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A bit strange that someone can be so stupid at 25-26.As far as I can tell, she's 35 right now. That means in 2014, she would be 25-26.
But even if Zainab was 19, this is a horrible look.
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A bit strange that someone can be so stupid at 25-26.As far as I can tell, she's 35 right now. That means in 2014, she would be 25-26.
But even if Zainab was 19, this is a horrible look.
She can do that but all I am saying is that in our part of the world, they will not forgive her.
But it seems she isn't going to apologise, rather she will be defiant.
If I am not wrong this is the guy who said to Gambhir on a tv show that Kohli is afraid of playing against Pak after CT17. When Kohli wasn't playing in Asia cup 2018.So the tweets were planted?
What is this!
Not one Journalist from Pakistan has condemned this. Rather many have defended her.
Who is this guy?
I cannot believe that some people are actually trying to defend the comments.The big difference between anything that Zainab has said and whatever Gambhir has said in the past is that I don't remember Gambhir EVER targeting Islam let alone the Prophet PBUH or Allah.
Zainab has outright made a disgusting comment against a revered Indian Goddess. That is blasphemy.
I hope she comes out and apologises but she can definitely kiss her career goodbye. What a fall from grace.
How anyone can defend such behaviour is beyond me.Zainab obviously has friends in the media and cricketing fraternity and they’ve all stayed silent so far and haven’t given her any public support because no one would want to be dragged into this. Defending her at this point would mean you indirectly support the Kim for stuff she allegedly support.
Trolling is one thing but to directly hurl derogatory remarks against diety of a religion is beghairati and besharmi of the highest order.
And that tells you a lot about those people doesn't it.Most of Pakistani media are defending those tweets .
How anyone can defend such behaviour is beyond me.
Only an idiot would try to defend such comments.
I’ll tell you it’s not considered bigotry because as Muslims we are taught that it’s our duty to smash idols and condemn idol worshipping. So of course ridiculing them is part of the deal. I know there is greater sensitivity around other religions, perhaps, these days but when I was in school, we were taught to idolize and revere those who destroyed idols in the name of Islam.
These days the translation of the Quran and Hadith and sunnah is easily accessible thanks to the internet so we know that insulting any religion is a big no no in Islam. But it’s a culture change and shift, nonetheless and it comes with time.
I’ll tell you though that the same people who will say such things about Indians, will probably not hold the same views about Pakistani Hindus because of the overall hated between the two countries.
Can you really blame us for this though when such people exist on your side as well?
maybe you can ask yourself that question too. You have a history of defending anything and everything your government and board does against Pakistan and sometimes even your own countrymen who are Muslims. If you can ponder over that and answer why all the ethics, logic, sensitivty flies out the window when it comes to that, perhaps you will be able to see why.
Somthings cannot be hidden behind poor knowledge of Islam or whatever, there is common decency and humanity and sensitivity bhai.She's a liberal Muslim and these types have zero knowledge of Islam.
Allah explicitly forbids Muslims from cursing the false gods of idol-worshippers so if this woman, who doesn't wear the hijab, took it upon herself to curse those held in reverence by Hindus, she is rightfully being panned.
That said, I haven't seen the tweets so if she is innocent then I apologize. The BJP and extremist Hindus have a habit of lying.
Also, I hope that BJP spokeswoman who insulted the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is still being condemned, by Indians of all faiths.
She's a liberal Muslim and these types have zero knowledge of Islam.
Allah explicitly forbids Muslims from cursing the false gods of idol-worshippers so if this woman, who doesn't wear the hijab, took it upon herself to curse those held in reverence by Hindus, she is rightfully being panned.
That said, I haven't seen the tweets so if she is innocent then I apologize. The BJP and extremist Hindus have a habit of lying.
Also, I hope that BJP spokeswoman who insulted the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is still being condemned, by Indians of all faiths.
Her ignorance as a liberal Muslim and liberal Pakistani is why she made these comments.and if that does not help explain it, think why
Somthings cannot be hidden behind poor knowledge of Islam or whatever, there is common decency and humanity and sensitivity bhai.
i am a liberal and even I know what Islam says about respecting other people's religion and insulting their beliefs. Let us not hide behind that. Even if you are not that well educated about Islam, this sort of thing should come from education and overall sensitivity training.
I grew up in Pakistan and most cleaning women and low wage labor class is Christian there. I dont think anybody from our family ever say anything derogatory about Christianity and their beliefs in our dealings with them.
The point I am trying to make and in case none of us have been able to clearly see, this goes double for our indian friends here: is that cross border hatred runs deep. we are quick to hate and dismiss anything belonging to the other side. which is why everytime a hindu indian wants to really throw a muslim indian under the bus, Pakistan is dragged into the discussion "pakistan chaley jao, ye ker lo wo ker lo" etc. the seeds of this hatred have been sown for close to 3/4 of a century now and the roots have gone deep. everything seems to be kosher when attacking each other and justifying such attacks.
hope that makes my earlier and previous statements clear.
What did she say ?How anyone can defend such behaviour is beyond me.
Only an idiot would try to defend such comments.
Thank you for saying this. This is exactly what I have been trying to convey to people.I don't know what's worse, the tweets or the people trying to defend her.
Both are appalling.
Allah also forbids negative assumptions, backbiting, and slandering, and you labeling Zainab as a liberal Muslim falls into one or two of those.She's a liberal Muslim and these types have zero knowledge of Islam.
Allah explicitly forbids Muslims from cursing the false gods of idol-worshippers so if this woman, who doesn't wear the hijab, took it upon herself to curse those held in reverence by Hindus, she is rightfully being panned.
That said, I haven't seen the tweets so if she is innocent then I apologize. The BJP and extremist Hindus have a habit of lying.
Also, I hope that BJP spokeswoman who insulted the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is still being condemned, by Indians of all faiths.
She's a liberal Muslim and these types have zero knowledge of Islam.
Allah explicitly forbids Muslims from cursing the false gods of idol-worshippers so if this woman, who doesn't wear the hijab, took it upon herself to curse those held in reverence by Hindus, she is rightfully being panned.
That said, I haven't seen the tweets so if she is innocent then I apologize. The BJP and extremist Hindus have a habit of lying.
Also, I hope that BJP spokeswoman who insulted the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is still being condemned, by Indians of all faiths.
Her ignorance as a liberal Muslim and liberal Pakistani is why she made these comments.
He is not wrong. Such is the culture of the Sub-Continent that people are extremely religious and need to prove their religious faith through destroying others holy idols or burning holy books.
I think people aren't getting the fundamental issue. I think it's perfectly OK to be publicly critical of ANY religion .He is not wrong. Such is the culture of the Sub-Continent that people are extremely religious and need to prove their religious faith through destroying others holy idols or burning holy books.
However, in my personal experience of both India and Pakistan as well as expat communities of both nations, such individuals are in the minority.
I definitely was never taught this in school or ever saw it being encouraged to disrespect others Gods. Neither does Islam teach us this. I acknowledge that there are Islamic stories of idols being destroyed but this was when they were wrongfully placed in mosques and Islamic holy sites.
For instance, I don’t necessarily have a problem with a Hindu temple being reclaimed if a mosque was forcibly built on top of it. Of course, this should be done in a peaceful manner where possible and not in the way the Babri masjid fiasco occurred.
I disagree. It is not perfectly OK to be publicly critical of any religion. If the Law of a country forbids it, as it does against Islam in Pakistan, it is not OK. The Law of a country is enacted in a Parliament and represents the viewpoint of the electorate. As such, it is NOT OK. If there is no such law in India, then I suppose it would be OK to do so in India but I would avoid to publicly criticise a mainstream religion anyway.I think people aren't getting the fundamental issue. I think it's perfectly OK to be publicly critical of ANY religion .
That is part and parcel of freedom of speech . I don't think Zainab or anybody should be punished in any manner for such views.
If Zainab thinks Hinduism is irrational or regressive , she is perfectly entitled to voice it.
//ly, Anybody can call out the Prophet/Christianity and it should be perfectly OK. Others simply have to live with it.
The issue with her comments is the not so subtle supremacist/racist mindset where she clearly thinks that people who have a set of beliefs(irrational in her opinion) are "untermenschen" of some kind . 25 is too old to have such beliefs and to be publicly portraying them .
That's the crux of the matter and that's what people seem to be defending.
Yeah. Let's agree to disagree here. Mocking of a religion itself is fine. Demeaning people who practice a belief system is absolutely not.I disagree. It is not perfectly OK to be publicly critical of any religion. If the Law of a country forbids it, as it does against Islam in Pakistan, it is not OK. The Law of a country is enacted in a Parliament and represents the viewpoint of the electorate. As such, it is NOT OK. If there is no such law in India, then I suppose it would be OK to do so in India but I would avoid to publicly criticise a mainstream religion anyway.
Having said that, I agree that her comments were not merely critical but also insulting and mocking. I think she may have done this in the heat of the moment but that is no excuse. Having said that, if she apologises and has grown as a person, and is able to actually show that she has, she should be forgiven.
Every saint has a past, every sinner has a future.
Disrespecting someone's belief system is wrong. I personally don't care about religion, and I believe it is unnecessary. But if I become intolerant, that is when the problem arises.Yeah. Let's agree to disagree here. Mocking of a religion itself is fine. Demeaning people who practice a belief system is absolutely not.
I get where you are coming from though so fair enough
He wouldn't have been able to land in PakistanA friend of mine who is Indian said this to me and he makes a fair point:
"If an Indian journalist had said something disgusting about Islam and had the nerve to go to Pakistan, I would expect that journalist to be thrown out of Pakistan straight away."
My guess.Zainab saying something about Hindu gods and Zainab being forced to leave India are two different subjects. The former is not ok whether you're liberal or conservative, but the latter is yet another addition to the list of humiliations India keeps adding to our bucket, without any tangible reaction. When it comes to one of their addictions (like cricket) or personal profit, Pakistanis suddenly become some of the most pragmatic creatures on the planet. But when it comes to the delusion of Muslim nationalism on the state level, Pakistan exhibit their usual hypocrisy where they vehemently oppose trade relations with Israel, while being one of the top countries on Israeli platforms like Fiverr or platforms by Jews such as Facebook.
India is doing quite fine without Pakistani womenI hope she is safe out of the country now. India is no place for a Pakistani woman.
A friend of mine who is Indian said this to me and he makes a fair point:
"If an Indian journalist had said something disgusting about Islam and had the nerve to go to Pakistan, I would expect that journalist to be thrown out of Pakistan straight away."
If you say the sort of stuff she has, then you are only creating trouble for yourself.I hope she is safe out of the country now. India is no place for a Pakistani woman.
I don't know what's worse, the tweets or the people trying to defend her.
Both are appalling.
Zainab silence on this issue is enough to understand that those were her tweetsSo are we now saying those tweets were indeed tweeted by her, from her actual account? My understanding was, these were still allegations and no investigation has been conducted or concluded to validate those allegations.
I feel like her silence suggests that she is trying to imply that these are not her tweets. No need to apologise for something you didn’t do perhaps?Zainab silence on this issue is enough to understand that those were her tweets
That could be possible but you can’t say that with certainty. The other possibility is, she’s been advised by her management to not comment anything for now, wait for investigations etc to take place or right time to put out statement.Zainab silence on this issue is enough to understand that those were her tweets
Those were from actual Twitter account as she changed her username which we have already seen from her mother reply.I feel like her silence suggests that she is trying to imply that these are not her tweets. No need to apologise for something you didn’t do perhaps?
I’m just speculating. The screenshots could be doctored since they are not from her actual twitter.
Yes but that doesn't mean they can't be doctored. Very easy to make a fake tweet with any username. I can make it too.Those were from actual Twitter account as she changed her username which we have already seen from her mother reply.
Don't you think if those were doctored tweets she should would have already talk about becouse her entire career on the line now .his silence is proved that those were her tweets nothing else .Yes but that doesn't mean they can't be doctored. Very easy to make a fake tweet with any username. I can make it too.
Even Ollie Robinson had tweeted islamophobic tweets in 2013 but was penalised for it. Things wouldn't have escalated if she had immediately apologized and expressed regret which she hasn't done till now. Imagine if a non-muslim had made these tweets about islamic figures would he/she be forgiven because they were 9 years ago?Can't condone those tweets, but it's a loss for advancement of women in Pakistan. Also not a good look for Indian cricket as those tweets were from 9 years ago and it seems churlish to hold onto grudges this long.
being a liberal has nothing to do here.
naa the funny thing is, the people who cry about liberalism live overseas and enjoy liberal policies and lifeFunny thing is that liberalism doesn’t exist in Pakistan.
She's admitted she did them.So are we now saying those tweets were indeed tweeted by her, from her actual account? My understanding was, these were still allegations and no investigation has been conducted or concluded to validate those allegations.
naa the funny thing is, the people who cry about liberalism live overseas and enjoy liberal policies and life
Zainab Abbas officially apologizes for her past tweets and for the hurt she has caused. It's good that she has done so, but perhaps she should have sent this out a day or two ago
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Now zainab apology post come and she clearly said no one told her to leave . What about your claim sir ,?Sure, please reply to this post again when ICC confirm they told her to return or sacked her.
So the intimidation was the FIR? Not the alleged death threats that one poster alleged was sent to her?Transcript of the Weekly Media Briefing by Spokesperson Thursday 12 October 2023
Question: Can you please comment on the issue of Zainab Abbas, who went to India from Pakistan to cover the World Cup and was forced by Indian authorities to leave the country?
Secondly, Pakistan’s Cricket Team is also facing security issues in India. The Chairman of PCB also discussed security risk issues.
Yesterday, the standing committee of the Senate for Foreign Affairs passed a resolution of condemnation and demanded that the Pakistan Cricket Team should be called back to Pakistan immediately. How do you comment? (Ghazala Noreen, Suno Tv)
Supplementary Question: There is a match between Pakistan and India on Saturday, and as Ms. Ghazala said, the PCB Chairman met the Foreign Secretary, and the Indian High Commission has also contacted some journalists.
Has the issue of the non-issuance of visas been taken up? Or is it in your notice that Pakistani journalists and spectators have been issued visas? (Naveed Siddiqui, Dateline Islamabad)
Answer: As I have said in the past. We believe that India as the host of the World Cup has the responsibility to provide seamless security for Pakistan’s cricket team and our officials who are in India for the World Cup.
We also believe that it is their responsibility to offer a conducive environment for all cricketing teams including the Pakistan cricket team and other individuals who are visiting India in connection with this tournament.
Regrettably, Pakistani sports presenter Ms. Zainab was intimidated through the registration of an FIR against her on the basis of some attributed tweets made several years ago.
Such developments reflect the growing level of intolerance in Indian society and set a wrong precedent in the ICC sports tournaments.
With regards to visas, Pakistan has remained in contact with the Indian authorities and we have impressed on them to issue visas to all Pakistani journalists who have been accredited by the ICC and to Pakistani spectators who are in possession of valid tickets for these cricket matches.
We hope that India will fulfil its responsibilities as the host nation.
That’s a very ordinary apology to be honest. More like screw you guys. I don’t need you.
It’s ok.
Wishing her the best in work elsewhere.
That’s a very ordinary apology to be honest. More like screw you guys. I don’t need you.
It’s ok.
Wishing her the best in work elsewhere.
Now zainab apology post come and she clearly said no one told her to leave . What about your claim sir ,?
I was thinking same.HE would say that she was forced to say this because her life was in danger.
Her apology tweet suggests otherwise. On the 2nd half of your sentence, how about Salman Rushdie getting stabbed 34 years laterAlso not a good look for Indian cricket as those tweets were from 9 years ago and it seems churlish to hold onto grudges this long.
Seems that she probably hoped nobody would find and dig out the tweets.Yes but that doesn't mean they can't be doctored. Very easy to make a fake tweet with any username. I can make it too.
She's admitted she did them.
What else do you want!
Her apology tweet suggests otherwise. On the 2nd half of your sentence, how about Salman Rushdie getting stabbed 34 years later![]()
Seems that she probably hoped nobody would find and dig out the tweets.
Caught red-handed when in the country of the people/religion that you mocked. That's not a good look is it and frankly embarrassing.
To be fair, most people wouldn't write that sort of stuff and then pretend like nothing happened when the revelations came out.To be fair, I don't think most people would remember what they posted a decade ago from their previous account.
You can see from my posts that I completely condemn her actions.If only she had apologized 1o days earlier when these tweets were circulated she would have still been presenting at teh WC abd bygones would ahve been bygones.
In India people like Akbaruddin Owaisi have said much worse things and gotten away. More than her life I think she was worried about the court case that was file against her. She didn't want to get into the legal tussles. There were no protests against her on the ground by BJP/VHP/RSS except for tagging ICC, BCCI with her tweet screenshots.You can see from my posts that I completely condemn her actions.
But I think you are being unrealistic when you say bygones would have been bygones.
The Indian online rage machine is menacing, due to the sheer numbers of people.
I think she would have genuinely been fearful for her life.
India is not some cultured place that would accept an apology and move on.
No, it doesn't. We can only deal with, and judge people by their looks and actions. Their intentions aren't something that human beings can know.Allah also forbids negative assumptions, backbiting, and slandering, and you labeling Zainab as a liberal Muslim falls into one or two of those.
I think we should accept her apology even if it came after a week.Zainab Abbas officially apologizes for her past tweets and for the hurt she has caused. It's good that she has done so, but perhaps she should have sent this out a day or two ago
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