Younis Khan vs Sachin Tendulkar in Tests

[Adijazz1706]

OP managed to trigger [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] which may well have been the agenda ) Anyway, has only 1 inns in the top 100 by Wisden and that too at #100 and in a loaing cause. Why is that?

 

[Hitman]

OP managed to trigger [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] which may well have been the agenda ) Anyway, has only 1 inns in the top 100 by Wisden and that too at #100 and in a loaing cause. Why is that?

The same WISDEN rated him the 2nd greatest Test batsman after Bradman, and the 2nd greatest ODI batsman after Viv, in 2002

 

[Adijazz1706]

The same WISDEN rated him the 2nd greatest Test batsman after Bradman, and the 2nd greatest ODI batsman after Viv, in 2002

Sachin upto 2002 vs Sachin 2002 - retirement stats should be interesting. Any idea on how to get them?

 

[Ab Fan]

Amla vs Younis.

Can Amla play an inning at 34 which YK played at 38 in England?

 

[Hitman]

Amla vs Younis.

Can Amla play an inning at 34 which YK played at 38 in England?

Amla has the spine of a jelly. Younis was 10X mentally stronger.

 

[Ab Fan]

Amla has the spine of a jelly. Younis was 10X mentally stronger.

I agree with second line. Why do you feel like Amla has the spine of jelly? He has been a standout performer in series wins in 2010 India, 2012 England and 2012 Australia.

 

[Ab Fan]

#India was draw.

 

[Adijazz1706]

The same WISDEN rated him the 2nd greatest Test batsman after Bradman, and the 2nd greatest ODI batsman after Viv, in 2002

Tests.

Sachin avged 57.xx till start of 2003, 49.xx thereafter in Tests. No change in ODIs (44 vs 45)

Tennis elbow was around 03 right?

 

[AMSS]

This is a puzzler, a real tough one. LOL!

 

[Rahul1]

OP managed to trigger [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] which may well have been the agenda ) Anyway, has only 1 inns in the top 100 by Wisden and that too at #100 and in a loaing cause. Why is that?

By that same logic wasim and waqar are utter trash bowlers since they have a grand total of number of performances in the top 100.

 

[backfootpunch]

No he was a world class cricketer every team would love to have him. But over Bradman Sobers, Kallis, Sanaga, Haymmond etc no definitely not.

You gotta be kidding me! You seriously believe Kallis and Sanga are better than YK.

I was a big YK fan in his playing days and will have a soft spot for him because he debuted in the same year I started watching the game (when I was 9) but he was by no means in the same tier as him let alone superior.

 

[DRsohail]

yonusn any day of the week.What next/..

 

[DRsohail]

yonus was a match winner.Had PCB arranged more test matches he would have broken many records as he played foe 20 good years.

 

[Monsee]

This guy seriously thinks Younis khan is better than Sachin. Wow.

'Comprehension 101', go look up the course and take it ASAP!

Probably a lost cause to explain to you what was my point anyway

 

[BreadPakoda]

yonus was a match winner.Had PCB arranged more test matches he would have broken many records as he played foe 20 good years.

Yes, lost out on easy games in Aus, SA and England. Remember reading Glen McGrath’s autobiography where he mentioned he kept a “mannat” that he doesn’t face Myk which god fulfilled.

 

[R3verse Swing]

OP managed to trigger [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] which may well have been the agenda ) Anyway, has only 1 inns in the top 100 by Wisden and that too at #100 and in a loaing cause. Why is that?

Correction. SRT has ZERO centuries in the Top 100 Wisden Test Century list

http://in.rediff.com/cricket/2001/jul/30bat100.htm

Controversy

Despite his highly impressive career record, not one of Sachin Tendulkar's innings appeared in the top 100 batting performances. His omission was strongly criticised by fans and many sections of the media in India.[3] Wisden defended the list stating that performances which majorly contributed to victories received a much larger weighting than those in which the match was drawn or lost. Tendulkar's most important innings had usually come in draws and defeats which received a lower weighting.[4]

The list also received general criticism from a few leading sports editors.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisden_100

 

[BreadPakoda]

Harbhajan is there four times in the Wisden list. Highest for any bowler. Wow, that guy is criminally underrated. Best bowler from Asia when it comes to iconic performances?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Harbhajan is there four times in the Wisden list. Highest for any bowler. Wow, that guy is criminally underrated. Best bowler from Asia when it comes to iconic performances?

I was more surprised with Azhar Mahmood at #8 in the top 10 Test innings of all time!

 

[Chrish]

I am glad YK hung his boots on time and did justice to his reputation. Pak cricket hasn’t been the same after loosing two 50+ old players.

 

[Gubol123]

Correction. SRT has ZERO centuries in the Top 100 Wisden Test Century list

http://in.rediff.com/cricket/2001/jul/30bat100.htm

Controversy



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisden_100

really? do you want to quote a list which does not contain a single instance of top bowling from either of Ws in top 100? these are random lists created by a sports magzine.. performance in the England, against England tend to get higher rating.... i don't trust any list which doesn't contain a single top bowling instance by Ws in top freaking 100. you shouldn't too

 

[Monsee]

Indian fans, known for their witty responses e.g. when they wittingly reply every time someone says 'Who is Tendu' or who cares about Tednu etc. now in full force here doing their best to appear to be joking just to hide the anger lol

 

[Protea Fan]

Younis is an inferior test players to so many of his coevals like KP,ABD and to an extend cook,clarke and amla,so let alone sachin here

 

[backfootpunch]

really? do you want to quote a list which does not contain a single instance of top bowling from either of Ws in top 100? these are random lists created by a sports magzine.. performance in the England, against England tend to get higher rating.... i don't trust any list which doesn't contain a single top bowling instance by Ws in top freaking 100. you shouldn't too

They did have ATG bowling spells in their career that would rank among the best (at least one for each) so I would like to see this list.

But you correctly mention in re: recognition in Eng and Aus

 

[R3verse Swing]

really? do you want to quote a list which does not contain a single instance of top bowling from either of Ws in top 100? these are random lists created by a sports magzine.. performance in the England, against England tend to get higher rating.... i don't trust any list which doesn't contain a single top bowling instance by Ws in top freaking 100. you shouldn't too

I was just correcting a poster who thought the top 100 Test innings included a SRT inning.

One thing I should point out, NO ONE considered the 2 Ws, Gods. This is the difference. So even if 2 Ws were not in any list, it would not hurt one iota! Whereas Sachinistas, you only have to read the controversy section in the link I cited!

 

[Ted123]

Tendulkar by a mile

 

[ManFan]

This is one of the funniest threads I’ve seen in quite some time.

Props to the OP for ruffling a few feathers.

 

[Mueez]

This is one of the funniest threads I’ve seen in quite some time.

Props to the OP for ruffling a few feathers.

This thread wasn't meant to irritate my fellow PPers, because I just expressed my views and you can agree or disagree with it as I have already said.
But some PPers couldn't 'digest' my opinion and they started with trolling rather than expressing their point of view with a valid reason...

 

[Hasan123]

Tendulkar obviously. Thread was obviously a troll one and aimed at starting another Pakistan vs India argument on PP. OP has gotten his wish. I hope he is happy.

 

[backfootpunch]

Tendulkar obviously. Thread was obviously a troll one and aimed at starting another Pakistan vs India argument on PP. OP has gotten his wish. I hope he is happy.

Funny thing is there were a few who actually believed YK was better than Tendulkar probably because they don't recognise sarcasm and trolls. One of them followed it up by saying Kallis and Sanga > SRT.

 

[Sadevdesai]

Why must we always compare 2 Great players of our time ?????? They were both VG Players and did well for their country !!!!! There is now way to say that one of them was better than the other ..... because if we do ..... all sorts of counter arguments would sure to follow with no end in sight !!!!!!!! Useless topic ..... in my opinion.

 

[Rahul1]

Indian fans, known for their witty responses e.g. when they wittingly reply every time someone says 'Who is Tendu' or who cares about Tednu etc. now in full force here doing their best to appear to be joking just to hide the anger lol

One can see the pain behind the 'lol' from 100 miles away.

Don't worry, no Indian here is angry, we are happy that Sachin is giving you a chance to say 'lol' on the internet.

 

[CricFan2012]

I will never understand this dumb logic by some to rate Tendu lower just because he does not have as many match winning innings.

How about you go ahead and bat with the whole nation waiting on your success and depending on you to deliver while more than half of your team consists of duds.

Lots of other great batsmen like Lara, Ponting, Younis had excellent bowling in their team to back them up while Tendulkar didn't. It wasn't in his control.

 

[Send1983]

Indian fans, known for their witty responses e.g. when they wittingly reply every time someone says 'Who is Tendu' or who cares about Tednu etc. now in full force here doing their best to appear to be joking just to hide the anger lol

Make up your...do you agree with OP or not? You were giving all the justification why Younis is better than Sachin. When I pointed out, you questioned my comprehending skill.

What’s your point here.. you want us to agree with OP or disagree?

You seem to be upset with the way Indians reacted in this thread.

 

[Titan24]

Funny thing is there were a few who actually believed YK was better than Tendulkar probably because they don't recognise sarcasm and trolls. One of them followed it up by saying Kallis and Sanga > SRT.

Ok show the stats of Sanga and Tendulkar to someone and ask them who is better

Sanga has an avg of 57, 12,400 runs in only 134 matches, while Tendulkar played 200 matches at an avg of 53 and scored 15,921 runs.

Taking into account the 64 matches Tendulkar played more than Sanga he scored only 3521 runs more than him. Lol!

Please tell me why is Tendulkar better than Sanga in tests? Its a genuine question.

Coming to Kallis he swipes the floor with Tedulkar in tests, Kallis had a batting avg of 55 and scored 13,289 runs and bowling average of 32 with 292 wickets.

Again why would anybody will have Tendulkar over Kallis in his team? Like really WHY?

 

[Bubby]

Ok show the stats of Sanga and Tendulkar to someone and ask them who is better

Sanga has an avg of 57, 12,400 runs in only 134 matches, while Tendulkar played 200 matches at an avg of 53 and scored 15,921 runs.

Taking into account the 64 matches Tendulkar played more than Sanga he scored only 3521 runs more than him. Lol!

Please tell me why is Tendulkar better than Sanga in tests? Its a genuine question.

Coming to Kallis he swipes the floor with Tedulkar in tests, Kallis had a batting avg of 55 and scored 13,289 runs and bowling average of 32 with 292 wickets.

Again why would anybody will have Tendulkar over Kallis in his team? Like really WHY?

Coz Tendulkar the batsmen faced a lot of atg bowlers, from the likes of Marshall, Imran, hadlee Botham to current generation of Starc.

 

[soso_killer]

Sachin is a certified bottler, but come on. There's no comparison here.

YK belongs with the likes of KP, Cook, Sanga and Clarke. I rate him comfortably above those guys, he was a clutch player imo.

Leave Tendulkar to me.

 

[Abhilash93]

Ok show the stats of Sanga and Tendulkar to someone and ask them who is better

Sanga has an avg of 57, 12,400 runs in only 134 matches, while Tendulkar played 200 matches at an avg of 53 and scored 15,921 runs.

Taking into account the 64 matches Tendulkar played more than Sanga he scored only 3521 runs more than him. Lol!

Please tell me why is Tendulkar better than Sanga in tests? Its a genuine question.

Coming to Kallis he swipes the floor with Tedulkar in tests, Kallis had a batting avg of 55 and scored 13,289 runs and bowling average of 32 with 292 wickets.

Again why would anybody will have Tendulkar over Kallis in his team? Like really WHY?

Thats why we have former players as selectors who actually watch players in tournaments before selecting them. If stats were the only thing, then we could have very well left that job to computers.

Coming to Sanga and Kallis, as great batsmen as they were, they both average below 40 in 3 countries (despite Sanga not facing some ATG bowlers from the 90s). On the other hand, despite playing for so long, Tendulkar averages below 40 in ZERO countries. So, he was a better all-conditions player.

 

[backfootpunch]

Ok show the stats of Sanga and Tendulkar to someone and ask them who is better

Sanga has an avg of 57, 12,400 runs in only 134 matches, while Tendulkar played 200 matches at an avg of 53 and scored 15,921 runs.

Taking into account the 64 matches Tendulkar played more than Sanga he scored only 3521 runs more than him. Lol!

Please tell me why is Tendulkar better than Sanga in tests? Its a genuine question.

Coming to Kallis he swipes the floor with Tedulkar in tests, Kallis had a batting avg of 55 and scored 13,289 runs and bowling average of 32 with 292 wickets.

Again why would anybody will have Tendulkar over Kallis in his team? Like really WHY?

Look at the eras Tendulkar played - his career spanned over 2 decades across multiple eras including the 90s where the bowling standards were at their all time peak, which is why it is no surprise batsmen during this decade had the lowest average since the 1930s (around 37). Tendulkar managed to average 63 between 93 -03. I would take those 10 years over Sanga's career average because he was so far ahead of his peers during this period. As mentioned by another poster the bowlers of the 90s he faced were ATGs and and many of these during the 2000s were over the hill or past their peak least to say.

Sangakkara debuted in 2000 cashed in on easy runs in the 2010s when there was a further sharp drop in bowling standards and a far greater abundance of flatter wickets. Also compare Sangakkara's averages country by country and you'll see the gulf in class is actually pretty big.

Kallis is one of the best all rounders the game has ever seen but we're comparing batting abilities. Also I would still pick Tendulkar the player because he a far superior batsman - Kallis' runs didn't have the same impact, he couldn't take the game away from the opposition as he was a lot slower with the manner he played. Also although Kallis' bowling was handy - remember he was a 5th bowling option not one of the strike bowlers.

 

[WildSwing]

Ok show the stats of Sanga and Tendulkar to someone and ask them who is better

Sanga has an avg of 57, 12,400 runs in only 134 matches, while Tendulkar played 200 matches at an avg of 53 and scored 15,921 runs.

Taking into account the 64 matches Tendulkar played more than Sanga he scored only 3521 runs more than him. Lol!

Please tell me why is Tendulkar better than Sanga in tests? Its a genuine question.

Coming to Kallis he swipes the floor with Tedulkar in tests, Kallis had a batting avg of 55 and scored 13,289 runs and bowling average of 32 with 292 wickets.

Again why would anybody will have Tendulkar over Kallis in his team? Like really WHY?

Do you know tendulkar's average after 177 tests was more than 57? I mean the difference is so big that people should not have to tell you why tendulkar is better but even in terms of pure stats tendulkar pwns sanga

 

[R3verse Swing]

Coz Tendulkar the batsmen faced a lot of atg bowlers, from the likes of Marshall, Imran, hadlee Botham to current generation of Starc.

Oh please! Marshall and Khan? How many deliveries considering the 2 retired when SRT had just started his career.

Marshal in 1991, and Khan in 1992. Hadlee and Botham? Pure jokes.

You talk as if SRT faced the bowlers in their prime.

 

[Hitman]

Oh please! Marshall and Khan? How many deliveries considering the 2 retired when SRT had just started his career.

Marshal in 1991, and Khan in 1992. Hadlee and Botham? Pure jokes.

You talk as if SRT faced the bowlers in their prime.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Wow. Who claimed SRT did NOT face the bowlers? My point was facing said bowlers in the twilight of their careers is nothing compared to playing said bowlers at the height of their careers.

It's called scraping the bottom of the barrel just to bolster the hype.

You may as well claim SRT is Pakistani since he debuted playing for Pakistan instead of India at this rate!

 

[Hitman]

In Tests, Hadlee took 35 wickets at an average of 23.20 at SR 48.1 during his last year i.e 1990. In ODI's, Hadlee averaged 24.88 at SR 40.2 during his last year i.e 1990.

Not every player declines during their last years. McGrath and Warne being prime examples. It's like saying scoring against McGrath in the 2007 WC was no big deal since he was almost 38 and that was his last International tournament. He was the MOS at that WC.

 

[ftbno1]

Off course YK is much better than Sachin. He is epitome of greatness and dominance. I remember like it's yesterday YK used to come out to bat the bowler around the world used to shiver in trepidation. He faced and overcame the greatest bowlers the world had seen and overcame them like anything. Further he is more handsome than Sachin and has bigger heart(that goes without saying).
YK for PM!!

 

[Adijazz1706]

In Tests, Hadlee took 35 wickets at an average of 23.20 at SR 48.1 during his last year i.e 1990. In ODI's, Hadlee averaged 24.88 at SR 40.2 during his last year i.e 1990.

Not every player declines during their last years. McGrath and Warne being prime examples. It's like saying scoring against McGrath in the 2007 WC was no big deal since he was almost 38 and that was his last International tournament. He was the MOS at that WC.

It would be better if we look at the stats when srt faced Marshall IK Hadlee etc instead of just saying he faced them. Unfortunately I have no idea how to get those stats

 

[Bubby]

Besides what Tendulkar did at Perth in 1991 and Manchester in 1991 was remarkable

 

[Hitman]

A slight trivia. Outside of Asia (minus Zimbabwe), Sangakkara averages 44 while Sachin averages 51.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I mean I like Sachin, but come on.

Who in their right mind would choose Tendulkar over YK?

 

[soso_killer]

A slight trivia. Outside of Asia (minus Zimbabwe), Sangakkara averages 44 while Sachin averages 51.

Who's comparing Tendulkar to Sangakkara? The guy might as well not have played cricket imo, brought no value to the game.

Whilst being a bottler, SRT was finally able to bring his best in SA in 2011 against a rampaging Steyn. That counts in my book. A bottler yes, but only I get to call him that and rate him at the same time.

 

[Send1983]

Look at the eras Tendulkar played - his career spanned over 2 decades across multiple eras including the 90s where the bowling standards were at their all time peak, which is why it is no surprise batsmen during this decade had the lowest average since the 1930s (around 37). Tendulkar managed to average 63 between 93 -03. I would take those 10 years over Sanga's career average because he was so far ahead of his peers during this period. As mentioned by another poster the bowlers of the 90s he faced were ATGs and and many of these during the 2000s were over the hill or past their peak least to say.

Sangakkara debuted in 2000 cashed in on easy runs in the 2010s when there was a further sharp drop in bowling standards and a far greater abundance of flatter wickets. Also compare Sangakkara's averages country by country and you'll see the gulf in class is actually pretty big.

Kallis is one of the best all rounders the game has ever seen but we're comparing batting abilities. Also I would still pick Tendulkar the player because he a far superior batsman - Kallis' runs didn't have the same impact, he couldn't take the game away from the opposition as he was a lot slower with the manner he played. Also although Kallis' bowling was handy - remember he was a 5th bowling option not one of the strike bowlers.

good response. hope the young guy who asked this naïve question learned something about cricket in 90s and Sachin.

 

[Monsee]

Make up your...do you agree with OP or not? You were giving all the justification why Younis is better than Sachin. When I pointed out, you questioned my comprehending skill.

What’s your point here.. you want us to agree with OP or disagree?

You seem to be upset with the way Indians reacted in this thread.

Read through my posts a couple of times and see what I was pointing to i.e. I not once said Tendu was inferior to YK...I rather took the position that YK did win the battle if only stats between India and Pak for the two were looked at!

Problem with folks like you is, if someone takes an opposing position, you guys cannot digest it even if there is good enough reason for that argument. He is god to you guys, not to everyone else; so, we can criticize him or have our own opinion about him which can be quite different from yours. You don't like it, tough!

 

[Monsee]

[MENTION=81]Monsee[/MENTION] [MENTION=145503]mozi2003[/MENTION]

Ajit agarkar batting average at Lord's - 111.00

Javed miandad batting average at Lord's - 12.60

Touche my friend...you Tendulkar did this in all his innings at Lords as well, chee chee:

scores at Lords of 10 27 31 16 12 37 16 34 and 12 – 195 at 21.67

 

[Send1983]

Read through my posts a couple of times and see what I was pointing to i.e. I not once said Tendu was inferior to YK...I rather took the position that YK did win the battle if only stats between India and Pak for the two were looked at!

Problem with folks like you is, if someone takes an opposing position, you guys cannot digest it even if there is good enough reason for that argument. He is god to you guys, not to everyone else; so, we can criticize him or have our own opinion about him which can be quite different from yours. You don't like it, tough!

Anyway I didn’t get the direct answer. That’s fine. I expected it. Very predictable though.

Nobody here getting upset with OP. In fact only one of pak fans got upset, told OP to not embarrass fellow pak fans. We were only pointing out the silliness of OP. Don’t expect people to take you seriously when you compare ATG and arguably GOAT to someone who at best can be considered as Pak great.

 

[Abdul]

Younis > Bradman + Tendulkar.

 

[R3verse Swing]

I am loving how Test stats matter to WC apologists now.