Ajmal Kasab hanged

[speed]

It was a false flag, all wars start with a false flag for the last 100 years or so, but India were too scared to attack.

 

[moumotta]

I doubt this news is correct. Hafiz Muhammad Saeed clearly against such kind of terror attacks

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If only. He will stop twitching his eyes every time he lies.

 

[Asif321]

Kashmiris offer Funeral Prayer for Kasab

http://www.kashmirdispatch.com/head...iris-hold-funeral-prayers-for-ajmal-kasab.htm

 

[GentleMan]

so Geelani the so called peaceful leader wants people to offer prayer "for the martyrs of Palestine and Ajmal Kasab"

 

[delhi_dude]

Pakistani Courts (High Court/ Supreme Court) has cleared him and his organization in any links with any terrorist organization. He has been cleared in all 6 cases in the courts.

now my blood is cooled down,,lolz..can we trust corrupt judiaciary of pakistan

 

[delhi_dude]

It was a false flag, all wars start with a false flag for the last 100 years or so, but India were too scared to attack.

we dont want to hurt you..you are our little brother

 

[KingKhanWC]

lol.. so you dont like my definition of terrorist nation..sending the army on its own citizens.. a la, operation searchlight, operation cleanup, balochistan..and allowing of drone attacks on its own citizens, plus alliance with nato and joining their war in aghanistan.. terrorist actions of a state..

no bro, dont want to be taken seriously by you, of all people..dont want to do business of deaths--ok i will condemn this, now will you condemn that.. but thanks for the offer anyway..

You don't have any self respect trying such a lame argument. Pakistan is not occupying anyone. What it does within it's own borders to tackle criminals is it's right even if those decisions are bad ones. It's alliance with Nato doesn't make it a terrorist state because it's logistical and terrorism is when violence is used. It's helping terrorist nations but this is a changing policy which will soon be over. On the other hand Hindustan has been denying a people the right to self determination which was promised to them Not only has it denied freedom it has raped thousands of women, butchered countless children and terrorised a whole community for decades.

A thousand actions of Kasab doesn't come close to the Indian actions in Kashmir. 26/11 is 24/7 in Kashmir.

 

[Jeetu111]

You don't have any self respect trying such a lame argument. Pakistan is not occupying anyone. What it does within it's own borders to tackle criminals is it's right even if those decisions are bad ones. It's alliance with Nato doesn't make it a terrorist state because it's logistical and terrorism is when violence is used. It's helping terrorist nations but this is a changing policy which will soon be over. On the other hand Hindustan has been denying a people the right to self determination which was promised to them Not only has it denied freedom it has raped thousands of women, butchered countless children and terrorised a whole community for decades.

A thousand actions of Kasab doesn't come close to the Indian actions in Kashmir. 26/11 is 24/7 in Kashmir.

you need to get off whatever you are doing atm !

 

[Ambi]

You don't have any self respect trying such a lame argument. Pakistan is not occupying anyone. What it does within it's own borders to tackle criminals is it's right even if those decisions are bad ones. It's alliance with Nato doesn't make it a terrorist state because it's logistical and terrorism is when violence is used. It's helping terrorist nations but this is a changing policy which will soon be over. On the other hand Hindustan has been denying a people the right to self determination which was promised to them Not only has it denied freedom it has raped thousands of women, butchered countless children and terrorised a whole community for decades.

A thousand actions of Kasab doesn't come close to the Indian actions in Kashmir. 26/11 is 24/7 in Kashmir.

still indian army need to work hard to overtake pakistan army

 

[GentleMan]

You don't have any self respect trying such a lame argument. Pakistan is not occupying anyone. What it does within it's own borders to tackle criminals is it's right even if those decisions are bad ones. It's alliance with Nato doesn't make it a terrorist state because it's logistical and terrorism is when violence is used. It's helping terrorist nations but this is a changing policy which will soon be over. On the other hand Hindustan has been denying a people the right to self determination which was promised to them Not only has it denied freedom it has raped thousands of women, butchered countless children and terrorised a whole community for decades.

A thousand actions of Kasab doesn't come close to the Indian actions in Kashmir. 26/11 is 24/7 in Kashmir.

so you think that turning the army against its own citizens is not terrorizing them?? terrorism is only when you occupy a disputed land?? that is what i said earlier..that your definition for a terrorist state is chosen very wisely..and i dont agree with that..

become holier than thou when it comes to others and become blind patriots when it comes to yourself..yes i know how much self respecting that is

 

[Jeetu111]

so you think that turning the army against its own citizens is not terrorizing them?? terrorism is only when you occupy a disputed land?? that is what i said earlier..that your definition for a terrorist state is chosen very wisely..and i dont agree with that..

become holier than thou when it comes to others and become blind patriots when it comes to yourself..yes i know how much self respecting that is

good shot buddy

 

[KingKhanWC]

so you think that turning the army against its own citizens is not terrorizing them?? terrorism is only when you occupy a disputed land?? that is what i said earlier..that your definition for a terrorist state is chosen very wisely..and i dont agree with that..

become holier than thou when it comes to others and become blind patriots when it comes to yourself..yes i know how much self respecting that is

Man you're slow. According to your logic hanging Kasab is terrorism? lol Targeting criminals within your own borders by security forces is not terrorism. Occupying, raping , butchering, torturing people systematically for decades just because they want their right of self determination is terrorism.

How many terrorist Indian soldiers have been hanged for raping school girls or murdering children after torturing them?

 

[GentleMan]

Man you're slow. According to your logic hanging Kasab is terrorism? lol Targeting criminals within your own borders by security forces is not terrorism. Occupying, raping , butchering, torturing people systematically for decades just because they want their right of self determination is terrorism.

How many terrorist Indian soldiers have been hanged for raping school girls or murdering children after torturing them?

no bro, you are slow. when did i say targetting criminals is terrorism..but dont you know innocents were killed in operation cleanup and operation searchlight..and killing of bugtis etc in balochistan..and colliding with the usa an allowing drone attacks in which innocents are killed... or you think all of the innocents who were killed were like kasab, therefore its not terrorism?

using the narrow definition of terrorism only when you are occupying a disputed land is to absolve pakistan of its terrorist past..because the butcher of bengal, tikka khan was responsible for raping and butchering people who wanted self determination.. but no, that wasnt terrorism!!

 

[KingKhanWC]

no bro, you are slow. when did i say targetting criminals is terrorism..but dont you know innocents were killed in operation cleanup and operation searchlight..and killing of bugtis etc in balochistan..and colliding with the usa an allowing drone attacks in which innocents are killed... or you think all of the innocents who were killed were like kasab, therefore its not terrorism?

Do you not understand the difference between targeting innocent people and innocents dying as a result of 'collateral damage'?

Kasab targetted innocent people just like the Indian army targeted and raped thousands of innocent girls some walking home from school.

using the narrow definition of terrorism only when you are occupying a disputed land is to absolve pakistan of its terrorist past..because the butcher of bengal, tikka khan was responsible for raping and butchering people who wanted self determination.. but no, that wasnt terrorism!!

Unfortunately for Kashmiri's it's not history but ongoing terrorism. Besides it's yet anothe idiotic comparison. The name East Pakistan should give you a clue or two but I'll help you anyway by telling you it was part of Pakistan as a whole under International law. Kashmir is not and never will be.

p.s Leave the bro for your Indian pals.

 

[GentleMan]

Do you not understand the difference between targeting innocent people and innocents dying as a result of 'collateral damage'?

Kasab targetted innocent people just like the Indian army targeted and raped thousands of innocent girls some walking home from school.



Unfortunately for Kashmiri's it's not history but ongoing terrorism. Besides it's yet anothe idiotic comparison. The name East Pakistan should give you a clue or two but I'll help you anyway by telling you it was part of Pakistan as a whole under International law. Kashmir is not and never will be.

p.s Leave the bro for your Indian pals.

brother, i didnt say that east pakistan was occupied land, i just said that you have used your narrow definition of terrorism of it being relevant only if its disputed land but my definition is broad - that any state that uses armies on its own citizens because they have different political beliefs is a terrorist nation. under my definition pakistan is a terrorist state.

ps- if you get time after supporting palestine and kashmir, please express your moral outrage in the thread on shia's killed by sunni extremists.

pps- so you think the innocents dying in drone attacks are collateral damage, therefore it is not terrorism?

 

[KingKhanWC]

brother, i didnt say that east pakistan was occupied land, i just said that you have used your narrow definition of terrorism of it being relevant only if its disputed land but my definition is broad - that any state that uses armies on its own citizens because they have different political beliefs is a terrorist nation. under my definition pakistan is a terrorist state.

You're either ignorant or a troll, it's hard to tell. Pakistan hasn't been butchering people for their political beliefs. The vast majority of people in Balochistan are pro-Pakistan, the others allowed to air their views until they use violence. A little education will go a long way for you.

ps- if you get time after supporting palestine and kashmir, please express your moral outrage in the thread on shia's killed by sunni extremists.

Try using the search button, I have condemned it many times in the past. It's very stupid to compare terrorism by groups with terrorist states who have been occupying people for decades. Only a Hindustani would make such a link to defend it's rapist soldiers.

pps- so you think the innocents dying in drone attacks are collateral damage, therefore it is not terrorism?

If you trying reading my earlier post this has been answered. Deliberately targeting innocents is terrorism. Pak army doesn't do this it's the Americans who claim they are only targeting militants.

When an Indian soldiers kills a child after torturing him in a cell it's deliberate. When an Indian soldier rapes a girl walking home from school it's deliberate.

 

[chaiwala]

^ So much empty rhetoric, it's sickening.

 

[GentleMan]

You're either ignorant or a troll, it's hard to tell. Pakistan hasn't been butchering people for their political beliefs. The vast majority of people in Balochistan are pro-Pakistan, the others allowed to air their views until they use violence. A little education will go a long way for you.

so the bengalis were killed only when they resorted to violence, before that they were allowed to live as long as they agreed the rules of west pakistan. cool story bro.

Try using the search button, I have condemned it many times in the past. It's very stupid to compare terrorism by groups with terrorist states who have been occupying people for decades. Only a Hindustani would make such a link to defend it's rapist soldiers.

no bro, there was no comparison.. i thought the shia victims could do a bit with the active support you give to palestine and kashmir, after all they are your countrymen. i didnt say that you have never condemned those killings, was just making you aware of todays news in case you forgot to click on it.

If you trying reading my earlier post this has been answered. Deliberately targeting innocents is terrorism. Pak army doesn't do this it's the Americans who claim they are only targeting militants.

When an Indian soldiers kills a child after torturing him in a cell it's deliberate. When an Indian soldier rapes a girl walking home from school it's deliberate.

but why is pakistan allowing these drone attacks? shouldnt it be saving the innocents lives? or are you saying they have sold out their country to usa? God, that is worse.

 

[KingKhanWC]

so the bengalis were killed only when they resorted to violence, before that they were allowed to live as long as they agreed the rules of west pakistan. cool story bro.

Cool story which you have just made up in your head. If you want to bump a thread on this your ignorance can be exposed pretty easily.

no bro, there was no comparison.. i thought the shia victims could do a bit with the active support you give to palestine and kashmir, after all they are your countrymen. i didnt say that you have never condemned those killings, was just making you aware of todays news in case you forgot to click on it.

More like a typical Hindustani tactic of diversion.

but why is pakistan allowing these drone attacks? shouldnt it be saving the innocents lives? or are you saying they have sold out their country to usa? God, that is worse.

The government certainly has but to suggest a government which will be replaced within months supporting drone attacks is worse than decades of occupation, rape ,murder, torture and brutality by ALL Indian governments shows your mentality towards the Kashmiri's.

You really haven't addressed the point and are running away from it.

Try again.

"Indian terrorism(in Kashmir) makes Kasab's act look very small in comparison."

Forget about Pakistan, Bangladesh and Shias for a moment and address the issue of your own nation. Do you disagree with the above statement? If so why?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Cool story which you have just made up in your head. If you want to bump a thread on this your ignorance can be exposed pretty easily.



More like a typical Hindustani tactic of diversion.




The government certainly has but to suggest a government which will be replaced within months supporting drone attacks is worse than decades of occupation, rape ,murder, torture and brutality by ALL Indian governments shows your mentality towards the Kashmiri's.

You really haven't addressed the point and are running away from it.

Try again.

"Indian terrorism(in Kashmir) makes Kasab's act look very small in comparison."

Forget about Pakistan, Bangladesh and Shias for a moment and address the issue of your own nation. Do you disagree with the above statement? If so why?

If India is doing anything in Kashmir thats between Indians and Kashmiris.Who gave Pakistanis the right to poke their.noses there.The issue will.be settled between Indians and Kashmiris whatever may be the settlement.Pakistan is letting its soil being used for terrorism.The world.has seen it.The India decides to retaliate in kind to the likes of Kasab there will be hell to pay for.If you.think that is a joke look no beyond than 1971.

 

[GentleMan]

More like a typical Hindustani tactic of diversion.

you think that asking a patriotic pakistani to turn its attention to victims in pakistan also and not being limited to palestine and kashmir a diversion, i call it bringing the diverted back to where their focus should be.

The government certainly has but to suggest a government which will be replaced within months supporting drone attacks is worse than decades of occupation, rape ,murder, torture and brutality by ALL Indian governments shows your mentality towards the Kashmiri's.

You really haven't addressed the point and are running away from it.

Try again.

"Indian terrorism(in Kashmir) makes Kasab's act look very small in comparison."

Forget about Pakistan, Bangladesh and Shias for a moment and address the issue of your own nation. Do you disagree with the above statement? If so why?

brother, you are still slow. nowhere have i made comparisons. all i have said that pakistan is a terrorist state by the definition of anyone turning its army against its own citizens, forget criminals, but unarmed citizens. but you are running away from it and not accepting it as terrorism. once you do that we can then move on to discuss who is the bigger terrorist nation. so try again.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If India is doing anything in Kashmir thats between Indians and Kashmiris.Who gave Pakistanis the right to poke their.noses there.The issue will.be settled between Indians and Kashmiris whatever may be the settlement.Pakistan is letting its soil being used for terrorism.The world.has seen it.The India decides to retaliate in kind to the likes of Kasab there will be hell to pay for.If you.think that is a joke look no beyond than 1971.

So according to fan of Hindutva the on going brutality against Kashmiri's is a non issue. Kashmir is occupied ,it's not part of India.

 

[KingKhanWC]

brother, you are still slow. nowhere have i made comparisons. all i have said that pakistan is a terrorist state by the definition of anyone turning its army against its own citizens, forget criminals, but unarmed citizens. but you are running away from it and not accepting it as terrorism. once you do that we can then move on to discuss who is the bigger terrorist nation. so try again.

It's not too hard to tackle even for you.

Do you agree with the below statement? Yes or No? Explain.

"Indian terrorism(in Kashmir) makes Kasab's act look very small in comparison."

p.s I aint your brother. lol

 

[cricketjoshila]

So according to fan of Hindutva the on going brutality against Kashmiri's is a non issue. Kashmir is occupied ,it's not part of India.

Do you have any better work other than call people who.pwn you as Hindutva supporters?

Kashmir is an issue between Indians and Kashmiris.The disput has nothing to do with Pakistan.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Do you have any better work other than call people who.pwn you as Hindutva supporters?

Kashmir is an issue between Indians and Kashmiris.The disput has nothing to do with Pakistan.

It has to do with Muslims whether you like it or not until your hero's stop raping schoolgirls and murdering children for throwing stones. Besides you should be proud of your ideology.

 

[GentleMan]

It's not too hard to tackle even for you.

Do you agree with the below statement? Yes or No? Explain.

"Indian terrorism(in Kashmir) makes Kasab's act look very small in comparison."

p.s I aint your brother. lol

you are my brother, who got separated due to partition.

I will answer your questions bro, but only after you agree that Pakistan is a terrorist nation, for terrorizing its own citizens from balochistan to bangladesh and khyber pukhtoonkhwa. And I dont want to bring in sheltering of OBL because everyone treats their guests with respect.

 

[KingKhanWC]

you are my brother, who got separated due to partition.

lol. FYI my family were fully behind the creation of Pakistan before partition. I would certainly not see someone who is an apologist for Indian crimes in Kashmir as my brother. Please refrain from using such language towards me.

I will answer your questions bro, but only after you agree that Pakistan is a terrorist nation, for terrorizing its own citizens from balochistan to bangladesh and khyber pukhtoonkhwa. And I dont want to bring in sheltering of OBL because everyone treats their guests with respect.

lol. You might as well log off if you just want to run. Let's agree to disagree on your diversion tactics.

Trust me it's really really easy to answer. Go again.



Do you agree with the below statement? Yes or No? Explain.

"Indian terrorism(in Kashmir) makes Kasab's act look very small in comparison."

 

[cricketjoshila]

It has to do with Muslims whether you like it or not until your hero's stop raping schoolgirls and murdering children for throwing stones. Besides you should be proud of your ideology.

Which law.gave right to a.Pakistani,muslim or otherwise to poke its nose between India and Kashmir?As i said.as and when India.retaliates 1971 will look small.

And this love for muslims is restricted to Kashmir?what about the genocide in Bangladesh?what about the support to kill Palestinians by zia ul haq?what about disppearances in Baluchistan?where is your love then?

 

[GentleMan]

lol. FYI my family were fully behind the creation of Pakistan before partition. I would certainly not see someone who is an apologist for Indian crimes in Kashmir as my brother. Please refrain from using such language towards me.

no worries, i never asked you to accept me as your brother, but i consider yourself my brother who got separated due to partition. please dont mind my one sided fraternal love.

l
lol. You might as well log off if you just want to run. Let's agree to disagree on your diversion tactics.

Trust me it's really really easy to answer. Go again.



Do you agree with the below statement? Yes or No? Explain.

"Indian terrorism(in Kashmir) makes Kasab's act look very small in comparison."

how unfair of you, you want me to agree to answering your question, yet you dont agree to my definition of a terrorist state..trust me, it is really easy...accept that pakistan is a terrorist state and we can then move on to doing the comparisons on who is the bigger terrorist.

 

[KingKhanWC]

no worries, i never asked you to accept me as your brother, but i consider yourself my brother who got separated due to partition. please dont mind my one sided fraternal love.

I do so please refrain.

how unfair of you, you want me to agree to answering your question, yet you dont agree to my definition of a terrorist state..trust me, it is really easy...accept that pakistan is a terrorist state and we can then move on to doing the comparisons on who is the bigger terrorist.

O.k I'll change the words. No excuses this time.

Do you agree with the below statement? Yes or No? Explain.

"Indian brutality(in Kashmir) makes Kasab's act look very small in comparison."

 

[GentleMan]

I do so please refrain.

no problem, will still call you my brother.

O.k I'll change the words. No excuses this time.

Do you agree with the below statement? Yes or No? Explain.

"Indian brutality(in Kashmir) makes Kasab's act look very small in comparison."

i will answer this question in detail, once you accept that pakistan is a terrorist state. how do you expect me to entertain you if you dont take my offer?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Forget it pal, you're boring me. Perhaps you're lonely and need some friendship considering the amount of time you spend on here but I come to make points and debate, something which you are struggling with .

I will just finish by saying Kasab's crimes however heinous are nothing in comparison to the decades long injustices inflicted on Kashmiri's by Indian state terrorism. A Kashmiri life is no less valuable than an Indian.

 

[GentleMan]

Forget it pal, you're boring me. Perhaps you're lonely and need some friendship considering the amount of time you spend on here but I come to make points and debate, something which you are struggling with .

so you come here for entertainment..sorry i couldnt entertain you bro. i thought i can answer you once i know there is no hypocrisy on your part..but since you are not accepting that pakistan is a terrorist state and want me to continue the discussion only on your terms, i cant oblige.

I will just finish by saying Kasab's crimes however heinous are nothing in comparison to the decades long injustices inflicted on Kashmiri's by Indian state terrorism. A Kashmiri life is no less valuable than an Indian.

finished? now please show some moral outrage in other threads that can do with some of your concerns.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Every nation has to police itself within it's borders. Having a political opinion is fine but not when you break the law. You will never understand this simple logic but India has been terrorising people who DO NOT want to live under it's rule for decades and a people who were promised the right of self determination. No such thing has ever occurred in Pakistan. Only a complete idiot would even try to make such a comparison.

When you Indians starts to condemn the rape of women in Kashmir as you condemn the murder of people in Mumbai only then will you be taken seriously by me and many others. Indians are hypocrites of the highest order and their soldiers in Kashmir are some of the biggest terrorists the world has ever seen.

Enjoy your evening.

This is the bottom line to all this. Rather than others skirting around the issue- tackle it.

 

[bin_pendi_ka_lota]

..
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why is pakistan allowing these drone attacks? shouldnt it be saving the innocents lives? or are you saying they have sold out their country to usa? God, that is worse.

No They arent Pakistani citizens.. They are Taliban? Bad Taliban. Terrorist. They don't accept what Governemnt /ISI wants. They cant understand simple thing... If Only they could cross the border do the same in India they will earn respect and be regarded as FREEDOM FIGHTER.

Finally, to resolve this minor internal law and order issue Pakistan is justified to take the help of Uncle Sam and use sophisticated weaponry, torture,collateral damage, rape extortion...

 

[Hitman]

Identifying Ajmal Kasab as 26/11 attacker left this little girl isolated

Devika Rotawan was only nine years old when she saw Pakistan backed terrorist Ajmal Kasab firing indiscriminately at people in Mumbai's CST railway station.

On November 26, 2008 the little girl, along with her father and brother Jayesh, was waiting to board a train to Pune to meet her eldest brother Bharat, when the terrorist's bullet struck her in the right leg.

"We first thought some Haj pilgrims were celebrating by bursting crackers. When we saw blood and people dying, it was nothing less than a nightmare," Devika said, recalling the horror of that fateful day.

She later recovered from the bullet wound after undergoing six operations. But identifying Kasab as main perpetrator of 26/11 attacks during the trial changed her and her family's life completely. The testimony had filled her with a sense of pride but this act of hers made their friends and relatives virtually ostracize them as they feared a backlash from terror outfits. Even her eldest brother refused to invite his father and siblings to his wedding.

Devika's father Natwarlal, who had a flourishing business of dry fruits in Mumbai's Colaba area had to shut his shop after the attacks as no trader was ready to do business with him. His profits dipped and he had to shift his house from Bandra to Borivali as it was more affordable. There, he was given a job at a general store by one of his community members.

Helping Devika go to school was another struggle for the family, as no school was ready to admit her. However, after many protests when she was accepted by a school, she was boycotted by her friends and teachers who used to call her names.

"I was called Kasab's daughter, Kasab wali and other such names. But I ignored everyone and did what was right," said Devika, who is in class 10 now and aims to become an IPS officer.

She along with her father and brother arrived in the city on Thursday and will hoist the national flag at Regal Square on Republic Day.

Link: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ium=social&utm_campaign=TOI&utm_content=om-bm

 

[Hitman]

I feel like hanging my head in shame. I really do.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Link: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ium=social&utm_campaign=TOI&utm_content=om-bm

This is utter shameful.

 

[Traveller55]

It's not too hard to tackle even for you.

Do you agree with the below statement? Yes or No? Explain.

"Indian terrorism(in Kashmir) makes Kasab's act look very small in comparison."

p.s I aint your brother. lol

And Pakistani terrorism in Bangladesh make anything India did look like peanuts in comparison.
Your army killed MILLIONS of my people. Last I checked, Indian army hasn't killed millions of people in the lands they control.

 

[big_gamer007]

Link: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ium=social&utm_campaign=TOI&utm_content=om-bm

This is why in a country like India one should never reveal names of high profile witness, rape victims etc.. I am not surprised this happened the mindset of people in India is disgusting..

In America they change identity of high profile victims/witness and help them start a new life why can’t we do the same in India?

 

[Slog]

This is why in a country like India one should never reveal names of high profile witness, rape victims etc.. I am not surprised this happened the mindset of people in India is disgusting..

In America they change identity of high profile victims/witness and help them start a new life why can’t we do the same in India?

im finding it hard to follow

why is her being a witness and giving a statement leading to this?

 

[big_gamer007]

im finding it hard to follow

why is her being a witness and giving a statement leading to this?

Because people are stupid.

1. There are people who are scared that having any sort of connection with her or her family would lead to terrorists targeting them, they fear for their life’s and their families.. These kind you can understand where they are coming from.. Witness protection is needed and this girl should have been helped by government to start a new life with a new name.
2. There are people who are morons and teenagers in school are stupid.. They don’t have maturity yet hence they resort to insults like Kasab Daughter etc all this because the girl became popular due to media.. The media/court/government should have kept her identity secret as soon as you become a known figure in public domain even if you did something for your country you will always have haters/trolls. This is the sad reality.

 

[Syed1]

And Pakistani terrorism in Bangladesh make anything India did look like peanuts in comparison.
Your army killed MILLIONS of my people. Last I checked, Indian army hasn't killed millions of people in the lands they control.

Wait what? millions? If you are talking about 1971 then the figure was 300,000 at best.

 

[Traveller55]

Wait what? millions? If you are talking about 1971 then the figure was 300,000 at best.

3 million is the number given officially by my motherland. Most independent research shows it to be between 300,000 and 700,000.

That number is still far greater than the number of civillians killed by Indian armed forces in territories they control. So next time, before jumping up and down about Indian 'genocide' in Kashmir, look at the mirror and see how Pakistan has done FAR WORSE.
And unlike Kashmir's popular 'reluctance' to be part of Pakistan, we Bengalis were a bigger driver for Pakistan's creation than actual people FROM Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

3 million is the number given officially by my motherland. Most independent research shows it to be between 300,000 and 700,000.

That number is still far greater than the number of civillians killed by Indian armed forces in territories they control. So next time, before jumping up and down about Indian 'genocide' in Kashmir, look at the mirror and see how Pakistan has done FAR WORSE.
And unlike Kashmir's popular 'reluctance' to be part of Pakistan, we Bengalis were a bigger driver for Pakistan's creation than actual people FROM Pakistan.

Most independent researchers show figures between 1mn to 1.5mn. 300000 is the least estimate.

I am not counting the raped and the mutiliated ones.

 

[KingKhanWC]

And Pakistani terrorism in Bangladesh make anything India did look like peanuts in comparison.
Your army killed MILLIONS of my people. Last I checked, Indian army hasn't killed millions of people in the lands they control.

It was your own peoples fault. Instead of remaining as Pakistan , YOUR people chose treason and to work with India to create what? Bangladesh?

Bangladesh has no relevance in the world, no influence and no potential I'm sorry to say. What a foolish decision to leave Pakistan , a nuclear power with a great army which has influence in many nations and potential to be the leading Muslim nation on Earth in years to come.

Btw There is a difference between war and state oppression.

 

[KingKhanWC]

3 million is the number given officially by my motherland. Most independent research shows it to be between 300,000 and 700,000.

That number is still far greater than the number of civillians killed by Indian armed forces in territories they control. So next time, before jumping up and down about Indian 'genocide' in Kashmir, look at the mirror and see how Pakistan has done FAR WORSE.
And unlike Kashmir's popular 'reluctance' to be part of Pakistan, we Bengalis were a bigger driver for Pakistan's creation than actual people FROM Pakistan.

It was a one off war not decades of occupation and oppression. It's nearly been 50 years but Kashmir is ongoing. Its totally idiotic to compare the two.

 

[Traveller55]

It was a one off war not decades of occupation and oppression. It's nearly been 50 years but Kashmir is ongoing. Its totally idiotic to compare the two.

So basically what you are saying, is Pakistan butchered more of its OWN CITIZENS, in a couple of short years, than India has done, in decades.

Kashmiris wanting independence for decades leads to less butchering of civillians by Indian military, than Bangladeshis wanting independence leads to butchering of civillians by Pakistani military.

It is idiotic to compare the two, you are right. Indian military is an angel compared to the Pakistani military, this fact alone proves it.

 

[Traveller55]

It was your own peoples fault. Instead of remaining as Pakistan , YOUR people chose treason and to work with India to create what? Bangladesh?

So by that logic, its Kashmiris's own fault for getting killed by the Indian military. Instead of remaining with India, they choose treason ?

If your nation had a sense of law and justice, they'd have prosecuted the ones who committed treason. Not rape women, kill children and make millions disappear in the most heinous crimes committed in the subcontinent in the last century.

Bangladesh has no relevance in the world, no influence and no potential I'm sorry to say. What a foolish decision to leave Pakistan , a nuclear power with a great army which has influence in many nations and potential to be the leading Muslim nation on Earth in years to come.

Btw There is a difference between war and state oppression.

Your nation is a pauper nation that gets its influence from either having a mai-baap in USA or China and is the biggest reason the subcontinent is messed up.
When we left, we were making more revenue than your nation was (West Paksitan) and yet you did not give us our fair share of revenue. When you steal money from the ones who earn money, they obviously want nothing to do with you.

 

[Traveller55]

Oh and before you try your nationalistic double standards, here are the facts:

Bangladesh never voted to join Pakistan either. The predecessor government in charge (British India) chose to give Bangladesh to Pakistan and created a new country. We accept that.

Similarly, Kashmir never voted to join Pakistan or India either. The predecessor government in charge (Maharaja) chose to give Kashmir to India. That should also be acceptable.

If Kashmiris are 'never really part of India because THEY never decieded to join India via referendum', then the same argument applies to my people too- we never decieded to join Pakistan via referendum either.

Its funny to see the shocking double standards for sanctimonious nationalists, who will cry bloody murder about Indian Kashmir, but then promptly blame the people for getting butchered by the military, when its done by their own military. The hypocrisy is stunning and makes such moralism about Kashmir nothing more than self-serving double standards.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So basically what you are saying, is Pakistan butchered more of its OWN CITIZENS, in a couple of short years, than India has done, in decades.

Kashmiris wanting independence for decades leads to less butchering of civillians by Indian military, than Bangladeshis wanting independence leads to butchering of civillians by Pakistani military.

It is idiotic to compare the two, you are right. Indian military is an angel compared to the Pakistani military, this fact alone proves it.

You clearly dont understand the difference between a war and systematic oppression for many decades.

Pakistan went to war with tratiors and yes some horrible war crimes were committed by Pakistan but also from the Bangladeshi tratiors, they also raped and tortured people. But war ends pretty quickly in most cases. In Kashmir generations in the past , present and possibly future feel the tyranny, ask the many posters on here. You on the other hand are free to eat fish, bowl left arm slow and ride your boat.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So by that logic, its Kashmiris's own fault for getting killed by the Indian military. Instead of remaining with India, they choose treason ?

If your nation had a sense of law and justice, they'd have prosecuted the ones who committed treason. Not rape women, kill children and make millions disappear in the most heinous crimes committed in the subcontinent in the last century.

The majority of Kashmiri's DID NOT want to be part of India from DAY 1. Count the years from the creation of East Pakistan to war, this should give you a clue. Tbh even a child could understand the difference here.

Your nation is a pauper nation that gets its influence from either having a mai-baap in USA or China and is the biggest reason the subcontinent is messed up.
When we left, we were making more revenue than your nation was (West Paksitan) and yet you did not give us our fair share of revenue. When you steal money from the ones who earn money, they obviously want nothing to do with you.

Things could have been worked out but enjoy your nation of Bangladesh which is irrelevant in the world.

 

[www787]

Why are Indian nationalist stuck in the past, nothing can be change about past, Bangladesh is a free country, Pakistan has no presence or influence in that country. But, currently Indian occupying army unjustifiably killing and raping innocents in Kashmir.

 

[Traveller55]

You clearly dont understand the difference between a war and systematic oppression for many decades.

I do. You clearly do not understand that most of the killings done by your military on my people were before the war even started. The blood telegram proves it .

Pakistan went to war with tratiors and yes some horrible war crimes were committed by Pakistan but also from the Bangladeshi tratiors, they also raped and tortured people. But war ends pretty quickly in most cases. In Kashmir generations in the past , present and possibly future feel the tyranny, ask the many posters on here. You on the other hand are free to eat fish, bowl left arm slow and ride your boat.

This does not change the fact that Pakistan killed far more of its civilian citizens, BEFORE the war in 1971 started, than India has killed in decades.

The war started BECAUSE of your army's genocide of my people. Its not like the nearly 1 million were killed in the two week war of 1971 where India made a mockery of Pakistani military to such a degree that Pakistan hasn't faced them in a set-piece battle since.

 

[Traveller55]

The majority of Kashmiri's DID NOT want to be part of India from DAY 1. Count the years from the creation of East Pakistan to war, this should give you a clue. Tbh even a child could understand the difference here.

Prove it. Show us the poll numbers from 1947 that said majority of Kashmiris didn't want to be part of India.
And then show us the poll numbers that show majority of Bangladeshis wanted to be part of Pakistan.

You see to lack consistency in logic. Apparently Kashmir's government seceding to India is illegal because the people did not want it, but Bangladesh being given to Pakistan is legal, despite having no official mandate from the people...Thank you for exposing your double standards.

Things could have been worked out but enjoy your nation of Bangladesh which is irrelevant in the world.

My nation is doing just fine and is projected to be richer than your nation by 2020.
Things could've been worked out, yes.
But once your army started genociding my people, before any war happened, when all we did was ask that our RIGHTFUL election victory be respected (which won't happen with the amount of racism Punjabis display, I've come to realize), there was nothing to work out.

When you genocide your own people, they will no longer want to be part of your nation and will seek foreign aid to break free. This much, is pretty basic and this is exactly what we did.

 

[www787]

I do. You clearly do not understand that most of the killings done by your military on my people were before the war even started. The blood telegram proves it .



This does not change the fact that Pakistan killed far more of its civilian citizens, BEFORE the war in 1971 started, than India has killed in decades.

The war started BECAUSE of your army's genocide of my people. Its not like the nearly 1 million were killed in the two week war of 1971 where India made a mockery of Pakistani military to such a degree that Pakistan hasn't faced them in a set-piece battle since.

many army have, do not be angry about it, none of us caused it and none of us could have done to prevent it, it may cause some distress in your life, not worth it.

 

[Traveller55]

many army have, do not be angry about it, none of us caused it and none of us could have done to prevent it, it may cause some distress in your life, not worth it.

It does not distress me anymore. It did when I was a kid and had to run and hide from your army's genocide. I am 55, I lived through 1969-71.

I am simply pointing out the double standards of some Pakistani posters here, who wish to label India as a 'genocider in Kashmir', despite the fact that India has killed far less Kashmiris in 70 years than Pakistan managed to do in Bangladesh, before the war started, in just two measly years.

So it comes across as quite hypocritical, when those genociders and butchers are held in high esteem in your country and given gallantry awards for raping and killing women and children.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I do. You clearly do not understand that most of the killings done by your military on my people were before the war even started. The blood telegram proves it .

Bangaldesh claims 3 million people, independent figures say much less killed AS A RESULT Of War.

How many were killed before the war?

How many were killed and raped by YOUR people? Lets see exactly what you think happened.

This does not change the fact that Pakistan killed far more of its civilian citizens, BEFORE the war in 1971 started, than India has killed in decades.

The war started BECAUSE of your army's genocide of my people. Its not like the nearly 1 million were killed in the two week war of 1971 where India made a mockery of Pakistani military to such a degree that Pakistan hasn't faced them in a set-piece battle since.

Bangladeshi's also killed many, more than the Indian state. This is why you are struggling both situations are very different. India cant go and kill every Kashmiri as it's disputed land, many see it as occupied.

 

[www787]

It does not distress me anymore. It did when I was a kid and had to run and hide from your army's genocide. I am 55, I lived through 1969-71.

I am simply pointing out the double standards of some Pakistani posters here, who wish to label India as a 'genocider in Kashmir', despite the fact that India has killed far less Kashmiris in 70 years than Pakistan managed to do in Bangladesh, before the war started, in just two measly years.

So it comes across as quite hypocritical, when those genociders and butchers are held in high esteem in your country and given gallantry awards for raping and killing women and children.

You seem bitter and angry for the event you have seen in your life.
It was in the past, many army have killed, most of us were not alive during that time. But, we are alive now and daily innocent life and innocent female are raped in Kashmir. So, it isn't hypocritical to point the Indian army atrocities against innocent civilian, and out of all of them, you should know how it feel to live under fear and occupation.

 

[Traveller55]

Bangaldesh claims 3 million people, independent figures say much less killed AS A RESULT Of War.

How many were killed before the war?

How many were killed and raped by YOUR people? Lets see exactly what you think happened.

We are not talking of the war. We are talking of the events immediately BEFORE the war, represented in the blood telegram, where Pakistani military and its governor committed genocide against my people, to precipitate the war.

Bangladeshi's also killed many, more than the Indian state. This is why you are struggling both situations are very different. India cant go and kill every Kashmiri as it's disputed land, many see it as occupied.

Show us evidence that Bangladeshi military has committed anywhere in the same ballpark of atrocities against civllians like India has done, nevermind the even worse numbers of Pakistan.

The situations ARE different. I have already said how - India is a far more humane government, with far more humane military than Paksitan. This is why they've dealt with dissention for 70 years and still managed to kill less innocent people than Pakistan has in less than two years.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Prove it. Show us the poll numbers from 1947 that said majority of Kashmiris didn't want to be part of India.
And then show us the poll numbers that show majority of Bangladeshis wanted to be part of Pakistan.

You see to lack consistency in logic. Apparently Kashmir's government seceding to India is illegal because the people did not want it, but Bangladesh being given to Pakistan is legal, despite having no official mandate from the people...Thank you for exposing your double standards.

Please learn history, only the ruler at the time agreed to be with India. There is no need for a poll as the majority of Kashmiri's were and are Muslims, they did not then and now want to be part of India. You probably think Kashmiris today also want to part of India? lol

My nation is doing just fine and is projected to be richer than your nation by 2020.
Things could've been worked out, yes.
But once your army started genociding my people, before any war happened, when all we did was ask that our RIGHTFUL election victory be respected (which won't happen with the amount of racism Punjabis display, I've come to realize), there was nothing to work out.

When you genocide your own people, they will no longer want to be part of your nation and will seek foreign aid to break free. This much, is pretty basic and this is exactly what we did.

Dude nobody in the world cares about Bangladesh, it's a minnow in the world of geo-politics just as it will remain a minnow in cricket. You have a small piece of land where 150 million people are cramped into. Your people did Pakistan a favour, this would have been a burden on Pak.

 

[Traveller55]

You seem bitter and angry for the event you have seen in your life.
It was in the past, many army have killed, most of us were not alive during that time. But, we are alive now and daily innocent life and innocent female are raped in Kashmir. So, it isn't hypocritical to point the Indian army atrocities against innocent civilian, and out of all of them, you should know how it feel to live under fear and occupation.

It is a hypocritical point, to blame India as genocider in Kashmir, then turn around and blame the Bangladeshi innocents genocided by Pakistan as 'they deserved it for treason' like KingKhanWC is doing.

Bangladeshis were genocided because we are traitors. Well then, Kashmiris too are traitors for doing identical thing for 70 years. Subhanallah that Indian military is far more civilized, which is why their bodycount from 70 years of dissention is way lesser than Pakistans body-count from less than two years of dissention.

 

[www787]

It is a hypocritical point, to blame India as genocider in Kashmir, then turn around and blame the Bangladeshi innocents genocided by Pakistan as 'they deserved it for treason' like KingKhanWC is doing.

Bangladeshis were genocided because we are traitors. Well then, Kashmiris too are traitors for doing identical thing for 70 years. Subhanallah that Indian military is far more civilized, which is why their bodycount from 70 years of dissention is way lesser than Pakistans body-count from less than two years of dissention.

No he hasn't, he has pointed out that both sides were at fault, and Pakistani army made mistake. If you are looking for official apology, then sir, good luck.

 

[Traveller55]

Please learn history, only the ruler at the time agreed to be with India. There is no need for a poll as the majority of Kashmiri's were and are Muslims, they did not then and now want to be part of India. You probably think Kashmiris today also want to part of India? lol

Only the ruler of British India too decieded to give Bangladesh to Pakistan. The governing sovereign entity has the legal power to alter its sovereignty. This is basic legal theory 101.

You have no basis to claim that just because they are muslim, they don't want to be part of India. This claim is refuted by the fact that there are 150 million muslims in INdia today and they didn't leave India, nor did they want a separate homeland everywhere there is a significant muslim population.
Ergo, being muslim does not equate to being part of Pakistan.

Dude nobody in the world cares about Bangladesh, it's a minnow in the world of geo-politics just as it will remain a minnow in cricket. You have a small piece of land where 150 million people are cramped into. Your people did Pakistan a favour, this would have been a burden on Pak.

The only reason nobody cares about Bangladesh, is because we are not the terrorist factory of the world- which is the only reason the world cares about Pakistan.
Saying we are irrelevant, coming from a nation that has never won a war in its independent history, is ranked outside the top 120 and in the bottom half of the world in human development, is like two pigs in the mud, arguing which one is muddier.

Our people DID do you a favor. for nearly 25 years we earned more revenue than you, yet you stole that revenue from us to build your shiny new capital and get shiny military toys (only to get them blown up by India). You are welcome. But once your heinous military started genociding us, we were well within our rights to stop doing any more favours for you.

 

[Traveller55]

No he hasn't, he has pointed out that both sides were at fault, and Pakistani army made mistake. If you are looking for official apology, then sir, good luck.

He has clearly said that Bangladeshis were murdered because they were committing treason.
And if you guys don't have the courage to offer official apology, it only means that your nations words are fake and insincere for its atrocities.

 

[Traveller55]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide

Nice try to obfuscate, KingKhanWC.
LOOK at the dates.
Your military committed genocide on us BEFORE the war. The genocide is what precipitated the war, the genocide was not during the war.

I was being generous, so I will say again - in 9 months, Pakistani military and its government aligned forces genocided more innocent civillians than India has done in 70+ years.
As I said, the Indian military are angels compared to the Pakistani military. Facts show us that, my personal experience during 1971 shows us that.
They liberated us from genocide and for that, I will be eternally grateful to them.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We are not talking of the war. We are talking of the events immediately BEFORE the war, represented in the blood telegram, where Pakistani military and its governor committed genocide against my people, to precipitate the war.

I asked two simple questions.

1. (Before the war) How many were killed by Pakistan?

2.(Before and during) How many were killed and raped by Bangladeshis?

Show us evidence that Bangladeshi military has committed anywhere in the same ballpark of atrocities against civllians like India has done, nevermind the even worse numbers of Pakistan.

The situations ARE different. I have already said how - India is a far more humane government, with far more humane military than Paksitan. This is why they've dealt with dissention for 70 years and still managed to kill less innocent people than Pakistan has in less than two years.

See the freedoms of Kashmiris' in Pakistan and those in Indian controlled, you will see who is more humane. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Lets see your numbers first.

 

[Traveller55]

I asked two simple questions.

1. (Before the war) How many were killed by Pakistan?

Already posted. 300K-3 million. Before the war even began.

2.(Before and during) How many were killed and raped by Bangladeshis?

Zero. There were no Bangladeshis before the war. All war atrocities committed in East Pakistan were committed by forces of the Pakistan military or groups allied with the Pakistani government and the ISI.

See the freedoms of Kashmiris' in Pakistan and those in Indian controlled, you will see who is more humane. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Lets see your numbers first.

No, no apples to oranges. Kashmiris have been running around, blowing Indian military and civilian targets around for 30+ years and India is executing, raping, etc. people there in retaliation.
Bengalis did EXACTLY the same thing Kashmiris are doing, for two years (69-71) and Pakistan executed, raped and killed FAR more people in just 9 months than India has over 30 years.

Its pretty categoric which government and army is more humane, when there is such discrepancy in numbers over retaliation for IDENTICAL acts of secessionism.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Only the ruler of British India too decieded to give Bangladesh to Pakistan. The governing sovereign entity has the legal power to alter its sovereignty. This is basic legal theory 101.

You have no basis to claim that just because they are muslim, they don't want to be part of India. This claim is refuted by the fact that there are 150 million muslims in INdia today and they didn't leave India, nor did they want a separate homeland everywhere there is a significant muslim population.
Ergo, being muslim does not equate to being part of Pakistan.

East Pakistan was decided on the basis the majority of people in this area were Muslims. Majority Muslim areas were to become Pakistan. The same should have happened to Kashmir.

Indian Muslims aren't protesting and never have. The Kashmiris' never wanted to be part of India, silly comparison.

The only reason nobody cares about Bangladesh, is because we are not the terrorist factory of the world- which is the only reason the world cares about Pakistan.
Saying we are irrelevant, coming from a nation that has never won a war in its independent history, is ranked outside the top 120 and in the bottom half of the world in human development, is like two pigs in the mud, arguing which one is muddier.

Our people DID do you a favor. for nearly 25 years we earned more revenue than you, yet you stole that revenue from us to build your shiny new capital and get shiny military toys (only to get them blown up by India). You are welcome. But once your heinous military started genociding us, we were well within our rights to stop doing any more favours for you.

lol. You think Bangladesh doesnt have terrorism? In 2016 a report concluded while terrorism had dropped in Pakistan , it actually increased in Bangladesh.

Pakistan is a global player, Bangladesh is a small nation with no influence. What wars have you won? Pakistan held its own against India which has a far bigger military and is still doing so.

When your nation also has extreme poverty, it's a bit fancy to talk about revenue, feed your people first then talk about riches.

 

[Traveller55]

East Pakistan was decided on the basis the majority of people in this area were Muslims. Majority Muslim areas were to become Pakistan. The same should have happened to Kashmir.

Irrelevant. Should've could've does not change the fact that the Sovereign entity has FULL LEGAL RIGHTS to alter its own sovereignty. Just as British India decieded that having a muslim majority is enough reason to give it to Pakistan, without any popular mandate, so did the Maharaja deciede that being under attack is enough reason to give it to India.
Sovereign decisions are fully legal and fully within their mandate.
The British were not sovereign of Kashmir, Maharaja was. So his decision, is equally valid.

Indian Muslims aren't protesting and never have. The Kashmiris' never wanted to be part of India, silly comparison.

So if Indian muslims are not protesting, then just being muslim does not equate to wanting to be part of Pakistan.
FYI, most Kashmiris want INDEPENDENCE. from BOTH India and Pakistan.

lol. You think Bangladesh doesnt have terrorism? In 2016 a report concluded while terrorism had dropped in Pakistan , it actually increased in Bangladesh.

Sure. But our levels of terrorism are a drop in the bucket to the ocean of terrorism you guys have. So you'd have to drop by ten folds and us to increase by ten folds for us to overtake your terrorist factory tag in aggregate numbers.

Pakistan is a global player, Bangladesh is a small nation with no influence. What wars have you won? Pakistan held its own against India which has a far bigger military and is still doing so.

Pakistan is not a global player. Its a regional tinpot, which has been propped up by aid from USA and now China. It has virtually zero influence- even amongst its muslim benefactors in Arabia, who are more concerned about upsetting India than sticking by your side.

You guys are nothing to the world. The only difference is, Bangladesh does not suffer from delusions of grandeur to think we are global players. We know we are tiny fish in a tiny pond. So are you. But you don't know that yet.

When your nation also has extreme poverty, it's a bit fancy to talk about revenue, feed your people first then talk about riches.

Our two nations are near identical in per-capita income. And from 1947-1971, Bangladesh generated 55-60% of foreign revenue for the entire nation of East and West Pakistan.

Yes, we took a big step back due to your nation's genocide. But we are catching up and in another 2-3 years we will have higher GDP per capita than you. Just like it has historically been- from the Mughal times (when Bengal Subah was the richest Subah in India) till 1971, we will leave you behind us in most humane categories.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Already posted. 300K-3 million. Before the war even began.

Between 300k to 3 million? So your facts are based on an estimate which could be in such a large range? How many were killed after the war began?

Zero. There were no Bangladeshis before the war. All war atrocities committed in East Pakistan were committed by forces of the Pakistan military or groups allied with the Pakistani government and the ISI.

I call them Bangladeshi's but you can call them Mukti Bahini fans if you like? I'll rephrase how many were killed/raped in the conflict (before or after) by his side/supporters.

No, no apples to oranges. Kashmiris have been running around, blowing Indian military and civilian targets around for 30+ years and India is executing, raping, etc. people there in retaliation.
Bengalis did EXACTLY the same thing Kashmiris are doing, for two years (69-71) and Pakistan executed, raped and killed FAR more people in just 9 months than India has over 30 years.

Its pretty categoric which government and army is more humane, when there is such discrepancy in numbers over retaliation for IDENTICAL acts of secessionism.

You believe RAPE is a just form of retaliation?

You missed the key point. Kashmir has been conflict since day until now. This is not the same with Bangladesh which also was justly called East Pakistan while Kashmir was unjustly controlled by India.

 

[Traveller55]

What should happen to Kashmir, is the UN resolution should be enforced.
Pakistan should leave PoK and Indians should maintain bare minimum troops to ensure peace and safety, then under international supervision, there should be a plebiscite on the future of Kashmir, for ALL Kashmiris.

That, is the only humane and legal solution.

 

[Traveller55]

Between 300k to 3 million? So your facts are based on an estimate which could be in such a large range? How many were killed after the war began?

Ofcourse they are an estimate. And even then, the estimate makes it far more innocent people were butchered by Pakistan in less than 9 months, than India has in more than 70 years. Why are you running away from this simple fact ??

I call them Bangladeshi's but you can call them Mukti Bahini fans if you like? I'll rephrase how many were killed/raped in the conflict (before or after) by his side/supporters.

Mukti Bahini did not go around killing innocent civillians and raping them. The Pakistani military and the Al Shams and Al Badr groups allied to ISI did.

You believe rape is a just form of retaliation?

Ofcourse not. I simply stated the facts of whats happening. Your military raped far more in 9 months than India has in 30 years. THat makes the Indians better. Simple, no ?

You missed the key point. Kashmir has been conflict since day until now. This is not the same with Bangladesh which also was justly called East Pakistan while Kashmir was unjustly controlled by India.

The key point YOU are missing, is that when Pakistan perceived treason, they killed and raped far more in 9 months, than when India has perceived treason and killed and raped in 70 years.

You cannot hide from the fact that Kashmiris are doing exactly the same for 30+ years as Bangladeshis had done in 2 years and yet Pakistani troops murdered and killed far more in 9 months over it, than India has in 30+ years.
Obviously this makes India far more humane.

There is nothing unjust about Indian rule in Kashmir. It is unpopular but unpopular does not make it unjust. In both cases,the paramount sovereign decieded to alter its sovereignty, which it has full legal justification to do. That makes the act of secession of Kashmir to India, fully just.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Irrelevant. Should've could've does not change the fact that the Sovereign entity has FULL LEGAL RIGHTS to alter its own sovereignty. Just as British India decieded that having a muslim majority is enough reason to give it to Pakistan, without any popular mandate, so did the Maharaja deciede that being under attack is enough reason to give it to India.
Sovereign decisions are fully legal and fully within their mandate.
The British were not sovereign of Kashmir, Maharaja was. So his decision, is equally valid.

Why didn't the Bengalis start the uprising immediately or protest when the plans were aired? In Kashmir it was immediate and there was a war straight away.

So if Indian muslims are not protesting, then just being muslim does not equate to wanting to be part of Pakistan.
FYI, most Kashmiris want INDEPENDENCE. from BOTH India and Pakistan.

India Muslims seem to be happy being in India, Kashmir's never have. Sure they want independence and they should have imo but this doesn't mean those in Pakistani controlled Kashmir are much more happier and many also love Pakistan, heck even in Indian controlled Kashmir , Pakistan is loved by many.

Sure. But our levels of terrorism are a drop in the bucket to the ocean of terrorism you guys have. So you'd have to drop by ten folds and us to increase by ten folds for us to overtake your terrorist factory tag in aggregate numbers.

Pakistan is in a proxy war. Bangladesh terrorism is on the increase. You seem to be in denial.

Pakistan is not a global player. Its a regional tinpot, which has been propped up by aid from USA and now China. It has virtually zero influence- even amongst its muslim benefactors in Arabia, who are more concerned about upsetting India than sticking by your side.

You guys are nothing to the world. The only difference is, Bangladesh does not suffer from delusions of grandeur to think we are global players. We know we are tiny fish in a tiny pond. So are you. But you don't know that yet.

Do you have Nukes? Do you have a great army? Did the Muslim world call ever call upon Bangladesh for help or any of it's generals? Most people in the world dont even know where Bangladesh is on the map lol

Our two nations are near identical in per-capita income. And from 1947-1971, Bangladesh generated 55-60% of foreign revenue for the entire nation of East and West Pakistan.

Yes, we took a big step back due to your nation's genocide. But we are catching up and in another 2-3 years we will have higher GDP per capita than you. Just like it has historically been- from the Mughal times (when Bengal Subah was the richest Subah in India) till 1971, we will leave you behind us in most humane categories.

You will still have plenty of poverty but I suppose there is plenty of fish around.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ofcourse they are an estimate. And even then, the estimate makes it far more innocent people were butchered by Pakistan in less than 9 months, than India has in more than 70 years. Why are you running away from this simple fact ??

Improve your reading skills. It wrote it was a war. Is India at war with Kashmir? You're as slow as your pacers.

Mukti Bahini did not go around killing innocent civillians and raping them. The Pakistani military and the Al Shams and Al Badr groups allied to ISI did.

So his supporters did not kill anyone or rape anyone? Is this what you believe ? lol

fcourse not. I simply stated the facts of whats happening. Your military raped far more in 9 months than India has in 30 years. THat makes the Indians better. Simple, no ?

No you wrote as an apologist, India are doing it out of retaliation which is justification. Then you cry about rapes in Bangladesh, a bit hypocritical aren't you?

No it doesn't. India has done it systematically , Pakistan did it in a one off situation and the numbers are nonsense. You still cannt get into your head the difference between a war and occupation.

The key point YOU are missing, is that when Pakistan perceived treason, they killed and raped far more in 9 months, than when India has perceived treason and killed and raped in 70 years.

You cannot hide from the fact that Kashmiris are doing exactly the same for 30+ years as Bangladeshis had done in 2 years and yet Pakistani troops murdered and killed far more in 9 months over it, than India has in 30+ years.
Obviously this makes India far more humane.

There is nothing unjust about Indian rule in Kashmir. It is unpopular but unpopular does not make it unjust. In both cases,the paramount sovereign decieded to alter its sovereignty, which it has full legal justification to do. That makes the act of secession of Kashmir to India, fully just.

Youre having a laugh now. Are human rights groups, independent world media making up stories then?

Traitors came to the fore, Pakistan acted against them. Sure war crimes were committed and were wrong but so were on your side but unlike Pakistanis' you lot are in denial .

 

[Traveller55]

Why didn't the Bengalis start the uprising immediately or protest when the plans were aired? In Kashmir it was immediate and there was a war straight away.

So ? Doesn't change the fact that both decisions were 100% legal and therefore, just. A sovereign entity can deciede whatever it wishes for its sovereign status. Tomorrow the government of Pakistan can deciede to join India/Afghanistan, give Punjab to China- whatever. And they are ALL legal and therefore, just decisions.

India Muslims seem to be happy being in India, Kashmir's never have. Sure they want independence and they should have imo but this doesn't mean those in Pakistani controlled Kashmir are much more happier and many also love Pakistan, heck even in Indian controlled Kashmir , Pakistan is loved by many.

THese are just propaganda claims, with zero basis in actual polls. Pakistani Kashmiris are silent because they saw what you did to Bangladeshis when we wanted independence. Genocide. And they are far fewer than us- your heinous military may actually exterminate them completely if they want independence.

Pakistan is in a proxy war. Bangladesh terrorism is on the increase. You seem to be in denial.

I am in no denial to the simple fact that terrorism and terrorist production in Pakistan is orders of magnitude greater than in Bangladesh. The whole world sees you as terrorist creators. Several world leaders have said so in the past. Nobody has said that about Bangladesh.

Do you have Nukes? Do you have a great army? Did the Muslim world call ever call upon Bangladesh for help or any of it's generals? Most people in the world dont even know where Bangladesh is on the map lol

The muslim world has called upon Pakistan ? That's funny. yes, Saudis tried to get you to intervene in Yemen because they know your military equipment is sitting around gathering rust, as you guys will never face India in a field of war again.
Does not make it they call upon you.
You are a small fish in a small pond and regressing. Over the last 10 years your economy has contracted. Ours has increased. We are progressing and as I said, most infographics show Bangladesh is projected to be richer and better off than Pakistan in 2-4 years from now.
So enjoy your nukes- we will be eating our bhat and chagols, you have fun eating your nukes.

You will still have plenty of poverty but I suppose there is plenty of fish around.

So do you. As I said, Pakistan making fun of Bangladesh for being poor, is like two pigs in a mud-pit, arguing which one is muddier.

Maybe we are progressing better than you, is because we are more aware of how messed up our situation is and improving it, while people like you go around thinking Pakistan is a 'world player'. You know the saying - acceptance is the first step of cure and seems like your nation has a problem accepting its current state or its historical atrocities.

 

[Traveller55]

Improve your reading skills. It wrote it was a war. Is India at war with Kashmir? You're as slow as your pacers.

Pakistan was not at war with Bangladesh (or East Pakistan) when they committed genocide, either.

So his supporters did not kill anyone or rape anyone? Is this what you believe ? lol

The numbers done by Mukti Bahini are insiginificant compared to those done by Pakistan. Those are the facts.

No you wrote as an apologist, India are doing it out of retaliation which is justification. Then you cry about rapes in Bangladesh, a bit hypocritical aren't you?

You need to improve your comprehension skills if you cannot tell the difference between identifying a causal action with justification.
If you hit a person and that person shoots you, saying 'you got shot for hitting the person' is a causal statement. Not justification, which requires presenting a JUST cause (the basis of the word Justifying)

No it doesn't. India has done it systematically , Pakistan did it in a one off situation and the numbers are nonsense. You still cannt get into your head the difference between a war and occupation.

There was no war before December 1971. Pakistan was facing an insurgency in Bangladesh for two years, like India has faced in Kashmir for 30 years.
And in 9 months, Pakistan butchered far more innocents than India has in 30 years.
You simply cannot wrap your head around these facts because of your national pride.

Now, you want to contest the numbers, which has been accepted in the given range, by many entities n the world.

Youre having a laugh now. Are human rights groups, independent world media making up stories then?

They are not calling the presence of India in Kashmir illegal, either.

Traitors came to the fore, Pakistan acted against them. Sure war crimes were committed and were wrong but so were on your side but unlike Pakistanis' you lot are in denial .

The same traitors came to the fore, in Kashmir and India acted against them. And they have acted far mildly in 30 years, than Pakistan has in 9 months.
That makes the Indian army more civilized than yours. Simple, really.

Our side didn't commit even 1% the war crimes Pakistan did.

 

[Traveller55]

oh and nukes don't make you a world player. Neither does having an army that has gotten thumped in every war.
Economic power and stability makes you a world player. This is why nations like Japan, Germany, Canada, etc.- all without nukes are far bigger players at the world stage than Pakistan is or will be in my lifetime.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So ? Doesn't change the fact that both decisions were 100% legal and therefore, just. A sovereign entity can deciede whatever it wishes for its sovereign status. Tomorrow the government of Pakistan can deciede to join India/Afghanistan, give Punjab to China- whatever. And they are ALL legal and therefore, just decisions.

So? lol.. If the Bengalis didn't want to be part of Pakistan they would have started the uprising from DAY 1, as people in Kashmir did. Your people were didn't protest until decades later.

THese are just propaganda claims, with zero basis in actual polls. Pakistani Kashmiris are silent because they saw what you did to Bangladeshis when we wanted independence. Genocide. And they are far fewer than us- your heinous military may actually exterminate them completely if they want independence.

lol. You believe Pakistani Kashmiris are SCARED the Pak army might kill them? Why dont you ask some , there are many on this forum. If just ONE agrees with you, I will leave this forum.

I am in no denial to the simple fact that terrorism and terrorist production in Pakistan is orders of magnitude greater than in Bangladesh. The whole world sees you as terrorist creators. Several world leaders have said so in the past. Nobody has said that about Bangladesh.

The compliacted nature of proxy war is too complicated for you to understand. The world , you mean US and it's allies. There is more to the world than those nations.

The muslim world has called upon Pakistan ? That's funny. yes, Saudis tried to get you to intervene in Yemen because they know your military equipment is sitting around gathering rust, as you guys will never face India in a field of war again.
Does not make it they call upon you.
You are a small fish in a small pond and regressing. Over the last 10 years your economy has contracted. Ours has increased. We are progressing and as I said, most infographics show Bangladesh is projected to be richer and better off than Pakistan in 2-4 years from now.
So enjoy your nukes- we will be eating our bhat and chagols, you have fun eating your nukes.

Again you are ignorant, Pakistan has deployed troops to help many nations and has sent experts to many nations.

So do you. As I said, Pakistan making fun of Bangladesh for being poor, is like two pigs in a mud-pit, arguing which one is muddier.

Maybe we are progressing better than you, is because we are more aware of how messed up our situation is and improving it, while people like you go around thinking Pakistan is a 'world player'. You know the saying - acceptance is the first step of cure and seems like your nation has a problem accepting its current state or its historical atrocities.

I'm not making fun, just pointing out you are also a third world country with a lot of poverty. You also are located in a dangerous region where floods are common. It's a bit daft to talk as if you are becoming an economic powerhouse, far from it.

 

[Traveller55]

So? lol.. If the Bengalis didn't want to be part of Pakistan they would have started the uprising from DAY 1, as people in Kashmir did. Your people were didn't protest until decades later.

It doesn't change the fact that when we did want our independence and started an uprising, your military acted in far more brutal way than Indian military has acted in Kashmir.

lol. You believe Pakistani Kashmiris are SCARED the Pak army might kill them? Why dont you ask some , there are many on this forum. If just ONE agrees with you, I will leave this forum.

Right. In a country where blasphemy on the internet gets you killed, people FROM Pakistan will speak for freedom ? You live in a fanciful state of mind if you think that's true.
Most Kashmiris- Paksitani or Indian- want independence from BOTH.

The compliacted nature of proxy war is too complicated for you to understand. The world , you mean US and it's allies. There is more to the world than those nations.

Again doesn't change the fact that your nation is a terrorist factory, my homeland isn't.
And yes, its too complicated for me to understand. But also for you. Because neither one of us has access to classified info to know whats up. See, the difference between you and me, is I KNOW what I don't know, you don't.

Again you are ignorant, Pakistan has deployed troops to help many nations and has sent experts to many nations.

Bangladesh is a bigger contributor to the UN peacekeeping force than Pakistan is and has been since the mid-90s.

I'm not making fun, just pointing out you are also a third world country with a lot of poverty. You also are located in a dangerous region where floods are common. It's a bit daft to talk as if you are becoming an economic powerhouse, far from it.

You are the one to bring in how poor Bangladesh is. I am simply pointing out, your nation is in the same boat and arguably worse, since your nation's economic outlook is not as positive as ours and hasn't been in the last generation.