Arsenal FC | 2022/23 Season

[Amjid Javed]

It's about having depth so we can rotate players. Arsenal need to play their best team in the PL and UCL so signing Rice and Caicedo is exactly what we needed and this is evident by Arterta's recent admission, when he came out and said that there is a lack of physical presence and suitable leadership figures in midfield.

You take partey out of Arsenal team or he's out of form their is zero physical presence in Arsenal's midfield. That's one of main reasons Arsenal got exposed in last 9 games of the season.

Jorghino, xhaka, oddegard got schooled against Brighton because they are poor in regards to mobility and also winning ball back. Plenty of teams in CL technically take apart such midfields.

Arteta basically just keeps copying things that Pep has tried few years before. Arteta wants to play with a six and 2 eights, problem is partey isn't as mobile or as good as Rodri. Gudogan / benardo aren't just technically good, they are physically strong as well. Whilst Arteta wants two pretty weak and feeble number 8s which just get bullied against physically and technically better players. That's why City always smash Arsenal.

Until Arsenal have a powerful and technically combined players they will keep falling short.

 

[Firebat]

Arsenal transfer news: Declan Rice, Kai Havertz talks positive as Gunners keep eye on Moises Caicedo

Arsenal remain in talks with West Ham and Chelsea over the signings of Declan Rice and Kai Havertz.

Although there is a gap in valuation with regard to both deals, negotiations have been described as positive.

West Ham rejected Arsenal's opening offer for Rice thought to be worth £80m plus add-ons earlier this week as the Gunners approached Chelsea about signing Havertz.

There is a growing feeling that both players want to move to Arsenal.

Mikel Arteta could face competition for Rice with Manchester City monitoring the England midfielder's situation. Manchester United are also interested but it is thought they will only make a bid if they have new owners.

West Ham want £120m for their captain though would accept a lower offer that includes players going to them.

Arsenal's pursuit of Havertz, 24, could be further complicated by interest from Bayern Munich.

Sky in Germany are reporting that the German champions have changed their mind and Havertz is now on their transfer shortlist this summer.

Reports had suggested Arsenal were targeting Southampton's Romeo Lavia, leaving Chelsea a clear path to go after Moises Caicedo, however Sky Sports News has been told the Gunners are keeping an eye on the Brighton midfielder.

Arsenal, though, are prioritising the transfers of Rice and Havertz.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...ositive-as-gunners-keep-eye-on-moises-caicedo

 

[Amjid Javed]

The fact Arsenal haven't let xhaka leave yet. Shows the club has no confidence in getting a replacement in, if they did xhaka would be gone now.

 

[Mamoon]

West ham rejected Arsenal's 1st low ball insulting offer, no surprise when edu and Arsenal act like a small club.

It is called negotiating. Look it up.

Chelsea offered £60m for Caicedo even though Brighton are asking for £100m and rejected Arsenal’s £80m bid in January.

However, no one is labeling Chelsea’s offer “insulting”. Apparently, this narrative is for Arsenal only. They are expected to immediately pay whatever the other club is demanding for.

 

[Amjid Javed]

It is called negotiating. Look it up.

Chelsea offered £60m for Caicedo even though Brighton are asking for £100m and rejected Arsenal’s £80m bid in January.

However, no one is labeling Chelsea’s offer “insulting”. Apparently, this narrative is for Arsenal only. They are expected to immediately pay whatever the other club is demanding for.

Negotiationing .

West ham asked for 100M and wanted it in to installments.

Arsenal offered 80M + poor add ons and wanted to pay it in 6 installments

That's called penny pinching and being pathetic.

West ham overs are Karen Brady and David sullivan who are proper successful business people and they called the bid insulting

But you will always defend the clowns running the club no matter what, because your just as clueless

 

[Amjid Javed]

Adding Rice while keeping Partey means Arsenal are improving depth considerably. If Partey leaves, they will sign a young CM/DM. In addition, there is an outside chance of convincing Gundogan to join (although his priority is Barcelona) so depth will not be an issue next season.

Maddison is a good player but he doesn’t have elite potential which Havertz does. At no point in his career did she show the quality that Havertz did at Leverkusen.

He is also not someone who will interest the likes of Bayern and Madrid. I would happily take him as a squad player if ESR or Nelson were leaving but if it is a choice between him and Maddison, it is an easy one. Havertz any day because you can have a proper world class player on your hands.

Maddison has proven himself quality player in PL in last 2 seasons and has more G/A in those 2 seasons then oddegard who most Arsenal fan gey over excited over.

Havertz has flopped 3 seasons in a row in PL.

But because havertz had 1 good season in German league that makes him better then a PL proven player comedy at its finest

Go watch havertz latest disaster class playing for Germany.

Then again your someone who thinks players like Athur melo and fabio Vieira are good

Comedy gem after Comedy gem from you with weird clueless logic as well.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal are in the driving seat to sign Kai Havertz & are preparing to increase their offer. They believe that £60m will convince Chelsea to sell. Arsenal are looking for more depth up front & are ready to match his current wages, which are around £220k-a-week, offering Havertz a fresh start after a difficult season at Stamford Bridge.

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So basically 60M for a PL flop and paying him over 200K a week.

So just replacing pepe with another garbage player who when he flops they won't get anywhere near 60M they paid and no one will want to pak his 220K wages.

Another trophyless season on its way for the 2 clowns edu and Arteta

 

[topspin]

It is called negotiating. Look it up.

Chelsea offered £60m for Caicedo even though Brighton are asking for £100m and rejected Arsenal’s £80m bid in January.

However, no one is labeling Chelsea’s offer “insulting”. Apparently, this narrative is for Arsenal only. They are expected to immediately pay whatever the other club is demanding for.

Speaking on the Chasing Green Arrows Podcast, Graeme Bailey claims Rice were left bit shocked by Arsenal low-key offer, but he the player still wants to join Arsenal. Bailey further stated :-

“From what we’re hearing we know that Rice’s people were a little bit shocked at the level Arsenal decided to go in at. As you say Dean, he still wants to go to Arsenal and Arsenal are still the favourites to get him. They are his first choice, that’s the main thing here, and he’s let that be known”

https://sixsports.in/people-are-in-shock-claims-journalist-about-arsenal-and-rice/

 

[topspin]

You take partey out of Arsenal team or he's out of form their is zero physical presence in Arsenal's midfield. That's one of main reasons Arsenal got exposed in last 9 games of the season.

Jorghino, xhaka, oddegard got schooled against Brighton because they are poor in regards to mobility and also winning ball back. Plenty of teams in CL technically take apart such midfields.

Arteta basically just keeps copying things that Pep has tried few years before. Arteta wants to play with a six and 2 eights, problem is partey isn't as mobile or as good as Rodri. Gudogan / benardo aren't just technically good, they are physically strong as well. Whilst Arteta wants two pretty weak and feeble number 8s which just get bullied against physically and technically better players. That's why City always smash Arsenal.

Until Arsenal have a powerful and technically combined players they will keep falling short.

Exactly this.

I was somewhat appalled by Arterta's reluctance to rotate his midfield and tailor his team selection and formation based on the opposition. He's been exposed for his lack of plan B, as you've been saying for a while.

Why was Xhaka made to look irreplaceable? You could try out Zinchenko, Jorgino, Trossard and ESR, who're all far better than Vieira in this position. Zinchenko is a proper CAM. Tierney is better than him at LB. Why didn't Arteta try this out?

This is why I'm glad Xhaka is gone because he wasn't playing on merit but more to do with the fact that he was one of the three golden boys in the side. Did you hear that Arteta reluctantly let him leave? I mean if I was coaching him, I'd be thinking good riddance.

Speaking of Jorgino in particular, why wasn't he given more game time? Whilst he was brought in as a stock gap solution, he was playing well for us. Partey should've been rested at times towards the end of the season.

 

[Mamoon]

Speaking on the Chasing Green Arrows Podcast, Graeme Bailey claims Rice were left bit shocked by Arsenal low-key offer, but he the player still wants to join Arsenal. Bailey further stated :-

“From what we’re hearing we know that Rice’s people were a little bit shocked at the level Arsenal decided to go in at. As you say Dean, he still wants to go to Arsenal and Arsenal are still the favourites to get him. They are his first choice, that’s the main thing here, and he’s let that be known”

https://sixsports.in/people-are-in-shock-claims-journalist-about-arsenal-and-rice/

Rice’s representatives have no reason to be shocked. As long as Rice doesn’t hand in a transfer request and doesn’t pressurize West Ham to sell him, these things will happen.

Arsenal will not immediately pay what West Ham demand and West Ham can afford to be uncompromising because Rice is not pressurizing them.

Ultimately, this deal will go through and they will find a middle ground. Rice would already have been an Arsenal player if Rice would pressurize West Ham which he will not because he loves and respects them too much.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Exactly this.

I was somewhat appalled by Arterta's reluctance to rotate his midfield and tailor his team selection and formation based on the opposition. He's been exposed for his lack of plan B, as you've been saying for a while.

Why was Xhaka made to look irreplaceable? You could try out Zinchenko, Jorgino, Trossard and ESR, who're all far better than Vieira in this position. Zinchenko is a proper CAM. Tierney is better than him at LB. Why didn't Arteta try this out?

This is why I'm glad Xhaka is gone because he wasn't playing on merit but more to do with the fact that he was one of the three golden boys in the side. Did you hear that Arteta reluctantly let him leave? I mean if I was coaching him, I'd be thinking good riddance.

Speaking of Jorgino in particular, why wasn't he given more game time? Whilst he was brought in as a stock gap solution, he was playing well for us. Partey should've been rested at times towards the end of the season.

Xhaka hasn't been let go yet! Why? Because Arsenal don't have faith they will get a replacement in. Supposedly xhaka deal is on hold, why not just let him go. But the club's scared they might b*lls up the recruitment of replacements.

100% their is no plan B, it's always like for like changes even with his subs. Why was a midfield of partey / jorghino never used as a double pivot. Vieira comes in and replaces xhaka, was useless and never picked again. ESR given no game time, then when 3-0 down to City is brought on. Its p*ss poor squad and I'm game management.

Look at game at Anfield it was tailor made for Jorginho to come on in the 2nd half and slow game down and regain control of midfield. Instead Arteta went to a back 3 and let Liverpool have the ball and just let Robertson and TAA (2 of best crosses of the ball) to keep putting crosses in which eventually lead to a goal.

Why didn't jorghino play vs Southampton?

The persistence with Rob holding because he wanted a right and left footed CB, then when title was over decided two left footed CBs can be used.

Arteta is just trying to copy what Pep was doing 3 years ago with the midfield and a false number 9 etc.. Pep has moved on from that and got a proper number 9

Pep plays with inverted full backs, but the key thing is the players he picks are proper defenders who can win their duals. He also said after FA Cup final his defenders jobs are to defend.

John Stones and Kyle Walker are top defenders and good enough to play those roles. Laporte will be sold this summer and gavidol will come in and he will be taught the inverted LCB, the key fact is he's a top defender

What does Arteta do he picks / signs players like Tomiyasu is physically is atrocious and crychenko who can't defend.

At least if your going to Copy someone else's way of playing then buy players who can defend 1st.

Arteta is like a person who copies someone's work in an assessment and then fails the exam because the questions on the assignment have change on the exam.

Buy city and Chelsea rejects shows he's got zero talent ID.

If you look outside of the starting 11, apart from trossard the rest of the "back ups" have been atrocious

Runarrson, Turner, Tomiyasu, kiwor, holding, Eddie, Nelson, Vieira, jorghino, tavares, lakonga - these are all players either retained or signed by Arteta. It's no wonder we bottled all the cups and league when your identifying such garbage and now he wants havertz and castagne. The so called talent ID is a steaming pile of ****.

Also look at home many young stars we have at hale end, how many has Arteta brought through since he's been here?

Emery and ljungberg introduced saka and ESR, martinelli / saliba were Emery signings.

Eddie and Nelson haven't exactly been used regularly. All this hype that Arteta has brought through youth which he hadn't not a single hale end player being introduced 1st by Arteta is in the current squad. Just the token gesture of Ethan Nwaneri and his debut and now even he wants to leave.

Balogun and patino don't want to stay either.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Rice’s representatives have no reason to be shocked. As long as Rice doesn’t hand in a transfer request and doesn’t pressurize West Ham to sell him, these things will happen.

Arsenal will not immediately pay what West Ham demand and West Ham can afford to be uncompromising because Rice is not pressurizing them.

Ultimately, this deal will go through and they will find a middle ground. Rice would already have been an Arsenal player if Rice would pressurize West Ham which he will not because he loves and respects them too much.

According to you Rice is already in the bag. When the deal is hijacked by city because of Arsenal's usual dithering you will end up with more egg on your face.

The only bag of rice you will have then is basmati or uncle Ben's depending on what you buy from the supermarket *

 

[Mamoon]

PSG want Arteta but he has rejected their advances in spite of his history with the club. He is an Arsenal man through and through.

He is the best young manager in the world and Arsenal are incredibly lucky to have him.

“Arsene built the Emirates but Arteta turned on the lights”

 

[Amjid Javed]

PSG want Arteta but he has rejected their advances in spite of his history with the club. He is an Arsenal man through and through.

He is the best young manager in the world and Arsenal are incredibly lucky to have him.

“Arsene built the Emirates but Arteta turned on the lights”

he would get sacked after a season at PSG, most big clubs don't tolerate managers who are bottle jobs.

 

[Firebat]

Kai Havertz: Arsenal in talks for Chelsea forward

Arsenal are still in talks with Chelsea over the signing of Kai Havertz.

Havertz, 24, has two years left on his contract and Arsenal hold an ongoing interest in the Germany forward.

The new ownership at Chelsea want to avoid letting players enter the final two years of their deals and Havertz, whose contract runs out in 2025, is yet to agree to an extension at the club.

It could be a busy summer at Arsenal, who are also pursuing a move for West Ham's England midfielder Declan Rice.

However, a move for the 24-year-old would not end the Gunners' interest in Brighton's Ecuador midfielder Moises Caicedo.

The 21-year-old has been on Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta's radar for some time, with Caicedo saying he was "really close" to signing for the north London club in January.

The club are yet to receive an offer for 30-year-old Swiss midfielder Granit Xhaka, but one player who could leave the Emirates this summer is USA striker Folarin Balogun.

The 21-year-old had an excellent season on loan at Ligue 1 club Reims, scoring 21 goals.

There is interest from across Europe and clubs in the lower half of the Premier League, with Arsenal willing to let the striker leave if a suitable offer comes in.

Arsenal head to Germany on 9 July for the start of their pre-season camp and would like some business to be done before that date.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65940566

 

[Amjid Javed]

Mikel Arteta & Edu are convinced Kai Havertz, who will be used as a versatile striker, is the perfect player for their attack after detailed analysis on the player. Havertz has agreed personal terms in principle & is convinced about the project at Arsenal.

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so havertz who has worse G/A then Jesus and Eddie is going to play as a striker. All 3 players are in top 5 worst strikers output last season.

What a disaster class from. Edu and fraudeta. 19 goals in 91 games.

The PL defenders will be sh*ting themselves at though of facing havertz

After detailed Analysis well done Fraudeta.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Understand there’s concrete chance for Thomas Partey to leave Arsenal this summer. Clubs are interested and there are discussions about his exit. #AFC

Current contract expiring in June 2025 and no talks to extend as of today.

Arsenal priority remains Declan Rice. (Fabrizio romano)

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The comedy squad building continues, so xhaka and partey will go *.

Arsenal will be scrapping 4 or 5th and another trophyless season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

PSG want Arteta but he has rejected their advances in spite of his history with the club. He is an Arsenal man through and through.

He is the best young manager in the world and Arsenal are incredibly lucky to have him.

“Arsene built the Emirates but Arteta turned on the lights”

It would be lights out for fraudeta soon, letting xhaka / partey go just highlighting his inability to build squad depth.

Arsenal ain't winning the league
The will be embarrassed in the CL
They won't win any cups either

 

[Amjid Javed]

Adding Rice while keeping Partey means Arsenal are improving depth considerably. If Partey leaves, they will sign a young CM/DM. In addition, there is an outside chance of convincing Gundogan to join (although his priority is Barcelona) so depth will not be an issue next .

Another comedy Gem - Arteta is selling xhaka and partey. So the so called depth will be elneny and jorghino, another disaster class squad building exercise by fraudeta.

What's point in having just a good 1st 11 when you can't build a squad.

Only shock is who is most clueless you, fraudeta or Edu.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

The fact Arsenal haven't let xhaka leave yet. Shows the club has no confidence in getting a replacement in, if they did xhaka would be gone now.

No official bids received for him yet.

He will go as Arteta has agreed to sell him but your assertion is ridiculous and points to a one-point agenda with regards to Arteta / Edu.

Doubt if even Spuds have such levels of hatred towards Arsenal.

 

[Mamoon]

Another comedy Gem - Arteta is selling xhaka and partey. So the so called depth will be elneny and jorghino, another disaster class squad building exercise by fraudeta.

What's point in having just a good 1st 11 when you can't build a squad.

Only shock is who is most clueless you, fraudeta or Edu.

If Partey leaves Arsenal will sign Romeo Lavia. Depth isn’t an issue in midfield. The main objective was to improve the first-team and that will happen with the acquisition of Rice and Havertz.

 

[Mamoon]

No official bids received for him yet.

He will go as Arteta has agreed to sell him but your assertion is ridiculous and points to a one-point agenda with regards to Arteta / Edu.

Doubt if even Spuds have such levels of hatred towards Arsenal.

He is an “Arsenal fan” who wants the club to fail so that he can troll Arteta and Edu and prove his point. You don’t need rival fans and haters when you have such “fans”.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If Partey leaves Arsenal will sign Romeo Lavia. Depth isn’t an issue in midfield. The main objective was to improve the first-team and that will happen with the acquisition of Rice and Havertz.

Havertz doesn't improve the 1st, a PL proven flop you really are delusional if you think havertz is better then any of our current 1st 12, nor does he's improve it. 19 goals and 7 Assists in 91 is sh*t.

Arsenal will have to play their strongest teams in PL and CL, that means you need to be able to rotate.

Comedy gem after gem from you.

 

[Amjid Javed]

He is an “Arsenal fan” who wants the club to fail so that he can troll Arteta and Edu and prove his point. You don’t need rival fans and haters when you have such “fans”.

I'm an Arsenal fan with high standards and don't support mediocrity and failure.

Under Arteta Arsenal have failed to make into europe for 1st time in 20 plus years, bottled europa league, bottled top 4 and bottled title.

But according to you he's best young manager because of all those pathetic achievements. Delusion at its finest

 

[Amjid Javed]

No official bids received for him yet.

He will go as Arteta has agreed to sell him but your assertion is ridiculous and points to a one-point agenda with regards to Arteta / Edu.

Doubt if even Spuds have such levels of hatred towards Arsenal.

Leverkusen already have an agreement in place for xhaka. Get your facts straight before posting such nonsense. Only assertion here is that your as clueless as Mamoon.

 

[Mamoon]

Leverkusen already have an agreement in place for xhaka. Get your facts straight before posting such nonsense. Only assertion here is that you’re as clueless as Mamoon.

Leverkusen have agreed personal terms with Xhaka. They are yet to submit an official bid to Arsenal.

They have had talks but they haven’t made an offer yet. Please try to keep up with the news.

 

[Mamoon]

I'm an Arsenal fan with high standards and don't support mediocrity and failure.

Under Arteta Arsenal have failed to make into europe for 1st time in 20 plus years, bottled europa league, bottled top 4 and bottled title.

But according to you he's best young manager because of all those pathetic achievements. Delusion at its finest

Arteta has turned Arsenal into title challengers. Since 2004-05 season, Arsenal have challenged for the title only twice (2007-08, 2015-16). The club is heading in the right direction, he has established a core of young players who will stay at the club for the long-term.

If you are too blind to see it it is your problem.

 

[Mamoon]

Havertz doesn't improve the 1st, a PL proven flop you really are delusional if you think havertz is better then any of our current 1st 12, nor does he's improve it. 19 goals and 7 Assists in 91 is sh*t.

Arsenal will have to play their strongest teams in PL and CL, that means you need to be able to rotate.

Comedy gem after gem from you.

Arsenal need a technical and creative player to replace Xhaka as a number 8. They also need to replace Partey with a stronger, fitter DM.

Havertz fits the ball as far as replacing Xhaka is concerned and Rice is a big upgrade on Partey. These two signings will significantly strengthen the team.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Leverkusen already have an agreement in place for xhaka. Get your facts straight before posting such nonsense. Only assertion here is that your as clueless as Mamoon.

The only clueless one here is you unfortunately.
There have been no bids for Xhaka, but you don’t care about that as you want to use anything to build a false narrative.

 

[Mamoon]

Depth won’t be a problem next season at all.

The club have made it clear that ESR is not for sale, Nelson has signed a new contract and the signing of Havertz would mean that him along with Trossard are two players who can play across the frontline and also deputize as advanced playmakers.

Rice, Jorginho, Elneny + a young CM is sufficient depth even if/when Xhaka and Partey leave.

In defense, there will be new acquisitions as well to replace/upgrade Holding etc.

All this criticism directed at Arteta and Edu is unwarranted. They are building a very versatile, powerful squad capable of mounting another title challenge and handling multiple competitions.

The signings of Trossard and Jorginho addressed a lot of issues surrounding squad depth and now the priority is to upgrade the first-team which is happening.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Arsenal need a technical and creative player to replace Xhaka as a number 8. They also need to replace Partey with a stronger, fitter DM.

Havertz fits the ball as far as replacing Xhaka is concerned and Rice is a big upgrade on Partey. These two signings will significantly strengthen the team.

Havertz has been grossly misused by Chelsea.
Saw enough of him at Leverkusen to conclude that he is a high potential player if managed correctly.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta has turned Arsenal into title challengers. Since 2004-05 season, Arsenal have challenged for the title only twice (2007-08, 2015-16). The club is heading in the right direction, he has established a core of young players who will stay at the club for the long-term.

If you are too blind to see it it is your problem.

2 wins from 8 games in title race, Arteta proven bottle job when it mattered. His lack of plan B was exposed as well as his pathetic in game management and squad rotation.

Who is the biggest fraud Fraudeta or mamoon.

Maybe we should have a poll,

Oh title was in bag in February you never learn, egg on your face which your still wiping off.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Havertz has been grossly misused by Chelsea.
Saw enough of him at Leverkusen to conclude that he is a high potential player if managed correctly.

) misused hilarious . Both lampard and tuchel used him as a key player in team and he failed. 19 goals in 91 games.

Mamoon now using 2 accounts to post the same garbage.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Rice, Jorginho, Elneny + a young CM is sufficient depth even if/when Xhaka and Partey leave.

again talking utter sh*t. Jorginho was under used by Arteta after January. He had a few good games and a few bad ones. Elneny is mediocre as they come. So basically Arsenal have 4 CM in terms of numbers which they had last season.

Arteta proved last season who can't be trusted to rotate, that's why Arsensl bottled all the cups and the PL.

Go seek medical attention for your delusion as your talk garbage again.

Of Jorginho was that good when did Arsensl bottle the league after he joined you

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal need a technical and creative player to replace Xhaka as a number 8. They also need to replace Partey with a stronger, fitter DM.

Havertz fits the ball as far as replacing Xhaka is concerned and Rice is a big upgrade on Partey. These two signings will significantly strengthen the team.

Havertz replacing xhaka .

Havertz who is poor physically, doesn't track back and his creative stats are atrocious. Arsenal will get bullied physically with this clown in midfield.
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Each one of your posts is more then the last.

 

[Amjid Javed]

PSG want Arteta but he has rejected their advances in spite of his history with the club. He is an Arsenal man through and through.

He is the best young manager in the world and Arsenal are incredibly lucky to have him.

“Arsene built the Emirates but Arteta turned on the lights”

PSG want Nagelsmann and it collapsed, then now will get proven winners in Luis Enrique. Then never wanted a proven failure in Arteta. PSG already are bottle jobs in Europe when would appoint a proven clown in Arteta who was embarrassed 3 times in the europa league. Arsenal's most humiliating defeats in Europe.

Again your silly hilarious fantasise, stop over hyping garbage.

 

[Amjid Javed]

The only clueless one here is you unfortunately.
There have been no bids for Xhaka, but you don’t care about that as you want to use anything to build a false narrative.

13M deal has already been agreed. Go login under your other alias Mamoon.

Pathetic, that uve decided to make a 2nd account to post same repetitive copy paste rubbish.

 

[Mamoon]

Havertz has been grossly misused by Chelsea.
Saw enough of him at Leverkusen to conclude that he is a high potential player if managed correctly.

He is such an elegant and technical player. I really wanted Arsenal to sign him in 2018-19 when it was clear that Ozil was done.

Havertz is primarily a playmaker not a forward, him and Odegaard linking up will be fantastic. He is going to create a truckload of chances in this Arsenal team.

 

[Amjid Javed]

He is such an elegant and technical player. I really wanted Arsenal to sign him in 2018-19 when it was clear that Ozil was done.

Havertz is primarily a playmaker not a forward, him and Odegaard linking up will be fantastic. He is going to create a truckload of chances in this Arsenal team.

a player with one of worst creativity stats in 3 year stint in PL

Keep doing bhangra over mediocrity.

A play maker who doesn't create and doesn't score much

Comedy gold

 

[ads101]

I think you have to give Arteta a chance now. Should have got a top manager at the start probably, but I think they wanted a manger who can make his name at Arsenal not someone who will be known for achievements elsewhere.

He could have easily been deservedly sacked a year ago. But this season Arsenal have done well and played good football. Improvements can be seen as squad is young. They bottled it, but at least another season is logical for Arteta. There is a clear method and style of play now which was missing in previous years.

Havertz is young and has some talent. If gotten cheap it probably wouldn’t be the worst. The only position Arsenal really need a striker but strikers these days often find it difficult to integrate into a system as football is not played around them anymore. Xhaka probably could have done the job for a year or two allowing better injury cover for other spaces and spend more on a striker. But since Xhaka is going, you’ve got to spend a lot on someone like Rice to replace. Havertz also in theory can be adapted, he could be developed to play a range of positions. There’s few other options, the other options are older. I could see it as a worthwhile risk getting Havertz for £30/40 million and seeing if you get the pre chelsea form.

There’s not much to improve with Arsenal, more just continue developing and a little injury cover. A striker is the only thing, but seeing how there’s been so many big signings flop of late like Lukaku and Arteta’s issues with Aubemeyang, it’s probably not worth the risk. Arteta has got most of his recent signings right, so if he wants to take a risk on Havertz, it’s not too bad.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I think you have to give Arteta a chance now. Should have got a top manager at the start probably, but I think they wanted a manger who can make his name at Arsenal not someone who will be known for achievements elsewhere.

He could have easily been deservedly sacked a year ago. But this season Arsenal have done well and played good football. Improvements can be seen as squad is young. They bottled it, but at least another season is logical for Arteta. There is a clear method and style of play now which was missing in previous years.

Havertz is young and has some talent. If gotten cheap it probably wouldn’t be the worst. The only position Arsenal really need a striker but strikers these days often find it difficult to integrate into a system as football is not played around them anymore. Xhaka probably could have done the job for a year or two allowing better injury cover for other spaces and spend more on a striker. But since Xhaka is going, you’ve got to spend a lot on someone like Rice to replace. Havertz also in theory can be adapted, he could be developed to play a range of positions. There’s few other options, the other options are older. I could see it as a worthwhile risk getting Havertz for £30/40 million and seeing if you get the pre chelsea form.

There’s not much to improve with Arsenal, more just continue developing and a little injury cover. A striker is the only thing, but seeing how there’s been so many big signings flop of late like Lukaku and Arteta’s issues with Aubemeyang, it’s probably not worth the risk. Arteta has got most of his recent signings right, so if he wants to take a risk on Havertz, it’s not too bad.

Havert ain't coming cheap, Arsenal are wasting 60M on a proven PL flop, yet another pathetic transfer.

Arsenal's transfer windows have continually hit and miss and to say Arteta had got most of his recent transfers right is far from the truth.

2 seasons ago
Ramsdale - success
White - success
Tomayassu - failure because he can't stay fit
Lakonga - failure
Tavares - failure

Last season
Jesus - success when played, injured half season
Zinchenko - average at best. Decent games and then a liability defensively
Vieira - failure

Trossard - success
Jorginho - a few good games and some mediocre. Wasn't used in Liverpool or Southampton (should have started)
Kiwor - a few good games (Chelsea / Newcastle) then poor vs brighton and forrest

Arsenal can afford another TW where players are hit / miss

Also if you look at the so called squad players outside the starting 11

Turner, holding, kiwior, Jorginho, Vieira, Eddie Nelson, Eddie have all been hit and miss, these are players Arteta chose to retain or given new contracts to, that ain't squad depth to compete on all 4 fronts.

ESR has beeb injured and under used and clearly he doesn't want Tierney either.

So other then Trossard non of the so called squad depth have been outstanding. Arsenal aren't just a striker away from a complete squad.

Arsenal will have pick its strongest 11 in PL and CL, they got away with not having to do that last year being in EL.

When Arteta did rotate it was p*ss poor and that's why club ended trophyless.

Oh yeah Arsenal had "bigger fish to fry" and finished with nothing.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

) misused hilarious . Both lampard and tuchel used him as a key player in team and he failed. 19 goals in 91 games.

Mamoon now using 2 accounts to post the same garbage.

Discussion over then!!! because if he couldn’t perform for Lampard then no chance any other Manager can make him play any better.

Tuchel used him as the player furthest forward, mainly because of lack of other options, and that’s not his game.

At Leverkusen he was used in 2-3 different roles, never as the main goal scorer, and he was excellent.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

13M deal has already been agreed. Go login under your other alias Mamoon.

Pathetic, that uve decided to make a 2nd account to post same repetitive copy paste rubbish.

Want to post a link to a story that confirms a bid has been made??
No, because you won’t find it.
Many reports from Ornstein, Romano etc about interest and likely amounts of any potential bids.
So far nothing has been received.

Hope you comprehend the difference.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Discussion over then!!! because if he couldn’t perform for Lampard then no chance any other Manager can make him play any better.

Tuchel used him as the player furthest forward, mainly because of lack of other options, and that’s not his game.

At Leverkusen he was used in 2-3 different roles, never as the main goal scorer, and he was excellent.

Oh big wow he had 1 good season in the German league. A mediocre and inferior league.

Let's deal with facts. He's been a failure in PL over 3 seasons, so called blaming the managers is a weak argument.

Between your two aliases you've repeatedly the same lame excuses.

Plenty of mediocre players look good in German league and are then exposed in the PL.

Unless your a world class talent like haaland, Auba or lewa.

Havertz is operated. The fact all Chelsea fans don't think he's worth more then 30 million and that he's a one game wonder says it all.

I'd rather listen to chelsea fans who have seen the player week in week out then a poster who has two use two different user names to make same lame point.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Want to post a link to a story that confirms a bid has been made??
No, because you won’t find it.
Many reports from Ornstein, Romano etc about interest and likely amounts of any potential bids.
So far nothing has been received.

Hope you comprehend the difference.

Shows how clueless you are again when Romano posted on 8th June. Like I said get your facts right 1st. Feel free to wipe the egg off your face. Whether your posting as your current id or Mamoon just shows you continue to talk

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1666874073840746509

Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
·
8 Jun
Understand the agreement between Granit Xhaka and Bayer Leverkusen is still valid, sealed and confirmed at this stage. He accepted one month ago ️ #BayerLeverkusen

Arsenal will only give the green light once they sign new midfielder with Declan Rice as priority target. #AFC

-----'

Go comprehend that you

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Shows how clueless you are again when Romano posted on 8th June. Like I said get your facts right 1st. Feel free to wipe the egg off your face. Whether your posting as your current id or Mamoon just shows you continue to talk

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1666874073840746509

Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
·
8 Jun
Understand the agreement between Granit Xhaka and Bayer Leverkusen is still valid, sealed and confirmed at this stage. He accepted one month ago ️ #BayerLeverkusen

Arsenal will only give the green light once they sign new midfielder with Declan Rice as priority target. #AFC

-----'

Go comprehend that you

Where does it state Leverkusen have made a bid to Arsenal??
I know they have an agreement in place with Xhaka but that’s never been the point of discussion.

https://tbrfootball.com/report-arse...-player-whos-agreed-personal-terms-elsewhere/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65940566

Feel humiliated much??

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Oh big wow he had 1 good season in the German league. A mediocre and inferior league.

Let's deal with facts. He's been a failure in PL over 3 seasons, so called blaming the managers is a weak argument.

Between your two aliases you've repeatedly the same lame excuses.

Plenty of mediocre players look good in German league and are then exposed in the PL.

Unless your a world class talent like haaland, Auba or lewa.

Havertz is operated. The fact all Chelsea fans don't think he's worth more then 30 million and that he's a one game wonder says it all.

I'd rather listen to chelsea fans who have seen the player week in week out then a poster who has two use two different user names to make same lame point.

Managers will be blamed if they misuse players.
He’s not a goal scorer so putting him in that key role makes no sense and judging him on it makes even less.
FYI dozens of players have successfully made the transition between the Bundesliga and the PL. Majority of them were not world class.
Havertz has struggled because his been made to play in a role that does not suit his skill set.
You might understand this point if you knew a little about football.
Instead it seems you want to throw cheap jibes at posters who disagree with you.

& I”ll only say this once. I would not stoop so low to create a second account to discuss anything.
Yes, you heard that right. I first joined this forum in 2007, I just checked and Mamoon didn’t join until five years after.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Where does it state Leverkusen have made a bid to Arsenal??
I know they have an agreement in place with Xhaka but that’s never been the point of discussion.

https://tbrfootball.com/report-arse...-player-whos-agreed-personal-terms-elsewhere/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65940566

Feel humiliated much??

bbc as your source, that says it all.

Your using some mediocre sight called TBR that just posts speculation articles.

Your even more clueless then I thought

 

[Amjid Javed]

Managers will be blamed if they misuse players.
He’s not a goal scorer so putting him in that key role makes no sense and judging him on it makes even less.
FYI dozens of players have successfully made the transition between the Bundesliga and the PL. Majority of them were not world class.
Havertz has struggled because his been made to play in a role that does not suit his skill set.
You might understand this point if you knew a little about football.
Instead it seems you want to throw cheap jibes at posters who disagree with you.

& I”ll only say this once. I would not stoop so low to create a second account to discuss anything.
Yes, you heard that right. I first joined this forum in 2007, I just checked and Mamoon didn’t join until five years after.

He's not a goal scorer? No **** sherlock! Stating the obvious their then aren't you! Give yourself a pat on the back.

. So enlighten me what his skill set is as your making out as though your some sort of German league expert and that uve seen every single game havertz has played in. For 60m and 200k+ a week which will be more then martinelli and oddegard it better be a hell of a skill set.

Good players will adapt to what ever role they are given, but your crying because supposedly he's not be used right.

Plenty of Chelsea fans have given their views and said he's been used in different roles and failed in all of them.

I've seen enough of havertz for Chelsea to know he's trash, add to that my best mates a Chelsea fan and even he's said to me numerous times havertz along with pulisic and mount have been mediocre for Chelsea over last few years.

Keep rolling out lake excuses.

60M, 200K + a week for a PL flop will be on a par with the Pepe signing. We've seen numerous times how when Arteta signs a player or has a player in the squad, at 1st sign of no improvement he discards them. Arsenal don't need another flop.

It's hilarious how clueless people like you think If a player moves club he's going to transform into a player he was 4 years ago in mediocre league and last 3 seasons will ve forgotten. Delusion at its finest.

 

[ads101]

Havert ain't coming cheap, Arsenal are wasting 60M on a proven PL flop .

To be fair even 50/60 mill isn’t that much these days. Given his age and past talent even if he fails again you’ll probably offload him for a decent price, £30 mill or so.

Ramsdale, Oodegard permanent signing, trossard, white, zinchenko (who has been underrated), tomiyasu when not injured. That’s enough for the transfers to be considered a success lately. The team has been clearly improved in recent years with signings.

It’s a trophyless season but Arsenal played well for the majority of the season, much better than expected. With a young squad, you could build on this. When Arsenal were on the cusp of winning the PL it seems unneeded to change the manager now. See if Arteta can continue to improve from 2nd. Arsenal in the premier league played far better football than United, Newcastle, Chelsea, Spurs. The quality of football on display was more alike to Man City than the other competitors, which is what you want to see for a team to actually challenge for the title. Change manager at this point, you could throw the whole thing into jeopardy and lose all the progress. Absolute needless risk.

If he fails next season then you can sack him. But right now it seems madness to do so. 1 more season is hardly unreasonable for nearly winning the league. Maybe Arsenal shot themselves in the foot not sacking him when they were finishing 8th. Who knows. And right now if Arsenal are sticking with Arteta, what Arteta wants you give him.

 

[Amjid Javed]

To be fair even 50/60 mill isn’t that much these days. Given his age and past talent even if he fails again you’ll probably offload him for a decent price, £30 mill or so.

Ramsdale, Oodegard permanent signing, trossard, white, zinchenko (who has been underrated), tomiyasu when not injured. That’s enough for the transfers to be considered a success lately. The team has been clearly improved in recent years with signings.

It’s a trophyless season but Arsenal played well for the majority of the season, much better than expected. With a young squad, you could build on this. When Arsenal were on the cusp of winning the PL it seems unneeded to change the manager now. See if Arteta can continue to improve from 2nd. Arsenal in the premier league played far better football than United, Newcastle, Chelsea, Spurs. The quality of football on display was more alike to Man City than the other competitors, which is what you want to see for a team to actually challenge for the title. Change manager at this point, you could throw the whole thing into jeopardy and lose all the progress. Absolute needless risk.

If he fails next season then you can sack him. But right now it seems madness to do so. 1 more season is hardly unreasonable for nearly winning the league. Maybe Arsenal shot themselves in the foot not sacking him when they were finishing 8th. Who knows. And right now if Arsenal are sticking with Arteta, what Arteta wants you give him.

50 or 60M these days you want a Proven player, not a flop.

Selling him for 30M or so just proves my point, it's a huge gamble which if if fails Arsenal will have to take a further loss. They don't need to take such pathetic risks.

half of transfers doing well ain't a success, the whole reason Arsenal have bottled it last 3 seasons is lack of rotations options, like fir like quality players in squad. Which hasn't been addressed again. Having just a good starting 11 ain't going to carry you to success in a long season in 4 competitions. That's poor squad building and management.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

bbc as your source, that says it all.

Your using some mediocre sight called TBR that just posts speculation articles.

Your even more clueless then I thought

At least that source backs up what I have stated all along.
And there is more out there if you care to take a look.
I’ve seen nothing from you apart from resorting to cheap shots. Where’s your proof?? I’m still waiting.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

He's not a goal scorer? No **** sherlock! Stating the obvious their then aren't you! Give yourself a pat on the back.

. So enlighten me what his skill set is as your making out as though your some sort of German league expert and that uve seen every single game havertz has played in. For 60m and 200k+ a week which will be more then martinelli and oddegard it better be a hell of a skill set.

Good players will adapt to what ever role they are given, but your crying because supposedly he's not be used right.

Plenty of Chelsea fans have given their views and said he's been used in different roles and failed in all of them.

I've seen enough of havertz for Chelsea to know he's trash, add to that my best mates a Chelsea fan and even he's said to me numerous times havertz along with pulisic and mount have been mediocre for Chelsea over last few years.

Keep rolling out lake excuses.

60M, 200K + a week for a PL flop will be on a par with the Pepe signing. We've seen numerous times how when Arteta signs a player or has a player in the squad, at 1st sign of no improvement he discards them. Arsenal don't need another flop.

It's hilarious how clueless people like you think If a player moves club he's going to transform into a player he was 4 years ago in mediocre league and last 3 seasons will ve forgotten. Delusion at its finest.

Gibberish!! Was that your best retort to being exposed as a liar??

A poster who does not understand the different phases that make up a transfer is calling others as clueless!!
So classy!!

 

[Firebat]

Alexis Sanchez reportedly called Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta "begging" for a return to the Emirates. (The Sun)

 

[Mamoon]

a player with one of worst creativity stats in 3 year stint in PL

Keep doing bhangra over mediocrity.

A play maker who doesn't create and doesn't score much

Comedy gold

You don’t understand football, we all know that. This is why you fail to realize that a lot of quality players are unable to reach their potential because of playing for the wrong teams under wrong managers etc.

The idea that if you are a top player you will adjust no matter what is a lazy one and it doesn’t apply to every player.

I bet when Arsenal signed Ramsdale for £30m in 2021, you would have turned up your nose because signing an erratic, relegated goalkeeper for £30m was a bad idea and yet, in spite of a few bumps on the way, Ramsdale has saved several crucial points for Arsenal, has been a bright spot and will go down as Arsenal best goalkeeper post Seaman.

No one would have thought that while he was at Sheffield, but this Arsenal team under Arteta was the right fit for him. Had he gone to Chelsea or Tottenham he might have struggled. Arteta saw something in him and was able to unlock his potential.

Forget a decent goalkeeper like Ramsdale - I bet you would have thrown a fit had Arsenal spent big money to sign De Bruyne and Salah from Chelsea.

They couldn’t make it work at Chelsea because they weren’t given the right environment. As per your logic, top players perform no matter what but that logic didn’t apply to them because your logic is nonsense. It doesn’t work like that for every player.

De Bruyne are Salah are amongst the greatest of all time and yet, Mourinho, one of the greatest managers of all time couldn’t create the right environment for them to thrive in. It was an unhappy marriage and they found their calling elsewhere. Yes, it can happen with multiple managers as well.

Havertz and Chelsea just doesn’t work and there is a good possibility that he will find his calling at Arsenal under Arteta. If it doesn’t work it doesn’t work.

So what? Life goes on. Every club makes bad transfers. It is part of football, but sometimes you have to take a chance with certain players and show faith especially when those players have shown very high potential like Havertz did it Leverkusen and he is still very young with his beat years ahead of him.

Please don’t give me this deluded, simplistic nonsense that Bundesliga is low quality and the PL is very difficult and superior etc.

The difficulty and challenge of the PL has proved to be a myth over and over again yet it won’t stop deluded PL fans from regurgitating this nonsense.

A top player will do well in any league provided that he is given the right environment. Top players from all over the world have come to the PL and thrived. Besides, not every top PL player has gone to different leagues and dominated.

Mane was brilliant at Liverpool but he hasn’t been able to reproduce anything close to that at Bayern. Going by your logic, Mane should have lit up the “inferior” Bundesliga while playing for the strongest German team, but he hasn’t.

Had Mane joined Liverpool from Bayern and struggled at Liverpool, people like you would be thumping their chests and claiming that he is struggling at Liverpool because the PL is a step up from the inferior Bundesliga.

Mane came to England from the Austrian league and he immediately hit the ground running because he found the right environment. He struggled after leaving Liverpool for Bayern because he simply didn’t find the right environment under Nagelsmann and Tuchel.

Football is not black and white. There is more to football than “player A has B goal and C assists in X matches so he is a terrible player and showing potential in Bundesliga means nothing because PL is the best.”

 

[Amjid Javed]

At least that source backs up what I have stated all along.
And there is more out there if you care to take a look.
I’ve seen nothing from you apart from resorting to cheap shots. Where’s your proof?? I’m still waiting.

Back up? uve just posted a speculative article. Do you know what "speculation" means you numpty!

I gave you proof that romano said deal had been agreed, not my fault your mental capacity can understand that.

Your "sources" give it a rest

 

[Amjid Javed]

You don’t understand football, we all know that. This is why you fail to realize that a lot of quality players are unable to reach their potential because of playing for the wrong teams under wrong managers etc.

The idea that if you are a top player you will adjust no matter what is a lazy one and it doesn’t apply to every player.

I bet when Arsenal signed Ramsdale for £30m in 2021, you would have turned up your nose because signing an erratic, relegated goalkeeper for £30m was a bad idea and yet, in spite of a few bumps on the way, Ramsdale has saved several crucial points for Arsenal, has been a bright spot and will go down as Arsenal best goalkeeper post Seaman.

No one would have thought that while he was at Sheffield, but this Arsenal team under Arteta was the right fit for him. Had he gone to Chelsea or Tottenham he might have struggled. Arteta saw something in him and was able to unlock his potential.

Forget a decent goalkeeper like Ramsdale - I bet you would have thrown a fit had Arsenal spent big money to sign De Bruyne and Salah from Chelsea.

They couldn’t make it work at Chelsea because they weren’t given the right environment. As per your logic, top players perform no matter what but that logic didn’t apply to them because your logic is nonsense. It doesn’t work like that for every player.

De Bruyne are Salah are amongst the greatest of all time and yet, Mourinho, one of the greatest managers of all time couldn’t create the right environment for them to thrive in. It was an unhappy marriage and they found their calling elsewhere. Yes, it can happen with multiple managers as well.

Havertz and Chelsea just doesn’t work and there is a good possibility that he will find his calling at Arsenal under Arteta. If it doesn’t work it doesn’t work.

So what? Life goes on. Every club makes bad transfers. It is part of football, but sometimes you have to take a chance with certain players and show faith especially when those players have shown very high potential like Havertz did it Leverkusen and he is still very young with his beat years ahead of him.

Please don’t give me this deluded, simplistic nonsense that Bundesliga is low quality and the PL is very difficult and superior etc.

The difficulty and challenge of the PL has proved to be a myth over and over again yet it won’t stop deluded PL fans from regurgitating this nonsense.

A top player will do well in any league provided that he is given the right environment. Top players from all over the world have come to the PL and thrived. Besides, not every top PL player has gone to different leagues and dominated.

Mane was brilliant at Liverpool but he hasn’t been able to reproduce anything close to that at Bayern. Going by your logic, Mane should have lit up the “inferior” Bundesliga while playing for the strongest German team, but he hasn’t.

Had Mane joined Liverpool from Bayern and struggled at Liverpool, people like you would be thumping their chests and claiming that he is struggling at Liverpool because the PL is a step up from the inferior Bundesliga.

Mane came to England from the Austrian league and he immediately hit the ground running because he found the right environment. He struggled after leaving Liverpool for Bayern because he simply didn’t find the right environment under Nagelsmann and Tuchel.

Football is not black and white. There is more to football than “player A has B goal and C assists in X matches so he is a terrible player and showing potential in Bundesliga means nothing because PL is the best.”

Another copy paste essay

Loads of random wild statements and "if" and "buts" statements

The amount of times you use "if" this and "only this" - go get a job building excel formula's

Your like a broken record, your 1st input on Havertz was and so have the following posts.

Stop doing bhangra over mediocrity

 

[Amjid Javed]

You don’t understand football, we all know that. This is why you fail to realize that a lot of quality players are unable to reach their potential because of playing for the wrong teams under wrong managers etc.

The idea that if you are a top player you will adjust no matter what is a lazy one and it doesn’t apply to every player.

I bet when Arsenal signed Ramsdale for £30m in 2021, you would have turned up your nose because signing an erratic, relegated goalkeeper for £30m was a bad idea and yet, in spite of a few bumps on the way, Ramsdale has saved several crucial points for Arsenal, has been a bright spot and will go down as Arsenal best goalkeeper post Seaman.

No one would have thought that while he was at Sheffield, but this Arsenal team under Arteta was the right fit for him. Had he gone to Chelsea or Tottenham he might have struggled. Arteta saw something in him and was able to unlock his potential.

Forget a decent goalkeeper like Ramsdale - I bet you would have thrown a fit had Arsenal spent big money to sign De Bruyne and Salah from Chelsea.

They couldn’t make it work at Chelsea because they weren’t given the right environment. As per your logic, top players perform no matter what but that logic didn’t apply to them because your logic is nonsense. It doesn’t work like that for every player.

De Bruyne are Salah are amongst the greatest of all time and yet, Mourinho, one of the greatest managers of all time couldn’t create the right environment for them to thrive in. It was an unhappy marriage and they found their calling elsewhere. Yes, it can happen with multiple managers as well.

Havertz and Chelsea just doesn’t work and there is a good possibility that he will find his calling at Arsenal under Arteta. If it doesn’t work it doesn’t work.

So what? Life goes on. Every club makes bad transfers. It is part of football, but sometimes you have to take a chance with certain players and show faith especially when those players have shown very high potential like Havertz did it Leverkusen and he is still very young with his beat years ahead of him.

Please don’t give me this deluded, simplistic nonsense that Bundesliga is low quality and the PL is very difficult and superior etc.

The difficulty and challenge of the PL has proved to be a myth over and over again yet it won’t stop deluded PL fans from regurgitating this nonsense.

A top player will do well in any league provided that he is given the right environment. Top players from all over the world have come to the PL and thrived. Besides, not every top PL player has gone to different leagues and dominated.

Mane was brilliant at Liverpool but he hasn’t been able to reproduce anything close to that at Bayern. Going by your logic, Mane should have lit up the “inferior” Bundesliga while playing for the strongest German team, but he hasn’t.

Had Mane joined Liverpool from Bayern and struggled at Liverpool, people like you would be thumping their chests and claiming that he is struggling at Liverpool because the PL is a step up from the inferior Bundesliga.

Mane came to England from the Austrian league and he immediately hit the ground running because he found the right environment. He struggled after leaving Liverpool for Bayern because he simply didn’t find the right environment under Nagelsmann and Tuchel.

Football is not black and white. There is more to football than “player A has B goal and C assists in X matches so he is a terrible player and showing potential in Bundesliga means nothing because PL is the best.”

Ramsdale Arsenal's best keeper post seamen. Ramsdale is good but let's see of he gets to Jens lehmann standards 1st.

Again a wild and clueless statement

All your wild statement usually are

"If this"

"Only arteta"

"It's in the bag"

Mamoonisms - words and statements which are complete and utter nonsense.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Back up? uve just posted a speculative article. Do you know what "speculation" means you numpty!

I gave you proof that romano said deal had been agreed, not my fault your mental capacity can understand that.

Your "sources" give it a rest

Stop acting like a tool.
If you have anything that says Leverkusen have made a bid of £££’s to Arsenal for Xhaka then produce it.
Posting a message from Romano that states there is an agreement in place between the club and player is not sufficient.
We already knew that.

Go post more gibberish.

 

[Amjid Javed]

You don’t understand football, we all know that. This is why you fail to realize that a lot of quality players are unable to reach their potential because of playing for the wrong teams under wrong managers etc.

The idea that if you are a top player you will adjust no matter what is a lazy one and it doesn’t apply to every player.

I bet when Arsenal signed Ramsdale for £30m in 2021, you would have turned up your nose because signing an erratic, relegated goalkeeper for £30m was a bad idea and yet, in spite of a few bumps on the way, Ramsdale has saved several crucial points for Arsenal, has been a bright spot and will go down as Arsenal best goalkeeper post Seaman.

No one would have thought that while he was at Sheffield, but this Arsenal team under Arteta was the right fit for him. Had he gone to Chelsea or Tottenham he might have struggled. Arteta saw something in him and was able to unlock his potential.

Forget a decent goalkeeper like Ramsdale - I bet you would have thrown a fit had Arsenal spent big money to sign De Bruyne and Salah from Chelsea.

They couldn’t make it work at Chelsea because they weren’t given the right environment. As per your logic, top players perform no matter what but that logic didn’t apply to them because your logic is nonsense. It doesn’t work like that for every player.

De Bruyne are Salah are amongst the greatest of all time and yet, Mourinho, one of the greatest managers of all time couldn’t create the right environment for them to thrive in. It was an unhappy marriage and they found their calling elsewhere. Yes, it can happen with multiple managers as well.

Havertz and Chelsea just doesn’t work and there is a good possibility that he will find his calling at Arsenal under Arteta. If it doesn’t work it doesn’t work.

So what? Life goes on. Every club makes bad transfers. It is part of football, but sometimes you have to take a chance with certain players and show faith especially when those players have shown very high potential like Havertz did it Leverkusen and he is still very young with his beat years ahead of him.

Please don’t give me this deluded, simplistic nonsense that Bundesliga is low quality and the PL is very difficult and superior etc.

The difficulty and challenge of the PL has proved to be a myth over and over again yet it won’t stop deluded PL fans from regurgitating this nonsense.

A top player will do well in any league provided that he is given the right environment. Top players from all over the world have come to the PL and thrived. Besides, not every top PL player has gone to different leagues and dominated.

Mane was brilliant at Liverpool but he hasn’t been able to reproduce anything close to that at Bayern. Going by your logic, Mane should have lit up the “inferior” Bundesliga while playing for the strongest German team, but he hasn’t.

Had Mane joined Liverpool from Bayern and struggled at Liverpool, people like you would be thumping their chests and claiming that he is struggling at Liverpool because the PL is a step up from the inferior Bundesliga.

Mane came to England from the Austrian league and he immediately hit the ground running because he found the right environment. He struggled after leaving Liverpool for Bayern because he simply didn’t find the right environment under Nagelsmann and Tuchel.

Football is not black and white. There is more to football than “player A has B goal and C assists in X matches so he is a terrible player and showing potential in Bundesliga means nothing because PL is the best.”

Your the biggest fraud going, everything your proven wrong on one of your wild posts you dissapear like a coward.

The excuses come out that your "busy with work etc"

Yet for someone "busy" all the time you supposedly have time to watch every German, Spanish, Italian, French and Portuguese league games every season as your a "European football expert" and you know PL ain't that great.

You were hyping up Arthur melo last season, then you were hyping up fabio Vieira to be the next bernado Silva / Luis Figo because you are a Portuguese league expert and ud been following Vieira entire career years ago.

Give the lies and nonsense a rest.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Stop acting like a tool.
If you have anything that says Leverkusen have made a bid of £££’s to Arsenal for Xhaka then produce it.
Posting a message from Romano that states there is an agreement in place between the club and player is not sufficient.
We already knew that.

Go post more gibberish.

Only tool here is you . You post some random article "sources tell us" and all of sudden thats the gospel and truth.

Stop talking both ur aliases continue to post same style of nonsical posts.

Same copy paste garbage, go login to your other account now and reply.

A grown man using fake accounts, to make a point.

 

[Mamoon]

Ramsdale Arsenal's best keeper post seamen. Ramsdale is good but let's see of he gets to Jens lehmann standards 1st.

Again a wild and clueless statement

All your wild statement usually are

"If this"

"Only arteta"

"It's in the bag"

Mamoonisms - words and statements which are complete and utter nonsense.

Ramsdale has far more potential than Lehmann who was nothing more than a decent keeper. When Chelsea signed Cech in 2004, the difference between the two was obvious as it should be between a world class keeper and a decent one.

Ramsdale at 25 is already almost as good as Lehmann in his peak. The only area where he is circumspect is concentration, but that is understandable for a young keeper.

He is only going to get better and better and credit goes to Edu and Arteta for spotting his talent.

 

[Mamoon]

Your the biggest fraud going, everything your proven wrong on one of your wild posts you dissapear like a coward.

The excuses come out that your "busy with work etc"

Yet for someone "busy" all the time you supposedly have time to watch every German, Spanish, Italian, French and Portuguese league games every season as your a "European football expert" and you know PL ain't that great.

You were hyping up Arthur melo last season, then you were hyping up fabio Vieira to be the next bernado Silva / Luis Figo because you are a Portuguese league expert and ud been following Vieira entire career years ago.

Give the lies and nonsense a rest.

I don’t have the time to watch all the leagues. No one does, but unlike you and other delusional PL fans, I care to follow other leagues and do my research on the top performers in other leagues instead of making blanket statements like XYZ league is weak etc. without having any facts to back it up.

You can’t even name the teams who finished in the top 6 in Bundesliga or Eredivisie or the best performers in those leagues this season without Googling, but yet you will sit here and make statements with confidence.

As far as Melo is concerned, I have already explained it numerous times and I cannot be bothered to repeat myself. You can say what you want.

Fabio Vieira is an easy target and I agree that he has been underwhelming and actually I would prefer if he would go out on loan this season, but there are multiple accounts of how impressive he is in training.

Some players are not able to translate it to the pitch. Salah at Chelsea had the same issue, it is probably a confidence thing. Let’s see if things are different for Vieira this season. It could be a lack of confidence or poor mentality, it remains to be seen.

The hallmark of an ignorant, impatient armchair fan is making blanket statements and seeing everything in black and white which is all you do.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ramsdale has far more potential than Lehmann who was nothing more than a decent keeper. When Chelsea signed Cech in 2004, the difference between the two was obvious as it should be between a world class keeper and a decent one.

Ramsdale at 25 is already almost as good as Lehmann in his peak. The only area where he is circumspect is concentration, but that is understandable for a young keeper.

He is only going to get better and better and credit goes to Edu and Arteta for spotting his talent.

here we go again yet more wild statements. No proof, no stats etc...

Stupid clueless comparison. Lehmann was just a decent keeper? comedy gold.

Lehmann was a lot better then "just decent"

Yet another "mamoonism" statement from the fraudeta and edu fan boy.

No wonder Arsenal have low standards and no ambition when the fan base is full of fans like you who think average players like Arthur, Vieira and havertz are world class talents.

Go back to the cricket forum and stick to being an Indian cricket fan. Your football knowledge could be written on back of postage stamp

 

[Amjid Javed]

I don’t have the time to watch all the leagues. No one does, but unlike you and other delusional PL fans, I care to follow other leagues and do my research on the top performers in other leagues instead of making blanket statements like XYZ league is weak etc. without having any facts to back it up.

You can’t even name the teams who finished in the top 6 in Bundesliga or Eredivisie or the best performers in those leagues this season without Googling, but yet you will sit here and make statements with confidence.

As far as Melo is concerned, I have already explained it numerous times and I cannot be bothered to repeat myself. You can say what you want.

Fabio Vieira is an easy target and I agree that he has been underwhelming and actually I would prefer if he would go out on loan this season, but there are multiple accounts of how impressive he is in training.

Some players are not able to translate it to the pitch. Salah at Chelsea had the same issue, it is probably a confidence thing. Let’s see if things are different for Vieira this season. It could be a lack of confidence or poor mentality, it remains to be seen.

The hallmark of an ignorant, impatient armchair fan is making blanket statements and seeing everything in black and white which is all you do.

Who care about the Germany or Dutch leagues? Only person that does is you. Unless your stupid enought to pay the sky high skyports subscriptions in UK people ain't watching German league either.

I cudnt care less who won those leagues, only person proclaiming to be a world football expert is you.

You do your research, I'm sure your studying for hours like it's some sort of exam. Again utter bull crap. You supposedly don't have time to post on here like you use to, but you have time for endless hours of research.

Your a liar. Oh wait "stats don't matter" according to you as it doesn't reflect a players real skill set.

Then why you researching performances and stats, yet more contradictory nonsense.

Absolutely fraud. Again all you responses are "you think this" just presuming things.

Stop using the "salah" example as though havertz is the same.

Salah didn't get a game at Chelsea because they had a prime hazard in the team. Salah didn't play 90 PL games vs Chelsea and flop. At the time he was good enough to get into the team.

Havertz has regularly played and flopped

Learn the difference. Your clueless as they come.

I don't need to keep reading your 1000 word copy paste replys that you got saved in a folder like your studying some of football course.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Current transfer window just shows how dumb and *******d Arsenal and mam united are when it comes to transfers.

Chelsea are in a situation where they have to sell a lot if players before the end of June. So that those sales fall under a certain FFP cycle. Chelsea aren't in a situation where they can wait all summer. A certain number of sales (amount wise will have to be done before end of june)

Chelsea want 75 for havertz and 70M for mount neither is worth it. So what do Arsenal and United do is eagerly try and get deals done before end of June which only benefits Chelsea. After each club has had a bid rejected, both clubs if they continue to be stupid enough to buy these players ( I don't think either club shud be signing this trash) should go back with a 2nd offer last day of June and see here you are take it or leave it. Chelsea will have no option but to accept as they otherwise will be look at FFP breaches etc.. at somepoint.

Advantage here is buying club, but instead they are acting desperate and stupid, when it's Chelsea who should be the ones desperate.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Balogun showing his quality at international level with goal for USA, its a shame he wants to leave but when your club manager has messed up your development over last few year it's no shock he wants to leave. Started a game vs Brentford 2 seasons ago and then wasn't picked again and kept at club until January that season with minimal game time. Then the persistence with mediocre nketitah.

No wonder he wants to leave, Arsenal's best hope is a buy back close when he's sold.

 

[Mamoon]

Balogun showing his quality at international level with goal for USA, its a shame he wants to leave but when your club manager has messed up your development over last few year it's no shock he wants to leave. Started a game vs Brentford 2 seasons ago and then wasn't picked again and kept at club until January that season with minimal game time. Then the persistence with mediocre nketitah.

No wonder he wants to leave, Arsenal's best hope is a buy back close when he's sold.

Balogun doesn’t have the patience or the stomach to fight for his place.

There is a reason why he opted to play for US over England. He wants to take the easy route.

The loan to Reims was huge for his development and growth, it gave him a lot of exposure.

Arsenal would love to keep him or loan him to a PL club but he doesn’t have the heart for it. He doesn’t want to fight for his place and wants to be the number one choice ST at Arsenal next season which obviously is not going to happen.

If Balogun makes unrealistic demands he will be sold. The club will not bend over backwards for him.

 

[Mamoon]

here we go again yet more wild statements. No proof, no stats etc...

Stupid clueless comparison. Lehmann was just a decent keeper? comedy gold.

Lehmann was a lot better then "just decent"

Yet another "mamoonism" statement from the fraudeta and edu fan boy.

No wonder Arsenal have low standards and no ambition when the fan base is full of fans like you who think average players like Arthur, Vieira and havertz are world class talents.

Go back to the cricket forum and stick to being an Indian cricket fan. Your football knowledge could be written on back of postage stamp

Lehmann was not a world class goalkeeper. Arsenal going from Seaman to Lehmann was a clear step down.

The world class goalkeepers of mid to late 2000s were Buffon, Casillas, Cech, Van Der Sar and Kahn. Lehmann was clearly a level below those guys.

 

[Mamoon]

Who care about the Germany or Dutch leagues? Only person that does is you. Unless your stupid enought to pay the sky high skyports subscriptions in UK people ain't watching German league either.

I cudnt care less who won those leagues, only person proclaiming to be a world football expert is you.

You do your research, I'm sure your studying for hours like it's some sort of exam. Again utter bull crap. You supposedly don't have time to post on here like you use to, but you have time for endless hours of research.

Your a liar. Oh wait "stats don't matter" according to you as it doesn't reflect a players real skill set.

Then why you researching performances and stats, yet more contradictory nonsense.

Absolutely fraud. Again all you responses are "you think this" just presuming things.

Stop using the "salah" example as though havertz is the same.

Salah didn't get a game at Chelsea because they had a prime hazard in the team. Salah didn't play 90 PL games vs Chelsea and flop. At the time he was good enough to get into the team.

Havertz has regularly played and flopped

Learn the difference. Your clueless as they come.

I don't need to keep reading your 1000 word copy paste replys that you got saved in a folder like you’re you studying some of football course.

So you have exposed yourself by admitting that you don’t have a clue about other leagues but that won’t stop you from giving your verdicts and expert opinions.

This is exactly how a typical deluded PL fan operates. Who said stats should be neglected? The point is that sometimes top players will have poor stats not because they are poor players but because they haven’t had the right environment to thrive in.

Havertz can easily reproduce Odegaard type stats for Arsenal because of the free flowing football that Arsenal play.

Havertz will hugely benefit from playing alongside Odegaard, Saka, Martinelli, Jesus, Zinchenko etc.

To truly judge a player you need to not only look at stats but watch them play as well. Stats alone will not give you the full picture. There were many forwards with better “stats” than Bergkamp and many midfielders with better “stats” than Zidane and Iniesta and I don’t need to remind you how great they were.

I’m not comparing Havertz to those guys but he is also one of those players who cannot be judged by his stats at Chelsea because it wasn’t the right fit for him.

It is very obvious why Arteta wants him - it is extremely rare to find a player with his technical skills and elegance who also happens to be 6’4. He can play almost every attacking position and will add a new dimension to this Arsenal team.

This transfer will go through, he will improve the team but you won’t stop whining because of your agenda.

70m is peanuts for a 24 year old who has the potential to be elite and has attracted interest from Madrid and Bayern.

Madrid cooled off their interest after the Mbappe news but Bayern pulled out because Havertz has already agreed personal terms with Arsenal.

I cannot wait to see him don the #29 and link up with Odegaard, Saka etc. He will be brilliant for Arsenal.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Lehmann was not a world class goalkeeper. Arsenal going from Seaman to Lehmann was a clear step down.

The world class goalkeepers of mid to late 2000s were Buffon, Casillas, Cech, Van Der Sar and Kahn. Lehmann was clearly a level below those guys.

When did I say lehmann was world class? So once again you making up . I said he was better than "decent". Yet more fabricated nonsense from you.

 

[Amjid Javed]

So you have exposed yourself by admitting that you don’t have a clue about other leagues but that won’t stop you from giving your verdicts and expert opinions.

This is exactly how a typical deluded PL fan operates. Who said stats should be neglected? The point is that sometimes top players will have poor stats not because they are poor players but because they haven’t had the right environment to thrive in.

Havertz can easily reproduce Odegaard type stats for Arsenal because of the free flowing football that Arsenal play.

Havertz will hugely benefit from playing alongside Odegaard, Saka, Martinelli, Jesus, Zinchenko etc.

To truly judge a player you need to not only look at stats but watch them play as well. Stats alone will not give you the full picture. There were many forwards with better “stats” than Bergkamp and many midfielders with better “stats” than Zidane and Iniesta and I don’t need to remind you how great they were.

I’m not comparing Havertz to those guys but he is also one of those players who cannot be judged by his stats at Chelsea because it wasn’t the right fit for him.

It is very obvious why Arteta wants him - it is extremely rare to find a player with his technical skills and elegance who also happens to be 6’4. He can play almost every attacking position and will add a new dimension to this Arsenal team.

This transfer will go through, he will improve the team but you won’t stop whining because of your agenda.

70m is peanuts for a 24 year old who has the potential to be elite and has attracted interest from Madrid and Bayern.

Madrid cooled off their interest after the Mbappe news but Bayern pulled out because Havertz has already agreed personal terms with Arsenal.

I cannot wait to see him don the #29 and link up with Odegaard, Saka etc. He will be brilliant for Arsenal.

Same repeated rubbish from over hyping mediocrity. Any mediocre player linked to Arsenal and you over hype them like they are world class and misused else where, or that Arteta will make them world class

If Arsenal suddenly wanted maguire you would start making statements like "man united didn't use him properly" and "thats you really wanted him when he left Leicester" and other nonsense like "saliba and maguire would be world class together"

Your know for over hyping garbage.

70M for flop who Chelsea signed for 72M is not good business, what exactly has havertz done in 3 years to have pretty much the same price tag and a wage increase. Shows clearly how clueless you are.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If Arsenal are stupid enough to let Partey go to Saudi let's see what transfer fee the club gets, Ruben never with 1 year on his contract (older in Age) has just gone for 45M.

Partey is 30 and 2 years left. Let's see if Arsenal get 60 or 70 M or the usual poor transfer fees they get in. Only shock is Edu / Arteta ain't giving him away for free.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If Arsenal are stupid enough to let Partey go to Saudi let's see what transfer fee the club gets, Ruben never with 1 year on his contract (older in Age) has just gone for 45M.

Partey is 30 and 2 years left. Let's see if Arsenal get 60 or 70 M or the usual poor transfer fees they get in. Only shock is Edu / Arteta ain't giving him away for free.

Partey should only play as a defensive centre mid. When he starts to float up top, he loses his organistion. It would be crazy to let him go after playing his best season ever in his career.

Kai Havertz is still young, only 24. His main issue has been the fast pace and the physical nature of the PL. Unless he improves his close quarter ball control and his strength when shoulder to shoulder with other midfielders he wont improve much at all. But has potential.

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] As PP forum may not open before the start the PL season.

PREDICTION TIME!

Where will Arsenal finish in the PL?

note. You got it horribly wrong last season.

My prediction for Arsenal. 5th place UNLESS a top elite striker arrives.

 

[Firebat]

Arsenal make opening £30m offer for Ajax defender Jurrien Timber

Arsenal are working on a deal to sign defender Jurrien Timber from Ajax.

The Premier League club have submitted a proposal worth around £30million for the 22-year-old Netherlands international.

Ajax are seeking in the region of £50million for Timber, who has two years left on his contract at the Dutch club.

There is optimism a compromise can be reached between the two clubs, while personal terms are believed to be in place.

Timber, who has played 15 times for his country, scored two goals and got two assists in 34 Eredivisie appearances for Ajax this season as they finished in third position.

ATHLETIC

 

[Amjid Javed]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] As PP forum may not open before the start the PL season.

PREDICTION TIME!

Where will Arsenal finish in the PL?

note. You got it horribly wrong last season.

My prediction for Arsenal. 5th place UNLESS a top elite striker arrives.

what prediction do you want from him?

Start of season? October? December? Feb? April?

Every knows he changes his prediction every few months

Let's look at his last season gems

Man city will take 6 points of Arsenal

Arsenal will beat City at Emirates

City win was a fluke

Arsenal don't Need to beat City to win the league

Then there was

Arsenal will finish 2nd

Arsenal will win it

It's in the bag

Followed by egg all over his face and hid like a coward

"Oh I'm busy with work so I couldn't post"

Expect same comedy predictions from him again

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal make opening £30m offer for Ajax defender Jurrien Timber

Arsenal are working on a deal to sign defender Jurrien Timber from Ajax.

The Premier League club have submitted a proposal worth around £30million for the 22-year-old Netherlands international.

Ajax are seeking in the region of £50million for Timber, who has two years left on his contract at the Dutch club.

There is optimism a compromise can be reached between the two clubs, while personal terms are believed to be in place.

Timber, who has played 15 times for his country, scored two goals and got two assists in 34 Eredivisie appearances for Ajax this season as they finished in third position.

ATHLETIC

This would be a good signing way better option then castagne or some of the other rubbish full backs we have been linked to. Plus fact Tomiyasu will get injured again as soon as someone breathes on him.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Partey should only play as a defensive centre mid. When he starts to float up top, he loses his organistion. It would be crazy to let him go after playing his best season ever in his career.

Kai Havertz is still young, only 24. His main issue has been the fast pace and the physical nature of the PL. Unless he improves his close quarter ball control and his strength when shoulder to shoulder with other midfielders he wont improve much at all. But has potential.

Arteta is just copying Pep again he wants to use Havertz / oddegard same way gudogan and bernado are used. Facts are havertz is poor defensively, doesn't track back, can't tackle, poor ball recovery, rubbish in tight spaces.

For all the attack quality gudogan and bernado have they physically do the dirty work as well. Once again another b-tec project which will expose Arteta again

 

[Amjid Javed]

Partey should only play as a defensive centre mid. When he starts to float up top, he loses his organistion. It would be crazy to let him go after playing his best season ever in his career.

Kai Havertz is still young, only 24. His main issue has been the fast pace and the physical nature of the PL. Unless he improves his close quarter ball control and his strength when shoulder to shoulder with other midfielders he wont improve much at all. But has potential.

Arsenal do have to at somepoint get to a point where they get away from depending on partey all the time. He's a good player yes. But casimeiro and Rodri are better. Prime Fabhino (he's crap now) was better.

But removing Partey means the physical and ball recovery skills are lost in midfield, so if xhaka and partey go Arsenal must gey rice and caciedo. People talking up Lavia. Yeah he's good but he's 19, asking a 19 year old to go from relegation fodder to a team that has to win title next season and is in CL is a huge step.

All that will happen is if the season ends trophyless again the arteta fan boys will use the excuse that the midfield was rebuilt and give it a few more years bull excuses.