Arsenal FC | 2020/21 Season

[shaykh]

I don’t make sense but the guy who said Sterling is rubbish (Depay is better) and Maguire is better than Van Dijk apparently does.

Anyway, I am not interested in point scoring.

It is obvious that Arteta will be one of the best modern managers. He has all the qualities, and I hope the board continues to back him and gives him the funds to build his own squad and create his own identity.

Unfortunately, in this social media era, the common fan has a lot of power and they can use it to exert pressure on the club. Wenger was past his prime and needed to leave anyway, but he was basically hounded out of the club by the non-stop criticism of Arsenal fans.

The biggest problem for Arsenal right now is the toxicity that is AFTV. They have successfully pulled off a scam under the guise of giving fans a platform, when all they do is capitalize on the struggles of the club they pretend to support.

They make money because the club that the support is struggling. You can’t stoop lower than that.

If the club believes in Arteta, they need to stay firm and ignore the external noise. Ultimately, the only thing that matters is how the club views the situation.

You do realise WILL is irrelevant right ...the Arsenal job isn’t some kind of internship ...a place where you learn your craft ...

Even the PE teacher had some experience with Cardiff and Fat Frank with Derby ...

Imagine applying for a job as manager at the 6th biggest company ...and on your CV you have no managerial experience...are you getting the job?...

 

[PetroDollars]

I don’t make sense but the guy who said Sterling is rubbish (Depay is better) and Maguire is better than Van Dijk apparently does.

Anyway, I am not interested in point scoring.

It is obvious that Arteta will be one of the best modern managers. He has all the qualities, and I hope the board continues to back him and gives him the funds to build his own squad and create his own identity.

Unfortunately, in this social media era, the common fan has a lot of power and they can use it to exert pressure on the club. Wenger was past his prime and needed to leave anyway, but he was basically hounded out of the club by the non-stop criticism of Arsenal fans.

The biggest problem for Arsenal right now is the toxicity that is AFTV. They have successfully pulled off a scam under the guise of giving fans a platform, when all they do is capitalize on the struggles of the club they pretend to support.

They make money because the club that the support is struggling. You can’t stoop lower than that.

If the club believes in Arteta, they need to stay firm and ignore the external noise. Ultimately, the only thing that matters is how the club views the situation.

I said sterling is rubbish because he is rubbish, an over rated english player with nothing but pace, there no who is better comparison, with depay because they were both over rated players at the time, most of the media and pundits though he was going to be ronaldo, but it doesnt matter in the end because they were both over hyped.

As for maguire, what i said was he career at leicter was better then VVDs at southampton, clearly you fail to read properly and have poor comprehension.

You can bring all your excuses out on Arteta but it doesn't change the fact, hes rubbish, like the rest of the guys you have supported, all the mess at arsenal is his own fault. He has brought this down on to the team through terrible man management.

 

[topspin]

I don’t make sense but the guy who said Sterling is rubbish (Depay is better) and Maguire is better than Van Dijk apparently does.

Anyway, I am not interested in point scoring.

It is obvious that Arteta will be one of the best modern managers. He has all the qualities, and I hope the board continues to back him and gives him the funds to build his own squad and create his own identity.

Unfortunately, in this social media era, the common fan has a lot of power and they can use it to exert pressure on the club. Wenger was past his prime and needed to leave anyway, but he was basically hounded out of the club by the non-stop criticism of Arsenal fans.

The biggest problem for Arsenal right now is the toxicity that is AFTV. They have successfully pulled off a scam under the guise of giving fans a platform, when all they do is capitalize on the struggles of the club they pretend to support.

They make money because the club that the support is struggling. You can’t stoop lower than that.

If the club believes in Arteta, they need to stay firm and ignore the external noise. Ultimately, the only thing that matters is how the club views the situation.

Can you please elaborate on how they are profiting from Arsenal's demise?

All I see is fans who are voicing their opinion. Doesn't matter whether they do it on YouTube or social media. Like any other fan they are entitled to their view.

I hope you're not trying to deflect the criticism aimed at Artera. I don't like some of the people on there but most of them are certainly more knowledgeble and talk more sense than your average Arsenal fan. We need some of these fans to publicise our opinion of Kroenke who is the biggest leech of them all.

You must have smoked some of the best grass in Peshawar if you're scapegoating AFTV.

 

[shaykh]

Can you please elaborate on how they are profiting from Arsenal's demise?

All I see is fans who are voicing their opinion. Doesn't matter whether they do it on YouTube or social media. Like any other fan they are entitled to their view.

I hope you're not trying to deflect the criticism aimed at Artera. I don't like some of the people on there but most of them are certainly more knowledgeble and talk more sense than your average Arsenal fan. We need some of these fans to publicise our opinion of Kroenke who is the biggest leech of them all.

You must have smoked some of the best grass in Peshawar if you're scapegoating AFTV.

This when DT and Ty actually support Arteta ...and Robbie has said that he doesn’t think Arteta is up to the job but if the board do then they need to back him ...

Mamoon isn’t remotely original ...just parroting his cult ...

 

[Mamoon]

Can you please elaborate on how they are profiting from Arsenal's demise?

All I see is fans who are voicing their opinion. Doesn't matter whether they do it on YouTube or social media. Like any other fan they are entitled to their view.

I hope you're not trying to deflect the criticism aimed at Artera. I don't like some of the people on there but most of them are certainly more knowledgeble and talk more sense than your average Arsenal fan. We need some of these fans to publicise our opinion of Kroenke who is the biggest leech of them all.

You must have smoked some of the best grass in Peshawar if you're scapegoating AFTV.

AFTV is no longer a platform for voicing fan opinion. It is not 2012 or 2013 anymore.

Today it is basically a tv show with over the top characters like TY, Troops and of course the fake hard man DT.

They are genuine fans but they now put on an act to maintain their reputation and persona. Only few people get fooled with their scripted ** anymore.

They are only a handful of genuine people left now such as Mo and Lee.

And of course they have cashed on the struggles of the club. It is not even up for debate. If Arsenal was successful during this period, AFTV would never have become so big.

They keep denying the fact that they cashed on the demise of the club and make the lame excuse that they get views when they praise the club as well, but that is such a weak argument that it doesn’t even need to be addressed.

 

[Mamoon]

This when DT and Ty actually support Arteta ...and Robbie has said that he doesn’t think Arteta is up to the job but if the board do then they need to back him ...

Mamoon isn’t remotely original ...just parroting his cult ...

It is all part of the act. Some have to support Arteta and others have to oppose him. AFTV is now a show and these guys have become characters with gimmicks except a few genuine ones like Lee etc.

 

[shaykh]

It is all part of the act. Some have to support Arteta and others have to oppose him. AFTV is now a show and these guys have become characters with gimmicks except a few genuine ones like Lee etc.

Even if true which it’s not ...how is that the BIGGEST problem at Arsenal?...you’re 15th cos of AFTV

 

[Slog]

It is all part of the act. Some have to support Arteta and others have to oppose him. AFTV is now a show and these guys have become characters with gimmicks except a few genuine ones like Lee etc.

But that still doesn’t make them remotely responsible for the struggles of the club. They may be bad actors and make a quick buck out of the struggles but they aren’t the reason why the club has been struggling. Not an Arsenal fan but used to watch them fairly regularly during wenger era but haven’t watched in a few years now.

 

[Mamoon]

Even if true which it’s not ...how is that the BIGGEST problem at Arsenal?...you’re 15th cos of AFTV

No one said it is the “BIGGEST” problem. You are putting words in my mouth.

Arsenal’s decline is due to a multitude of reason that goes all the way back to the early 2000’s when the club was the top dog along with Man United.

But my point is that apart from the mismanagement of the club, there is way too much toxicity surrounding the club and AFTV are at the forefront.

They have become so loud and so influential that they are putting pressure on the club management and played a role in the sacking of Wenger and Emery, and now they think their criticism will force the club to oust Arteta.

The club needs to do what they think is the right thing to do and completely ignore the existence of AFTV and its ***hats.

 

[Mamoon]

But that still doesn’t make them remotely responsible for the struggles of the club. They may be bad actors and make a quick buck out of the struggles but they aren’t the reason why the club has been struggling. Not an Arsenal fan but used to watch them fairly regularly during wenger era but haven’t watched in a few years now.

They are not responsible for the struggles but they are putting pressure on the club.

They are what I would be for the Pakistan cricket team if get a YouTube channel and millions of subscribers and can manage to interview various former ex-players on my show.

 

[topspin]

AFTV is no longer a platform for voicing fan opinion. It is not 2012 or 2013 anymore.

Today it is basically a tv show with over the top characters like TY, Troops and of course the fake hard man DT.

They are genuine fans but they now put on an act to maintain their reputation and persona. Only few people get fooled with their scripted ** anymore.

They are only a handful of genuine people left now such as Mo and Lee.

And of course they have cashed on the struggles of the club. It is not even up for debate. If Arsenal was successful during this period, AFTV would never have become so big.

They keep denying the fact that they cashed on the demise of the club and make the lame excuse that they get views when they praise the club as well, but that is such a weak argument that it doesn’t even need to be addressed.

I can tell you that I have been watching AFTV since 2013, so not everyone watches it when we're going through rough time, it's just those non-Arsenal fans who want their cheap entertainment.

Like yourself, I'm no fan of DT and I find Troopz annoying af.

I like Mo and Lee but my favourite was Claude ever since he was discarded I hardly ever watch it now. What do you think of him and Robbie?

It's easy to say they have cashed on the struggles of the team because we've been regressing non-stop in the last 10 years or so.

It would have been interesting to see what the views and ratings would have been like if we had the invincibles team in the social media era.

 

[topspin]

No one said it is the “BIGGEST” problem. You are putting words in my mouth.

Arsenal’s decline is due to a multitude of reason that goes all the way back to the early 2000’s when the club was the top dog along with Man United.

But my point is that apart from the mismanagement of the club, there is way too much toxicity surrounding the club and AFTV are at the forefront.

They have become so loud and so influential that they are putting pressure on the club management and played a role in the sacking of Wenger and Emery, and now they think their criticism will force the club to oust Arteta.

The club needs to do what they think is the right thing to do and completely ignore the existence of AFTV and its ***hats.

Even without AFTV they would have lost their jobs because Wenger overstayed whilst Emery lost the dressing room because they couldn't really understand him.

Arsenal have never given any limelight to AFTV but their ex-players do. Notice that not a single one of them has put a bad word in for the channel.

 

[topspin]

They are not responsible for the struggles but they are putting pressure on the club.

They are what I would be for the Pakistan cricket team if get a YouTube channel and millions of subscribers and can manage to interview various former ex-players on my show.

If this became a real hit with Pakistan fans, you could use your influence positively to ensure the likes of Misbah and Wasim Khan and etc are removed from the PCB for more competent individuals.

This is why giving the fans a platform is so important.

 

[topspin]

This when DT and Ty actually support Arteta ...and Robbie has said that he doesn’t think Arteta is up to the job but if the board do then they need to back him ...

Mamoon isn’t remotely original ...just parroting his cult ...

Lol it's probably because AFTV isn't up to his eloquent standards.

 

[PetroDollars]

So now its everyones fault,

The players have attitude problems,
The board is toxic
The fan channels are rigged
All the fans are stupid with no common sense

BUT Arteta is a genius trying to save and rescue the club he only spent 5 years at ) ) )

 

[The Viper]

Mikel Arteta: Arsenal manager not thinking of walking away from job

Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta says he has no plans to walk away from his job and feels he has the support of the club.

The Gunners have failed to win any of their past seven Premier League games, losing five and drawing two, as they have dropped to 15th in the table.

"I don't like to think about those steps [walking away] because then I will be thinking in a negative way and I cannot do that," said Arteta.

"At the moment, I have to try to be as positive as I can."

Arteta was speaking before Arsenal host Manchester City on Tuesday in the Carabao Cup quarter-finals.

"We're going through a lot of difficulties, the last thing we want to be thinking of is more problems coming up in the next few months. I'm not in that state of mind," he said.

"I know the responsibility that I have and why I am here. Everybody knows that from a few months ago, this wasn't going to be resolved really quickly. I think that's the consciousness of everybody at the club."

Arteta was appointed by the Gunners in December 2019 and led the club to winning last season's FA Cup.

However, his side have struggled this season and scored just three goals in their past seven league outings.

He insisted there was "unity" in the dressing room and the atmosphere is "as good as it can be when we are all hurting because results in the Premier League are hurting us".

The Spaniard added: "From within the club everything I am feeling is just support, encouragement and total confidence that we will get through this together.

"A club of this stature deserves the best and when it is not happening, everyone is going to question what is happening.

"I am the most responsible one in terms of results, so I have to accept that."

'You need fighters and you don't want any victims'
Arsenal go into the game with City on the back of a 2-1 defeat at Everton and without striker Pierre Emerick-Aubameyang, who has a calf injury.

Arteta says he does not read "all the comments" about his side and urged his players to do the same.

"If I started to read all the comments, whether they are positive or negative, it would drive me mad," he said.

"My suggestion to every player is exactly the same. All the time it happens with social media as well because you cannot control who is writing or what their intentions are, so it is a very dangerous thing to do."

Asked what he was like as a player when things weren't going his way, the former midfielder said: "I liked to look around me, whether it's the staff, coaches, players and I wanted to see fighters.

"Normally when that happens, you have two types of people: fighters and victims.

"You need fighters and you don't want any victims. Victims bring excuses, victims bring negativity and they start to blame anything that is happening around them or is not going their way.

"You need people who fight, people who contribute and people who are ready to give everything to the club in this moment."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55395833

 

[shaykh]

The bit the article above missed is the Scott Steineresque quote:

‘Last year we won the game against Everton with a 25 per cent chance of winning, you win 3-2,’.

‘Last weekend, it was a 67 per cent chance of winning, any Premier League game in history, and a nine per cent chance of losing, and you lose.

‘Three per cent against Burnley and you lose, seven per cent against Spurs and you lose. There is something else apart from that. It is not just the performance on the pitch, it is something else that needs to go our way and at the moment it doesn’t.

‘Saying that, it doesn’t care because you lose and the only thing that cares is that you lose a football match and this is what we hear.’

 

[Mamoon]

I can tell you that I have been watching AFTV since 2013, so not everyone watches it when we're going through rough time, it's just those non-Arsenal fans who want their cheap entertainment.

Like yourself, I'm no fan of DT and I find Troopz annoying af.

I like Mo and Lee but my favourite was Claude ever since he was discarded I hardly ever watch it now. What do you think of him and Robbie?

It's easy to say they have cashed on the struggles of the team because we've been regressing non-stop in the last 10 years or so.

It would have been interesting to see what the views and ratings would have been like if we had the invincibles team in the social media era.

Claude overdid the grumpy told guy gimmick but he was more tolerable than the rest. Robbie himself is genuine, but he is responsible for all of this because he turned this once-a-genuine platform into a tv show with over the top characters.

He kept giving a platform to the usual guys who provided the greatest entertainment and the most hits for his channel.

Robbie defends himself and his platform by stating that they get a lot of views when Arsenal wins and they praise the performance, but what he deliberately ignores is that is not what made them popular in the first place.

Today, they are YouTube celebrities and they will get views even if they make an iPhone unboxing video. However, what made popular in the first place was the aggressive rants and toxic criticism by the likes of DT and Troopz that people found entertaining and brought in millions of eyeballs.

If Arsenal was successful in the last decade and would have won multiple league titles, there is no way AFTV would be as good as it is today. No chance at all, so these guys have clearly exploited the demise of the club to make money. What a shame.

Simon Jordan is a bit of a jerk but he did a good job exposing the AFTV fraud when he interviewed Robbie on talkSPORT last year. Robbie bottles it every time he does an interview like that and always fails to answer the hard questions.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol it's probably because AFTV isn't up to his eloquent standards.

It is not about eloquence - I do not expect Robbie to interview William Shakespeare, but I do have a problem with people defending AFTV as a fan platform. Well that is how it started but now it is anything but a fan platform.

Blockheads like DT, Troopz, TY etc. do not represent Arsenal fans. They are just over the top gimmicks catering to their audiences. It is all about making money now.

 

[Mamoon]

If this became a real hit with Pakistan fans, you could use your influence positively to ensure the likes of Misbah and Wasim Khan and etc are removed from the PCB for more competent individuals.

This is why giving the fans a platform is so important.

It would only be beneficial if I keep it as a fan platform instead of turning it into a tv show with actors. That is what AFTV has become. It is no longer a positive influence and no wonder the club forced Robbie to remove the name “Arsenal” from its channel.

Nevertheless, I have to credit Robbie. This guy saw an opportunity and ran with it, making a fortune out of the demise of the club he supports. Brilliant.

 

[shaykh]

No one said it is the “BIGGEST” problem. You are putting words in my mouth.

Arsenal’s decline is due to a multitude of reason that goes all the way back to the early 2000’s when the club was the top dog along with Man United.

But my point is that apart from the mismanagement of the club, there is way too much toxicity surrounding the club and AFTV are at the forefront.

They have become so loud and so influential that they are putting pressure on the club management and played a role in the sacking of Wenger and Emery, and now they think their criticism will force the club to oust Arteta.

The club needs to do what they think is the right thing to do and completely ignore the existence of AFTV and its ***hats.

I missed this response...I'm not putting words in your mouth...this is literally what you said:

"The biggest problem for Arsenal right now is the toxicity that is AFTV."

You wrote that.

And what nonsense about them being responsible for Emery and Wenger. The hyperbole you're coming out with.

Also Robbie actually owned Jordan on Talksport. The simple fact that Talksport functions in the same way. They get listeners based on people ringing in and going off on one. Its hypocrisy for Jim White to be targeting AFTV. They are just platforms where fans vent.

And as stated you can't blame them for the issues with Arteta. They largely back him. Lee Gunner who is not on AFTV is the one who's anti-Arteta and was when he got appointed.

Your issue Mamoon. Is you see changing your mind as a weakness. Im not sure if your posts are this inane when it comes to cricket. But you're human and you get things wrong. What makes you look stupid is blindly sticking to a position. Your arguments in favour of Arteta have been laughable at best. You backed the guy, he's been a flop, it's ok. Are you stubborn with your nonsense on cricket too?

 

[Mamoon]

I missed this response...I'm not putting words in your mouth...this is literally what you said:

"The biggest problem for Arsenal right now is the toxicity that is AFTV."

You wrote that.

And what nonsense about them being responsible for Emery and Wenger. The hyperbole you're coming out with.

Also Robbie actually owned Jordan on Talksport. The simple fact that Talksport functions in the same way. They get listeners based on people ringing in and going off on one. Its hypocrisy for Jim White to be targeting AFTV. They are just platforms where fans vent.

And as stated you can't blame them for the issues with Arteta. They largely back him. Lee Gunner who is not on AFTV is the one who's anti-Arteta and was when he got appointed.

Your issue Mamoon. Is you see changing your mind as a weakness. Im not sure if your posts are this inane when it comes to cricket. But you're human and you get things wrong. What makes you look stupid is blindly sticking to a position. Your arguments in favour of Arteta have been laughable at best. You backed the guy, he's been a flop, it's ok. Are you stubborn with your nonsense on cricket too?

Stopped reading when you said talkSPORT and AFTV function the same way. Not they do not - talkSPORT is not affiliated with or claims to support any club; AFTV is a platform for Arsenal fans.

talkSPORT making money out of venting fans is completely different to AFTV making money out of Arsenal’s demise.

Robbie didn’t own anybody. His laughable excuse for AFTV milking Arsenal’s struggles is that they also get views when Arsenal win.

AFTV makes money out of the struggles of the club they apparently support. You cannot get lower than that.

 

[topspin]

Claude overdid the grumpy told guy gimmick but he was more tolerable than the rest. Robbie himself is genuine, but he is responsible for all of this because he turned this once-a-genuine platform into a tv show with over the top characters.

He kept giving a platform to the usual guys who provided the greatest entertainment and the most hits for his channel.

Robbie defends himself and his platform by stating that they get a lot of views when Arsenal wins and they praise the performance, but what he deliberately ignores is that is not what made them popular in the first place.

Today, they are YouTube celebrities and they will get views even if they make an iPhone unboxing video. However, what made popular in the first place was the aggressive rants and toxic criticism by the likes of DT and Troopz that people found entertaining and brought in millions of eyeballs.

If Arsenal was successful in the last decade and would have won multiple league titles, there is no way AFTV would be as good as it is today. No chance at all, so these guys have clearly exploited the demise of the club to make money. What a shame.

Simon Jordan is a bit of a jerk but he did a good job exposing the AFTV fraud when he interviewed Robbie on talkSPORT last year. Robbie bottles it every time he does an interview like that and always fails to answer the hard questions.

I don't think Claude was putting on a grumpy act. He says it as it is which is why he was a breath of fresh air compared to the overexcitable/biased bunch we saw in DT, Troopz and TY.

I say this as a compliment, the way you think and express your dissatisfaction for Pakistan cricket is exactly how Claude does as an Arsenal fan. I much prefer fans who can think objectively rather than have their heads in the clouds and get carried away easily.

DT and Troopz have undoubtedly milked it the most and this is very much evident from the views and likes displayed on their featured content in AFTV videos and from the number of subscribers to their Youtube and individual social media accounts.

Simon Jordan wasn't doing any favours, he's just a snob who looks down at these guys because of the way they talk.

 

[topspin]

It is not about eloquence - I do not expect Robbie to interview William Shakespeare, but I do have a problem with people defending AFTV as a fan platform. Well that is how it started but now it is anything but a fan platform.

Blockheads like DT, Troopz, TY etc. do not represent Arsenal fans. They are just over the top gimmicks catering to their audiences. It is all about making money now.

I wouldn't conflate the Youtube accounts of DT and Troopz with the AFTV one. I agree DT and Troopz are there for show and do anything for attention. I watched a video on Troopz's channel earlier today and I can see where you're coming from when you say there is a TV show vibe to it. However, what Troopz and DT put on their accounts has nothing to do with AFTV.

Don't how much you've seen of TY, do you think he's actually really deluded or just a poor actor?

 

[shaykh]

Stopped reading when you said talkSPORT and AFTV function the same way. Not they do not - talkSPORT is not affiliated with or claims to support any club; AFTV is a platform for Arsenal fans.

talkSPORT making money out of venting fans is completely different to AFTV making money out of Arsenal’s demise.

Robbie didn’t own anybody. His laughable excuse for AFTV milking Arsenal’s struggles is that they also get views when Arsenal win.

AFTV makes money out of the struggles of the club they apparently support. You cannot get lower than that.

They are platforms for fans to vent and discuss their clubs ...

That Robbie profits off losses as it’s often put has no relevance to your statement...which is they are Arsenal’s biggest problem ...

Let’s list the problems that aren’t Arteta ...

The players
The board
The fans
AFTV

Anything missing?

 

[topspin]

They are platforms for fans to vent and discuss their clubs ...

That Robbie profits off losses as it’s often put has no relevance to your statement...which is they are Arsenal’s biggest problem ...

Let’s list the problems that aren’t Arteta ...

The players
The board
The fans
AFTV

Anything missing?

It will be the mascot next

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Arsenal-City tonight. Arteta probably has the excel sheet and calculator out as we speak and is working out the percentage chance of a win.

 

[PetroDollars]

They are platforms for fans to vent and discuss their clubs ...

That Robbie profits off losses as it’s often put has no relevance to your statement...which is they are Arsenal’s biggest problem ...

Let’s list the problems that aren’t Arteta ...

The players
The board
The fans
AFTV

Anything missing?

The kit - fabric is poor quality, puts the players off

The weather - Too cold for these players, how is Arteta suppose to manage them in such weather conditions.

 

[shaykh]

The kit - fabric is poor quality, puts the players off

The weather - Too cold for these players, how is Arteta suppose to manage them in such weather conditions.

Lol one of my favourite AFTV moments was Ty blaming the rain for their defeat

 

[shaykh]

It will be the mascot next

Lol so Mamoon what did you think of the sacking of Gunnersaurus? ..l

 

[shaykh]

Arsenal-City tonight. Arteta probably has the excel sheet and calculator out as we speak and is working out the percentage chance of a win.

He’s channeling his inner Scott Steiner:

“ You know, they say all men are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Samoa Joe, and you can see that statement is not true! See, normally if you go one-on-one with another wrestler, you got a 50-50 chance of winnin’.

But I’m a genetic freak, and I’m not normal, so you got a 25% at best at beatin’ me! And then you add Kurt Angle to the mix? Your chances of winnin’ drastically go down. See the three-way, at Sacrifice, you got a 33 1/3 chance of wiinnin’. But I, I got a 66 2/3 chance of winning, cause Kurt Angle KNOWS he can’t beat me, and he’s not even gonna try!

So, Samoa Joe, you take your 33 1/3 chance, minus my 25% chance, and you got an 8 1/3 chance of winnin’ at Sacrifice! But then you take my 75% chance at winnin’, if we was to go one-on-one, and to add 66 2/3 %, I got a 141 2/3 chance of winnin at Sacrifice! See, McJoe; the numbers don’t lie, and they spell disaster for you at Sacrifice! “

 

[KingKhanWC]

Arsenal v Man City EFL Cup tonight.

I have no idea what is Arsenals best team but it seems the manager is playing around again with XI.

Cant see them beating City.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Arsenal 0-1 Man City

Who is this Arsenal keeper? lol

 

[Rana]

Losing again at home.

The club is in disarray

 

[Rana]

Man City C Team killing an Arsenal side that could be a starting XI for a premier league match

 

[Saj]

In the first half against Man City, Arsenal weren't too bad I thought they competed well with the opponents.

However the second half has been men against boys.

 

[shaykh]

Can predict Mamoon’s reaction ...

All the keepers fault ...

 

[IMMY69]

Everything started to go downhill after we sold Martinez

 

[shaykh]

Everything started to go downhill after we sold Martinez

Leno has arguably been your best post Wenger signing ...I’m a Villa fan ...Emi has been outstanding for us no doubt...but you actually have a quality keeper too ...he’s the least of your problems ...

 

[IMMY69]

Leno has arguably been your best post Wenger signing ...I’m a Villa fan ...Emi has been outstanding for us no doubt...but you actually have a quality keeper too ...he’s the least of your problems ...

I appreciate that and of course there's so much more wrong at my club. However, Martinez played a massive part in our two cup victories and his win loss ratio was superb... he obviously had a good impact in our defence too..
I just felt it was wrong to sell him.

 

[shaykh]

I appreciate that and of course there's so much more wrong at my club. However, Martinez played a massive part in our two cup victories and his win loss ratio was superb... he obviously had a good impact in our defence too..
I just felt it was wrong to sell him.

Well you would have kept him if you gave him what he wanted ...lucky for us you didn’t ...

 

[shaykh]

I appreciate that and of course there's so much more wrong at my club. However, Martinez played a massive part in our two cup victories and his win loss ratio was superb... he obviously had a good impact in our defence too..
I just felt it was wrong to sell him.

One thing I’ve noticed about Emi since he’s been here is what an excellent team man he is ...

I understand as well that he was pivotal in helping Martinelli settle in...Martinelli’s ‘big brother’...

If you do go down I hope we can snap him up ...

Sadly for you much like Emi your best assets in terms of making money are likely the players you want to keep ...wouldn’t be surprised to see someone snap up Saka if you go down ...

 

[shaykh]

Rumours that Balogun is going to leave ...I would too if Nketiah constantly played ahead of me ...

Arsenal does have a habit of losing some quality young talent ...Gnabry, Reine-Adelaide, Bennacer, Malen, Szczesny...even watching Brentford Da Silva looks quality ...

 

[Mamoon]

Leno is overrated. I have never felt secure with him in goal because although he can make some stunning saves, there is always a mistake in him and he is not dominant in the air.

Martinez appears to be more assured and mentally stronger. He is also very dominant when it comes to cross and high balls.

I would personally have kept him over Leno. Simply a much better character with better presence.

Leno is the type of guy who would hand in a transfer request in a few years anyway. Martinez could have spent his entire career at this club if he was given the assure that he is the new number 1.

He really loved the club and fought very hard for very long to get his chance.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol so Mamoon what did you think of the sacking of Gunnersaurus? ..l

Classless act by the club. However, I am sure you would happily believe that it was Arteta’s call.

 

[uberkoen]

I'm loving this. All those glory hunting Arsenal fans in Pakistan from back in the 90's are quickly switching teams lol

 

[shaykh]

Classless act by the club. However, I am sure you would happily believe that it was Arteta’s call.

Nope...for that it’s the board...and in that sense I really hope you do get relegated ...it’s nice karma ...tbh I’m surprised you haven’t used it as an excuse...it’s a good one...Arsenal players take pay cut to protect jobs and aforementioned jobs are lost anyway ...and then you sign Willian ...

Partey and Gabriel are signings based on the findings of those you sacked while your other signings are either from Kia or from recommendations eg Mari and Runarsson ...so yesterday was beautiful karma for doing the unprofessional thing and finding a keeper based on a recommendation from a coach ...

Runarsson actually has deleted his Twitter after the tirade of abuse he received yesterday ...you gonna accept that your messiah was wrong to pick him?...how is it he couldn’t see such incompetence?...the part I do slightly agree with you on is your fans are terrible ...hounding a guy out of his depth...but then it’s the same fan base where some grown men sent messages to Xhaka’s pregnant wife saying they hope she’d have a miscarriage ...But that’s not AFTV...that’s your delusions of grandeur where you believe you’re a better club than you are...16 years of mediocrity and you guys still haven’t worked out you’re not big anymore ...

Relegation might humble your fanbase

 

[Mamoon]

I'm loving this. All those glory hunting Arsenal fans in Pakistan from back in the 90's are quickly switching teams lol

Pretty much every single fan in Pakistan, India and basically outside the UK is a glory hunter. The only reason they started to support Arsenal, Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea and now recently Man City is because they were successful.

No wonder you don’t have any West Brom or Sunderland fans in Pakistan or India.

 

[Mamoon]

Nope...for that it’s the board...and in that sense I really hope you do get relegated ...it’s nice karma ...tbh I’m surprised you haven’t used it as an excuse...it’s a good one...Arsenal players take pay cut to protect jobs and aforementioned jobs are lost anyway ...and then you sign Willian ...

Partey and Gabriel are signings based on the findings of those you sacked while your other signings are either from Kia or from recommendations eg Mari and Runarsson ...so yesterday was beautiful karma for doing the unprofessional thing and finding a keeper based on a recommendation from a coach ...

Runarsson actually has deleted his Twitter after the tirade of abuse he received yesterday ...you gonna accept that your messiah was wrong to pick him?...how is it he couldn’t see such incompetence?...the part I do slightly agree with you on is your fans are terrible ...hounding a guy out of his depth...but then it’s the same fan base where some grown men sent messages to Xhaka’s pregnant wife saying they hope she’d have a miscarriage ...But that’s not AFTV...that’s your delusions of grandeur where you believe you’re a better club than you are...16 years of mediocrity and you guys still haven’t worked out you’re not big anymore ...

Relegation might humble your fanbase

Arsenal is still a big club. It is still bigger than everyone in England except the other big 5, and it’s name still commands respect and prestige and will continue to do as long as it remains one of the most successful clubs in English football.

The decline of the past 10-15 years doesn’t change the fact that Arsenal is still the third most successful club in English football.

The only set of fans that need to be humbled are Aston Villa fans. Aston Villa is a fantastic, historic club with proper spirit of English football, but some of their fans have their heads in the clouds these days because they have a £100m player on their ranks and put 7 past Liverpool.

Arsenal will not get relegated, not in a million years. The days of massive clubs getting relegated are gone. Moreover, things change in football very quickly.

Unlike the other 99% of clubs in England, all Arsenal needs is a few good years and a few good windows to be challenging for the title again. Things change very quickly in football especially for major clubs who have the resources.

Arsenal now have the money but they need to back the right manager and improve their transfer policy. I believe Arteta is the right manager and he will turn things around if he is backed in the market.

 

[shaykh]

Arsenal is still a big club. It is still bigger than everyone in England except the other big 5, and it’s name still commands respect and prestige and will continue to do as long as it remains one of the most successful clubs in English football.

The decline of the past 10-15 years doesn’t change the fact that Arsenal is still the third most successful club in English football.

The only set of fans that need to be humbled are Aston Villa fans. Aston Villa is a fantastic, historic club with proper spirit of English football, but some of their fans have their heads in the clouds these days because they have a £100m player on their ranks and put 7 past Liverpool.

Arsenal will not get relegated, not in a million years. The days of massive clubs getting relegated are gone. Moreover, things change in football very quickly.

Unlike the other 99% of clubs in England, all Arsenal needs is a few good years and a few good windows to be challenging for the title again. Things change very quickly in football especially for major clubs who have the resources.

Arsenal now have the money but they need to back the right manager and improve their transfer policy. I believe Arteta is the right manager and he will turn things around if he is backed in the market.

No side is too big to go down ...the Leeds side that got relegated was better than yours ...

And ‘big’ club is meaningless as of now...your history doesn’t matter one iota just as our champions league win in 82 doesn’t impact now...it’s 16 years since you won a title and a 5th straight season of Europa league ...you just don’t have the pull that you had before...that’s why you had to pay Partey 250k a week...

As a Villa fan it’s trajectory ...I’ve lived through us being a top 5 side...the 2010s when Young left and we started a steep decline, got relegated and over the last 3 seasons have shown a positive trajectory under excellent ownership ...there’s no reason as of now to feel that we won’t continue to improve ...

You’re a side on a steep decline ...and have given the role of fixing that to a novice who is out of his depth ...if you survive this season which isn’t a given then you may well get relegated soon ...I guess you haven’t seen that youre a loss making club now ...who have declined financially also ...and from top to bottom you’re a shambles ...an owner who is uninvolved and unqualified staff running everything ...giving Arteta the keys to the kingdom is a consequence of this mismanagement of the club ...

 

[uberkoen]

Pretty much every single fan in Pakistan, India and basically outside the UK is a glory hunter. The only reason they started to support Arsenal, Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea and now recently Man City is because they were successful.

No wonder you don’t have any West Brom or Sunderland fans in Pakistan or India.

Liverpool was successful in the 90's? That's news to me. What did they win during that time?

 

[Mamoon]

Liverpool was successful in the 90's? That's news to me. What did they win during that time?

Lol, having a bad decade doesn’t make you a small team. Liverpool were still a massive club in the 90’s because of the dominance that they had in the 70’s and 80’s. They were the most successful club in English football.

If the 80’s and 70’s didn’t happen, and Liverpool wasn’t the most successful club in English football, it is highly unlikely that you would have become a Liverpool fan in the 90’s, so it is a bit rich for you to mock others as glory hunters.

 

[Mamoon]

No side is too big to go down ...the Leeds side that got relegated was better than yours ...

And ‘big’ club is meaningless as of now...your history doesn’t matter one iota just as our champions league win in 82 doesn’t impact now...it’s 16 years since you won a title and a 5th straight season of Europa league ...you just don’t have the pull that you had before...that’s why you had to pay Partey 250k a week...

As a Villa fan it’s trajectory ...I’ve lived through us being a top 5 side...the 2010s when Young left and we started a steep decline, got relegated and over the last 3 seasons have shown a positive trajectory under excellent ownership ...there’s no reason as of now to feel that we won’t continue to improve ...

You’re a side on a steep decline ...and have given the role of fixing that to a novice who is out of his depth ...if you survive this season which isn’t a given then you may well get relegated soon ...I guess you haven’t seen that youre a loss making club now ...who have declined financially also ...and from top to bottom you’re a shambles ...an owner who is uninvolved and unqualified staff running everything ...giving Arteta the keys to the kingdom is a consequence of this mismanagement of the club ...

Leeds was never bigger than Arsenal lol.

As I said, the days of massive clubs going down are long gone. Arsenal will never get relegated in a million years, and if they do I would happily accept that Arteta is incompetent and should be sacked.

 

[shaykh]

Leeds was never bigger than Arsenal lol.

As I said, the days of massive clubs going down are long gone. Arsenal will never get relegated in a million years, and if they do I would happily accept that Arteta is incompetent and should be sacked.

So that’s your benchmark ...providing Arteta finishes 17th he should be kept on ...

I don’t get why you lol at the suggestion you could get relegated...it’s a very real possibility ...

Sheff Utd and West Brom are a cert for the first two spots ...

Fulham look like a decent team right now...robbed against Newcastle...deserved a win against Liverpool ...they are currently a better side than you ...

Burnley have just beaten you, drawn with us, and beaten Wolves...and they have a good manager...they aren’t going down ...

Brighton have an overrated manager ...and are a side whose finishing has let them down...but unlike you guys they actually create ...that said it wouldn’t surprise me if they went down ...

Your arrogance is so unfounded ...you have won 1 of your last 10 games...you have scored 4 goals in your last 10 games ...

You may well survive but what makes you think your chances of staying up are better than any of those sides above?...

 

[Mamoon]

So that’s your benchmark ...providing Arteta finishes 17th he should be kept on ...

I don’t get why you lol at the suggestion you could get relegated...it’s a very real possibility ...

Sheff Utd and West Brom are a cert for the first two spots ...

Fulham look like a decent team right now...robbed against Newcastle...deserved a win against Liverpool ...they are currently a better side than you ...

Burnley have just beaten you, drawn with us, and beaten Wolves...and they have a good manager...they aren’t going down ...

Brighton have an overrated manager ...and are a side whose finishing has let them down...but unlike you guys they actually create ...that said it wouldn’t surprise me if they went down ...

Your arrogance is so unfounded ...you have won 1 of your last 10 games...you have scored 4 goals in your last 10 games ...

You may well survive but what makes you think your chances of staying up are better than any of those sides above?...

Because if the current squad of Arsenal play to their potential, they will comfortably beat these sides. You are confusing current form with squad potential.

This Arsenal team is still top 10 material, but the problem is that they are woefully short on confidence. All they need is one win and they string a few together and climb up the table.

I know you are licking your lips at the prospects of Arsenal finishing 17th or below, but it will never happen.

I expect Arsenal to finish around 9 or 10 even if they don’t spend a penny in January.

Three of Sheffield, West Brom, Burnley, Brighton and Fulham will go down.

 

[Mamoon]

And finishing 9th or 10th is not the end of the world.

Liverpool finished 8 in 2015-16, Chelsea finished 10th.

It is all about how you build back from there. The anti-Arsenal agenda among fans of other clubs as well as the toxicity of AFTV are exacerbating the club’s problems.

The club needs to keep a cool head and not panic. Ignore the noise surrounding the club and focus on the task at hand.

 

[shaykh]

Because if the current squad of Arsenal play to their potential, they will comfortably beat these sides. You are confusing current form with squad potential.

This Arsenal team is still top 10 material, but the problem is that they are woefully short on confidence. All they need is one win and they string a few together and climb up the table.

I know you are licking your lips at the prospects of Arsenal finishing 17th or below, but it will never happen.

I expect Arsenal to finish around 9 or 10 even if they don’t spend a penny in January.

Three of Sheffield, West Brom, Burnley, Brighton and Fulham will go down.

If we won every game we would win the league ...if’s are not arguments ...

What signs are there that Arsenal will play to their ‘potential’?...

The arrogance is staggering...

 

[Mamoon]

If we won every game we would win the league ...if’s are not arguments ...

What signs are there that Arsenal will play to their ‘potential’?...

The arrogance is staggering...

Except that Aston Villa doesn’t remotely have the quality to win every game.

Arsenal has sufficient quality to win enough games over the remaining 24 matches to leapfrog the likes of Leeds, Newcastle, Crystal Palace, Aston Villa, West Ham etc. in the table.

This is not arrogance. Arrogance would be stating that Arsenal can still finish in the top 6 which obviously cannot happen.

Btw, it also an extremely arrogant suggestion that Arsenal are going to go down. Only non Arsenal fans with anti-Arsenal agenda and Arsenal fans with anti-Arteta agenda are making these ludicrous claims.

 

[shaykh]

Except that Aston Villa doesn’t remotely have the quality to win every game.

Arsenal has sufficient quality to win enough games over the remaining 24 matches to leapfrog the likes of Leeds, Newcastle, Crystal Palace, Aston Villa, West Ham etc. in the table.

This is not arrogance. Arrogance would be stating that Arsenal can still finish in the top 6 which obviously cannot happen.

Btw, it also an extremely arrogant suggestion that Arsenal are going to go down. Only non Arsenal fans with anti-Arsenal agenda and Arsenal fans with anti-Arteta agenda are making these ludicrous claims.

Not really ...your own fans without agenda or delusion respect the fact that being 15th, winning 2 of your last 10, barely creating chances every game means you are in a dogfight just like the clubs around you ...

So you’re confident you’re getting points against Chelsea and Brighton ?

 

[Mamoon]

Not really ...your own fans without agenda or delusion respect the fact that being 15th, winning 2 of your last 10, barely creating chances every game means you are in a dogfight just like the clubs around you ...

So you’re confident you’re getting points against Chelsea and Brighton ?

I am confident that the club will win enough games over the remaining 24 matches to finish 9th or 10th.

Arsenal is and not and never will be in a “relegation dogfight”. You can keep dreaming.

 

[shaykh]

I am confident that the club will win enough games over the remaining 24 matches to finish 9th or 10th.

Arsenal is and not and never will be in a “relegation dogfight”. You can keep dreaming.

You’re in one now...

 

[uberkoen]

Lol, having a bad decade doesn’t make you a small team. Liverpool were still a massive club in the 90’s because of the dominance that they had in the 70’s and 80’s. They were the most successful club in English football.

If the 80’s and 70’s didn’t happen, and Liverpool wasn’t the most successful club in English football, it is highly unlikely that you would have become a Liverpool fan in the 90’s, so it is a bit rich for you to mock others as glory hunters.

I think you need to look up the definition of glory hunters, mate.

 

[IMMY69]

Glory hunters??

Far far too many for my liking...but the big clubs went after these fans.. they want to sell their merchandise and have world wide viewership so why blame these fans now?

Personally, l've lived in north London for pretty much all of my life and for me it was being taken to Highbury as a 6 year old that won my heart.
Proud to say that my entire family are gooners... When we win we celebrate and when we lose we get angry, some cry, but we all come out and criticise... come the next game and we're hooked to the tv or radio... if not for COVID some us would be watching in the stadium.

 

[Firebat]

West Brom boss Sam Allardyce says Arsenal are a relegation rival

West Bromwich Albion boss Sam Allardyce says he considers Arsenal a relegation rival.

The Gunners' poor start to the season sees them in 15th place and just four points above the bottom three.

West Brom are 19th, seven points behind Mikel Arteta's side.

Asked if he saw Arsenal as a rival in the battle for Premier League survival, Allardyce said: "If they are in the bottom eight at the moment, yes. Absolutely."

Arsenal suffered their third defeat in four games on Tuesday night as they were beaten 4-1 by Manchester City in the quarter-finals of the Carabao Cup.

Allardyce added: "Getting beaten [by Manchester City], even though it is not in the Premier League, as it would do with ours, drains the confidence of Arsenal's players.

"They will be wondering what has hit them. They will be wondering why they are down there. They will be wondering what it takes to get out of that position. I know what it takes. I hope to convince my players to respond to that."

West Brom host Arsenal in the Premier League on 2 January and Allardyce is confident his side can take advantage of their opponent's poor form and get a much-needed win in their battle for survival.

"I hope we can push at Arsenal, when we play them, because they have a lack of confidence," he said.

"We will try to beat them, or anybody in the bottom eight."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55427944

 

[Firebat]

Big Sam and his big mouth back in the EPL )

Only rivals West Brom need to worry about are the ones in the championship

 

[shaykh]

Football London’s latest article is quite damning ...

Saliba arrived this season but hasn’t been told why he isnt playing ...
His clip with Laca shows too that he wants to play ...

What then becomes quite shameful is the use of his mother dying ...this was leaked as a reason why Saliba wasn’t ready to play ...which took heat off his non-selection...extremely tasteless as it’s stated that Saliba has wanted to play since he returned...

On thing that this will effect going forward is young players aren’t going to want to go to Arsenal anymore...Saliba, Guendouzi ...Balogun leaving, ESR not playing ...

Arsenal used to be a really attractive club for young players ...most certainly not now...

 

[Firebat]

Mikel Arteta says Arsenal's next three fixtures could define their season

Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta says the next week is going to be crucial in ensuring his side is not dragged into an unexpected relegation battle.

The Gunners have managed one victory in their past 10 Premier League games, a run which has seen them slide down the Premier League table to 15th position.

"I don't make any excuses," said Arteta, who succeeded the sacked Unai Emery in December 2019.

The 38-year-old Spaniard retains the backing of the Arsenal hierarchy.

The Gunners host Chelsea on Saturday and then face trips to two of the sides below them - Brighton, whose only home win in 2020 came against Arsenal last season, and West Brom.

Asked whether the next week is important if his side are to avoid becoming serious relegation candidates, Arteta said: "Yes, absolutely. The next seven to eight days are going to be crucial to see where we're going to be heading to in the Premier League."

After ending last season by winning the FA Cup, then beginning this one by lifting the Community Shield, winning three of the opening four league games and beating Leicester and Liverpool away from home in the Carabao Cup, Arsenal's campaign has nosedived.

West Brom boss Sam Allardyce said on Wednesday he regarded the Gunners as a rival at the bottom of the table.

Arteta said: "I have been very clear in many moments that we are losing football matches. It is my responsibility to put that right and, regardless of what happens, it's been us that have let ourselves down and it's down to us to change that."

Saturday's opponents Chelsea responded to losing last season's FA Cup final to Arsenal by spending £200m on new players.

In addition, Frank Lampard's side won at Emirates Stadium in 2019-20 and have lost only twice in their past nine Premier League visits.

"In this moment, you're probably talking about the strongest squad in the Premier League and a team that is going to be fighting for the top spot for sure," said Arteta.

"What they did seems to be working fine and at the moment we are not there."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55428796

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Today’s lineups.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Dream first half for Arsenal.

 

[The Viper]

HT: Arsenal 2-0 Chelsea

Excellent half from Arsenal, a penalty from Lacazette and a Xhaka freekick give them the lead.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Arsenal winning and no Robbie or DT on AFTV...Whats going on??!!

 

[Rana]

Why can’t they play with this intensity every game at home?

 

[Mamoon]

The first small step to revival.

“Relegation dogfight”

 

[Saj]

That's more like it.

A much better performance from Arsenal with the young players brought in particularly impressive.

 

[IMMY69]

Why can’t they play with this intensity every game at home?

Youngsters done it for us.

I've been screaming out for the youngsters to be played...

Anyway, much needed victory.
Phew

 

[Rana]

Martinelli and Saka are special talents.

Easily worth £70m+ each in the current market.

 

[Rana]

Youngsters done it for us.

I've been screaming out for the youngsters to be played...

Anyway, much needed victory.
Phew

They had to really lift their game today against a proper opponent, they did so. Also they were very close to bottling it again in the last 10 minutes. Big save by Leno saved them from a nail biting end (and you can bet they would have conceded the 3rd also)

Overall. They need to play every game at home with this intensity, not become complacent and just let the mediocre teams settle down and score one or two cheap goals which become unassailable for them.

 

[topspin]

The first small step to revival.

“Relegation dogfight”

If you're right in having this leap of faith with Arteta then kudos to you.

I'm delighted with this result.

 

[Mamoon]

If you're right in having this leap of faith with Arteta then kudos to you.

I'm delighted with this result.

He will get Arsenal back into the top 4 soon. Keep the faith.

 

[topspin]

He will get Arsenal back into the top 4 soon. Keep the faith.

I really hope we can win Europa. The only real threats I see are Spurs and Man U. If we can somehow overcome one or both as required, we will win the trophy and secure Champions League next season.

But, he cannot be naive like he was against that Greek side last season.