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Younis Khan: A better Test batsman than Rahul Dravid?

Except that azhar plays in the top order himself in the domestic and after the retirement of inzi and moyo, younis was our best bet.
It was in the best interests of the team for him to bat at 4.
Does kohli seem like a coward to you too?
Nah, you wont say a damn thing about him, would you bcoz it would defy your narrative on him.
Why does he hide behind at 4 and is prepared to chop n change with multiple batsmen at number 3 but not promote himself up there?
Your bias and vitriol never ceases to amaze me.

Younis is the gutsiest batsman along with miandad and imran that we have produced.
Anyone who has a record like younis in the 4th innings of tests doesnt get called cowardly. You should do serious review of your intellect to call him that.

And by the way, I am not a younis ******, am I?

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Except that azhar plays in the top order himself in the domestic and after the retirement of inzi and moyo, younis was our best bet.
It was in the best interests of the team for him to bat at 4.
Does kohli seem like a coward to you too?
Nah, you wont say a damn thing about him, would you bcoz it would defy your narrative on him.
Why does he hide behind at 4 and is prepared to chop n change with multiple batsmen at number 3 but not promote himself up there?
Your bias and vitriol never ceases to amaze me.

Younis is the gutsiest batsman along with miandad and imran that we have produced.
Anyone who has a record like younis in the 4th innings of tests doesnt get called cowardly. You should do serious review of your intellect to call him that.

And by the way, I am not a younis ******, am I?

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A very poor post devoid of facts. If I could muster the energy to dissect the logical fallacies in your post and poor facts:

1. Inzamam moved down the order first for Ijaz and later for MoYo, both were top-order players. Yet you choose to criticize them for hiding down the order while giving Younis a free pass.

2. I've said on record on my times that the best batsman in the team should bat at 3 in Tests. I have criticized Tendulkar for it and I am also critical of Kohli and Root. Both are the best batsmen in their team and they need to bat at 3, rather than hide down the order.

3. Younis has a great record in the fourth innings because he's an outstanding player of spin and his deficiencies agai and pacers is also masked on a day 5 pitch. It has nothing to do with guts.
 
Dravid was a kind of player who would agree to walk on broken glass if his team asks to do..If Younis is asked to do this he would rather break few more glasses..

True ,YK might be a great batsmen but Dravid's attitude towards the team inspite of all those years of hard work and becoming an ATG, things never went to his head.
 
People here are accepting that YK cant play pace bowling but he is still better than Dravid?Am i missing something here?

He averages 40+ in Australia, 50+ in England and I think his average in New Zealand is 50+ too. He is better against spin than pace, just like Dravid was, but he's not mediocre against fast bowling by any stretch of the imagination.
 
He averages 40+ in Australia, 50+ in England and I think his average in New Zealand is 50+ too. He is better against spin than pace, just like Dravid was, but he's not mediocre against fast bowling by any stretch of the imagination.

Basically This ^^ People here are confusing the fact that (playing spin is Yk's strong suit as compared to playing Pace) with (YK can't play Pace). YK's standalone numbers against Pace are quite decent in isolation.
 
A very poor post devoid of facts. If I could muster the energy to dissect the logical fallacies in your post and poor facts:

1. Inzamam moved down the order first for Ijaz and later for MoYo, both were top-order players. Yet you choose to criticize them for hiding down the order while giving Younis a free pass.

2. I've said on record on my times that the best batsman in the team should bat at 3 in Tests. I have criticized Tendulkar for it and I am also critical of Kohli and Root. Both are the best batsmen in their team and they need to bat at 3, rather than hide down the order.

3. Younis has a great record in the fourth innings because he's an outstanding player of spin and his deficiencies agai and pacers is also masked on a day 5 pitch. It has nothing to do with guts.

Ijaz used to be a number 6,7 batsman and only moved to 3 because inzi didnt want to bat there.

You might have advocated for the best batsmen to bat at 3 but I doubt that you have called sachin or kohli as being cowards to have stuck to no. 4

Why would you? Coz if you do, you will lose your perspective and standing on this forum

And by the way, younis batted at 3 during his stint as captain so you cant attribute his demotion to 4 as his own doing. He could hv promoted anybody else to number 3 like in 2005' sydney; yousuf brought yasir hameed, a top order player into the xi to sheath himself rather than bringing a middle order player in asim kamal as inzi's replacement.

What if misbah wants to sheath him from the new ball.
What if the team management feels and rightly so that azhar's weakness against spin and solidity against pace can make him a better option at 3 than 4?

Coming to tge 4th innings debate

For reference, your view of amla as a choker because he cant handle the pressure of knockout games was even discussed on the opera show, such is its fame.

So that means, you do rate pressure of the occasion as a determining factor in gauging somebody's skills.

So why do you dispel younis and his 4th innings knocks?
Forget that he smiles and is called saintly.

Performing in the 4th innings doesnt only have to deal with the skill to play spin. You have to have the marbles to handle pressure of the 4th innings.

Were tendulkar, moyo lesser players of spin than younis? Why dont they boast a record like yk if all it takes is just skill?

Once again you lose track and start arguing about how he is a weak player of pace and that his deficiencies get masked.
Oo bhaiii, when did I contest this claim?
I agree that he has his frailties against pace.
But do you deny that scoring in the 4th innings requires no extra guts, pressure?
I dont see how one can.
You called him cowardly but I am afraid, a coward fails to hold his own in pressure situations, let alone outperform all his contemporaries.



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He averages 40+ in Australia, 50+ in England and I think his average in New Zealand is 50+ too. He is better against spin than pace, just like Dravid was, but he's not mediocre against fast bowling by any stretch of the imagination.

Average of 31.2 against pace away. Lowest in peer group of kp, Clarke, Lara, sangakarra, kallis, Tendulkar, Dravidian, chanderpal. The others at least toured more than yk.
 
Basically This ^^ People here are confusing the fact that (playing spin is Yk's strong suit as compared to playing Pace) with (YK can't play Pace). YK's standalone numbers against Pace are quite decent in isolation.

31.2 against pace away is not decent. You can of course obscure the picture with the stats above.
 
Basically This ^^ People here are confusing the fact that (playing spin is Yk's strong suit as compared to playing Pace) with (YK can't play Pace). YK's standalone numbers against Pace are quite decent in isolation.

They're pretty great when you factor in that he has batted at #3 for a sizable number of test matches. Then you have the Cape Town test where Pakistan were ready to be bowled out for a ridiculously low score before our two best players of pace, Younis and Shafiq, hit centuries against what was then, the best pace attack in the world.
 
Average of 31.2 against pace away. Lowest in peer group of kp, Clarke, Lara, sangakarra, kallis, Tendulkar, Dravidian, chanderpal. The others at least toured more than yk.

Can I get a source for this? If the others are all averaging 50+ against pace outside the subcontinent, then Younis Khan's numbers are pretty average.
 
He averages 40+ in Australia, 50+ in England and I think his average in New Zealand is 50+ too. He is better against spin than pace, just like Dravid was, but he's not mediocre against fast bowling by any stretch of the imagination.
A grand total of 7 tests in AUS and ENG.Has no centuries in AUS.
 
A grand total of 7 tests in AUS and ENG.Has no centuries in AUS.

Not his fault. He's done very well in the few chances that he has had. Do you know how many matches Curtly Ambrose played in the subcontinent?

Link above.

Here is my post:

This is a great post, well done.

I don't view Khan's numbers as particularly bad when you see guys like Clarke, KP and Kallis are all averaging more or less as much as he does against pace bowling, in away matches. Younis averages more than them when facing spin, away, so it all balances out.

By the way, some of these numbers seem dodgy, how is that Kallis and Chanderpaul have career averages of 50+ but they don't average that much against any sort of bowling, anywhere?
 
Not his fault. He's done very well in the few chances that he has had. Do you know how many matches Curtly Ambrose played in the subcontinent?



Here is my post:
Not his fault or his fault is a different argument.YK doesnt have runs in places like AUS ENG SA WI like his peers.
 
Not his fault or his fault is a different argument.YK doesnt have runs in places like AUS ENG SA WI like his peers.

Does Curtly Ambrose have wickets in places like India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka like his peers? Besides, like I have said plenty on times, 2016 will be an important year for Khan because he can set things right in these countries.
 
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Dravid > Any Pak batsman not named Javed Miandad and after 2016, Younis Khan. Inzamam, Anwar and Yousuf were better in ODIs too.

No chance mate.. Discrepancy btw Miandad's home vs away record is too big..

Talking about Test only..
 
Yar this discussion is futile. Pakistanis will say YK is better, Indians will say Dravid is. Simple as that. For me YK is the ultimate test Batsman we have produced and no matter how strongly I feel for Dravid; I rate him very highly right after Sunny. He will never trump my bias which I will always have for YK. I can twist and skew the stats to make anyone look better than another individual but in all seriousness I sincerely believe YK to be superior.

Anyhoo the reason is simple, YK has given us fond memories as Pakistanis same as how Dravid has given Indians. Generally speaking, it takes extreme objectively to go out of your way and say something that defies instinct or actual numbers so folks lets just leave it at that.
 
No chance mate.. Discrepancy btw Miandad's home vs away record is too big..

Talking about Test only..

Blame biased umpiring for that. Home umpires favoured him while foreign umpires were biased against him.

Which is why Ambrose doesnt make it to the list of world 11s.

Dravid doesn't make World XI's either.

Ambrose is a bonafide ATG bowler. No reason why Younis Khan should not be treated the same way, especially after he's played seven more tests in Australia and England, next year.
 
YK has hundreds in UK and SA. Dravid was lulloo in 1 of the two countries himself.

Where would you place Younis Khan right now and what does he have to do next year to be rated as highly as Kallis and to a lesser extent, Dravid?
 
Blame biased umpiring for that. Home umpires favoured him while foreign umpires were biased against him.



Dravid doesn't make World XI's either.

Ambrose is a bonafide ATG bowler. No reason why Younis Khan should not be treated the same way, especially after he's played seven more tests in Australia and England, next year.
Let him play those 7 tests.Fact remains that YK doesnt have runs outside Asia.
 
YK has hundreds in UK and SA. Dravid was lulloo in 1 of the two countries himself.
Dravid has hundreds in every country.Not to forget that Dravid played Ambrose and Walsh in WI as well.Dravid has better stats in AUS ENG WI than YK.Dravid has similar stats to YK in NZ and SA.

YK has better stats than Dravid in SL only.
 
Where would you place Younis Khan right now and what does he have to do next year to be rated as highly as Kallis and to a lesser extent, Dravid?

I'm gonna let you down on this one buddy. Just don't see YK substantially eclipsing Dravid and Kallis at least in terms of batting achievements in both formats. But that doesn't matter for me. He's been a great guy. A thorough gentleman and an honest one. Maybe he can hit some more memorable knocks to leave a mark. Kallis abd Dravids have been colossal figures. My personal way of judging cricketers is seeing how they fared in presence of their great contemporaries and thats where even Kallis falls short because while Tendulkar and Lara played he was the mouse in the house. Dravid dominated world cricket from 2001 to 2004 when Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting, Hayden etc were going strong. I remember him for 1999-2004 mostly. He made his mark in a world of superstars.

Mohammad Yousuf remains the most high quality Pakistani batsman i have seen. Again, remember him for the test hundreds in Australia and England, match winning ODI knocks and that freak year.
 
Dravid has hundreds in every country.Not to forget that Dravid played Ambrose and Walsh in WI as well.Dravid has better stats in AUS ENG WI than YK.Dravid has similar stats to YK in NZ and SA.

YK has better stats than Dravid in SL only.

Dravid was a lulloo in South Africa. Fact

HAS ONLY 1 SUCCESSFUL TOUR OF AUSTRALIA IN THE ABSENCE OF MCGRATH AND WARNE , PLAYED ON ULTRA FLAT PITCHES.
 
I'm gonna let you down on this one buddy. Just don't see YK substantially eclipsing Dravid and Kallis at least in terms of batting achievements in both formats. But that doesn't matter for me. He's been a great guy. A thorough gentleman and an honest one. Maybe he can hit some more memorable knocks to leave a mark. Kallis abd Dravids have been colossal figures. My personal way of judging cricketers is seeing how they fared in presence of their great contemporaries and thats where even Kallis falls short because while Tendulkar and Lara played he was the mouse in the house. Dravid dominated world cricket from 2001 to 2004 when Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting, Hayden etc were going strong. I remember him for 1999-2004 mostly. He made his mark in a world of superstars.

Mohammad Yousuf remains the most high quality Pakistani batsman i have seen. Again, remember him for the test hundreds in Australia and England, match winning ODI knocks and that freak year.

Well, I was talking about Younis the test batsman. In ODIs, he has been a pretty poor player, barring a couple of great innings. Good post though. :)
 
Yet, tendulkar ridiculed him in his biography.
Shameless man this sachin guy.

Adam voges > sachin guy

At least voges didnt ridicule steve smith for declaring with him at 260 odd

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What are you about,there is a difference between ridiculing and criticizing if you want to see ridiculing you can check your cricketers doing it almost every day shamelessly on live television.
 
The biggest discrepancy in YK's record is his lack of matches in Aus (3), SA (8) and Eng (5).

Dravid on the other hand has played 10+ matches in each of these countries Aus (16), Eng (13) and SA (11).

Dravid and YK's records are comparable in Aus (Dravid Avg - 41, YK Avg - 43) and SA (Dravid Avg - 29, YK Avg - 32), whereas Dravid wins hands down in Eng (Dravid Avg - 68, YK - 52)

Their Averages in each other's nations (Dravid in Pak, and YK in Ind) and NZ are comparable. YK wins in SL (Dravid Avg - 33, YK - 45) and Dravid comprehensively wins in WI (Dravid Avg - 65, YK Avg - 23).

There are a few things that go against YK
1. The lack of matches in Aus+SA+Eng+WI which are the toughest for batsmen from the sub con (not anymore with WI).
2. The eras in which only one played Dravid (1996-2000; until YK debuted) and YK (2012 - now; after Dravid retired) batting has become easier, and the bowlers were considerably better in 1996-2000 era as compared to 2012 - present.
3. Dravid comprehensively beats YK in WI and Eng, whereas YK comprehensively beats Dravid only in SL.

YK, by performing well on the upcoming foreign tours, can rectify 3. If he ends up averaging 50+ in all Eng+SA+Aus, we can also overlook 1.

So, as of now Dravid is clearly the better bat. Only if YK does really well in the away tours, he would have a small chance in being better than Dravid.
 
Correct me if I am wrong India won just two tests in Australia in last 20-25 years.In both games Dravid set the match for India..
 
His 148 at Wanderers in 97 was a top class knock..

91 at Perth in 07 helped set India another memorable victory outside Asia..

And a blockathon with Deep Das Gupta as well in 2001. He's had a few good outings but overall a despicable record in Aus/RSA. He had Bradmanesque run on the ultra flat Aussie pitches of 2004 and he still averages freaking 42 overall there, that tells you how atrociously poor and useless she's been 80% of the times in these countries
 
I like YK , hes very good player , but Dravid is a league or two above . Just watch his 3 hundreds in 2011 Eng , I dont think any current or past players could have played knocks lick that on those conditions .
 
And a blockathon with Deep Das Gupta as well in 2001. He's had a few good outings but overall a despicable record in Aus/RSA. He had Bradmanesque run on the ultra flat Aussie pitches of 2004 and he still averages freaking 42 overall there, that tells you how atrociously poor and useless she's been 80% of the times in these countries

Again bringing stats. I already said he is beyond these numbers. He bats at number 3. So even his blockathon deserves to be appreciated. The last Aus tour came during his career's end.Remember, before that series he had an England tour where he overshadowed the likes of Sachin who was getting all limelight for his 100th century.Considering that, a failure in last tour is pretty acceptable and then he retired after that...
 
His 148 at Wanderers in 97 was a top class knock..

Again bringing stats. I already said he is beyond these numbers. He bats at number 3. So even his blockathon deserves to be appreciated. The last Aus tour came during his career's end.Remember, before that series he had an England tour where he overshadowed the likes of Sachin who was getting all limelight for his 100th century.Considering that, a failure in last tour is pretty acceptable and then he retired after that...

He wasn't that good in 1999 either. Dravid had becoming the butt of jokes by the end of Aus tour 2000. I am not at all convinced on his credentials in Australia as a batsman. Just 1 good tour in the absence of 2 of Australia's best bowlers and the pitches as flat as anything.
 
Tendulkar is a lalloo everywhere when it really mattered , shouldn't that count for something ?

Please quote me next time when you have a point. I don't come here to pass time and spam. Thanks
 
Where would you place Younis Khan right now and what does he have to do next year to be rated as highly as Kallis and to a lesser extent, Dravid?

You know the answer to that one
- ideally do really well (score bucket of runs) and team wins
- as above but team doesn't win
 
He wasn't that good in 1999 either. Dravid had becoming the butt of jokes by the end of Aus tour 2000. I am not at all convinced on his credentials in Australia as a batsman. Just 1 good tour in the absence of 2 of Australia's best bowlers and the pitches as flat as anything.

1999 tour he did failed. But is everything finished after failure in first tour?Great players overcome that.Dravid did it also...As far as Eng, WI, NZ are concerned you know how good he was there..Even a great knock in SA...
 
Why are you bringing in sachin to improve your case for dravid.
Its a well established fact that dravid was the superior batsman and a superior man.

Even my chaukidar put a dravid sticker on his bat and threw away the sachin sticker I gave him.

Well, he couldn't find any sticker of superstars like Miandad, Inzi, Yousuf?
 
What are you about,there is a difference between ridiculing and criticizing if you want to see ridiculing you can check your cricketers doing it almost every day shamelessly on live television.

He's trolling and laying out the bait.
 
Well, he couldn't find any sticker of superstars like Miandad, Inzi, Yousuf?
Nah, I only gave him 4 stickers; dravid, tenda, srinath and kambli. He got scared of the kambli one and didnt want anything to do with that, while he ripped of the moustache part of srinath's sticker and put it near the middle/toe of the bat.:mv

I asked him the reason and he said that srinath's bowling didnt deserve him to be sporting a manly moustache.
Therefore, everytime the ball would hit the sticker, it made him feel better


There were pakistani stickers as well, but I used all of them on my own bat:najam

I regret giving him the dravid one though. He actually started batting very tight; defending everything and I had to wait considerably longer to get him out and have my turn to bat again.

But it was only fair because I doubt whether he would have used the sachin sticker had that been his only choice:ibutt

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You know the answer to that one
- ideally do really well (score bucket of runs) and team wins
- as above but team doesn't win

Needs to be something realistic. I earlier said an average of 45 in all three countries combined would be good enough.
 
:))) if you say so

Younis is a very good batsmen.But he is underrated highly. Experts rate AB, Amla,Cook higher. Unless he produces something memorable like Sanga 's 192 in overseas he may not be rated highly especially by Western world..
 
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True ,he sounds like someone who plays with looney toons Tazo and his watchman stole them from him.


Huh? What is the proof that the views I am sharing are not honest ones.
Pretty convenient of you guys to just push everything under the troll carpet if you dont have an answer.

And by the way looney toones was great and I did watch it as kid.

U and that street guy sound like ussemity sam, given how much you are burning
 
Huh? What is the proof that the views I am sharing are not honest ones.
Pretty convenient of you guys to just push everything under the troll carpet if you dont have an answer.

And by the way looney toones was great and I did watch it as kid.

U and that street guy sound like ussemity sam, given how much you are burning

I hardly care lol:)

You should be more subtle, learn from Bilal.
 
lol, what?

Why cant you digest the fact that rahul dravid the pride of Karnataka' is better than tendulkar; if that is his name or is it?:ibutt

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Doesn't matter, Shehzad has more talent than both.
 
It came into relevance as dravid's and his pedigree in away matches was being discussed. I didnt bring it outta nowhere

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You brought in Tendy for his criticism of his teammate in public. I said Shezzy has more talent than Tendy even in that aspect:srt:shehzad
 
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Apologies mate. Dravid fans have now resorted to their low level beghairati. He may overall be a far greater cricketer than Yoni butbin tests the picture is far from what these lulloos try to project. Dravid's also failed on many tours. In fact I hardly consider him having made a name in Australia or Southern Afrikaan.
 
And to the 8 year olds invoking Sachin Tendulkar (GOAT) name on this thread wel say what whatever that makes you sleep well but he belongs in the elite group of cricketers and not Dravid, Yoni category. Over and out.
 
And to the 8 year olds invoking Sachin Tendulkar (GOAT) name on this thread wel say what whatever that makes you sleep well but he belongs in the elite group of cricketers and not Dravid, Yoni category. Over and out.

Stop being a coward and face the man head on.
No wonder you are a tenda fan
And I am not an 8 year old, I can give proof of it:
What would you like, statements or hard evidence:ghalib:asadrauf
 
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Needs to be something realistic. I earlier said an average of 45 in all three countries combined would be good enough.

He needs to step up in Oz specifically, the younger batsmen will build off his confidence. Bigger batting names from Pakistan have gone to Oz to unravel spectacularly. If he can bring his grit to oz, the rest of the batting line up will follow him. I will even accept a mediocre performance against England for that.
 
Stats also show that YK has not played in ENG AUS since 2006.Thats 10 years.

Stats also show that since 2007 YK has only played 2 series outside Asia.He failed miserably in one of them.

If Dravid only played in Asia for 9 years striaght he would be avging in 60s.

If Dravid kept playing regularly against Akram and other past greats, i couldn't see that happening. Maybe an average of 40. I understand I am talking about something that is not possible to happen, but, you are in the same boat by stating facts in a way that players do not have control over.
 
one striking similarity in both these players records is their performance in AUS & WI. In AUS Dravid could
avg: 15.3 only when Warne & Mcgrath were playing. Later he broke the schakles and scored heavily against very good bowlers like Lee,Jhonson etc to avg: 48.6 over all there. And after his last series his avg: dropped to 41.64.Similarly with YOUNIS,he avg:ed a mere 6 against Ambrose & Walsh in West Indies.But after that he performed better and brought his avg: up to 23.44 there.So all in all in these 2 countries Dravid was convincingly better.
In Saf (THE other country with ATG bowlers) too Dravid was slightly better because he avg:ed 33+ before that fell to 29.5 in the final series.More over his best perormance was 148 & 81 in the same test that brought India to the brink of victory. Younis best was 111.

Now in ENG & NZL too Dravid seems to be better despite Younis performing brilliantly in these 2 countries combined.

Here a mention of ZIM is needed because from 95-2002 they were a good team when the 2 Flowers,Streak,Campbell etc were playing.A proof of this is that there record vs India was 2-1 in 3 tests from 98-2001.Only in 2005 could India win 2 tests on the trot with Sehwag,Laxman etc joining in and ZIM some what weakened by the 2 Flowers not playing. In this period of 98-01 Dravid was the main run getter for India with 75 avg: .During this period PAK was beating ZIM for fun with Waqar in prime form.Yet Younis avg:ed a mere 34. Only after 2010 that he really started to score hugely in ZIM.

so in swinging conditions Dravid was convincingly better with huge sample size(69 tests to Younis 28),much larger no: of impact scores etc etc.

In SL Younis is way better having played Murali convincingly better with around 57 avg: .Dravid lags behind in overall average too , in SL. Younis played better in India than what Dravid played in PAK.So in the subcontinent Younis was better.

All in all Dravid was a better test batsman because he leads Younis in swinging conditions by larger margin that what Younis leads in the subcontinent.

Another fact is Younis mediocre avg: in one dayers.Only 31+ to Dravid's 39.And Dravid had much longevity too.Now, if we dissects these stats by " vs country wise" and "in country wise" way, the gap widens so alarmingly in favour of Dravid.


So all in all Dravid atleast a level above Younis for me as an over all batsman.
 
one striking similarity in both these players records is their performance in AUS & WI. In AUS Dravid could
avg: 15.3 only when Warne & Mcgrath were playing. Later he broke the schakles and scored heavily against very good bowlers like Lee,Jhonson etc to avg: 48.6 over all there. And after his last series his avg: dropped to 41.64.Similarly with YOUNIS,he avg:ed a mere 6 against Ambrose & Walsh in West Indies.But after that he performed better and brought his avg: up to 23.44 there.So all in all in these 2 countries Dravid was convincingly better.
In Saf (THE other country with ATG bowlers) too Dravid was slightly better because he avg:ed 33+ before that fell to 29.5 in the final series.More over his best perormance was 148 & 81 in the same test that brought India to the brink of victory. Younis best was 111.

Now in ENG & NZL too Dravid seems to be better despite Younis performing brilliantly in these 2 countries combined.

Here a mention of ZIM is needed because from 95-2002 they were a good team when the 2 Flowers,Streak,Campbell etc were playing.A proof of this is that there record vs India was 2-1 in 3 tests from 98-2001.Only in 2005 could India win 2 tests on the trot with Sehwag,Laxman etc joining in and ZIM some what weakened by the 2 Flowers not playing. In this period of 98-01 Dravid was the main run getter for India with 75 avg: .During this period PAK was beating ZIM for fun with Waqar in prime form.Yet Younis avg:ed a mere 34. Only after 2010 that he really started to score hugely in ZIM.

so in swinging conditions Dravid was convincingly better with huge sample size(69 tests to Younis 28),much larger no: of impact scores etc etc.

In SL Younis is way better having played Murali convincingly better with around 57 avg: .Dravid lags behind in overall average too , in SL. Younis played better in India than what Dravid played in PAK.So in the subcontinent Younis was better.

All in all Dravid was a better test batsman because he leads Younis in swinging conditions by larger margin that what Younis leads in the subcontinent.

Another fact is Younis mediocre avg: in one dayers.Only 31+ to Dravid's 39.And Dravid had much longevity too.Now, if we dissects these stats by " vs country wise" and "in country wise" way, the gap widens so alarmingly in favour of Dravid.


So all in all Dravid atleast a level above Younis for me as an over all batsman.


I think this is probably the only good post in the entire thread. Both are basically overrated when compared to the big league.
 
Even an over the hill dravid beasted England in england, this coming tour of australia and england will show if younis is worthy of comparison with dravid
 
Dravid was my favorite batsman too back in the day. That impeccable defense with that Britannia bat. :ravi

Just coz he was your favourite player does not mean he is better than YK. I would going by stats YK is slightly ahead.
 
Have your say on who's the better batsman but I don't think anyone can dispute the fact that YK is the BEST 4th innings batsman. He's a monster when it comes to 4th innings, and that alone should make him an ATG, if he isn't already (well, hyperbole, but you get the point).
 
In other threads though, Rahiul Dravid is supposed to be the best Indian batsman ever so if this argument goes in YK's favour would those folks who claim Dravid to be the best Indian batsman ever also claim Younis to be better than Tendulkar and Gavaskar as well. Here lies one of PP's dirtiest propagandas.
 
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