEV nor is he an ATG captain..
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I found a way to get the stats. Had to tick a different box.

ATG captains aren;t judged by WL records even though Imran had it.

Fleming was a superior captain to most but some of his records as captain are woeful.

I have explained it too many times but this is like talking to someone who calls SRt not a match winner.

For the last time - I called Imran as a package far more superior to Kapil. Not only as a captain.
 
Question for Pak fans, since Mr sensible doesnt know, how many series have Imran captain Pakistan to a victory outside of Pakistan ? I know he won in India however which were the other ones ?
 
If you need stats to accept Imran Khan was an ATG captain, then let it go. :)))

Anyhoo.....

Imran fans deserve SRT fans.

Match made in heaven.
 
Poor thread. Indians won't even swap Yuvraj for Imran, so how do you expect Pakistanis to swap their so called "greatest match winner" for an Indian? :facepalm:
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I found a way to get the stats. Had to tick a different box.

ATG captains aren;t judged by WL records even though Imran had it.

Fleming was a superior captain to most but some of his records as captain are woeful.

I have explained it too many times but this is like talking to someone who calls SRt not a match winner.

For the last time - I called Imran as a package far more superior to Kapil. Not only as a captain.
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Ok still talk and no action..
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I tried to dig up stats in a different way.

Here's what I found.

In the 80s (away from home):

Pakistan won a series against England.

Pakistan drew with WI (almost a win if not a umpiring error).

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...team=7;template=results;type=team;view=series

Looks like he won only 1 series against England and drew with WI and lost respectably even when he lost - so he must not be ATG captain. :))
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Well done you found it lol... Ahh so he won 2 series and lost 5 and drew 4, and this is supposed to be an ATG stat ? :))
 
Romali_rotti said:
Well done you found it lol... Ahh so he won 2 series and lost 5 and drew 4, and this is supposed to be an ATG stat ? :))
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Yes.

He was an ATG captain NOT because of stats (he does have WL records) but what he did.

Just like Ganguly was a better captain than Dravid inspite of the latter having series win in England and WI.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yes.

He was an ATG captain NOT because of stats (he does have WL records) but what he did.

Just like Ganguly was a better captain than Dravid inspite of the latter having series win in England and WI.
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Give it a rest dude, winning 2 series out of 11 series played outside of Pakistan ? Oh please.................
 
Romali_rotti said:
Question for Pak fans, since Mr sensible doesnt know, how many series have Imran captain Pakistan to a victory outside of Pakistan ? I know he won in India however which were the other ones ?
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It is a known fact that everything about Imran's captaincy is hugely exaggerated by Pakistanis. That guy almost lost them the WC with his selfish batting. It was only bcz of an out of form Inzi's unexpected magic inning that Imran could save his face.

If it wasn't for Inzi, Imran's legacy would be " The guy who played a selfish WC knock".

Everone knows that bro. But what is the point of talking about all this on a Pakistani forum? You are never going to change people's opinion. So don't waste your energy.
 
I will give them all the Akmals for one Gavaskar, greatest Bharti batsmen bar none.
 
Electron said:
It is a known fact that everything about Imran's captaincy is hugely exaggerated by Pakistanis. That guy almost lost them the WC with his selfish batting. It was only bcz of an out of form Inzi's unexpected magic inning that Imran could save his face.

If it wasn't for Inzi, Imran's legacy would be " The guy who played a selfish WC knock".

Everone knows that bro. But what is the point of talking about all this on a Pakistani forum? You are never going to change people's opinion. So don't waste your energy.
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Imran stamped his legacy after the WC win, it was Wasim who played his heart out and the rain that came to help but the glory got poured on Imran for his cornered tiger speech lol...
 
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