Yet another US mass shooting

[dashing_man]

Why do Pakistanis do this? Why fight so much for others when it isn't reciprocated? Even Afghans don't go the levels that Pakistanis do and they've had half their country destroyed by the west!

Following the example of Indonesians and Malaysians would be better. I haven't heard of these communities doing any terrorist attacks in the west.

why you being so naive ?

 

[TSA321]

Why do Pakistanis do this? Why fight so much for others when it isn't reciprocated? Even Afghans don't go the levels that Pakistanis do and they've had half their country destroyed by the west!

Following the example of Indonesians and Malaysians would be better. I haven't heard of these communities doing any terrorist attacks in the west.

There's barely any Malaysians or Indonesians in Western countries compared to Desis or Arabs. If t here were more Malaysians then I suspect they'd be quite prominent when it comes to these things as they are very into the ummah concept.

 

[Stewie]

Why do Pakistanis do this? Why fight so much for others when it isn't reciprocated? Even Afghans don't go the levels that Pakistanis do and they've had half their country destroyed by the west!

Following the example of Indonesians and Malaysians would be better. I haven't heard of these communities doing any terrorist attacks in the west.

Wait a minute. How many countries and areas do you think Pakistanis are fighting like that? Its a myth. Afghanistan was one because of its proximity to us and because of active recruitments by the US and PAk agencies but thats about it. Pakistani citizens dont go outside fighting other wars.

 

[Stewie]

Then they are ghulams as well. Will Malaysians help Pakistanis in Kashmir? Or is fighting for the ummah just to help out muslims in the middle east? It seems like a raw deal.

Pakistanis are not considered good enough fighters by Arabs. We are not in ISIS and we are not fighting any such wars. Its a myth totted by your Indian media. Do some fact checking yourself.

 

[Stewie]

People of Pakistani origin have been involved in many terrorist acts and plots in the UK and USA.

US? How many? SOURCES?

UK- BRITISH BORN... brainwashed by the local scholars who were probably Arabs. They probably never even went to Pakistan. You can check these things. It is better to check these things before you make any claims.

Pakistan cannot take the blame for whatever evils first generation British born kids of Pakistani origin are involved in.

Also you have to keep in mind most of the Pakistani families settled in the UK belong to, no offense to them, lower or lower middle class people with not a whole lot of education. They are more susceptible to being corrupted

 

[Professor]

Extremely tragic event, RIP to the victims.

I don't understand why some Indians are trying to link this to Pakistam/Islam. The police have not revealed a motive. Do you guys have some sort of insider info?

Anyways another similar mass shooting happened in US last week, how is this any differnet?

 

[mani1]

2/3 of the Pakistani 7/7 bombers were Potoharis btw.

Any proof of this such as celebrating the death of said terrorists in Jhelum Pindi etc
Like what occured in Faisalabad?
Potoharis are brehlvis not salafis

 

[Saeed]

I don't understand why some Indians are trying to link this to Pakistam/Islam. The police have not revealed a motive. Do you guys have some sort of insider info?

I am surprised you don't know the answer. Indians hate Pakistan since it divided India into three countries and the fact that Pakistanis are Muslims. They put great effort trying to make Pakistan look bad.

 

[Stewie]

I'm not rejoicing at all! Its just that when a Pakistani carries out an attack like this, life gets harder for Indians in the west as we look similar to you.

LeoFender. If you are located in UK, feel sorry for you. But those are home grown British kids. No point in blaming Pakistan for them.

 

[speed]

I'm not rejoicing at all! Its just that when a Pakistani carries out an attack like this, life gets harder for Indians in the west as we look similar to you.

I have never faced racism, even though I have the most obvious muslim name, Most brits can differentiate between a sikh and a muslim, The British think highly of sikhs.

 

[Saeed]

I'm not rejoicing at all! Its just that when a Pakistani carries out an attack like this, life gets harder for Indians in the west as we look similar to you.

I doubt you really believe in what you just said. But anyways mistaking Indians as a Muslim is just an excuse. Usually the attackers in America are racist and they will attack anyone that isn't American White. The shooter(Page) of Sikh Gurdwara belonged to hate group. I hope you will be happy when they target the "right" people.

 

[Abdullah719]

14 killed and 21 wounded according to the latest figures. Presser ongoing now.

 

[Abdullah719]

Wow... these two had a lot of ammunition.

 

[StreetSmart]

No one should be getting killed. It's frustrating seeing religious radicals living in the west going on killing sprees. Europe got rid of this problem in the 1700s.

I know there are some radical Christians but it is rare to hear of them massacring people in their own country.

Please dont start this fight again, When some one other than Muslim kills some one its either "Fight gainst terrorism or he is crack" but one thing is for sure cartoons like these two are hurting a Muslim Image.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Interesting, people don't care about those who are killed, but for them interesting point is killers were Pakistanis

 

[StreetSmart]

Interesting, people don't care about those who are killed, but for them interesting point is killers were Pakistanis

nice catch that`s what was my point too. The killer is a Killer whether he is a Muslim Hindu or Christian.

 

[Buffet]

Wow... these two had a lot of ammunition.

With so much ammunition, it looks planned activity to me because two people are less likely to lose temper at the same time and start killing.

 

[in_cutter]

Wow... these two had a lot of ammunition.

As did other 354 mass shooters of 2015

 

[Abdullah719]

As did other 354 mass shooters of 2015

Sure, but thousands of rounds is still quite a bit. The worst part is that when someone at the presser asked if they had obtained all the ammo legally, the guy said that he isn't aware of any limit on the ammo you can buy. That is just ridiculous. So anyone can go and easily obtain enough ammo for an army?

 

[Indiafan]

With so much ammunition, it looks planned activity to me because two people are less likely to lose temper at the same time and start killing.

Husband and wife

 

[Abdullah719]

With so much ammunition, it looks planned activity to me because two people are less likely to lose temper at the same time and start killing.

It's obvious that something was planned. They were making IEDs at home too. Good thing that none of the pipe bombs detonated.

 

[TSA321]

Any proof of this such as celebrating the death of said terrorists in Jhelum Pindi etc
Like what occured in Faisalabad?
Potoharis are brehlvis not salafis

It's well known their roots are from Jhelum and Rawalpindi. I'm sure some people there celebrated their deaths too.
Not all Potoharis are Brelvis.

 

[mani1]

No one should be getting killed. It's frustrating seeing religious radicals living in the west going on killing sprees. Europe got rid of this problem in the 1700s.

I know there are some radical Christians but it is rare to hear of them massacring people in their own country.

Christian savagery is well documented in Bosnia, Albania, Rwanda where the Christian clergy was involved and churches used, Uganda Lords resistance army etc and lets not forget Christian Hitler who allegedly had the christian holy father involved.

 

[Saeed]

No one should be getting killed. It's frustrating seeing religious radicals living in the west going on killing sprees. Europe got rid of this problem in the 1700s.

I know there are some radical Christians but it is rare to hear of them massacring people in their own country.

First of all we don't know yet if they were motivated by their religion. If you're assuming this because of their names then lets apply that logic to other mass shootings too. There have been 355 mass shootings in U.S. so far.


Since I live in America lets talk about America.
Domestic extremists have killed more Americans than jihadists since 9/11. How the government is responding.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/10/15/how-the-justice-department-is-stepping-up-its-response-to-domestic-extremists/

 

[Thivagar]

I guess our University team won't travel to Florida either. Half our team are Pakistanis.

 

[Thivagar]

It looks like a work related massacre as the employee had worked there for 5 years, how is this terrorist related just because he is of Muslim origin name ??

There is nothing to indicate that whatsoever but some Indians had nothing better to do and their agenda is well known before.

So its only "terrorism" if Alqueda and ISIS does it ?

 

[Thivagar]

LeoFender. If you are located in UK, feel sorry for you. But those are home grown British kids. No point in blaming Pakistan for them.

I have yet to come across a person or a news outlet that had blamed Pakistan for any terrorist activities. Islam gets all the blame, not Paksitan.

 

[90MPH]

So its only "terrorism" if Alqueda and ISIS does it ?

Seriously is there something wrong with you ? All I am saying specifically some Indian posters and you alike stop jumping the gun and wait till the investigation has concluded.

Are the Tamil Tigers a terrorist organisation because they were Hindus or because they had a nationalistic agenda ??

 

[QazzarFan]

I still can't wrap around my head on this. Married, educated couple with good jobs and a house and family would do something crazy like this. Usually married couple wage a war on bills with coupons.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Is it? please share your sources or should I say sauces

Apparently the Syeds turned religious in the last two but couldn't find a good enough suicide belt from the local convenience store

 

[Stewie]

I have yet to come across a person or a news outlet that had blamed Pakistan for any terrorist activities. Islam gets all the blame, not Paksitan.

I was responding to LeoFender's post. He seems to think its endemic of Pakistani people.

It should be noted there are only one off incidents where people of Pakistani origin are involved. Mostly its UK born people of Pakistani origin.

9/11 was conducted by a team of people that did not have a single Pakistani in it. No Pakistanis in what happened in Paris either. It is widely believed that there are few to no Pakistanis in ISIS.

 

[mani1]

I was responding to LeoFender's post. He seems to think its endemic of Pakistani people.

It should be noted there are only one off incidents where people of Pakistani origin are involved. Mostly its UK born people of Pakistani origin.

9/11 was conducted by a team of people that did not have a single Pakistani in it. No Pakistanis in what happened in Paris either. It is widely believed that there are few to no Pakistanis in ISIS.

Khalid Sheik is pakistani

 

[Cracket]

Wife was from Saudi. From what I'm reading, she wore the pants and probably radicalized the husband but hopefully I'm wrong. This looks like they were inspired from the internet to carry out the jihad, like the Tsarnaev brothers.

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

It's only going to get worse as immigration increases, hence we feel more and more powerful, hence conflict will increase. The next 100 years are not going to go well in Western countries. I've said this before, and I'll say it again.

People in white countries for several reasons I will not get into simply are NOT reproducing enough. Since they are developed countries, they also happen to offer a lot of benefits to the retired class. Someone has to fund this.

This also causes an aging population. The only and only solution to get a larger and younger working class is immigration.

While immigration does help the economy, it also raises problems. Immigration is okay as long as there are not too many of them. Muslims in Canada for example openly dislike and mock homosexuals among themselves and this is in contradiction with Canadian culture. Of course they don't say it in public, but make them 20% of the population and they'll share these views in public.

Our religion and western culture is not supposed to get along. Relative to the west, and I note RELATIVE so don't jump down my throat, we're pretty darn savage it seems.

 

[srh]

I still can't wrap around my head on this. Married, educated couple with good jobs and a house and family would do something crazy like this. Usually married couple wage a war on bills with coupons.

I just cannot understand the wife's role in this whole episode.

All along the witnesses were reporting 1 to 3 gunmen and now I am hearing 1 man and 1 woman. Why were the witnesses not able to identify that one was a woman?

Also as much as I know about desi women its pretty hard to imagine that they would be trained and involved in mass murders like this; heck they freak out on seeing a chupkali or a cockroach.

And then this woman have a 6 month baby. Usually desi women take it really easy 1st year after baby birth.

But I guess there is always an exception to the rule.

 

[Stewie]

Khalid Sheik is pakistani

Fake pakistani. Born in kuwait, raised in kuwait. He was living in pakistan for number of years but spent his formative years in kuwait. There are tons of al qaeda and Talib an who have infiltrated pakistan but it doesn't make them pakistani.

 

[anuk]

Freakin stupid people go on killing innocent people, just imagine how much trouble this will give to pakistanis traveling specially with a First name as SYED.

really? that is ur biggest concern?

 

[Friend786]

Five THOUSAND bullets and a dozen pipe bombs: The deadly cache amassed by radicalized US Muslim and his Pakistani wife who slaughtered 14 just two weeks after he clashed with Jewish co-worker in office debate about religion

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...party-slaughtered-14-leaving-baby-mother.html

 

[StreetSmart]

Fake pakistani. Born in kuwait, raised in kuwait. He was living in pakistan for number of years but spent his formative years in kuwait. There are tons of al qaeda and Talib an who have infiltrated pakistan but it doesn't make them pakistani.

After the recent case happened with NADRA it was shown how easily Pakistani ID`s getting distributed

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

That's a good analysis. The west will only stay prosperous if white Germanic people are running the show, even Eastern and Southern Europeans can take a country backward.

However, Britain's population is increasing too fast, why do they need more people? if anything Britain needs less people so immigration is not needed.

Well I'd say Britain could use more people.

They have strong stable infrastructure and a strong stable economy.
They also offer many benefits to the retired class.
Life expectancy is high.
The average person is 40 years old!!!!!!
And the one it all comes down to: White people not having enough kids.

You can't just make native British people in a laboratory, immigration is the only resort

 

[enkidu_]

I once worked in Northern Ireland and it was weird seeing white locals working as cleaners and in places like McDonalds. In my opinion there is no need for a country to have immigrants. If there are no immigrants then the local natives will do those jobs that the immigrants do. It is the greedy corporations who want cheap labour. Look at the majority of Indians (from India) in the IT sector who are working in places like the UK and USA, having worked with them I can't say they are very good at their jobs, they are there because they are cheaper and hence make a company get more profit. Places like UK, Germany and USA were fine in the 60s and 70s before mass immigration.

To begin with, why have all Indians ended up in the IT sector ? Where are all the PhDs in mathematics, philosophy, ... ? As Ancient India used to churn them out effortlessly and which made it known all over the world ?

Because the West is not interested in an India producing innovation but only "IT professionals", like the Raj did all to redirect India's brightest minds into being "civil servants" (Abdus Salam was about to become one... imagine Aryabhata born today or under the British !)

China since few years has invested a lot in R&D and PhD programs in exact as well as social sciences. India should do the same, and not being imports for Anglo Saxons (even if its helps many Indians "individually", it doesn't help the nation as an organic whole.)

Also I agree about Germany, but the UK and US have become contaminated by the idea of "empire", which is by definition multi racial : if by that theorem they can bully and kill thousands and millions, they deserve to have their territories invaded by the same thousands and millions in the name of "multicultural society".

 

[Kriketer]

Wife was from Saudi. From what I'm reading, she wore the pants and probably radicalized the husband but hopefully I'm wrong. This looks like they were inspired from the internet to carry out the jihad, like the Tsarnaev brothers.

Carry out Jihad? Keep this nonsense to yourself. You Islamophobes never miss an opportunity to defame Islam and Muslims. How many times would Muslims need to tell ill minded people like you that killing is not Islamic, and neither crime committed by Muslims are representative of 1.6 billion people.

 

[Thivagar]

I was responding to LeoFender's post. He seems to think its endemic of Pakistani people.

It should be noted there are only one off incidents where people of Pakistani origin are involved. Mostly its UK born people of Pakistani origin.

9/11 was conducted by a team of people that did not have a single Pakistani in it. No Pakistanis in what happened in Paris either. It is widely believed that there are few to no Pakistanis in ISIS.

Understood

 

[Thivagar]

Seriously is there something wrong with you ? All I am saying specifically some Indian posters and you alike stop jumping the gun and wait till the investigation has concluded.

Are the Tamil Tigers a terrorist organisation because they were Hindus or because they had a nationalistic agenda ??

You don't know what you are saying, go back and read what you said. You terrorize, you are a terrorist, whether it is a government organization, two teenagers vandalizing the school or bunch of morons screaming religious ideologies. It is a terrorist incident, whether they are muslim or not, religious or not.

 

[dayvancowboy]

No one should be getting killed. It's frustrating seeing religious radicals living in the west going on killing sprees. Europe got rid of this problem in the 1700s.

I know there are some radical Christians but it is rare to hear of them massacring people in their own country.

Wow, you can't possibly be this dumb:

Also a Hindutva fanboy as well.

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

lol you sound like the splitting image of an Islamophobe, it's scary how similar you two think.

dude I'm a proud albeit not very practising Muslim.

Just because I think if you heavily mix a new group of people into a dominant group problems will rise like crazy doesn't make me any sort of phobe.

Right now no one has problems talking about acceptance bc we're only like 3% of their population. But when we're closer to 10% or 20% and have no qualms over talking about some of the radical (in their view) parts of our religions there will be conflict.

One thing I don't like is the liberalized SJW Muslim who waters down the religion so it sounds more peaceful to the Western folk.

 

[dayvancowboy]

dude I'm a proud albeit not very practising Muslim.

Just because I think if you heavily mix a new group of people into a dominant group problems will rise like crazy doesn't make me any sort of phobe.

Right now no one has problems talking about acceptance bc we're only like 3% of their population. But when we're closer to 10% or 20% and have no qualms over talking about some of the radical (in their view) parts of our religions there will be conflict.

One thing I don't like is the liberalized SJW Muslim who waters down the religion so it sounds more peaceful to the Western folk.

And rhetoric like this is what lead Bosniaks to be butchered by their Serb neighbors in the 90s. Do you even think before spouting this garbage?

 

[dandapinda]

Interesting, people don't care about those who are killed, but for them interesting point is killers were Pakistanis

nice catch that`s what was my point too. The killer is a Killer whether he is a Muslim Hindu or Christian.

Don't you guys think same applies when some one says "Why these incidents not called as terrorist activity" when news came out first & people who worry about backlash against their religion?

Unfortunately there is no middle ground when comes to such debates,every one thinks they are correct.

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

And rhetoric like this is what lead Bosniaks to be butchered by their Serb neighbors in the 90s. Do you even think before spouting this garbage?

no. Intolerance and a lack of acceptance did that. I'm just a dude on the internet who recognizes when you get too many people incoming to another culture to the point where they risk influencing the culture too heavily there will be conflict.

Humans are resistant to change. A random user on the internet identified as "AmirFutureWasim" isn't going to make a difference. I'm pretty sure they didn't have much internet in the 90s anymore.

Drop the ad hominem or I'm going to report it.

 

[dayvancowboy]

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/lea...ques-say-his-shooting-rampage-betrayed-islam/

Nizaam Ali, a 23-year-old student who got to know Farook after he began attending the San Bernardino mosque, recalled Farook’s saying his wife wore the niqab, a veil that covers the entire face except for the eyes, and that he liked that about her.

His wife wore the niqab? No wonder, since niqabis are extremist idiots and I don't understand why you would come to America and wear such a garb that is popularized by Da'esh scum. It's usually Pakistani women in the West wearing the garb and then cry foul when their right to wear it gets scrutinized heavily. Want to wear it, then stay in Saudi instead.

 

[The intelligent Supporter]

So another muslim involved in shooting and possibly Pakistani ? Yeap this will go down well, I now see Palestine & kashmr being liberated..

How dare you? Talk about hypocricy, why have you terrorized Kashmir for 70 years

Please just answer one question. Why is the UN-approved refrendum not carried out yet? What is India so afraid of?

 

[The intelligent Supporter]

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/lea...ques-say-his-shooting-rampage-betrayed-islam/



His wife wore the niqab? No wonder, since niqabis are extremist idiots and I don't understand why you would come to America and wear such a garb that is popularized by Da'esh scum. It's usually Pakistani women in the West wearing the garb and then cry foul when their right to wear it gets scrutinized heavily. Want to wear it, then stay in Saudi instead.

Its a free country. Land of free???

 

[Romali_rotti]

How dare you? Talk about hypocricy, why have you terrorized Kashmir for 70 years

Please just answer one question. Why is the UN-approved refrendum not carried out yet? What is India so afraid of?

lol This chap doesnt understand sarcasm or trolling it seems

 

[Romali_rotti]

Pakistani's biggest mistake is this ongoing tail licking of Arabs. There is no UMMAH, Arabs no matter how many places you blow up or shoot they still look down on you like insects, let it GO,,, Worry about your own country and ppl............. The day Pakistan cuts off all ties with Saudi Arabs the day this country will progress and finally get somewhere.............

 

[cricketjoshila]

How dare you? Talk about hypocricy, why have you terrorized Kashmir for 70 years

Please just answer one question. Why is the UN-approved refrendum not carried out yet? What is India so afraid of?

Go read the terms of the referendum and then tell what is Pakistan afraid of.

 

[Indian_Supporter]

It looks like a work related massacre as the employee had worked there for 5 years, how is this terrorist related just because he is of Muslim origin name ??

There is nothing to indicate that whatsoever but some Indians had nothing better to do and their agenda is well known before.

You are either naive or didnt read the entire thread...hence blaming on Indians. Read this thread from begginning. As the news broke of shooting many Pak posters assumed its a white gunmen and questioned why this is not labelled as terrorism? Moment the news broke that the gunmen is a Pakistani muslim they changed their tune and saying indians are spreading agenda to call it terrorism

Thora sharam karo 90mph bhai..

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[Indian_Supporter]

Guys just read post#3 and #20...unbelievable. How much people go to defend terrorism

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[in_cutter]

Guys just read post#3 and #20...unbelievable. How much people go to defend terrorism

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Errrr how is that defending terrorism? Stop twisting things to suit your own agenda. Terrorism is terrorism whether the attacker is brown, white, pink or orange.

 

[Adil_94]

I once worked in Northern Ireland and it was weird seeing white locals working as cleaners and in places like McDonalds. In my opinion there is no need for a country to have immigrants. If there are no immigrants then the local natives will do those jobs that the immigrants do. It is the greedy corporations who want cheap labour. Look at the majority of Indians (from India) in the IT sector who are working in places like the UK and USA, having worked with them I can't say they are very good at their jobs, they are there because they are cheaper and hence make a company get more profit. Places like UK, Germany and USA were fine in the 60s and 70s before mass immigration.

Northern Ireland is kind of what Britain was 30 years ago. Predominatly working class. It is still quite conservative in regards to immigration or say sexual equality. And also Brits are more entitled now. A lot of Brits see those low incom jobs as beneath them. White Middle Class Brits just arent having enough kids they are too focused on their career. Immigration can be positive as long as immigrants and their descendents integrate well. Britain isnt a country that will force citizens to have more kids. I would say the govt should focus more on puahing liberalism secualrism in immigrant communities. Instead of just allowing them to replicate the social culture of their homeland. this creates alienation.

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[Adil_94]

dude I'm a proud albeit not very practising Muslim.

Just because I think if you heavily mix a new group of people into a dominant group problems will rise like crazy doesn't make me any sort of phobe.

Right now no one has problems talking about acceptance bc we're only like 3% of their population. But when we're closer to 10% or 20% and have no qualms over talking about some of the radical (in their view) parts of our religions there will be conflict.

One thing I don't like is the liberalized SJW Muslim who waters down the religion so it sounds more peaceful to the Western folk.

So if u dont like liberal Muslims who water down the faith to appease westerners. But you also dont like Muslims who spout homophobic views as that creates conflict within Canadas secular society. However by the time the Muslim population gets to 20% that will be like the 7-8 generations of Muslims living in the West. By then a lot of Muslims could have been secularised or religiosity levels might have gone down after a 100-150 years living in the West.

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[Indian_Supporter]

Errrr how is that defending terrorism? Stop twisting things to suit your own agenda. Terrorism is terrorism whether the attacker is brown, white, pink or orange.

Agenda? You are the one who has agenda. What do you mean on post#20 "White terrorists again"? It was only initial news then and just because you heard there is a shooting in states you concluded its white people? Who is doing agenda here?

Now its confirmed that those gunmen were muslim from Pakistani origin. Would love to have an honest opinion from you.

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[Adil_94]

[MENTION=138764]AmirFutureWasim[/MENTION] homosexuality is against Islam. And also our culture is homophobic by nature unless you water down that homophobia how can u co exist in Canadian society. Most people i know wont echo their sentiments publicly. They will keep it private and remain civil to gay people. Younger gen is more accepting of gays and minorities.

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[Adil_94]

It is a despicable terrorist act. A massacre of innocents however to call it Islamist inspired or Islamic terrorism is premature yet. Just because two people of Muslim faith have committed an atrocity doesnt mean they are automatically Islamists or ideologically inspired. These guys might have mental health issues like the white gunmen have. Islamist gunmen in the west tend to be young men who are part of the working class who become disaffected disenfranchised and get radicalised via internet generally. A middle class well educated couple getting radicalised would be rare. If they are Islamists. Trumps Muslim ID Card may become a reality.

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[speed]

So if u dont like liberal Muslims who water down the faith to appease westerners. But you also dont like Muslims who spout homophobic views as that creates conflict within Canadas secular society. However by the time the Muslim population gets to 20% that will be like the 7-8 generations of Muslims living in the West. By then a lot of Muslims could have been secularised or religiosity levels might have gone down after a 100-150 years living in the West.

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Why do you think that other communities are already irreligious although they migrated to the west during the same time?

 

[Adil_94]

Why do you think that other communities are already irreligious although they migrated to the west during the same time?

They adapt and change their culture. And assimilate into Western society. Second and third gens see themselves as Brits first then their religion comes into it. With Muslims its the faith first then nationality. Its why most Muslims i know are obsessed witn foreign policy because it directly affects Muslims but have little interest in domestic affairs. I.e in my local constituency a politician was elected a few years back solely becaus he backed the Palestinian cause. Pakistanis in the UK also cling on to their traditional culture a lot most are from village backgrounds uneducated but also religious . Unlike lets say indians who are mostly middle class migrants. The village mentality is prevalent in the high rate of cousin marriages. Marriages from "back home" are way more prevalent in the Pakistani community especially. A young girl or lad married off to their cousin from the village and that continuing link to the village replicates the village culture. In tems of Brit Indians the third gens now very few of them get married back in india. Like u have so many people in my local community their daughter has a degree but then she gets married off to her uneducated cousin in Pakistan. And becomes a housewife.

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[Adil_94]

Why do you think that other communities are already irreligious although they migrated to the west during the same time?

And there are some in the Muslim community who attack western culture as immoral and decadent perverse etc. When u are taught this or dont follow the way of the Kuffar then this maintains a high religiosity levels. A lot of Hindus n Sikhs i know celebrate religious festivals n go to tje temple. But day ti day religion doesnt play a big role in their lives.

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[Friend786]

Brother of gunman is a decorated Navy veteran honored for his role in the war on terror

The brother of the San Bernardino gunman is a decorated Navy veteran who has been honored for his role in the war on terror.
Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, was named as the suspect who stormed the Inland Regional Center and massacred 14 people during a holiday party for county health employees on Wednesday.
But Farook’s older brother Syed Raheel Farook, a married father who goes by his middle name, has a number of ‘awards and decorations’ from his time in the Navy, Buzzfeed reported.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ted-Navy-veteran-honored-role-war-terror.html

 

[mani1]

They adapt and change their culture. And assimilate into Western society. Second and third gens see themselves as Brits first then their religion comes into it. With Muslims its the faith first then nationality. Its why most Muslims i know are obsessed witn foreign policy because it directly affects Muslims but have little interest in domestic affairs. I.e in my local constituency a politician was elected a few years back solely becaus he backed the Palestinian cause. Pakistanis in the UK also cling on to their traditional culture a lot most are from village backgrounds uneducated but also religious . Unlike lets say indians who are mostly middle class migrants. The village mentality is prevalent in the high rate of cousin marriages. Marriages from "back home" are way more prevalent in the Pakistani community especially. A young girl or lad married off to their cousin from the village and that continuing link to the village replicates the village culture. In tems of Brit Indians the third gens now very few of them get married back in india. Like u have so many people in my local community their daughter has a degree but then she gets married off to her uneducated cousin in Pakistan. And becomes a housewife.

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Most of the Sikhs were not from middle class backgrounds unlike there Western cousins who claim they are sons and daughters of Drs and lawyers yet are doing way way worse then Sikhs in every aspect and the ones from Landan.........

 

[Adil_94]

Why do they move to these decadent lands in the first place?

People don't use their thinking that much, the reason the west is so successful is because it is relatively open minded compared to poor nations and that they have separated church and state.
These kinds of immigrants who want countries like Britain to be more like Pakistan will then want to move away once it does and then repeat the cycle elsewhere.

The thing is its not elders who say that. The elders who jave experienced hardship in Pakistan while they might not approve of certain elements of British culture. They generally say look we are lucky we are in this country make something of your life. Its mostly people who are born here who have these identity crises. U will very rarely get a Pakistani immigrant who has extremist views. Culturally backward views yes but not hatred of non muslims They experience Pakistans hardships and come here for a better life. Its 2nd or 3rd gens that lurch towards these extremist rhetoric. Quote a few 2nd or 3rd gens follow a more hardline version of Islam than their parents do. Their parents are Barelvis or Sufis and they become Wahabis Salafists. Some of the ones who are born here have just romantic notions of an Islamic state and the Ummah. And feel like they need to prove their faith more living in a non Muslim environment.

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[TSA321]

They adapt and change their culture. And assimilate into Western society. Second and third gens see themselves as Brits first then their religion comes into it. With Muslims its the faith first then nationality. Its why most Muslims i know are obsessed witn foreign policy because it directly affects Muslims but have little interest in domestic affairs. I.e in my local constituency a politician was elected a few years back solely becaus he backed the Palestinian cause. Pakistanis in the UK also cling on to their traditional culture a lot most are from village backgrounds uneducated but also religious . Unlike lets say indians who are mostly middle class migrants. The village mentality is prevalent in the high rate of cousin marriages. Marriages from "back home" are way more prevalent in the Pakistani community especially. A young girl or lad married off to their cousin from the village and that continuing link to the village replicates the village culture. In tems of Brit Indians the third gens now very few of them get married back in india. Like u have so many people in my local community their daughter has a degree but then she gets married off to her uneducated cousin in Pakistan. And becomes a housewife.

I was reading this report which compared Mirpuris, Sylhetis and Jalandari Sikhs in the UK (who all come from similar rural type backgrounds) and it concluded that Mirpuris were the least successful and had the lowest social mobility because most of them from the UK get married to people from abroad, whereas people from the other two communities mostly marry within their community in the UK therefore they're progressing at a much faster rate. I think that's the reason they're still the most backward Asian community in the UK.

 

[mani1]

I was reading this report which compared Mirpuris, Sylhetis and Jalandari Sikhs in the UK (who all come from similar rural type backgrounds) and it concluded that Mirpuris were the least successful and had the lowest social mobility because most of them from the UK get married to people from abroad, whereas people from the other two communities mostly marry within their community in the UK therefore they're progressing at a much faster rate. I think that's the reason they're still the most backward Asian community in the UK.

I saw official government figures posted here many times showing Muslim Punjabis and Sylhetis making the underclass of England.

I think in the case of the Pakistanis Punjabis its because most of them are asylum seekers or from villages around the old Sikh heartlands.

 

[mani1]

 

[Adil_94]

I was reading this report which compared Mirpuris, Sylhetis and Jalandari Sikhs in the UK (who all come from similar rural type backgrounds) and it concluded that Mirpuris were the least successful and had the lowest social mobility because most of them from the UK get married to people from abroad, whereas people from the other two communities mostly marry within their community in the UK therefore they're progressing at a much faster rate. I think that's the reason they're still the most backward Asian community in the UK.

There are a lot of Mirpuris and other Pothwaris who are progressing in education now. but in our culture marrying people off to cousins or other people from their villages back in Pakistan is a big issue. Ive seen it a lot in my own local community. It is improving but i would agree with that notion.

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[mani1]

About 70% of people in Inner London living in low income households are from backgrounds other than White British. The approximate equivalent figures are: 50% in Outer London, 20% in the English North and Midlands and 10% in the rest of England. -

http://www.londonspovertyprofile.or...-and-work/low-income-and-ethnicity-by-region/

 

[Buffet]

Husband and wife

With a 6 months old baby. You have to be a nutcase to leave your 6 moths old baby and go on killing rampage as couple.

It's obvious that something was planned. They were making IEDs at home too. Good thing that none of the pipe bombs detonated.

Thankfully, otherwise damage would have been a lot more.

 

[mani1]

I was reading this report which compared Mirpuris, Sylhetis and Jalandari Sikhs in the UK (who all come from similar rural type backgrounds) and it concluded that Mirpuris were the least successful and had the lowest social mobility because most of them from the UK get married to people from abroad, whereas people from the other two communities mostly marry within their community in the UK therefore they're progressing at a much faster rate. I think that's the reason they're still the most backward Asian community in the UK.

post it like I showed official figures showing punjabi pakistanis and syhletis making the underclass of england.

 

[mani1]

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As you can see the two communities that make the underclass of England are slipping further in to low pay and the Indians have slightly improved from these figures.

 

[mani1]

There are a lot of Mirpuris and other Pothwaris who are progressing in education now. but in our culture marrying people off to cousins or other people from their villages back in Pakistan is a big issue. Ive seen it a lot in my own local community. It is improving but i would agree with that notion.

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In Bradford where your from do you think the sylhetis are doing well?

 

[TSA321]

Most of the Sikhs were not from middle class backgrounds unlike there Western cousins who claim they are sons and daughters of Drs and lawyers yet are doing way way worse then Sikhs in every aspect and the ones from Landan.........

The only person I've heard claim that Western Punjabis are the sons of doctors and lawyers is you.

And what you said is completely wrong btw according to most academic literature.





https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...g the City in British Asian Diasporas&f=false

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...ompanion to the Sociology of Families&f=false

Before you try and claim most Pakistanis in Manchester are Mirpuri, they aren't according to this:



http://www.manchester.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/16099/5_attainment_and_attendance

 

[Adil_94]

You are very right about this, I used to have Pothwari neighbours and all their children did well but two of the 6children got married back 'home'. One of them was a girl who had a degree and a good job here and she got married to her uneducated cousin. I guess for the man it's ok because let's face it the man is usually the breadwinner and the leader of the house, however when an educated woman gets married to an uneducated guy from rural Pakistan it will only be a backwards step.

Very few Sikh or Hindu girls get married back home and the only three I have come across were extremely fat and not blessed in the looks department.

Unless you are marrying to an educated person like a Doctor, Dentist, IT Professional, it is not a good idea to marry back 'home', your standard of living will be compromised.

A lot of these uneducated guys want their wives to sit at home pop out babies and basically be a maid service cook n clean. So a girl who has spent 4-5 years to get a degree doesnt even utitlise it. And the guy comes and generally becomes either a takeaway worker or a taxi driver and earns way less than his wife could if she was working. I knew a girl who graduated in Pharmacy but her Parents got her married off to her cousin back home and he works at a takeaway while sits at home looking after their kid. That just breeds poverty and decreases social mobility. For guys i agree its different a lot of guys get married from back home also for the cooking cleaning benefits but they are the main breadwinners so economically they arent hit as much. But i know a lot of guys n girls now also who are marrying out if their own choice. The next 15-20 years thing will improve in regards to cousin marriages.

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