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he is a bigot by the standards of the western world. he'll be considered a moderate in the muslim world though
 
he is a bigot by the standards of the western world. he'll be considered a moderate in the muslim world though

Even Nawaz sharif would not make a statement that say all Pashtun should be banned from travel because of militant activities in SWAT, or all Baloch should be banned from travel because of separatist movement.
 
Even Nawaz sharif would not make a statement that say all Pashtun should be banned from travel because of militant activities in SWAT, or all Baloch should be banned from travel because of separatist movement.

this guy has not been elected in usa and he won't be. im certain there are many elected political leaders in the muslim world who have said much worse about israel etc. trump would be considered pretty tame by standards over there. it's just that the anglo catholic world has set very high standards for themselves and are humanitarians at heart.

can do a search and come up with some quotes if u wish.
 
this guy has not been elected in usa and he won't be. im certain there are many elected political leaders in the muslim world who have said much worse about israel etc. trump would be considered pretty tame by standards over there. it's just that the anglo catholic world has set very high standards for themselves and are humanitarians at heart.

can do a search and come up with some quotes if u wish.

nah don't worry about it, I know how politicians in the middle east/south asia/third world are.

That includes Israel.

That includes India.

Not just muslim countries.
 
His statement actually helped muslims, first everyone was saying how bad muslims are now everyone is defending us. Thanks Donald.
 
Good, United States is where the shaytaan is


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Oh so we happen to agree on something , if Zionist breath air does it mean I'm Zionist


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No , r u upset that what I say is sahih


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Democrats will throw a party in advance if this nutcase manages to get nominated. He is never going to win at national level.

Constitution allows him to voice his opinion freely, but the same constitution doesn't allow discrimination simply due to religion factor. Folks are free to believe in any religion or no religion without any issue here.

You are right, this guy cannot win general election I think people over estimate the republican primaries.

Liberals are pretty strong in many states. In battle ground states Ohio and FL, he has offended Latinos, now Muslims, soon he will somebody else. In swing states, these things matter a lot.

My only worry is how foreign affairs dominate the political scene next year.... This ISIS or similar drum beats helps republican.

As for NRA is concerned this is going to be clash between liberals and conservatives, wait till democrats get hold of congress. You will see lot of things change like climate and gun control.

Also, people who don't live in USA, unfortunately president election is fought in 2/3 swing states(FL,OH,VA), but that depends upon national retract to large extend. To me if Dems win OH, they win election.

If this time Democrats win election, this will change Republican Party big times, this tea party and neo cons are bound to change their out look, these ideas does not have long legs!!!


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multiculturalism = fail.

A politician calls for an insanely racist and unconstitutional policy discriminating towards a religious community and yet you link this to multiculturalism ?

Where's the connection ?!
 
What makes you so sure? Everyone has a limit, even Buddhist monks as we have seen.

Buddhist monks are living in a region where communal strife is part of everyday life. It's a bit silly to compare with a civilised western nation like the US.
 
Communal strife is growing day by day in the west, just look at what happened in Paris last month. If it continues more Right Wing parties will come to power to tackle the problem.

Reality is over here...your dreams are over there.

Did you ever hear the old Disney classic tune "When you wish upon a star.." It's very uplifting.
 
Reality is over here...your dreams are over there.

Did you ever hear the old Disney classic tune "When you wish upon a star.." It's very uplifting.

Unfortunately what our resident paji does not understand is that poor turbaned sikhs will face the backlash as much as any other group.
 
I'm not even disappointed over his comments, I'm amused. This guy is such a clown but the one good thing that has come out of his campaign is to expose the serious problems of racism and bigotry that exists in the US.

He's not going to win though, he'll get absolutely mauled in the federal elections with whoever wins from the Democratic side. Both Hillary and Sanders won't ever implement anything that is so unconstitutional.

With Trudeau already doing a great job in Canada and the Democrats a shoe-in to win in the US, North America is heading towards a good place, Alhamdulillah.
 
Just praying that Trump comes to power..or whoever comes follows up on his ideas. I am a big fan.
Religion is not mentioned on most people's passports.

Being born in Pakistan, having Pakistani (and British) nationality, having the ethnic features of someone from the SC, as well as having a muslim sounding name, I'll bet a US Immigration official would automatically assume that person is a Muslim.
But in the case of a certain Mr. Nazir-Ali they would be completely and utterly wrong, due to him being a Christian, being the former Anglican Bishop of Rochester, Church of England, as well as being the Visiting Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of South Carolina, in the United States

The point being that if Muslim's were banned, or discriminated against in the USA, it is also extremely likely that most American's would not be able to tell the difference between a Hindu, Muslim or Sikh if they looked as if they originated from the SC, including from India, and therefore Hindu's and Sikh's would suffer the same backlash and racism as would Muslims. Do you not recall the attack on a Sikh temple in Milwaukee where 6 people were killed by a gunman who thought they were Muslim's?

So better be careful what you pray for - your prayers, if answered, my not give you what you thought you were getting.
 
Unfortunately what our resident paji does not understand is that poor turbaned sikhs will face the backlash as much as any other group.
Not just turbaned Sikhs. Do you think the average American can tell the difference between Indians & Pakistani's, or between Muslims, Sikhs and Hindu's with origins from the sub-continent?
 
First of all you didn't get what I am trying to say and still stuck on importance of minority votes. You are leaving in a dream but that's ok, time will prove my point but food for thoughts, below is Florida religious breakdown and will tell you what if 50% of non-voters comes out to vote, minority do not move needle.

Protestant, 40%
Baptist, 9%
Methodist, 6%
Pentecostal, 3%
Roman Catholic, 26%
Jewish, 3%
other religions, 3%
non-religious, 16%

This makes up more than 70% christian population in Florida plus 16% Atheist. I can pull the other states demographic but I hope you got the point here that you can convince yourself as much as you want by pulling some numbers, that's ok..


Do you know of something called the electoral college in the us? Look it up.

Usually it comes down to swing states Ohio Florida and a couple more. Ohio and Florida have a strong minority population. Those votes matter a lot.

Last time republicans lost due to not locking down Latino votes. Trump with his other wordly immigration ideas will make sure that doesn't change
 
People like Trump are actually more of a headache for the right wing parties. They always go a bit too far to satisfy the right wing sentiments, but instead, they end up igniting and uniting the silent left wing.

Stephen Harper, in Canada, did the same thing by offering the barbaric practices hotline and was never able to recover from that.
 
Why the fuss by Pakistani's? Because its a violation of human right, then what about the treatment of Ahmedi's in Pakistan.
 
London Mayor Boros Johnson declares Donald Trump 'unfit to be US President' - fair play.

Cameron has also condemned the comments - and that's our conservatives here in the UK. Nicola Sturgeon, First Minister of Scotland, revokes Donald Trump's status as business ambassador.
 
London Mayor Boros Johnson declares Donald Trump 'unfit to be US President' - fair play.

Cameron has also condemned the comments - and that's our conservatives here in the UK. Nicola Sturgeon, First Minister of Scotland, revokes Donald Trump's status as business ambassador.

Unfortunately, this only makes him a martyr in the eyes of his supporters.
 
London Mayor Boros Johnson declares Donald Trump 'unfit to be US President' - fair play.

Cameron has also condemned the comments - and that's our conservatives here in the UK. Nicola Sturgeon, First Minister of Scotland, revokes Donald Trump's status as business ambassador.

Neither trump or his supporters will care or more likely, even hear of this. Such kind of acts are really more for show boating and increasing you own relevance than having any real impact imo
 
LOL.You dont even know the terms and conditions of UN resolution of 48 and you come here running your mouth.Go first read the resolution and its terms and conditions.First of them is that Pakistan must remove its army from POK while India can keep a minimum amount of Army.So first vacate POK and then talk



Is it in Pakistan?Why are you worried about what happens in India?None of your business.Worry more about what is happening to Balochis or Hazaras or Shias or minorities in Pakistan then whats happening in India.


I dont think anyone in India or in the world is bothered about what Pakistan says about India.Your PM and NSA kept whining about India in UN.No one bothered.


So you are happy to be a bully? No one bothered because UN is most corrupt institution on Earth. With your PM as top criminals in the world. No wonder he bullied them in to this. Also expains , why UN bothered to put that BS condition in the referrendum. How blind could you be? Asking opinion of people through voting. What has it got to do with armies etc?? Just knowing theor opinion. You know in your heart, Kashmiris will denounce "Hindustan" super bad. Thats the reason it is not happening.

Linkin army and referendum is so stupid. So, you take away the right of opinion from Kashmris because "Pakistani" army is in there? Also Pakistan has to leave but India can have "minimum" army. WHAT A JOKE .

You should see a trend now.
Bye
 


So you are happy to be a bully? No one bothered because UN is most corrupt institution on Earth. With your PM as top criminals in the world. No wonder he bullied them in to this. Also expains , why UN bothered to put that BS condition in the referrendum. How blind could you be? Asking opinion of people through voting. What has it got to do with armies etc?? Just knowing theor opinion. You know in your heart, Kashmiris will denounce "Hindustan" super bad. Thats the reason it is not happening.

Linkin army and referendum is so stupid. So, you take away the right of opinion from Kashmris because "Pakistani" army is in there? Also Pakistan has to leave but India can have "minimum" army. WHAT A JOKE .

You should see a trend now.
Bye

You want referendum under Un resolution but wont abide by its conditions.As soon as you are made aware of the condition,UN is corrupt etc etc etc.UN is BS.LOL.

Modi is criminal.LOL.More jokes.

The world wont run according to your wishes.

The only thing to see here is your hypocrisy.
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Almost 300,000 Englishmen and women have signed a petition to ban Trump's entry into the UK, apparently. I've read that it is going to be discussed in their House of Commons.

:haha
 
You want referendum under Un resolution but wont abide by its conditions.As soon as you are made aware of the condition,UN is corrupt etc etc etc.UN is BS.LOL.

Modi is criminal.LOL.More jokes.

The world wont run according to your wishes.

The only thing to see here is your hypocrisy.
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This should have never gone to UN. Give people voice to speak. Its just a referemdum but then Again India was scared of a pegion. The hypocrisy is withholding peopl's right to speak up and then becoming most "secular " country in the world.

Modi being criminal is Not a Joke, it is a fact. You should google this, perhaps. Also, the way Modi handles questions about this shows how democratic he is...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV0dEhrRI1o&ab_channel=haamed THIS was not even a hard situation or a foreign channel. This should show his guilt.

You know what actually is a Joke? The fact that a criminal sat in FB headquarters, spoke about bringing world together, like he does in a secular, free, "democratic" "HINDUstan".
Kashmiris do not want you. Refrendum or no, you know it too.
 

trump making some great points. a ban on muslims won't be enough though. there are still many islamists hiding in the west waiting for the right moment.

Are you loving it?
 
Almost 300,000 Englishmen and women have signed a petition to ban Trump's entry into the UK, apparently. I've read that it is going to be discussed in their House of Commons.

:haha

If its true then they are fighting a wrong ideology with a wrong one as well.On what basis are they trying to ban his entry for his involvement in?
 
Are you loving it?

Of course they are, the Hindutva types are loving these comments by Trump as he's saying the things they fantasise about all the time. The cheerleading of Trump's fascist and discriminatory proposals on here by some posters have revealed some true colours - I'm glad they find blatant racism so amusing.

Do these guys not realise a right-wing racist hillbilly won't differentiate between a Muslim or a Hindu/Sikh ? All they see is a brown skin colour.

Also give me a break about Trump being some hidden intellectual. He's just said in a speech where he's talking about surveillance that "we need to go talk to Bill Gates to shut down these internets" where people are getting radicalised.

P.S. Why are people bringing up UN resolutions and Jammu and Kashmir :facepalm: There's already a million threads on that, quit polluting this one.
 
Almost 300,000 Englishmen and women have signed a petition to ban Trump's entry into the UK, apparently. I've read that it is going to be discussed in their House of Commons.

:haha


how many of them are Muslims?
 
I'm not even disappointed over his comments, I'm amused. This guy is such a clown but the one good thing that has come out of his campaign is to expose the serious problems of racism and bigotry that exists in the US.

He's not going to win though, he'll get absolutely mauled in the federal elections with whoever wins from the Democratic side. Both Hillary and Sanders won't ever implement anything that is so unconstitutional.

With Trudeau already doing a great job in Canada and the Democrats a shoe-in to win in the US, North America is heading towards a good place, Alhamdulillah.


He has smashed all the political correctness. That's what has happened. Everyone is talking about the points he raised. He is on news channels 24/7.
Even if he doesn't win the elections, the points he raised has become a major impact.
 
Of course they are, the Hindutva types are loving these comments by Trump as he's saying the things they fantasise about all the time. The cheerleading of Trump's fascist and discriminatory proposals on here by some posters have revealed some true colours - I'm glad they find blatant racism so amusing.

Do these guys not realise a right-wing racist hillbilly won't differentiate between a Muslim or a Hindu/Sikh ? All they see is a brown skin colour.

Also give me a break about Trump being some hidden intellectual. He's just said in a speech where he's talking about surveillance that "we need to go talk to Bill Gates to shut down these internets" where people are getting radicalised.

P.S. Why are people bringing up UN resolutions and Jammu and Kashmir :facepalm: There's already a million threads on that, quit polluting this one.

Bro that poster he is Buddhist and Sri Lankan just saying.
 
Bro that poster he is Buddhist and Sri Lankan just saying.

OK my bad but the apologies for fascism here is still disturbing. I can guarantee you these Stormfront types who populate Trump's support don't care about Muslim, Sikh, Hindu, Buddhist, these guys only see skin colour and automatically view you with suspicion.
 
Why the fuss by Pakistani's? Because its a violation of human right, then what about the treatment of Ahmedi's in Pakistan.
Sshhh. We don't talk about that stuff here. Human rights violations and discrimination are only human rights violations and discrimination if they're being committed by non Muslims against Muslims(brother China being an exception). What's going on here is people defending their faith and keeping it pure. No barbaric human rights violations here, nor any double standards. No sir.

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He has smashed all the political correctness. That's what has happened. Everyone is talking about the points he raised. He is on news channels 24/7.
Even if he doesn't win the elections, the points he raised has become a major impact.

Just because you have warped xenophobic views doesn't mean airing them in a public way is smashing political correctness.

I wonder how you would react if the Modi and his goons were still banned for his involvement in the 2002 riots ?? I bet then it wouldn't be political correctness.
 
Just because you have warped xenophobic views doesn't mean airing them in a public way is smashing political correctness.



I wonder how you would react if the Modi and his goons were still banned for his involvement in the 2002 riots ?? I bet then it wouldn't be political correctness.


Its no secret that a huge amount of Muslims don't like America. If they don't like that country and if one American is saying that lets ban them until they can figure it out what the hell is going on, it doesn't sound like xenophobic view to me. He is asking a temporary ban. Not a permanent one.

You talking about Modi is hilarious.. What's Modi s gotta do with this?
 
Its no secret that a huge amount of Muslims don't like America. If they don't like that country and if one American is saying that lets ban them until they can figure it out what the hell is going on, it doesn't sound like xenophobic view to me. He is asking a temporary ban. Not a permanent one.

You talking about Modi is hilarious.. What's Modi s gotta do with this?

There were 355 mass shootings in the USA in 2015. What is Trump going to do about these home grown terrorists?
 
There were 355 mass shootings in the USA in 2015. What is Trump going to do about these home grown terrorists?


Religious ones are motivated and far more dangerous than any other reason for mass murders. They can't do anything who are already there. But, at least they can prevent the ones who are coming in who hate the Americans to the core.
 
Its no secret that a huge amount of Muslims don't like America. If they don't like that country and if one American is saying that lets ban them until they can figure it out what the hell is going on, it doesn't sound like xenophobic view to me. He is asking a temporary ban. Not a permanent one.

You talking about Modi is hilarious.. What's Modi s gotta do with this?

Lol, it's well known Modi was banned from the USA after the massacres he instigated in 2002. Look it up if you don't believe it.

Now that's a valid reason for banning criminals and mass murderers but banning on the basis of religion alone is ludricous and it's not happening in any case. Tell me how it's going to be implemented ??

It's all just headline attention seeking rhetoric that's why he's been condemned by nearly everyone, except a minority of bigots, some of whom like lurking on Pakpassion.
 
Lol, it's well known Modi was banned from the USA after the massacres he instigated in 2002. Look it up if you don't believe it.



Now that's a valid reason for banning criminals and mass murderers but banning on the basis of religion alone is ludricous and it's not happening in any case. Tell me how it's going to be implemented ??



It's all just headline attention seeking rhetoric that's why he's been condemned by nearly everyone, except a minority of bigots, some of whom like lurking on Pakpassion.


Yrs, but he was acquitted from the charges. Anyway, I'm not a Modi fan boy, . If Americans ban him, I don't give a damn because it doesn't hurt me.
Let trump and Republicans worry about how to implement such a thing. At least they can ban 250,000 Syrians who are going to get asylum in America. That much they can do.
 
Yrs, but he was acquitted from the charges. Anyway, I'm not a Modi fan boy, . If Americans ban him, I don't give a damn because it doesn't hurt me.
Let trump and Republicans worry about how to implement such a thing. At least they can ban 250,000 Syrians who are going to get asylum in America. That much they can do.

So now your argument has changed from banning Muslims to banning Syrians? Does that include banning Syrian Christians, Aliwites and Kurds ?
 
So now your argument has changed from banning Muslims to banning Syrians? Does that include banning Syrian Christians, Aliwites and Kurds ?


As I said its up to Republicans to figure it out how they are going to implement the ban. You are me don't have to worry about it.
Now, when it comes to the Syrians, you have to ask this question to Trump. Not me. :D
 

trump making some great points. a ban on muslims won't be enough though. there are still many islamists hiding in the west waiting for the right moment.

I heard there are thousands of them in Europe with fake Indian passports with names like Deepak Patel and Santosh Gupta. Word is they are mingling in Hindu temples and gurdwaras so might need to send in special forces with guns and smoke bombs to flush them out.
 
As I said its up to Republicans to figure it out how they are going to implement the ban. You are me don't have to worry about it.
Now, when it comes to the Syrians, you have to ask this question to Trump. Not me. :D

But I can't ask Trump so I have to ask you sense you seem to be giving lots of excuses towards his views.

You haven't answered the question, hopefully you will answer it rather than flip flopping like Trump and his advisors will do shortly.
 
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So you are happy to be a bully? No one bothered because UN is most corrupt institution on Earth. With your PM as top criminals in the world. No wonder he bullied them in to this. Also expains , why UN bothered to put that BS condition in the referrendum. How blind could you be? Asking opinion of people through voting. What has it got to do with armies etc?? Just knowing theor opinion. You know in your heart, Kashmiris will denounce "Hindustan" super bad. Thats the reason it is not happening.

Linkin army and referendum is so stupid. So, you take away the right of opinion from Kashmris because "Pakistani" army is in there? Also Pakistan has to leave but India can have "minimum" army. WHAT A JOKE .

You should see a trend now.
Bye

J&k is a part of india.

Rest doesn't matter.
 
so... is calling a criminal a criminal then

Hint: transgender are mentally unstable by nature

Ofcourse it isn't wrong to call criminal a criminal.

But you are as guilty as those indians that you are condemning.

Just wanted to point that out.
 
That's fine, but when you have certain posters with 1 way agenda you need to remind them of their own problems as well. I know you dont generally so respect to you.

The agenda of a critic should be to criticize. Just like we have movie critics and arts critics, we have critics who specialize on Pakistan. Will you say a food critic why he doesnt become a music critic too? I think Indians make excellent Pakistan critics as they can see things from a distance, and distance gives perspective.
 
I just post threads to show even Pakistan have troubles.Here people are taking the fake intolerance debate happening in India seriously but can't take few threads about Pakistan.

If you didn't noticed i opened a thread about Bullet train India..don't worry more threads about India will be coming at you....

:)))

A thread about bullet train. So anything good about Bharat will be posted but nothing negative.

While everything negative about Pakiatan will be.

Yeah as for intolerance everyone knows it's going on so need to whine about it and get defensive. If people are being dragged out of their homes and trucks just because they want to eat Beef then savagely killed by Hindu mobs it will be reported like it or not.
 
The agenda of a critic should be to criticize. Just like we have movie critics and arts critics, we have critics who specialize on Pakistan. Will you say a food critic why he doesnt become a music critic too? I think Indians make excellent Pakistan critics as they can see things from a distance, and distance gives perspective.

And I will make a brilliant Indian critic as well. Thanks CC.
 
I don't think it is the right attitude to have. A critic is very valuable, and one should welcome critics, more than people who say only good things about you.

Indian posters are doing a good job by bringing up Pakistani domestic issues so that it gets enough attention. Some Pakistani friends also do a great service to Indians by doing the same, but the utility is limited, as it is predominantly a Pakistani forum, and better to discuss only Pakistani issues here.

I disagree, there are so many Indian friends on this board that it's a fine place to discuss issues over there, especially sensitive topics which may get a user banned on a patriotic Indian board.
 
I disagree, there are so many Indian friends on this board that it's a fine place to discuss issues over there, especially sensitive topics which may get a user banned on a patriotic Indian board.

Why bring other boards? you have doubt about patriotism of PP??
 
I disagree, there are so many Indian friends on this board that it's a fine place to discuss issues over there, especially sensitive topics which may get a user banned on a patriotic Indian board.

I agree that it is a fine place to discuss Indian issues, I just said that it is better to discuss Pakistani issues so that it remains a Pakistani forum in spirit and character.
 
The Hindutva types love this rhetoric because they wish they could throw Indian Muslims out of their country. Some of the Indian posters are struggling to conceal their delight at Trumps comments. After the Charlie Hebdo attack A Sikh guy was attacked in a supermarket in the UK suspected at being a terrorist. Yes the anti Muslim sentiment will increase amongst some but most Brits or other Western Europeans are well educated and wont resort to attacking others in the street. The ones who do that are the uneducated knuckle draggers who cant diffrentiate between a turbaned Sikh and a bearded Muslim. Or a brown Hindu or a brown Muslim. How do you ban Muslim immigration in the U.S its not like people walk around with religion cards. Someone could have a Muslim sounding name but be atheist or irreligious. Maybe they Trump should implement the Spanish inquisition test make propspective muslim immigrants eat pork and burn a quran.

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J&k is a part of india.

Rest doesn't matter.

If Indian soldiers were killing your brothers and raping your family memebers every day, believe me it would have mattered!

Also, read the independence agreement. Majority of people decide which country to join. Kashmir had a hindu ruler but almost people were Muslim, they wanted to Join Pakistan just like Hindus went to India but you guys ruined everything. India is a Bully run by a mass murderer and it is funny when you guys talk about being the best democracy.
 
Islamist extremism will never disappear until Saudi oil dries up. and the West still backs it to the hill despite the public antipathy to Saudi

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Islamist extremism will never disappear until Saudi oil dries up. and the West still backs it to the hill despite the public antipathy to Saudi

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Very few people of Saudi have been radicalized if people of other countries are getting radicalized i think its their fault more than Saudi's.
 
Very few people of Saudi have been radicalized if people of other countries are getting radicalized i think its their fault more than Saudi's.

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. Saudis had the second highest number of Foreign IS fighters. And this was back in August 2014. The number could have risen a lot.


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. Saudis had the second highest number of Foreign IS fighters. And this was back in August 2014. The number could have risen a lot.


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I stand corrected then but can still be Saudi blamed for other countries?Must be there fault as well.
 
I stand corrected then but can still be Saudi blamed for other countries?Must be there fault as well.

Surprisingly more British Muslims have gone there than Pakistani and Indian Muslims.


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They live in denial for sure just like me i guess

Although most Western statistics confirm that the Saudi fighters make up the largest share of foreign fighters, Saudi Arabia considers this to be a false exaggeration aimed to "distort the image of Saudi Arabia and label its citizens as terrorists," according to Abdul Moneim Al-Mushawwah, the director of the Sakina Campaign, concerned with combatting extremist and violent ideology in Saudi Arabia. In his statement to Al-Arabiya net, he added: "Yes there are Saudi fighters that have joined the ranks of ISIS, just as there are fighters from most other countries, but the Saudis make up the least number of fighters."
 
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