‘The word Hindu is Arabic. Why don’t they throw it out?’ - Prominent historian Irfan Habib

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Aligarh, India – India’s Hindu nationalist government has removed chapters on centuries of Muslim rule in the subcontinent, including those of the Mughals, from some school textbooks.

The government, led by the right-wing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), has also removed references to the contribution of Muslims in the country’s freedom struggle against the British colonial rulers.

In the textbooks revised by a government-run educational body, ancient India has been glorified, often without the support of historical facts.

Historians say the revision of school textbooks is a part of the BJP’s Islamophobic project to deny Muslims their place in India’s history.

Al Jazeera spoke to historian Irfan Habib, a globally renowned authority on Mughal history, to understand the BJP’s project of rewriting history and the impact it will have on knowledge dissemination in the South Asian country – home to 200 million Muslims.

Al Jazeera: Why is the BJP removing Mughal and other Muslim rulers from school textbooks?

Irfan Habib: Well, it’s not only [about] removing the Mughal rulers. They are actually trying to communalise Indian history by either removing or denigrating Muslims. But this is only one part of the BJP project, the other part is not only omission but myth-building.

Al Jazeera: Can you talk about the recent changes in school textbooks in India?

Habib: In the ancient Indian history syllabus recommended by the UGC [University Grants Commission, the body that governs the universities in India], the caste system is omitted from history. It claims Muslims introduced the caste system during the medieval period. Every virtue is to be credited to ancient Indian civilisation.

According to the new draft BA [Bachelor of Arts] history syllabus proposed by the UGC, India is supposed to be the original home of the Aryans. It declares that Aryans went from here to civilise the world.

Historians must prove by establishing facts, they can’t manufacture facts. You can’t create an Aryan race. And this is an insult to Sanskrit, because actually in earlier Sanskrit text, Arya is an area in Iran. Iran is plural of Arya. Actually, Iran means [the land of] Aryans.

Now you make Aryans into a race, like Hitler did. Ancient Iranian and Rig Vedic Sanskrit are very close, they are sister languages. Arya means a very respectable and noble person, it doesn’t mean the race. From there onwards, you see it’s not only anti-Muslim, it’s anti-reason.

Al Jazeera: Can you talk about the Indian knowledge system and how it is being now framed by the Hindu far right?

Habib: I recognise that historical sources are such that they can have a Hindu communal interpretation, Muslim communal interpretation, and you can have a Marxist interpretation.

When the Organiser [magazine published by far-right Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the BJP’s ideological mentor] published an article saying that Maan Singh built the Taj Mahal, historian Ramesh Chandra Majumdar wrote to them, saying “I won’t read your paper now and you are not entitled to publish any of my articles”. Majumdar came from the Hindu communal school of historians, but nevertheless, he was a professional and did not accept any unproven fact, whether for ancient or medieval India.

Al Jazeera: The Hindu right has always considered the Mughals as outsiders. Now they are also attacking and othering Muslim leaders such as freedom fighter Maulana Abul Kalam Azad and 18th-century ruler Tipu Sultan.

Habib: The exclusion of Azad is anti-Muslim. They don’t want to show that any Muslim was involved in India’s freedom movement.

In case of Tipu Sultan, it is a total reversal of the national issue. Mahatma Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru [India’s first prime minister] and others always had very good words for Tipu. The suppression of the Malabar rebellion by Tipu cannot be justified. But that could be said of almost any ruler of that time. But what he did for Mysore and modernisation of its economy, and his battle against the British colonialists cannot be set aside. I should point out that the Indian History Congress in 1999 published three volumes on Tipu. So, Indian historians are not in agreement with the BJP.

Al Jazeera: Names of cities and roads with Muslim names are being erased. How will it impact public memory about Muslims and their historical heritage?

Habib: They want to destroy public memory. Aurangabad’s original name was Khirki and it was again founded by Muslim Malik Ambar, an African. So Malik Ambar is an outsider because he is an African and he is also a Muslim, hence he can’t be named. You can’t call it Ambarnagar which you should if you are interested in history or you should call it Khirki. But Sambhajinagar [Aurangabad’s new name] makes no sense because Sambhaji never went to Aurangabad.

Taj Mahal is a dollar earner. But they silently promote the popular perception that Taj Mahal was originally a Shaivite temple. The English [colonial rulers] in order to protect the Taj from lightning put up a conductor. Now the BJP and its supporters call the conductor a Trishul [trident, a holy Hindu symbol]. It is this kind of popular misperception that they are making.

Al Jazeera: Why does the BJP want to rewrite history? The project has two aspects: the demonisation of the Mughals and the glorification of the Hindu past. Can you elaborate on that?

Habib: Their aim is to demonise Muslims, including the Mughals. You see, they have a number of problems. Let me spell them out for you. The word Hindu is Arabic. Why don’t they first throw it out? Religion itself is a Semitic concept brought to India, now they [BJP] are trying to shape Hinduism according to it.

In fact, there is no use of the word Hindu in Sanskrit literature until the 14-15th century. And even the Vijayanagar emperors called themselves Hindu Rai Suratran, that is Sultan over Hindu Rai. This is very interesting how the words developed. But here you can see that you are applying to Indian religious history concepts that have come from Islam.

They are applying fantasies like India being the mother of democracy. No historian has admitted that India was the mother of democracy. Rig Veda talks about Rajas, which means tribal chief. Yes, you find mention of democracy in ancient Greece and Rome but never find it in India, you never find it in China, you don’t find it in Iran. I say show me a serious historian of ancient India who has said so.

The Sanskrit name for that period is Mahajanpada, which doesn’t mean democratic republic. It means tribes. No serious historian that I have read – communal or otherwise – ever claimed there was democracy in ancient India. Removing caste system from ancient India is totally denying history.

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Hindu is Arabic?

So the word Hindutva has basis in Arabic?

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https://twitter.com/AudreyTruschke/status/1370023455400206348

Yes. Hindu is a Perso-Arabic word, coined roughly 1,000 years ago.

It often describes residents of the subcontinent in premodern Persian sources; other times (many think more infrequently), it refers to a vaguely defined religious group.
 
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Hindustan means land between Himalayas and Indus river. That is how the term was coined historically and anyone lived in that land were called Hindus.
 
Really informative article. Thanks for posting, it is important that history is preserved and cross-referenced with the current drive to expunge earlier historical records to build a new history which is more favourable to Hindu sensibilites.
 
The land of Sapta Sindhu (In Sanskrit) is same as Hapta Hindu (In old persian). The languages of Sanskrit and old Persian are extremely similar. Persians called the people Hindu for they lived in the land of Sindhu.

Vedic religion, Mithraism and Zoroastrianism have a lot in common. They were neighbors after all.
 
The very existence of Islam as a religion in Bharat the home of Sanatan is extremely questionable.

Can anyone explain to me why should there be mosques in our country.

I’m ok with religious freedom if foreign religions can be practiced in the privacy of people’s homes.

Any foreign religion’s existence and the practice of it outside people’s homes in public property should not be allowed in Bharat
 
The very existence of Islam as a religion in Bharat the home of Sanatan is extremely questionable.

Can anyone explain to me why should there be mosques in our country.

I’m ok with religious freedom if foreign religions can be practiced in the privacy of people’s homes.

Any foreign religion’s existence and the practice of it outside people’s homes in public property should not be allowed in Bharat
Are vedic and sanatan the same or even interchangeable?
Also how does one gain religious freedom without the help of the state?
 
Are vedic and sanatan the same or even interchangeable?
Also how does one gain religious freedom without the help of the state?

Religious freedom must not mean that foreign religions that are by construct hostile to indegenous religion, allowed to be celebrated publicly. Exceptions can only be made if it is proven that the foreign religion does not attempt to insult the mother land religion. However Islam and its practitioners do not fall in that category.
 
Are vedic and sanatan the same or even interchangeable?
Also how does one gain religious freedom without the help of the state?
Vedic religion is not Santana. Vedic religion is a subset of Sanatan.

Sanatan incorporates all schools of thoughts. Prominent ones are Vedic religion, Buddhism, Jainism, other Shramanic cults, Vaishnavism, Shivaism, Shaktism and many other local beliefs. The latest entrant is Sikhism. No one knows when they started. There was no origin point like Islam or Christianity has. Hence it is Sanatan or Eternal dharma.
 
The very existence of Islam as a religion in Bharat the home of Sanatan is extremely questionable.

Can anyone explain to me why should there be mosques in our country.

I’m ok with religious freedom if foreign religions can be practiced in the privacy of people’s homes.

Any foreign religion’s existence and the practice of it outside people’s homes in public property should not be allowed in Bharat

Your solution sounds very similar to Islam. Perhaps you should consider reverting to Islam and then conducting such a policy would surely fall in line with your logical thought patterns. :)
 
Your solution sounds very similar to Islam. Perhaps you should consider reverting to Islam and then conducting such a policy would surely fall in line with your logical thought patterns. :)

Santana Dharma is the one true Dharma.
 
Vedic religion is not Santana. Vedic religion is a subset of Sanatan.

Sanatan incorporates all schools of thoughts. Prominent ones are Vedic religion, Buddhism, Jainism, other Shramanic cults, Vaishnavism, Shivaism, Shaktism and many other local beliefs. The latest entrant is Sikhism. No one knows when they started. There was no origin point like Islam or Christianity has. Hence it is Sanatan or Eternal dharma.
According to islamic belief first human that set foot on earth Adam(a.s) was a muslim.
Origin point of humanity is the origin point of Islam

Word Islam by definition means 'submission to God' and Muslim means 'believer in divine message'.
We believe Adam(a.s) was the first messenger of God and Mohammad(saw) the last.

Islam is the only true religion according to our faith
 
The very existence of Islam as a religion in Bharat the home of Sanatan is extremely questionable.

Can anyone explain to me why should there be mosques in our country.

I’m ok with religious freedom if foreign religions can be practiced in the privacy of people’s homes.

Any foreign religion’s existence and the practice of it outside people’s homes in public property should not be allowed in Bharat
So it is ok to celebrate Hindu rituals like holi and throw color with whatever chemicals around public places and property, lighting candles and whatnot on public places which is a fire hazard during Diwali or polluting public rivers and waterways for various Hindu religious rituals.......


but it is not ok for Muslims to pray in public places? Got it! :cool:
 
So it is ok to celebrate Hindu rituals like holi and throw color with whatever chemicals around public places and property, lighting candles and whatnot on public places which is a fire hazard during Diwali or polluting public rivers and waterways for various Hindu religious rituals.......


but it is not ok for Muslims to pray in public places? Got it! :cool:

In Bharat, Muslims must behave respectfully and not indulge in blasphemous acts against Sanatan.

Outside Bharat, whatever that country’s law is.

If they’re ok with all that kind of stuff, whom am I to object.
 
In Bharat, Muslims must behave respectfully and not indulge in blasphemous acts against Sanatan.

Outside Bharat, whatever that country’s law is.

If they’re ok with all that kind of stuff, whom am I to object.
what is considered blasphemous act or acts for Santana?
 
In Bharat, Muslims must behave respectfully and not indulge in blasphemous acts against Sanatan.

Outside Bharat, whatever that country’s law is.

If they’re ok with all that kind of stuff, whom am I to object.

Why does that rule not apply to Hindus?
 
According to islamic belief first human that set foot on earth Adam(a.s) was a muslim.
Origin point of humanity is the origin point of Islam

Word Islam by definition means 'submission to God' and Muslim means 'believer in divine message'.
We believe Adam(a.s) was the first messenger of God and Mohammad(saw) the last.

Islam is the only true religion according to our faith
Lets not get into fairy tales.

Islam started with Prophet Muhammad. Calling everyone Muslim posthumously makes no sense. No Jew or Christian were going to Kaaba in pilgrimage and their God is not Allah.
 
Lets not get into fairy tales.

Islam started with Prophet Muhammad. Calling everyone Muslim posthumously makes no sense. No Jew or Christian were going to Kaaba in pilgrimage and their God is not Allah.
pretty rich coming from someone who believes there were massive battles on flying chariots and laser guided arrows.
 
pretty rich coming from someone who believes there were massive battles on flying chariots and laser guided arrows.
This is why it is called Hindu Mythology. There is no evidence of any Flying chariots or guided arrows ever existing.

Now can you call Adam story a mythology? Do you believe a human is 90 feet tall and he lived for hundreds of years? Human anatomy does not allow for anyone over 10 feet. The internal organs will start failing. Eve was made from his rib? Seriously? When He had children, his sons and daughters had sex with each other to spread across the globe? This is the grand plan of almighty?
 
In Bharat, Muslims must behave respectfully and not indulge in blasphemous acts against Sanatan.

Outside Bharat, whatever that country’s law is.

If they’re ok with all that kind of stuff, whom am I to object.
I think you're brilliant!!
Also I see through all the facade and know you to be a devout Muslim.
Mashallah
 
This is why it is called Hindu Mythology. There is no evidence of any Flying chariots or guided arrows ever existing.

Now can you call Adam story a mythology? Do you believe a human is 90 feet tall and he lived for hundreds of years? Human anatomy does not allow for anyone over 10 feet. The internal organs will start failing. Eve was made from his rib? Seriously? When He had children, his sons and daughters had sex with each other to spread across the globe? This is the grand plan of almighty?
That's for the believers as well. You don't have to believe it if you don't want to. What gave you the idea that you have to also believe in it?

It seems to me you are overly obsessed with Abrahamic religions and their ideas. They seem to live in your head rent free. Such infatuations surely cannot be healthy. Perhaps go read Gita or whatever book of Hinduism to get back on that horse and let go of distractions.
 
That's for the believers as well. You don't have to believe it if you don't want to. What gave you the idea that you have to also believe in it?

It seems to me you are overly obsessed with Abrahamic religions and their ideas. They seem to live in your head rent free. Such infatuations surely cannot be healthy. Perhaps go read Gita or whatever book of Hinduism to get back on that horse and let go of distractions.

There is no other religion.


Sanatan is the one true religion.
 
That's for the believers as well. You don't have to believe it if you don't want to. What gave you the idea that you have to also believe in it?

It seems to me you are overly obsessed with Abrahamic religions and their ideas. They seem to live in your head rent free. Such infatuations surely cannot be healthy. Perhaps go read Gita or whatever book of Hinduism to get back on that horse and let go of distractions.
You do not have to worry about my health. I am perfectly alright. Believing in fairy tales is unhealthy.

When I see a spade I call it a spade.
 
You do not have to worry about my health. I am perfectly alright. Believing in fairy tales is unhealthy.

When I see a spade I call it a spade.
You should be calling more spades on your side of the aisle than across the aisle and more frequently too.
 
Lets not get into fairy tales.

Islam started with Prophet Muhammad. Calling everyone Muslim posthumously makes no sense. No Jew or Christian were going to Kaaba in pilgrimage and their God is not Allah.
Fairy tales according to you not for us.

In Quran both Moses and Jesus are regarded as the messengers of God. They brought the same divine message of monotheism that Muhammad(pbuh) was sent with.

With time, corruption starts creeping into religion. People start making distortions in religion for their own benefit, that is why Allah sends messengers from time to time to bring reform.

Adam , Noah , Abraham, Moses , Jesus , Mohammad are all messenger of God.



Ritual of hajj(pilgrimage) has its origin in time of Abraham(a.s). It's older than the times of Moses and Jesus. It's always been sacred for the faithful
 
Thanks.
Truth does indeed shine through all the PS.




Doesn’t apply to us in Bharat because it is our homeland. The birthplace of Samatan.

Disappointing bro. If you truly believed in Samatan Dharma you would not allow weak hindus any leniency either.
 
Ever heard of a flying donkey or flying horses in real life?
Yes, I have. Hundred of times. I have read about them too.

My guess is you were trying to ask if I have "seen" them in real life. Is that what you were trying to do?
 
Yes, I have. Hundred of times. I have read about them too.

My guess is you were trying to ask if I have "seen" them in real life. Is that what you were trying to do?
Documented cases of flying donkeys or flying horses.
 
Documented cases of flying donkeys or flying horses.
Once again, pardon me for being a stickler with words.

Have I seen such creatures. NO. But does Shrek count?

Have I heard or read about them, YES. In books and mythology, etc. They are documented but how truthful, who knows.
 
Fairy tales according to you not for us.

In Quran both Moses and Jesus are regarded as the messengers of God. They brought the same divine message of monotheism that Muhammad(pbuh) was sent with.

With time, corruption starts creeping into religion. People start making distortions in religion for their own benefit, that is why Allah sends messengers from time to time to bring reform.

Adam , Noah , Abraham, Moses , Jesus , Mohammad are all messenger of God.



Ritual of hajj(pilgrimage) has its origin in time of Abraham(a.s). It's older than the times of Moses and Jesus. It's always been sacred for the faithful
Bringing the message of monotheism is where it ends for Moses and Jesus. Their God is different to Islamic God. They never followed the five pillars of Islam.
Adam , Noah , Abraham, Moses , Jesus never visited Mecca. Prove to me they ever made a pilgrimage and kissed the Black stone there? Mecca was not mentioned in Jewish and Christian scriptures. Islam is a mix of Judaism + Christian + Arab pagan religion.
 
Once again, pardon me for being a stickler with words.

Have I seen such creatures. NO. But does Shrek count?

Have I heard or read about them, YES. In books and mythology, etc. They are documented but how truthful, who knows.
Precisely the reason not to poke fun at what others believe. Nupur Sharma said the same thing, and she requires security till this day to defend her from being beheaded by the peaceful community.
 
Precisely the reason not to poke fun at what others believe. Nupur Sharma said the same thing, and she requires security till this day to defend her from being beheaded by the peaceful community.
If you were trying to make a point, it went all over my head. I don't follow Indian movie stars. What did this Sharma person say now?
 
Thats why every religious scripture if taken at total face value to the T sounds so ridiculous. These are just books and guidelines written 1000s of years ago. Just take the good and move on with the modern times. Fighting over them and imposing these over others and stamping others freedoms is thats why so unacceptable. Separation of church and state as I always say.
 
Bringing the message of monotheism is where it ends for Moses and Jesus. Their God is different to Islamic God. They never followed the five pillars of Islam.
Adam , Noah , Abraham, Moses , Jesus never visited Mecca. Prove to me they ever made a pilgrimage and kissed the Black stone there? Mecca was not mentioned in Jewish and Christian scriptures. Islam is a mix of Judaism + Christian + Arab pagan religion.
As humanity evolves so does the religion of God. Doesnt it make sense?
What was required from the followers of one messenger was different from followers of another messenger.

Like performing the ritual of Hajj(pilgrimage) was deemed mandatory for everyone who could afford it amongst the followers(Ummah) of Mohammad.
Before Mohammad came Jesus, whether it was mandatory for followers(Ummah) of Jesus we don't know.

Another example is consumption of alcohol which was completely banned for followers of Mohammad.

Doctrinally all messengers were the same. Practices and rituals would change.

Underlying themes and ideas like monotheism, faith in messengers, goodness over evil, truth over falsehood etc have remained the same for the entire human history
 
Bringing the message of monotheism is where it ends for Moses and Jesus. Their God is different to Islamic God. They never followed the five pillars of Islam.
Adam , Noah , Abraham, Moses , Jesus never visited Mecca. Prove to me they ever made a pilgrimage and kissed the Black stone there? Mecca was not mentioned in Jewish and Christian scriptures. Islam is a mix of Judaism + Christian + Arab pagan religion.
What do you want us to prove this for?

No Muslim believes that Jesus visited Mecca. You haven't stumbled across some gotcha moment.

Nor were prior nations required to adhere to the 5 pillars. They had their own rules. I mean one of the 5 pillars is accepting Muhammad as a Prophet - I'm not sure how you want us to prove that ancient Israelites did that or that we even expect ancient Israelites to have done that.
 
What do you want us to prove this for?

No Muslim believes that Jesus visited Mecca. You haven't stumbled across some gotcha moment.

Nor were prior nations required to adhere to the 5 pillars. They had their own rules. I mean one of the 5 pillars is accepting Muhammad as a Prophet - I'm not sure how you want us to prove that ancient Israelites did that or that we even expect ancient Israelites to have done that.
Are these the israelites Desmond Dekker was referring too
 
If you were trying to make a point, it went all over my head. I don't follow Indian movie stars. What did this Sharma person say now?
That, according to islamic scripture, a 50+ year old man married a 6 year old girl and "consummated" the marriage she was 9
 
Once again, pardon me for being a stickler with words.

Have I seen such creatures. NO. But does Shrek count?

Have I heard or read about them, YES. In books and mythology, etc. They are documented but how truthful, who knows.
Guess we can add splitting the moon in half to that list
 
That, according to islamic scripture, a 50+ year old man married a 6 year old girl and "consummated" the marriage she was 9
As usual, slander and talk claims nothing else. Having so much hate and negative emotion
 
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Hindu is Arabic?

So the word Hindutva has basis in Arabic?

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Yes. Hindu is a Perso-Arabic word, coined roughly 1,000 years ago.

It often describes residents of the subcontinent in premodern Persian sources; other times (many think more infrequently), it refers to a vaguely defined religious group.
Incorrect timeline...

The name of the wife of Abu Sufyan was Hind Bint Utbah and she was a woman of stature and knowledge and her name predates the Prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) so this is solid proof that this word in Arabic is at least over 1500 years old by being her name.

هند بنت عتبة اسم

Because of her family and its stature in the tribal world, she was given a special name...Why?

Because the Arabs knew of a distant land H-I-N-D full of wonders and referred to special women with the name as an attribute.


اسم علم مؤنث عربي ، كان لقباً لكريمات العرب على اسم دولة الهند البعيدة والحافلة بالعجائب ، أو هي السيدة الثمينة التي تعادل مئة من الإبل . وقد ينسبون إليها فيسمون
An Arabic feminine proper name. It was a nickname for Arab women, named after the distant country of India, full of wonders, or a precious lady equivalent to a hundred camels. They may be attributed to it and named
 
As usual, slander and talk claims nothing else.
your problem is with the hadiths not me. Feel to post relevant information which refutes this.

If it makes you feel any better, xtians disown the parts of the old testament also.
 
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As usual, slander and talk claims nothing else. Having so much hate and negative emotion
Its what the golden book preaches. They dont even hide it, never did. Passed through the generations.
 
your problem is with the hadiths not me. Feel to post relevant information which refutes this.

If it makes you feel any better, xtians disown the parts of the old testament also.
Your problem is you hate islam and muslims, you dont need an excuse If it makes you feel better, your fellow brethren are no different.
The Arabs should realise these very people in their lands harbour such thoughts. Feel pity for indian muslims.
 
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