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Arise (Sir?) Joe Root - Time to take The Ashes by the scruff of the neck....

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England are now in with a chance. A chance to turn the Ashes on its head.

A lead of about 300 runs, an epic run chase with Joe Root and Co standing tall to take England to a fabulous victory under hostile conditions.

If that doesn't get him knighthood - I doubt anything else will!

Cmon England!
 
Don’t have faith in this England lineup, they will bottle it as usual.
 
He will score runs in 2nd inning but I dont think he can win the game for his team unless a couple of players score half centuries more.

He will most likely score in a losing cause this time around.
 
Not only will England lose, their shoulders will slump after the test and they'll proceed to get pummeled 5-0.

Nothing of the sort seems to happen when Australia tour England, however.
 
Australia will add another 100 runs. No way England is chasing 350+ against this Australian attack.
 
I don't think Australia will give them a chance.

This lead may end up crossing 380-400 and that's game over essentially.
 
Can't really on 1 player in such cases. Don't see it happening. Root has been a let down on away tours.
 
England will lose this test but the fight they are starting to show and the overconfidence of the Aussies will lead to an English victory at Perth.

People are underestimating the English team, they are tough to stop once they get going especially.
 
England get 5 Tests every 1.5 years for putting up zero fight :))

The Ashes is so damn boring. It's one sided 99% of the time and they've overdone it.
 
Aussie tail usually always wags... their tailenders can bat better than their batsmen when the time arises.
 
England have a great chance now; fairytale stuff awaits...
 
Ab Fan said:
He will score runs in 2nd inning but I dont think he can win the game for his team unless a couple of players score half centuries more.

He will most likely score in a losing cause this time around.
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As I said yesterday this is what it looks will happen.
 
I was laughing when [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] open this thread, now glory seems to be within the reach of the soon to be Sir Joe Root, will he dare to be great?
 
So many haters.

Time for this joke of a Australian side to be beaten.

SA showed just how weak they were last year.
 
A shot at glory tomorrow for Captain Root. Ali and Bairstow will play a crucial role but dont dismiss Woakes and Broad with the bat.

Will the Ashes spring back to life tonight or will Australia all but regain the Ashes.
 
Once the target gets to double figures and England are still left with 4 wickets, expect the Australians to lose their head and the run rate to increase...snowball effect

Moeen Ali and Bairstow will carry on after Root leaves but England on their way now...
 
If Stokes was also waiting with pads on tomorrow, I'd back England to win because then there's three of the best five batsmen still to come.
 
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Career defining moments for Root, Ali & Bairstow- a 4th innings pressure chase like this is a chance for real glory & greatness (for Root) or validation of "star player" status (Ali & Bairstow).
 
England still behind but there is a shot a glory here.
Hoping to wake up at 7.30 to find England on the brink of a famous victory
 
Root has a brilliant chance of doing something special here. Hope he does not succumb to the pressure. England do have some batting to come but again Root is the key for them to get the remaining 170 odd runs. On the contrary if Australia get root early, their confidence will be boosted and they might run through the rest. Interesting days play coming up.
 
Great Test series again after Pakistan V England 2016 . 100% backing Root , Ali and Barestow to clinch this one and level the series.

Just need to play sensible and rotate the strike . I am sure they are feeling more comfortable than the Ozzys.
I am hoping Records will be broken today.
 
Woakes goes on the second bowl of the morning.


Oops :broad
 
Joe Root- another meaningless 50 for his collection.
 
Sin Nombre said:
Is there someone in history who scores more impactless 50s?
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I'm so glad people are waking up to this. There were people comparing him to Smith, Kohli and Kane (while in his golden run) without doing anything.
 
Incredible how he seems to turn off as soon as he makes 50.

Unacceptable with his talent.
 
kingusama92 said:
Incredible how he seems to turn off as soon as he makes 50.

Unacceptable with his talent.
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50s are the limit for him when playing outside Home. At home, he can make big scores.
 
AlizeeFan said:
Root looks all set for another useless 50. Will be dismissed between 60-70
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MenInG said:
Nothing useless about this innings - Giving Australia a good fright at the minimum!
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AlizeeFan said:
Will wait and see. Counting started for his dismissal now.
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Root didn't disappoint me.

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Hazlewood to Root, out Caught by Paine!! "This is a monster of a wicket" yells KP on air. That could be the Ashes - shows how big a wicket this is. Root is walking back shaking his head. What a start for Australia. What a bowler Hazlewood is. That nagging line and length outside off, came back in a tad, kept low and Root played a poor stroke. Was trying to keep it out, but it took a tiny bottom edge and Paine won't drop that. Off go the Aussies in delight. Hazlewood has struck in consecutive overs and all of a sudden the target looks so so far away. Root c Paine b Hazlewood 67(123) [4s-9]
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He can average 45+ overseas just by scoring 10-20 in one inning, 50-70 in other on regular basis, but I will always pick a guy who can score 100+ in one inning even at expense of failing in 2 innings.

He is predictable now.
 
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He's a supporting batsmen, not a match winner or a leader of a batting unit.

England hsve 2-3 inconsistent match winners, but they don't have a leader for their batting unit who they can count on to score big 100s.
 
And we had some purported English fan, [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] perhaps, suggesting that there's a sense of destiny when Root bats - something that is not the case when Kohli is on the crease. I really had to bite my tongue on that one. Nothing really screams destiny harder than Root's endless and impactless 50s.
 
Buffet said:
50s are the limit for him when playing outside Home. At home, he can make big scores.
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How did he score so many against you? Must have dropped him half a dozen times or the wicket must have been a highway :))
 
It is customary for England to big up their players. People around the world should be used to it by now and not get irritated by it. Root is a very good batsman, but never had the ATG touch about him. I was cracking up last evening when Mark Nicholas described him as batting for his life :))
 
Aman said:
I'm so glad people are waking up to this. There were people comparing him to Smith, Kohli and Kane (while in his golden run) without doing anything.
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Since Jan 2016, Root has made 17 fifties, the same as Kohli, Smith and Williamson combined. He has just five hundreds, compared to 21 for Kohli + Smith + Williamson.
 
Another series in which Root's numbers will look good despite having any impact at all
 
In defence of Joe Root, its always difficult to start a day after you fought really hard the previous night... specially if its on a day 5 wicket...
 
Convict said:
By English standards that is pretty good.
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Would Root make the Australian team? I'd imagine a lot of people would critcize him for not being able to convert. Could see selectors dropping him for that very reason.
 
Root is a fine player but needs to play more match winning knocks.

This defeat doesn't fall on him but to become a great player from a good player - he needs to guide his team to victories in tough situations.
 
Aman said:
Would Root make the Australian team? I'd imagine a lot of people would critcize him for not being able to convert. Could see selectors dropping him for that very reason.
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Let us not go overboard. Australians haven't been spoilt for batting riches for almost 10 years now. Root would comfortably be their 2nd best batsman.
 
Aman said:
Would Root make the Australian team? I'd imagine a lot of people would critcize him for not being able to convert. Could see selectors dropping him for that very reason.
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Having said that Watson had a lengthy career with Australia in all formats of the game.
 
Aman said:
Would Root make the Australian team? I'd imagine a lot of people would critcize him for not being able to convert. Could see selectors dropping him for that very reason.
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He'd make it but he'd never be too secure.

Australian selectors love batsmen that can score hundreds. Its why Hughes and Marsh always got brought back - because they had scored centuries.
 
Varun said:
Having said that Watson had a lengthy career with Australia in all formats of the game.
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Allrounder obsession. Plus mocking Watson was an Australian past time.

Root would play but his inability to convert would constantly be brought up.
 
Varun said:
Having said that Watson had a lengthy career with Australia in all formats of the game.
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He could bowl, still was divisie among Aussies (mostly disliked from what I saw).
 
Kohli: Bunny against seam and swing.
Root: Pathetic conversion rate.
Kane: Fails in most of the big series.

Remains to be seen what Smith's weakness is. The "Fab Four" are far from the complete packages and still have a lot of growing to do.
 
Convict said:
Allrounder obsession. Plus mocking Watson was an Australian past time.

Root would play but his inability to convert would constantly be brought up.
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Do you rate him highly or is the inability to convert too much ignore? Can't recall many great batsmen of the game struggling as much as Root deos to convert. Also, would Kohli and Kane have better cases for making the Aussie team?
 
Bilal7 said:
Kohli: Bunny against seam and swing.
Root: Pathetic conversion rate.
Kane: Fails in most of the big series.

Remains to be seen what Smith's weakness is. The "Fab Four" are far from the complete packages and still have a lot of growing to do.
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Problem with Kane is we don't play enough Test cricket and he has the pressure of doing it alone.

He carried us in Australia the last time we toured and was brilliant.

Would have scored a century in SA on a difficult pitch against an on fire Steyn had he not run out partners.

Whatever it is, I think Kane will drop further out of it as NZ play less and less Test cricket.
 
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Aman said:
Problem with Kane is we don't play enough Test cricket and he has the pressure of doing it alone.

He carried us in Australia the last time we toured and was brilliant.

Would have scored a century in SA on a difficult pitch against an on fire Steyn had he not run out partners.

Whatever it is, I think Kane will drop further out of it as NZ play less and less Test cricket.
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I actually expect him to turn out to be the best of the four. If I could pick any of them for the Pakistan test team, I'd go for Kane first, Root second and Smith third.

Kane and Root have the most long-term potential. Kohli is already 29 while Smith is a bit of an unknown still. He can carry on from here and end up as one of the top five batsmen of all time or he can fall off and end up as a merely good batsman.
 
Bilal7 said:
I actually expect him to turn out to be the best of the four. If I could pick any of them for the Pakistan test team, I'd go for Kane first, Root second and Smith third.

Kane and Root have the most long-term potential. Kohli is already 29 while Smith is a bit of an unknown still. He can carry on from here and end up as one of the top five batsmen of all time or he can fall off and end up as a merely good batsman.
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Well that potential means nothing.

We're not going to play less and less Test cricket in Kane's peak, he'll need to change his playing style (loosen up for LOIs) to adjust to these changes.

Good thing is we can focus on LOI and winning an ICC trophy, in Tests successes are not as valuable or as easy to obtain.
 
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Aman said:
Well that potential means nothing.

We're not going to play less and less Test cricket in Kane's peak, he'll need to change his playing style (loosen up for LOIs) to adjust to these changes.

Good thing is we can focus on LOI and winning an ICC trophy, in Tests successes are not as valuable or as easy to obtain.
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I hope we get to play tests against the Kiwis next yeat. With the FTP now simply a voluntarily followed guide, boards can schedule more test matches if they find a willing partner.

The Kiwis not playing at least eight tests a year is a waste. Kane, Boult, Southee and Taylor are all world-class players.
 
Aman said:
Do you rate him highly or is the inability to convert too much ignore? Can't recall many great batsmen of the game struggling as much as Root deos to convert. Also, would Kohli and Kane have better cases for making the Aussie team?
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Its a massive black mark. I'd say Root is a handy player to have in your lineup because he always chips in but no way you can call him a great.
Worse than Mike Hussey who similarly was not a great.
 
Bilal7 said:
I hope we get to play tests against the Kiwis next yeat. With the FTP now simply a voluntarily followed guide, boards can schedule more test matches if they find a willing partner.

The Kiwis not playing at least eight tests a year is a waste. Kane, Boult, Southee and Taylor are all world-class players.
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We're scheduled for a 3 Test series next year, I woulldn't be surprised if a Test was cut and more LOIs were added.

The LOI leg only conssits for 3 ODIs and 1 T20.
 
So after inspiring England towards an improbable win, who's gonna take responsibility for jinxing Root :))
 
Convict said:
Its a massive black mark. I'd say Root is a handy player to have in your lineup because he always chips in but no way you can call him a great.
Worse than Mike Hussey who similarly was not a great.
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Which is funny with the number of english fans raving about Root. Some already had him down to be on course to become England's greatest ever batsmen or the best talent they've produced in 50 years :))
 
Aman said:
Which is funny with the number of english fans raving about Root. Some already had him down to be on course to become England's greatest ever batsmen or the best talent they've produced in 50 years :))
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Its an odd one. He is clearly a great talent.
You don't make 50 that often without being a talented player.

I just don't get what is holding him back. Too much of a golden boy so doesn't have the killer instinct that some guys like Kohli and Smith have?
 
Convict said:
Its an odd one. He is clearly a great talent.
You don't make 50 that often without being a talented player.

I just don't get what is holding him back. Too much of a golden boy so doesn't have the killer instinct that some guys like Kohli and Smith have?
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Not as determined or hungry as a champion batsmen.
 
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