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Younis Khan: A better Test batsman than Rahul Dravid?

Huge Younis Khan fan

Both batsman are similar types but Dravid just shades it due to the length of time he played for and his various achievements, runs made. Younis is probably the best batsman from Pakistan ever though or at least he will end his career as the greatest.
 
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Eversor said:
Huge Younis Khan fan

Both batsman are similar types but Dravid just shades it due to the length of time he played for and his various achievements, runs made. Younis is probably the best batsman from Pakistan ever though or at least he will end his career as the greatest.
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Miandad.
 
Bilal7 said:
What was he doing at the age of 38? Getting whitewashed.

Dravid is better but this is a silly way to prove it.
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At the age of 38, he was single-handedly fighting against anderson,broad, bresnan in england....where as all others getting pummelled.
 
Fastandfurious said:
Miandad.
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You from Karachi? General observation, those from Punjab have Inzi and Yousaf ahead of him, those in Khyber Pukhtunkhwa will say Younus Khan, those from Karachi will maintain that it is Miandad.

Surely if he surpasses Miandad in runs he is a greater cricketer? already has more 100, more runs in lesser games played
 
Adil_94 said:
Compared to his overall record Tendulkar by his standards has just been decent against Pakistan.
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True. Sachin has mostly been below his best against Pakistan.

It was against Australia and England that he reserved his best performances for.
 
Afridirocks said:
I believe Dravid was a better test batsman than Tendulkar
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Dravid used to grind while Sachin used to take on the bowlers.
Only those who go only by numbers would say Dravid was better than Sachin.
Those who watched both would say Sachin was superior.

To be honest, if I need a guy to bat out 100 overs to save a test or see off an extremely threatening spell from an ATG bowler like Steyn would I go to Dravid.
For all other scenarios, Sachin was better.
 
IMO dravid was better bowler of fast while younis is the better player of spin

one more thing draivd was confident starter while younis is like nervous starter

younis have an excellent conversion rate only hayden managed to do that

both are of similar class
 
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Noobosauras said:
Dravid used to grind while Sachin used to take on the bowlers.
Only those who go only by numbers would say Dravid was better than Sachin.
Those who watched both would say Sachin was superior.

To be honest, if I need a guy to bat out 100 overs to save a test or see off an extremely threatening spell from an ATG bowler like Steyn would I go to Dravid.
For all other scenarios, Sachin was better.
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Dravid was better than Sachin in tougher conditions against non ATG bowlers.

But against ATG bowlers, Dravid was inferior to Sachin in all conditions. Home or away.

That's why Sachin and Lara are rated higher. They took on bowlers and took on ATGs.

With all being said, if I had to choose someone to play for my life, I would choose Dravid over Sachin in a heartbeat.
 
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For example, in the yardsticks given in OP, against ATG bowlers along with semi ATGs like Walsh and Pollock

Dravid averages 39 while Sachin 49.

Away from home, Dravid averages 32 and Sachin averages 49.

At home, Dravid averages 47 and Sachin averages 48.

Dravid is comparable to Sachin in Tests. I can understand some people rating him higher. Everyone has a right to their opinion. But a lot of people say Dravid is better in tougher conditions , which is partly true but not against ATG bowlers.

Plus I am not a fan of these cherry picked stats even though Sachin is coming way ahead in that. What kind of knocks you play (centuries, match defining) matters. That's where Sachin and Lara stand out. Dravid just isn't at that level. You just have to watch all 3 play to know who stands where.

For eg - Lara at his peak can do stuff that Sachin even at his peak simply can't. No amount of stat manipulation is going to change that.

Screw the stats.
 
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Noobosauras said:
True. Sachin has mostly been below his best against Pakistan.

It was against Australia and England that he reserved his best performances for.
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Maybe that along with the jealousy factor is why Sachin isn't rated as highly by some Pak fans. As Indians hyped him as a "God of cricket". While he was a mere mortal when he played Pakistan most of the time.
 
On a serious note Dravid is an ATG who has played many and match defining knocks in Alien conditions YK is a great Test Bat but not ATG. If only it wasnt for that Crazy late 2009-2010 under :ibutt when YK missed 4 overseas Tours. If he had done well in them he would have had 30+ Tons close to 10K runs and been an ATG by now. At this stage of his career i doubt he will make many overseas tours considering his age is 38 in reality i think he wouls struggle in AUS/ENG now if he toured. Its a shame he couldnt go there during his peak in 2010. If he carries on this crazy form he could become a Semi-ATG like Sanga but that is a big if.
 
Younis is one of the best test batsmen right now but Dravid is miles better. You cannot beat the wall.
 
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Eversor said:
You from Karachi? General observation, those from Punjab have Inzi and Yousaf ahead of him, those in Khyber Pukhtunkhwa will say Younus Khan, those from Karachi will maintain that it is Miandad.

Surely if he surpasses Miandad in runs he is a greater cricketer? already has more 100, more runs in lesser games played
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No. Mahela has 11k runs, doesn't mean he's better. Inzi Yousuf and YK in the same tier.
 
Eversor said:
You from Karachi? General observation, those from Punjab have Inzi and Yousaf ahead of him, those in Khyber Pukhtunkhwa will say Younus Khan, those from Karachi will maintain that it is Miandad.

Surely if he surpasses Miandad in runs he is a greater cricketer? already has more 100, more runs in lesser games played
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You know everything is not based on regionalism :facepalm:
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Do Pakistan play any tests after this series? More importantly away?
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During 2016 and 2017, they have away tours to England, Australia and South Africa. After this we have tours to Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

Eversor said:
You from Karachi? General observation, those from Punjab have Inzi and Yousaf ahead of him, those in Khyber Pukhtunkhwa will say Younus Khan, those from Karachi will maintain that it is Miandad.

Surely if he surpasses Miandad in runs he is a greater cricketer? already has more 100, more runs in lesser games played
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:facepalm:

Maybe he just likes Miandad the player? I'm from Karachi but prefer Younis. Regionalism is absolute crap.
 
Bilal7 said:
Wouldn't matter. Any batsman can score runs in the Windies these days, they are pseudo-minnows.
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It does matter. I want him to have a high average in every country.

One thing I'd love is for him to score a ton in AUS.
 
Bullet Drive said:
It does matter. I want him to have a high average in every country.

One thing I'd love is for him to score a ton in AUS.
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Probably won't make it till 2017.

I'd just want him to get a last test at home, even if it be against Kenya. Him and Misbah both.
 
I love younis best bat from pak, let's wait for him to finish his career before comparing him to dravid who i rate as the better bat at the moment. Despite what the numbers will say i still prefer Dravid to Sachin
 
TESTS
Dravid>=Younus>Tendulkar
Dravid and Younus on similar level in Tests. I think Dravid shades it.

ODI
Tendulkar>Dravid>Younus
Tendulkar better than both in ODI's
 
Bilal7 said:
During 2016 and 2017, they have away tours to England, Australia and South Africa. After this we have tours to Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.



:facepalm:

Maybe he just likes Miandad the player? I'm from Karachi but prefer Younis. Regionalism is absolute crap.
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He seems like a relatively young lad. Many on this forum have not seen Miandad play in his prime, that is good for you man, just stated an opinion without being malicious but apologies if it was portrayed in some maligant way
 
Eversor said:
He seems like a relatively young lad. Many on this forum have not seen Miandad play in his prime, that is good for you man, just stated an opinion without being malicious but apologies if it was portrayed in some maligant way
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I haven't seen Miandad play either but its just his record and the high esteem in which he is held by the elders in my family which makes him the best, in my eyes. Only until Younis ends his career though, he''ll probably surpass Miandad by that time.

No apologies necessary.
 
Dravid had a better defense than Younis and Tendulkar. However Tendulkar is way way way above Younis and Dravid in terms of shot making ability.
 
Couldn't stop laughing after watching this gem from [MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION]

Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
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:))):))):)))
 
Dravid was still scoring through sheer grit in the 2011 Eng Tour when the rest of the great batsmen were failing miserably around him.(Sehwag looked clueless) I loved those innings in that tour
 
This article settles it once and for all,

http://www.dawn.com/news/1193130/younis-khan-humble-record-breaker-has-left-little-room-for-doubt

He is an underrated player who despite better average and record in most situations is always considered a lesser player than the likes of Dravid. Younis is not as marketable as some batsmen from the other side of the border. From the number's game he beats Tendulkar and Dravid in most scenarios. Before jumpin at me, please read the article with all the stats provided.
 
Cricket-passion said:
This article settles it once and for all,

http://www.dawn.com/news/1193130/younis-khan-humble-record-breaker-has-left-little-room-for-doubt

He is an underrated player who despite better average and record in most situations is always considered a lesser player than the likes of Dravid. Younis is not as marketable as some batsmen from the other side of the border. From the number's game he beats Tendulkar and Dravid in most scenarios. Before jumpin at me, please read the article with all the stats provided.
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Good find mate. I fully agree with the author and the OP. Despite Younus not Being as marketable, he is without a doubt an equal of Rahul Dravid in Test Cricket. Arguably even superior in Tests. In ODI's, Dravid is ahead but Younus is the better test bat IMO.
 
Dravid better, by having had the opportunity to tour Australia more than YK
 
Younis is brilliant and a definite ATG but the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid, Sanga,Gavaskar and Miandad are still ahead among SubContinent batsmen.
 
Cricket-passion said:
This article settles it once and for all,

http://www.dawn.com/news/1193130/younis-khan-humble-record-breaker-has-left-little-room-for-doubt

He is an underrated player who despite better average and record in most situations is always considered a lesser player than the likes of Dravid. Younis is not as marketable as some batsmen from the other side of the border. From the number's game he beats Tendulkar and Dravid in most scenarios. Before jumpin at me, please read the article with all the stats provided.
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Quite a poor article. Lots of misguided stats used.
 
Younis Khan is very good, but not as good as Dravid.

No shame in that, he is - in my opinion - still better than Sangakkara, Chanderpaul and other contemporaries.
 
Cricket-passion said:
This article settles it once and for all,

http://www.dawn.com/news/1193130/younis-khan-humble-record-breaker-has-left-little-room-for-doubt

He is an underrated player who despite better average and record in most situations is always considered a lesser player than the likes of Dravid. Younis is not as marketable as some batsmen from the other side of the border. From the number's game he beats Tendulkar and Dravid in most scenarios. Before jumpin at me, please read the article with all the stats provided.
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Article claims that he has a stellar away record with 23 centuries.


Does the writer count YK's stats from UAE as "Away from home" and claim above?
Yes, he does. Should he? No.
Why? Because let's say playing Australia or a SA in UAE is a lot lot different than playing them at their home.

YK has 14 centuries in opposition's home, 9 of them came against SL/Ind/Bang.

Let's not go OTT here please.
 
Younis has good averages, but he does not have many great knocks in England and Australia like Dravid. He hasn't played there in a decade, but if he does well next year he can be ranked alongside Dravid as an all-time great.

Could have been there already, had he not voluntarily missed the Australian series in 2009-2010 and not been dumped by Ijaz Butt for the England series in 2010.
 
Younis might finish as the best Pak batsman but will be still a rank below the Wall.
 
There isn't a lot of difference in the class between top tier batsmen, so I tend to laugh when people write A>>>>>>B whoever A and B happen to be. Still it is tough to beat Dravid due to his exceptional record in tough away conditions. Sachin, Lara, Dravid, Kallis, Ponting, KP, Sanga, YK, AB, Amla etc - all these are exceptional test bats. To some extent grading them is a subjective exercise.
 
YK went up to Dravid for tips to tackle spin way back in 2005.So Dravid deserves some credit everytime YK bashes spinners like it's his job :sanga
 
I am a bit biased towards YK because he is one of my favourite bats, so I would say he is slightly better because of his better performance vs top class bowlers when compared to Dravid.
 
Younis and Dravid only faced an old Ambrose. Take their stats against him with a grain of salt.

Regarding the OP's question, Younis is certainly more fun to watch than Dravid.
 
Romali_rotti said:
I am a bit biased towards YK because he is one of my favourite bats, so I would say he is slightly better because of his better performance vs top class bowlers when compared to Dravid.
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Huh?

Just after an year of making his debut, Dravid scored 148 in the 1997 Joburg test, against Donald and Pollock at their peak. Just an example.
 
Romali_rotti said:
I am a bit biased towards YK because he is one of my favourite bats, so I would say he is slightly better because of his better performance vs top class bowlers when compared to Dravid.
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Which world class bowlers did Younis Khan face and played well against?
 
Dravid is better but then he is one of the best in history.
 
Dravid still better. But in Tests id say YK has surpassed Inzi and Moyo. And is pretty close to surpassing Miandad. If Younus can get to 10k 35 tons he will be our undisputed greatest test bat
 
YK is the best batsman in UAE. As long as he keeps playing there, he will continue to pile on centuries and his average keeps on skyrocketing.

YK is a good bat and probably better than Dravid while playing spinners. But in tough conditions against quality bowling, I doubt YK lasts long. Dravid is one batsman I would pick to face a top class bowler in a green pitch. Even a head of Sachin.

YK to me is in Ganguly category in terms of ability to play top class bowling which is still very very good. On UAE roads, YK is probably even better than Bradman.
 
Younis is no where near Dravid's class. Dravid scored runs against much tougher attacks. If he was playing against this Sri Lankan attack I'm sure he would have scored hundreds every innings.
 
YK is good player of spin but Dravid was good player of spin as well as fast bowling.
 
I'd say very little separates them now.

Dravid ahead but not by much.
 
Mamoon said:
Younis has good averages, but he does not have many great knocks in England and Australia like Dravid. He hasn't played there in a decade, but if he does well next year he can be ranked alongside Dravid as an all-time great.

Could have been there already, had he not voluntarily missed the Australian series in 2009-2010 and not been dumped by Ijaz Butt for the England series in 2010.
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Agreed very much with your second paragraph. If we had taken Younis and Yousuf to both of those tours, very different outcomes.

When Yousuf came in for the 3rd test in England during 2010, the gulf in class was clear for all to see - despite being rusty. The 50 he made in the first innings was a nice little innings, great to see a Pakistani playing the ball late, and with ease AND in England.

Yousuf and Younis scored big back in 06 in England, think Yousuf introduced the idea of the "nervous 190s" :)
 
Dravid is technically the better batsman in tests. Though Younis has proved an absolute fortress in the 2nd innings and for that I salute him.

Also, though it could be the case for Dravid, Younis appears an exceptionally good batting partner - I am sure Azhar, Shafiq and Sarfraz will all testify.
 
Overall, YK has better stats than Dravid at this stage. YK averages 2 points better than dravid and has a superior conversion rate rate of centuries. Dravid has 36 centuries in 164 matches while YK has 30 centuries in 101 matches. A gap of an astonishing 63 test matches but a gap of only 6 centuries.

Dravid Overall :
164 matches| Ave 52.31 | 100's - 36 | 50's - 63

YK Overall:
101 matches| Ave 54.07 | 100's - 30 | 50's - 29

Both batsman have mediocre records in South Africa. YK still averages 3 points better than Dravid.

Dravid in SA:
11 matches| Ave 29.71 | 100's - 1 | 50's - 2

YK in SA:
8 matches| Ave 32.60 | 100's - 1 | 50's - 2

In England, Dravid has a far superior record to YK. Dravid averages a phenomenal 68.8 with 6 hundreds. YK still has a very good average of 52 but will need to score some more runs in England to match Dravid.

Dravid in England:
13 matches | Ave 68.80 | 100's - 6 | 50's - 4

YK in England:
5 matches | Ave 52.22 | 100's - 1 | 50's - 3

In Australia, YK averages better than Dravid but has played only 3 matches compared to Dravid's 16. If YK plays a few more matches in Australia and scores a century or two. He will more likely end up with a slightly better record than Dravid.

Dravid in Australia:
16 matches| Ave 41.64 | 100's - 1 | 50's - 6

YK in Australia:
3 matches | Ave 43.16 | 100's - 0 | 50's - 1

Overall, Dravid only has a decisive edge in England. YK has better overall stats at this point in his career and slightly better record in SA, and slightly better in Australia, albeit playing only 3 matches in Australia.

If Younis can score runs in Austalia and Englad next year, he will end up as a better batsman than Dravid. Specially, when you consider that fact YK almost always batted in a fragile batting line-up and a big chunk of his runs came in crunch situations, carrying out rescue missions for his side.
 
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