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Arsenal's title challenge runs out of steam

Arsenal's players sank to their knees after the full-time whistle, the realisation quickly sinking in that their title dream was all but over after being picked apart by Brighton.

The Gunners deserve enormous credit for the way they have pushed Manchester City in the title race but their pursuit is close to being extinguished after a highly damaging defeat at the business end of the season.

Manchester City's comfortable win at Everton earlier on Sunday opened up a four-point gap at the top but this time Arsenal were unable to respond to the pressure heaped on them by Pep Guardiola's Treble-chasing team.

There was still almost 40 minutes left when Enciso opened the scoring but the Gunners failed to find the net for the first time since 4 February.

Arteta sent on Eddie Nketiah and Emile Smith Rowe to try and salvage a point but the Arsenal boss, who was shown a yellow card by referee Andy Madley, saw his side concede two further goals as the home side suffered a comprehensive defeat.
 
Our midfield today was so poor but its no shock, so many of the fan base what xhaka retaining next season, oddegard clearly didn't fancy it today and this is this is the coward that was made captain. Jorginho showed no control today.

Arsenal need to sign caciedo and Rice in summer or they can kiss goodbye winning any trophies any time soon. This squad struggle playing 1 game a week at tail end of the season.

No way it handles CL and a title challenge next season.

As far as Arteta goes the credit he had from FA Cup is gone, 3 seasons without a trophy and every season the team has imploded under pressure.

All blame before was on so called toxic players, current squad is either players Arteta has retained or signed.

25 League goals conceded at home in PL, man united have conceded 8. That itself Is a disgrace.

If Ancelotti is sacked by Real Madrid end of season. That's who Arsenal need instead of Arteta.
 
Finishing 2nd to this City side and pushing them for most of the season is a fantastic achievement.

Arsenal fans will be disappointed, but they should be proud of their team this season.

However, unless there is some important investment, they won't be challenging for the title next season.
 
8 points clear with 9 games left (played game extra) to 4 points behind played a game more..

That's in effect a 12-15 point swing in 7 games.

Will anyone be made accountable?

No "trust the process" and other nonsense will be rolled out.

The fact since Saka has agreed his 300K a week contract and playing badly and Arteta can't even drop him and make changes shows how mentally weak the club mentality is.

I will say this now if Liverpool sort their midfield out and Man utd get new owners, both will finish above Arsenal next season.
 
Finishing 2nd to this City side and pushing them for most of the season is a fantastic achievement.

Arsenal fans will be disappointed, but they should be proud of their team this season.

However, unless there is some important investment, they won't be challenging for the title next season.

You need to be first at the door and get the players city want

Not settle for a budget replacement
 
3-0 at home to Brighton :misbah

That is what happens when you overhype players like Saka, Odegard, Martinelli and start labelling them world class, when these players haven't achieved anything yet in their careers.
 
Our midfield today was so poor but its no shock, so many of the fan base what xhaka retaining next season, oddegard clearly didn't fancy it today and this is this is the coward that was made captain. Jorginho showed no control today.

Arsenal need to sign caciedo and Rice in summer or they can kiss goodbye winning any trophies any time soon. This squad struggle playing 1 game a week at tail end of the season.

No way it handles CL and a title challenge next season.

As far as Arteta goes the credit he had from FA Cup is gone, 3 seasons without a trophy and every season the team has imploded under pressure.

All blame before was on so called toxic players, current squad is either players Arteta has retained or signed.

25 League goals conceded at home in PL, man united have conceded 8. That itself Is a disgrace.

If Ancelotti is sacked by Real Madrid end of season. That's who Arsenal need instead of Arteta.

West Ham want over £100 for Rice, not sure if Arsenal have such funds this summer?

Come on bro, he deserves another season at least.
 
With that cruiserweight squad Arsenal are lucky to finish 2nd, look at City Bernardo Rodri Gundogan KdB Grealish Foden Mahrez so much depth,
Infact next season Arsenal may struggle to finish in top 4 with Chelsea having so much quality and a proper manager,Newcastle on the up with Howe, Liverpool will definitely spend and the Red Devils also wounded, Arsenal need to break the Bank fast
 
West Ham want over £100 for Rice, not sure if Arsenal have such funds this summer?

Come on bro, he deserves another season at least.

Arsenal have spent around 130M a season for last 3 seasons without CL football.

The kronkes have got CL football they wanted now, Arsenal need 5 players in the summer and need to spending over 200M at least in doing that.

We will see if kronkes aim was just getting CL money again or if they have ambition.

I dont trust Edu to get top transfers done

Arteta won't win the PL with Arsenal, in Europe Arsenal will just make up the number

An elite manager is needed to take Arsenal forward.

The fact he doesn't trust most of bench players showd how poor his squad management is.
 
Another top quality striker, a quality centre half, a right-back and Declan Rice should be Arsenal's targets before the next season.
 
Out of the Carabao Cup - Arsenal are focusing on the league.

Out of the FA Cup - Arsenal are focusing on league.

Out of the Europa League - Arsenal are focusing on the league

Bottles the league - Arsenal only wanted top 4.

:)
 
A threadbare squad which couldn't even make top 4 last season manage to run an established heavyweight like City right down to the wire.

Arsenal overachieved massively this season and should be extremely proud of themselves. They have shown that with some additions they should be able to be challengers for the next few years at least.

Arteta and Edu will already know who they want to sign. It's definitely going to be an interesting summer for the Gooners.
 
3-0 at home to Brighton :misbah

That is what happens when you overhype players like Saka, Odegard, Martinelli and start labelling them world class, when these players haven't achieved anything yet in their careers.

Martinelli is genuinely very good
 
Pathetic performance, another pathetic season end. I am still in disbelief about what Kiwior was doing on that 1st goal :facepalm

This is as far as this squad can go, this is the ceiling. Over to you Edu, another big job in the summer.
 
Patrick Vieira:

"I'm really sorry to say that, but I think it would be impossible for City let that go now.

"It was a must-win game for Arsenal and today, they didn't play the game that we were awaiting.

"There was a lack of energy and it looked like the result of City really took their legs because today they didn't do enough to win the game."

"(Martin) Odegaard has been the technical leader on the field but what they are missing is this physical presence, this leadership where people can get at the back of players when they are not performing at the level Arsenal expect.

"For me, they will have to build a team with more personality, more competitiveness.

"There is no doubt about Arsenal's quality - they're playing some really good football - but there's still a difference between them and Manchester City.

"When you look at City, you get the physical attribute of the players - they are six foot three or six foot four and really strong.

"So it's important for Arsenal and Mikel (Arteta) to identify what they are missing and try to improve that side of the game."

"Of course, they'll be disappointed because they were so close to winning the title and they have to realise what they are missing.

"They lost the title today but it's about how you rebuild the team, what you think you are missing to improve and to be even closer to Man City next season.

"I think they'll have to analyse not just the game today but the season. They will have to take a step back and to reflect on the season.

"There's a couple of pieces they're missing to be a bit more closer to Man City.

"What is really important is the experience. Players going through this period will gain this kind of experience.

"It was quite challenging because in the last 10 games, they are playing games to win and when you play those the pressure is different.

"They will learn from this situation they are living at the moment and that will make them stronger next year.

"Then there are some pieces that are missing on the field. When you're looking at the back they need a couple of pieces - a centre-back and a right-back.

"In the midfield, they need more physicality and up front it's important to have players capable of scoring goals.

"If they manage to bring those three to four players in the starting XI then they will be a step closer to Manchester City."
 
Arsenal will win the league.

The win at Newcastle has the set the cat among the pigeons in the City camp. City are distracted by the CL and they have three tricks away games coming up.

They will drop points and Arsenal will snatch the title from under their nose on the final day.

Do you not learn.
Arsenal were on hope mode - you shouldn't have been chest thumping.
I expected some drama myself on the final week if arsenal could hold up their end of the deal.
You had to make city win it , but now it's done.
And on a side note, arteta got schooled by de zerbi, with Brighton missing 2 key players the same as you.
 
I hope you can now realize why Arteta plays Zinchenko over this generic, boring LB who can only do the basics and offers zero attacking threat and penetration.

He is a homeless man’s Robertson, Chillwell etc. nothing more than a decent backup.

Zinchenko is a dodgy defender but he is brilliant on the ball and crucial to Arsenal’s attacking play. Tierney is not 1% the footballer Zinchenko is and Arsenal would have been at least 15 points behind City if he was playing over Zinchenko all season.

Zinchenko would have made little difference. Firstly the rest of your team was garbage. Also Mitoma started on the right and wouldn't have had to shift over to whites side to have fun and would have murdered zinchenko.
Lastly Brighton had 2/3rds possession up to 2-0and even zinchenko can't play without the ball 😁
 
Out of the Carabao Cup - Arsenal are focusing on the league.

Out of the FA Cup - Arsenal are focusing on league.

Out of the Europa League - Arsenal are focusing on the league

Bottles the league - Arsenal only wanted top 4.

:)

I said all along this loser mentality of throwing away cups would come back to haunt Arsenal and it has. Winning trophies breeds mentality, of which current Arsenal team has none
 
Patrick Vieira:

"I'm really sorry to say that, but I think it would be impossible for City let that go now.

"It was a must-win game for Arsenal and today, they didn't play the game that we were awaiting.

"There was a lack of energy and it looked like the result of City really took their legs because today they didn't do enough to win the game."

"(Martin) Odegaard has been the technical leader on the field but what they are missing is this physical presence, this leadership where people can get at the back of players when they are not performing at the level Arsenal expect.

"For me, they will have to build a team with more personality, more competitiveness.

"There is no doubt about Arsenal's quality - they're playing some really good football - but there's still a difference between them and Manchester City.

"When you look at City, you get the physical attribute of the players - they are six foot three or six foot four and really strong.

"So it's important for Arsenal and Mikel (Arteta) to identify what they are missing and try to improve that side of the game."

"Of course, they'll be disappointed because they were so close to winning the title and they have to realise what they are missing.

"They lost the title today but it's about how you rebuild the team, what you think you are missing to improve and to be even closer to Man City next season.

"I think they'll have to analyse not just the game today but the season. They will have to take a step back and to reflect on the season.

"There's a couple of pieces they're missing to be a bit more closer to Man City.

"What is really important is the experience. Players going through this period will gain this kind of experience.

"It was quite challenging because in the last 10 games, they are playing games to win and when you play those the pressure is different.

"They will learn from this situation they are living at the moment and that will make them stronger next year.

"Then there are some pieces that are missing on the field. When you're looking at the back they need a couple of pieces - a centre-back and a right-back.

"In the midfield, they need more physicality and up front it's important to have players capable of scoring goals.

"If they manage to bring those three to four players in the starting XI then they will be a step closer to Manchester City."

Vieira spot on and telling it like it is. The fact he's point out the lack of leaders and captains in team is there for all to see.
 
Pathetic performance, another pathetic season end. I am still in disbelief about what Kiwior was doing on that 1st goal :facepalm

This is as far as this squad can go, this is the ceiling. Over to you Edu, another big job in the summer.

Kiwor is just another weakling like Vieira. Against sporting he ducked when trying to avoid a header, then yesterday he's crying after a little knock. The squad is fully of these weak *****.

Thats typified by the cheer leader captain who didn't turn up again when it was needed
 
I’m very sad today, not just because I have been waiting for it for so, so long but also because Arsenal beating the FFP cheaters to the league would have been brilliant for English football.

Arsenal is a proper football club. Its success does not feel like shallow and contrived like Man City’s. Nevertheless, Arsenal’s time will come. It will happen.

The only thing that matters is Arsenal is back. The dark era is finally over. Arsenal is now in a position where they will not be forced to sell its best players and therefore, will be able to strengthen the team.

This has been a beautiful season and this is how it will be remembered once the wounds are healed and the disappointment of losing the title dissipates.

My expectations before the start of this season were not different to other Arsenal fans. I expected a 3rd or 4th place finish and challenging for the title was out of question.

All Arsenal fans would have been delighted were they told at the start of the season that Arsenal would finish second, just a few points behind City and the third placed team would be a million miles away.

Now these so-called fans like [MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION] are pretending that this season has been a failure.

Liverpool had a heartbreak in 2018-19 but they regrouped and won the league next season. Time for Arsenal to regroup, strengthen the squad in the summer and stop the FFP cheaters from establishing a new record of winning four league titles in a row.
 
A Trophyless season and bottling title is a good season? 🤦*♂️🤦*♂️

The only trophies that matter are the league and CL.

United have won the league cup but you can’t look at the PL table and say with a straight face that they had a better season than Arsenal.

Finishing top 2 in the league and seriously challenging for the league is better than winning the league cup or the FA Cup.
 
Zinchenko would have made little difference. Firstly the rest of your team was garbage. Also Mitoma started on the right and wouldn't have had to shift over to whites side to have fun and would have murdered zinchenko.
Lastly Brighton had 2/3rds possession up to 2-0and even zinchenko can't play without the ball 😁

Maybe not this game because Arsenal have lost matches with Zinchenko as well. However, my point is that when you watch both play it is obvious why Arteta prefers Zinchenko because he is crucial for Arsenal’s possession play and attacking formation.

Tierney is a liability on the ball and his teammates don’t even trust him to the point where they bared passed the ball to him because the only thing he can do is cross. That’s it. He is a traditional, old school full back and they are dying out in the modern game.

This is the era of TAA, Reece, Camavinga, Zinchenko etc. old school full backs and CBs and GKs who cannot pass the ball are liabilities in the modern game.
 
It is still mathematically possible for Arsenal to win the Premier League title this season, but given how relentless Manchester City are when awards season begins, the dream is all but over for the Gunners.

A deflating 3-0 home defeat against Brighton on Sunday leaves Mikel Arteta’s side four points behind City with two games to play, and Pep Guardiola’s men have the added cushion of a game in hand. City will have a fifth title in six years wrapped up next Sunday if they beat Chelsea at the Etihad, regardless of Arsenal’s result at Nottingham Forest the day before.

Arsenal ended the 2021-22 campaign in similarly downbeat mood, but it is testament to the significant strides forward they have made over the past 12 months that this time they are ruing a Premier League trophy that got away, rather than a place in the top four.

Securing a return to the Champions League was Arsenal’s primary objective before a ball was kicked in August and they have achieved that goal with matches to spare.

That feels hollow at the moment, though, considering Arsenal have led the Premier League table for virtually the entire campaign, only to be reeled in by City at the death.

Arteta will hope that this year’s improvement can act as a springboard to go one better in 2023-24 and the experience of going head-to-head with City should only benefit a talented young squad.

Here are the lessons that Arteta, his players and the club can learn from this season’s near miss.

Upgrade defensive backups

Rob Holding has become an unfortunate scapegoat for Arsenal’s demise given their downturn since March coincided with his ascension up Arteta’s central defensive pecking order following William Saliba’s back injury.

Saliba’s importance to Arsenal’s defence is evidenced by the numbers, which paint a stark picture. With Saliba in the side, Arsenal won 21 out of 27 Premier League matches (78 per cent win rate) this season, averaging 2.4 points and conceding 0.92 goals per game. Without him, Arsenal have won only four of their nine league matches (44 per cent win rate), averaged 1.66 points, and conceded 1.8 goals per game.

There is obviously a considerable drop-off between Saliba, one of the best young defenders in Europe, and Holding, a backup player throughout his seven years at Arsenal.

Guardiola has no such concerns at City, with Ruben Dias, John Stones, Aymeric Laporte, Manuel Akanji and Nathan Ake all roughly at the same level.

Holding has been a loyal and selfless servant to the Gunners and played an important role in some notable successes, particularly in the 2017 FA Cup final win when he marshalled Diego Costa superbly.

But if Arsenal are to close the gap on City they need greater strength in depth at the back. A potential solution could be to buy a new right-back and have Ben White alternating between both positions.

Tighten up at home

On a related note, Arsenal’s defensive record at home has been bafflingly poor.

The Gunners have the sixth-worst defensive record at home in the Premier League, conceding 25 goals in 18 matches at the Emirates. Only 10th-placed Fulham have let in more (with 27) of sides currently in the top half of the table.

Compare that to Arsenal’s solidity on the road and it is even more puzzling: Manchester City are the only side to have conceded fewer away goals than the Gunners (with 14 to 17).

Over a third of those goals that Arsenal have shipped at home have come during Saliba’s absence, but perhaps there is a tactical issue at play too.

Arsenal’s proactive style and eagerness to dominate at the Emirates has possibly left them too open and vulnerable to opposition counter-attacks.

Be more ruthless

Arsenal raced into two-goal leads against Liverpool and West Ham in back-to-back matches in April and had opportunities to kill both matches before allowing their opponents back into the game.

The Gunners had five shots in the opening half an hour at Anfield, with Gabriel Martinelli scoring with their second effort and Gabriel Jesus doing so from their fifth.

However, for the remaining hour of the contest plus injury time Arsenal managed just four more attempts, one of which came after Roberto Firmino’s 87th-minute equaliser.

Whether through accident or by design, Arsenal retreated after going 2-0 up, which offered Liverpool encouragement; a third goal would have all but settled the contest.

The Anfield factor and quality of Liverpool’s attackers gave Arsenal a free pass of sorts in that one, but no such allowances could be made for the collapse at the London Stadium which was entirely self-inflicted. Arsenal were 2-0 up after 10 minutes but conceded a sloppy penalty and an avoidable equaliser.

On an individual level, more will be expected of Jesus next season. The Brazilian made a flying start to his Arsenal career but the goals have dried up. Jesus has a respectable tally of 10 goals from 24 league appearances but has missed 16 big chances. That is an area he’ll have to improve on.

Control their emotions better

It is difficult to make this argument without sounding like a “Proper Football Man” but there is a chance that Arsenal allowed themselves to get too carried away too early.

Now, that doesn’t mean to say that footballers, coaches, fans, the tea lady, and whoever else should be criticised for celebrating a goal: they have every right to be ecstatic when a 98th-minute winner completes a 3-2 comeback, as was the case with Reiss Nelson’s strike against Bournemouth in March.

But such raucous scenes haven’t really been witnessed at City during their incessant 11-game winning streak which began at the end of February. City have quietly gone about their business in the knowledge that titles are won in May and not in March.

Maybe Arsenal were too excitable when calm heads were required. Perhaps they inadvertently increased the pressure on themselves by getting too emotionally caught up in the title race.

That’s understandable given this is the second-youngest squad in the division and the players will take away plenty of lessons from this experience. They should be better equipped mentally to cope next time.

On a similar theme, Arteta’s touchline dramatics have drawn criticism throughout the campaign. He is far from the only manager who has developed an unhealthy habit of berating fourth officials, but he is certainly one of the most obvious repeat offenders. Maybe he could benefit from dialling down the intensity a touch.

Rebuild central midfield

Martin Odegaard has been magnificent all season. Granit Xhaka has enjoyed his best Arsenal season by a distance – even earning himself a terrace song for the first time in seven years. And Thomas Partey was viewed as the club’s most important player in some quarters during the first two-thirds of the campaign.

Suggesting that Arsenal require a midfield rebuild then may seem harsh, but Odegaard aside, Arsenal could certainly improve in that area of the pitch. A factor that has contributed towards the defence being more leaky has been that Xhaka’s influence has waned and Partey’s form has fallen off a cliff.

Arsenal are believed to be the front-runners to sign Declan Rice from West Ham in the summer and there is no doubt that he would provide far more dynamism than either Xhaka or Partey are capable of. Xhaka has also been linked with a return to the Bundesliga.

The benefit of sealing Champions League football is that Arsenal should be able to attract a higher-calibre of player. Rice fits the bill and looks set to be available for the right price after David Moyes admitted that there is a “good chance” he could leave West Ham at the end of this season.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/...lessons-2340861?ito=twitter_share_article-top
 
The only trophies that matter are the league and CL.

United have won the league cup but you can’t look at the PL table and say with a straight face that they had a better season than Arsenal.

Finishing top 2 in the league and seriously challenging for the league is better than winning the league cup or the FA Cup.

So the only trophies are the PL and CL?

It's taken Arteta 3.5 seasons just to make it into the CL.

He's already been schooled 3 timed in the EL. Arsenal's record in Europe in general is pathetic.

So you telling me Arsenal are going to win CL under Arteta? If not then down to your logic its just the PL then.

Let's be real we ain't winning that under him either.
 
So the only trophies are the PL and CL?

It's taken Arteta 3.5 seasons just to make it into the CL.

He's already been schooled 3 timed in the EL. Arsenal's record in Europe in general is pathetic.

So you telling me Arsenal are going to win CL under Arteta? If not then down to your logic its just the PL then.

Let's be real we ain't winning that under him either.

Arsenal’s best chance of winning the CL is with a tactically astute coach like Arteta. For years, Wenger had the players to win the CL but he was always outclassed by a superior tactician.

Arsenal can win everything under Arteta in the next few years as long as he gets financial backing.
 
Arsenal’s best chance of winning the CL is with a tactically astute coach like Arteta. For years, Wenger had the players to win the CL but he was always outclassed by a superior tactician.

Arsenal can win everything under Arteta in the next few years as long as he gets financial backing.

Tactically astute based on what? He's got one way of playing and no plan B. So what tactics are these? As soon as teams started to combat how Arsenal played in 2nd half of season Arteta has had no answer.

He makes like for like subs every game, his in game management is poor. He turned up to the eithad and tried to take city on toe to toe was plain dumb.

Arteta has had 2 different playing styles since he joined.

The 1st one was reliant on Tierney, David Luiz and Auba.

Now his current system, he had no answer once he's combated.

So I don't get this Tactically astute nonsense.

Only time Arteta has done anything Tactically was when he used Tomiyasu as LB vs Liverpool to combat salah.

Otherwise Arteta is robotic as they come in football approach.

Even Pep adjusted his tactics in both Arsenal games. That's what proper managers do.
 
I feel sorry for the Arsenal fans who paid over a mind-blowing £50K for lower tier tickets to watch Arsenal vs Wolves, thinking they'd witness Arsenal lifting title!
 
I feel sorry for the Arsenal fans who paid over a mind-blowing £50K for lower tier tickets to watch Arsenal vs Wolves, thinking they'd witness Arsenal lifting title!

Clearly the fan had never seem the club win the league and was over excited and deluded in thinking it would happen.

But I don't get why you feel sorry for mamoon wasting £50k on a match ticket 😉
 
I feel sorry for the Arsenal fans who paid over a mind-blowing £50K for lower tier tickets to watch Arsenal vs Wolves, thinking they'd witness Arsenal lifting title!

That's what fans do.

I know LFC fans who watch EVERY game live - feeling the same now at end of the season.

I loved this season - great spirit and great hope now for the future.
 
Arsenal are ready to offer West Ham a club-record £90m for England midfielder Declan Rice, 24, while Switzerland's Granit Xhaka, 30, could be one of a number of players to be sold by the Gunners. (Mail)
 
Arsenal are ready to offer West Ham a club-record £90m for England midfielder Declan Rice, 24, while Switzerland's Granit Xhaka, 30, could be one of a number of players to be sold by the Gunners. (Mail)
Too much money still

But it’s a sign of intent
 
Gabriel Jesus on the title race: “Impossible, no. Mathematically, it’s not over. When I arrived at this club, that’s what I learned. Don’t give up, always try. We still have chances, but it’s obvious that it became very difficult. But we’ll fight until the end.”
 
Gabriel Jesus on the title race: “Impossible, no. Mathematically, it’s not over. When I arrived at this club, that’s what I learned. Don’t give up, always try. We still have chances, but it’s obvious that it became very difficult. But we’ll fight until the end.”

Jesus should focus on scoring goals and stop missing sitters, pretty much has gone missing during title run in.

Arsenal need a proper goal scoring number 9 next season
 
Jesus should focus on scoring goals and stop missing sitters, pretty much has gone missing during title run in.

Arsenal need a proper goal scoring number 9 next season

Do you think Nunes will be a good signing for Arsenal? I feel Arsenal need a number 9 who can win physical battles and Nunes could be that guy. Given Liverpool got so many strikers and with Nunes not getting enough playing time perhaps Arsenal should show interest.
 
Do you think Nunes will be a good signing for Arsenal? I feel Arsenal need a number 9 who can win physical battles and Nunes could be that guy. Given Liverpool got so many strikers and with Nunes not getting enough playing time perhaps Arsenal should show interest.

I think Ivan Toney would be best option (as long as he doesn't get a ban). His link up play is good and also a good plan B. Arsenal playing sake way was always going to be found out. I can't see Liverpool getting rid of nunez. Arsenal need to bin off nketiah (12-15M) and Balagun (20M) and that could help pay something towards a new striker.

The young Danish lad (rasmus hojlund) playing in Italy is being looked at as well, but not seen much of him to say how good he is.
 
I think Ivan Toney would be best option (as long as he doesn't get a ban). His link up play is good and also a good plan B. Arsenal playing sake way was always going to be found out. I can't see Liverpool getting rid of nunez. Arsenal need to bin off nketiah (12-15M) and Balagun (20M) and that could help pay something towards a new striker.

The young Danish lad (rasmus hojlund) playing in Italy is being looked at as well, but not seen much of him to say how good he is.

Nketiah is worth more than £12-15m. I have no problem of selling him to raise funds. But no less than £25m-£30m.
 
I hope you can now realize why Arteta plays Zinchenko over this generic, boring LB who can only do the basics and offers zero attacking threat and penetration.

He is a homeless man’s Robertson, Chillwell etc. nothing more than a decent backup.

Zinchenko is a dodgy defender but he is brilliant on the ball and crucial to Arsenal’s attacking play. Tierney is not 1% the footballer Zinchenko is and Arsenal would have been at least 15 points behind City if he was playing over Zinchenko all season.

None of our players had a good game on Sunday. But if you had to ask me who was the best on the day it would be between Tierney and Jorgino. I'd rate them 6/10 for their performance against Brighton.

With regard to the comparison of Tierney and Zinchenko, I can't believe what I'm reading. How can you say the former is a "homesless man's Robertson" and "Tierney is not 1% the footballer Zinchenko is".

The foundation of any player playing in the backline of a team is about being able to defend. Zinchenko can't defend to save his life because he isn't a left back nor is he a defender. He is a CAM. Unlike Arsenal, Ukraine are playing him in the correct position.

What Arteta still doesn't realise is Guardiola was actually experimentally, as he always does, when he was trying out Zinchenko at LB at City. Our manager instead took this at face value and blindly copied him.

Xhaka and Tierney are the two golden boys in this Arsenal team. They are Arteta's favourites. This is the reason why he is unwilling to:

1. Play Zinchenko in Xhaka's CAM positon
2. Play Tierney ahead of Zinchenko at LCB

What makes my blood boil is the fact these two players are primarily responsible for Arsenal's slump at the end.

I saw it coming even when we were stringing wins together whilst sitting at the top of table.

The choice between Tierney and Zinchenko at LB shouldn't even be worthy of comparison. Tierney is not only a better defender, he is a better dribbler, he is better at supporting Martinelli on the left wing and he can cross the ball. He also also has more pace. It really is a no brainer.

I could understand Arteta opting for Zinchenko if he was the same standard as Trent Alexander-Arnold but he isn't anywhere close to him either. TAA can dribble, cross the ball and is very good at linking up play with Salah. He can also shoot outside the box.

I forewarned that Zinchenko would be exposed in the Champions League but the harsh reality is he has been found out sooner than expected. This is why I call him Arsenal's Hasan Ali. Looked a million dollars when he first joined until he got found out.

If Tierney leaves, he will end up going to City or Newcastle because Pep and Eddie Howe know that he's a gem of a LB. He would fit in to either side and end up making a mockery of Arteta/your assessment of him as a player. Be careful what you wish for.
 
Jesus should focus on scoring goals and stop missing sitters, pretty much has gone missing during title run in.

Arsenal need a proper goal scoring number 9 next season

Jesus is a good player but I don't think he's a proper number 9. He's more of a winger because he doesn't think like a number 9. I say that because he always ends up drifting deep to demand for the ball. He needs to be hungrier for goals, be patient and wait for service to come to him.
 
None of our players had a good game on Sunday. But if you had to ask me who was the best on the day it would be between Tierney and Jorgino. I'd rate them 6/10 for their performance against Brighton.

With regard to the comparison of Tierney and Zinchenko, I can't believe what I'm reading. How can you say the former is a "homesless man's Robertson" and "Tierney is not 1% the footballer Zinchenko is".

The foundation of any player playing in the backline of a team is about being able to defend. Zinchenko can't defend to save his life because he isn't a left back nor is he a defender. He is a CAM. Unlike Arsenal, Ukraine are playing him in the correct position.

What Arteta still doesn't realise is Guardiola was actually experimentally, as he always does, when he was trying out Zinchenko at LB at City. Our manager instead took this at face value and blindly copied him.

Xhaka and Tierney are the two golden boys in this Arsenal team. They are Arteta's favourites. This is the reason why he is unwilling to:

1. Play Zinchenko in Xhaka's CAM positon
2. Play Tierney ahead of Zinchenko at LCB

What makes my blood boil is the fact these two players are primarily responsible for Arsenal's slump at the end.

I saw it coming even when we were stringing wins together whilst sitting at the top of table.

The choice between Tierney and Zinchenko at LB shouldn't even be worthy of comparison. Tierney is not only a better defender, he is a better dribbler, he is better at supporting Martinelli on the left wing and he can cross the ball. He also also has more pace. It really is a no brainer.

I could understand Arteta opting for Zinchenko if he was the same standard as Trent Alexander-Arnold but he isn't anywhere close to him either. TAA can dribble, cross the ball and is very good at linking up play with Salah. He can also shoot outside the box.

I forewarned that Zinchenko would be exposed in the Champions League but the harsh reality is he has been found out sooner than expected. This is why I call him Arsenal's Hasan Ali. Looked a million dollars when he first joined until he got found out.

If Tierney leaves, he will end up going to City or Newcastle because Pep and Eddie Howe know that he's a gem of a LB. He would fit in to either side and end up making a mockery of Arteta/your assessment of him as a player. Be careful what you wish for.

Tierney will start for Newcastle but there is no way he gets into the City playing XI. He has zero ability on the ball and cannot pass. If you cannot pass you cannot play in a Pep's team.

Tierney is extremely easy to defend against because like a traditional full back, he will only make overlapping runs and cross the ball. When the opposition winger presses, he panicks because he cannot pass the ball or control the ball in tight spaces.

Zinchenko brings so much more to the team. He makes overlapping runs, inverted runs, he occupies different positions on the pitch. When Arsenal have the ball, he is an additional midfielder and attacker. When Arsenal has the ball and Tierney is on the pitch, he is a liability and the other players don't even bother passing the ball to him because he is going to screw it up.

Zinchenko is a poor defender. I completely agree with you, but he has been crucial to Arsenal attacking play and has added a new dynamic to the team. Without Zinchenko, Arsenal would have had far less points this season. He makes Arsenal a much more potent and fluid team in possession. He is crucial to the way Arteta wants his team to play.

You can't have the best of both worlds. Tierney will suit a more defensive team but the way Arsenal play under Arteta, Zinchenko is a vital cog. In modern football, defensive duties are no longer the primary job of full-backs. There is a reason why Madrid are playing Camavinga as LWB.

Zinchenko is not at TAA's level but TAA is a joke of a defender himself but Liverpool persist with him because they know that a better defensive RB will not be able to do what TAA does on the ball. It is a trade-off and they have benefited from this trade-off over the years.

The days of traditional defenders are gone. You have to be good on the ball today and initiate attacks from the back. Just like the days of traditional GKs are gone too. It is mandatory for a modern GK to be good with his feet.

I agree with you that Zinchenko will cost Arsenal defensively, but the overall value that he brings to the team is still a lot more than what Tierney does and this is why there is no possibility that Arteta would make him a permanent starter.

I would love to keep him as a backup LB but he can be a starter for most teams so it will be very difficult for Arsenal to keep him.
 
Nketiah is worth more than £12-15m. I have no problem of selling him to raise funds. But no less than £25m-£30m.

No club is going to pay 20M plus for nketiah, add to that he's on 100K a week which most clubs that will be interested in him won't be paying him those wages.

The likes of Palace, Leeds etc.. refused to pay more than 15M a few season back.

Also if a club paid nketitah was paid 100k by a smaller club. He would likely be one of highest earners and for an unproven player that's just a poor risk for a small club to take.
 
Tierney will start for Newcastle but there is no way he gets into the City playing XI. He has zero ability on the ball and cannot pass. If you cannot pass you cannot play in a Pep's team.

Tierney is extremely easy to defend against because like a traditional full back, he will only make overlapping runs and cross the ball. When the opposition winger presses, he panicks because he cannot pass the ball or control the ball in tight spaces.

Zinchenko brings so much more to the team. He makes overlapping runs, inverted runs, he occupies different positions on the pitch. When Arsenal have the ball, he is an additional midfielder and attacker. When Arsenal has the ball and Tierney is on the pitch, he is a liability and the other players don't even bother passing the ball to him because he is going to screw it up.

Zinchenko is a poor defender. I completely agree with you, but he has been crucial to Arsenal attacking play and has added a new dynamic to the team. Without Zinchenko, Arsenal would have had far less points this season. He makes Arsenal a much more potent and fluid team in possession. He is crucial to the way Arteta wants his team to play.

You can't have the best of both worlds. Tierney will suit a more defensive team but the way Arsenal play under Arteta, Zinchenko is a vital cog. In modern football, defensive duties are no longer the primary job of full-backs. There is a reason why Madrid are playing Camavinga as LWB.

Zinchenko is not at TAA's level but TAA is a joke of a defender himself but Liverpool persist with him because they know that a better defensive RB will not be able to do what TAA does on the ball. It is a trade-off and they have benefited from this trade-off over the years.

The days of traditional defenders are gone. You have to be good on the ball today and initiate attacks from the back. Just like the days of traditional GKs are gone too. It is mandatory for a modern GK to be good with his feet.

I agree with you that Zinchenko will cost Arsenal defensively, but the overall value that he brings to the team is still a lot more than what Tierney does and this is why there is no possibility that Arteta would make him a permanent starter.

I would love to keep him as a backup LB but he can be a starter for most teams so it will be very difficult for Arsenal to keep him.

Zinchenko's inverted style is actually a problem because you end up having Xhaka and Zinchenko congested together in one area of midfield. This leaves us vulnerable defensively with the gap left behind. But perhaps more importantly, it leaves Martinelli isolated. Bukayo Saka doesn't have this problem because Ben White has been excellent at supporting him on the right flank.

I accept that the concept of traditional defenders are becoming gradually more obsolete however at Arsenal we don't have the luxury of anyone who can do the best of both worlds at LB.

I agree Tierney doesn't have Zinchenko's passing ability and ball control but I still think he's better going forward because of his extra pace, dribbling and crossing abilities.

But for argument sake, lets assume Tierney is as inept as you say going forward. I would still pick Tierney at LB because his weaker suit isn't anywhere near as bad as Zinchenko's joke defending.

My biggest concern with Tierney isn't his football, it's more to do with the fact that he's injury prone.
 
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Zinchenko's inverted style is actually a problem because you end up having Xhaka and Zinchenko congested together in one area of midfield. This leaves us vulnerable defensively with the gap left behind. But perhaps more importantly, it leaves Martinelli isolated. Bukayo Saka doesn't have this problem because Ben White has been excellent at supporting him on the right flank.

I accept that the concept of traditional defenders are becoming gradually more obsolete however at Arsenal we don't have the luxury of anyone who can do the best of both worlds at LB.

I agree Tierney doesn't have Zinchenko's passing ability and ball control but I still think he's better going forward because of his extra pace, dribbling and crossing abilities.

But for argument sake, lets assume Tierney is as inept as you say going forward. I would still pick Tierney at LB because his weaker suit isn't anywhere near as bad as Zinchenko's joke defending.

My biggest concern with Tierney isn't his football, it's more to do with the fact that he's injury prone.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Why can't we occupy Zinchenko in CAM and use him as reserve LB if Tierney gets injured?
 
Zinchenko's inverted style is actually a problem because you end up having Xhaka and Zinchenko congested together in one area of midfield. This leaves us vulnerable defensively with the gap left behind. But perhaps more importantly, it leaves Martinelli isolated. Bukayo Saka doesn't have this problem because Ben White has been excellent at supporting him on the right flank.

I accept that the concept of traditional defenders are becoming gradually more obsolete however at Arsenal we don't have the luxury of anyone who can do the best of both worlds at LB.

I agree Tierney doesn't have Zinchenko's passing ability and ball control but I still think he's better going forward because of his extra pace, dribbling and crossing abilities.

But for argument sake, lets assume Tierney is as inept as you say going forward. I would still pick Tierney at LB because his weaker suit isn't anywhere near as bad as Zinchenko's joke defending.

My biggest concern with Tierney isn't his football, it's more to do with the fact that he's injury prone.

Zinchenko has actually missed pretty much a similar amount ot time injured as Tierney, he's a year older but in interms of career game time both players are as bad as each other when it comes to staying fit. But Zinchenko fan boys ignore that point.

Zinchenko had cost Arsenal more points and games then he has won this season.
 
Zinchenko has actually missed pretty much a similar amount ot time injured as Tierney, he's a year older but in interms of career game time both players are as bad as each other when it comes to staying fit. But Zinchenko fan boys ignore that point.

Zinchenko had cost Arsenal more points and games then he has won this season.

I honestly wish we bought a better LB than Zinchenko. As you say he's cost us more points this season.
 
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We may never get a better chance of winning the league anytime soon. To miss out from after sitting at the top of the table for virtually all season makes this unacceptable especially when we've put all eggs in this one basket.

I agree with Patrick Vieira who was alluding to the fact that Odegaard's leadership isn't there when the going gets tough. He also mentioned that Arsenal need bigger players as well who can physically cope with the demands of the PL. Our players lack height and strength.
 
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That's what fans do.

I know LFC fans who watch EVERY game live - feeling the same now at end of the season.

I loved this season - great spirit and great hope now for the future.

The Arsenal fans who spent £50K on low-tier tickets did so in January, when Arsenal had 47 points out of 18 games, and were 8 points ahead of Man City. Most Arsenal fans thought they had the title in the bag.

I totally get fans watching all the games, but spending this amount of money with 5 months to, kind of reveals the arrogance of some fans.

Though agree this has been one of the best PL seasons I can remember in a long time!
 
I honestly wish we bought a better LB than Zinchenko. As you say he's cost us more points this season.

We basically replace Tavares with Zinchenko.

Whilst Zinchenko adds more in midfield etc... in terms of defensive ability its pretty much same rubbish ability.

This is why I don't trust Edu or Arteta each TW their are priority Arras that need filling and instead the club wastes more on fixing previous mistakes.

Tavares - zinchenko
Lakonga - needs a replacement
Vieira - needs a replacement
Tomiyasu can't stay fit - a new RB will probably be signed

So this seasons lack of depth is no shock, when money to improve midfield, strikers etc... gets wasted on non priority positions.

We will probably need now 1 RB, 1 RCB, 1 LB, 2 CM (6 & 8) and a striker

What we should have been looking at is sorting midfield and a striker.

The squad is imbalance and poorly built, but fans will make excuse we can compete with other big teams financially. Facts are we need to be getting all out transfers spot in like liverpool did went they were completing.

The excuse of thin squad, lack of money etc.. doesn't wash when you do a proper analysis of hit and miss transfer dealings.

Arsenal need to spend 250-300M this summer on 5 ready made players and edu ain't capable of pulling that off.
 
“Arsenal need to spend 250-300M this summer on 5 ready made players and edu ain't capable of pulling that off.“

This is where a reputable manager comes in. Not sure if Arteta is on that level
 
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We may never get a better chance of winning the league anytime soon. To miss out from after sitting at the top of the table for virtually all season makes this unacceptable especially when we've put all eggs in this one basket.

I agree with Patrick Vieira who was alluding to the fact that Odegaard's leadership isn't there when the going gets tough. He also mentioned that Arsenal need bigger players as well who can physically cope with the demands of the PL. Our players lack height and strength.

The most hurtful on that list is 02/03, pretty much over a 3 season period Arsenal were best team in country by quite a distance

01/02 - won double
02/03 - threw 8 point lead away in March, won FA Cup
03/04 - Invincibles

Arsenal should have won league 3 years in a row, not only that they should have been looking at 3 PL and FA Cup doubles in a row. United side weren't that good, and Arsenal imploded in that 02/03 season.

7 games to go Arsenal should have strolled to a league title, instead 3 draws vs Villa, Bolton (threw 2-0 lead away), united and home defeats vs Leeds (2-3) in space of 5 games cost the title.

I've never felt so angry with a title been thrown away like that, especially with team we had back then.

Yeah Vieira is spot on with lack of leaders.
 
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“Arsenal need to spend 250-300M this summer on 5 ready made players and edu ain't capable of pulling that off.“

This is where a reputable manager comes in. Not sure if Arteta is on that level

Arteta will probably identify who he wants, but Edu has shown he can't get 1st choice transfers done. Plus some of players Arteta has picked have been poor to say least.
 
Arteta will probably identify who he wants, but Edu has shown he can't get 1st choice transfers done. Plus some of players Arteta has picked have been poor to say least.

But the players he identifies still need to want to believe in a manager’s philosophy

It’s the reason why guys like Mourinho knew how to pull the big game players to play for his side at whatever big club he was as a manager

Arteta’s reputation has enhanced but it remains to be seen if he can get those players Pep and Klopp want to choose him over them
 
The only trophies that matter are the league and CL.

United have won the league cup but you can’t look at the PL table and say with a straight face that they had a better season than Arsenal.

Finishing top 2 in the league and seriously challenging for the league is better than winning the league cup or the FA Cup.

Who says that only trophies that matter are the league and CL?

Arsenal have literally done parades after winning multiple FA cups in the past decade. Arsenal fans constantly brag about being the most successful team in the FA cup history.

If United win the FA cup to go along with the league cup they have already won and finish inside the top four, they definitely would have had a better season than Arsenal.
 
Arsenal will never spend truly horrific sums like the other big clubs so I do credit them for that. I do feel that this was a golden opportunity but they have bottled it sadly. Whilst Declan Rice would be a brilliant signing there is no way they or anyone should be spending £90 million on him. I would say Toney would be a great signing but there is no doubt he will get banned and likely to be anywhere from 6-12 months. Definately need a top striker and a midfield "captain" like general at the very least as well as a right back. The problem is the other sides will be more of a force next season. Liverpool will need to spend and I can see them getting back into the top 4 next season. I would expect Newcastle to be there or there abouts and Chelsea under Poch will be a whole lot better.

In no way should Arteta be fired, Arsenal have been a great watch but as always they do lack that toughness in crunch situations.
 
Granit Xhaka is increasingly likely to leave Arsenal this summer amid serious interest from Bayer Leverkusen.

Arsenal are in advanced talks with the German side over a deal that could be worth in the region of around £13 million.

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This would be a good start, then the following all need to go as well

Elneny, Holding, Tomiyasu, cedric, AMN, pepe, Vieira, pepe, Balagun, nketitah, Nelson
 
Granit Xhaka is increasingly likely to leave Arsenal this summer amid serious interest from Bayer Leverkusen.

Arsenal are in advanced talks with the German side over a deal that could be worth in the region of around £13 million.

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This would be a good start, then the following all need to go as well

Elneny, Holding, Tomiyasu, cedric, AMN, pepe, Vieira, pepe, Balagun, nketitah, Nelson

Tavares and lakonga as well.
 
Arsenal are set to open talks with West Ham over a £90m swoop for Declan Rice as Emirates chiefs prepare to loosen the purse strings ahead of their Champions League return. (Daily Mail)
 
Who says that only trophies that matter are the league and CL?

Arsenal have literally done parades after winning multiple FA cups in the past decade. Arsenal fans constantly brag about being the most successful team in the FA cup history.

If United win the FA cup to go along with the league cup they have already won and finish inside the top four, they definitely would have had a better season than Arsenal.

The importance of domestic cups is dictated by your level in the league. Arsenal have celebrated FA Cups at a time when they were struggling in the league.

When you are not in contention for winning the league, you will obviously prioritize domestic cups. For example, in Arteta’s first season, Arsenal was scraping to a top 8 finish so winning the FA Cup meant a lot.

This season, Arsenal found itself with a very strong chance of winning the league. The squad was not big enough to prioritize all competitions so Arsenal had to put their eggs in one basket.

This is why Arteta fielded a weakened team at City of all places in the FA Cup 4th round.

For a team like City, that has eyes on the league title and the CL, winning domestic cups including the FA Cup means nothing.

The FA Cup only matters to them because it can help them do a treble. If they had failed to win the PL and if they fail to win the CL, they wouldn’t care about the FA Cup.

I wouldn’t say that if Arsenal were to win the FA Cup this season, it wouldn’t have been better than not winning anything. However, winning the FA Cup would not have lessened the disappointment of letting the title slip from their fingers.

I would prefer a second place with a genuine title challenge over a top 4 position + domestic cups but no title challenge.

Not every second place finish is the same. For example, United finishing second in 2017-18 but 19 points behind City meant nothing. However, the way Arsenal went toe to toe with City this season is better than having to scrape to a top 4 and winning domestic cups.

A title challenge is a power statement. It builds credibility, raises the image of the team and makes it an attractive proposition for the top players. United is a bigger club than Arsenal historically, but if most big players have to choose between the two clubs today with the same money on the table, they would choose Arsenal because Arsenal is in a much stronger position to challenge for the PL title.

In spite of the collapse, the image of Arsenal has changed over the past 12 months. Last year at this time, Arsenal was seen as a top 4 contender provided that they do good business in the market. Now, Arsenal is expected to challenge for the title again next season.

United’s perception hasn’t changed significantly in spite of winning domestic cup(s) because they are still struggling in the league. However, they are trending in the right direction under TH but a lot of work still needs to be done.

When you look at United’s current level, they are nowhere near challenging for the league and are nowhere near Arsenal. They pretended that it was a three horse race for the title but that only lasted for 2 weeks.

When you are huffing and puffing to a top 4 position, you have to view winning domestic cups as a success. However, the true litmus test of the strength of a team is league position and performance in the UCL.

Arsenal have been so superior to United this season that even if Arsenal lose its remaining two matches and United wins its remaining three, Arsenal will still have 6 more points.

You can kid yourself that if United fluke the FA Cup final against City, they would have had the better season but a quick look at the PL table tells a different story.

In summary, you would rather be in Arsenal’s position than United’s right now. United fans can be in denial all the want, but they would happily swap places with Arsenal because Arsenal is far more likely to win the league next season compared to United.
 
Arsenal are preparing a £92m offer for West Ham and England midfielder Declan Rice, 24, which would be a club record transfer for the Gunners. (The Telegraph)

Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta is also interested in signing Manchester City and Portugal full-back Joao Cancelo, 28, currently on loan at Bayern Munich, but Arsenal fear City will be reluctant to do business with them this summer. (Talksport)

Arsenal and Norway midfielder Martin Odegaard is set to sign a new deal with the club, with the 24-year-old's current contract set to run out in 2025. (90min)

Arsenal's Albert Sambi Lokonga, 23, could be interested in a move to Burnley to be reunited with manager Vincent Kompany, who coached the Belgian at Anderlecht. (Express)
 
Granit Xhaka: Arsenal midfielder likely to leave Emirates Stadium this summer with Bayer Leverkusen confident of deal

Arsenal midfielder Granit Xhaka is increasingly likely to leave the club this summer.

Xhaka is about to enter final 12 months of his contract and - as it stands - no talks are planned over an extension.

Bayer Leverkusen are thought to be confident of signing him for next season.

The 30-year-old is in his seventh season at Arsenal. He joined from Borussia Monchengladbach for around £30m in 2016.

The Swiss midfielder is in the best scoring season at the club, having netted seven times in all competitions in a new-found attacking role for Arsenal this term.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...enal-this-summer-leverkusen-confident-of-deal
 
This season, Arsenal found itself with a very strong chance of winning the league. The squad was not big enough to prioritize all competitions so Arsenal had to put their eggs in one basket.

This is why Arteta fielded a weakened team at City of all places in the FA Cup 4th round.

So Arteta threw away all the other competitions to win the league. How did that work out in the end?

I would prefer a second place with a genuine title challenge over a top 4 position + domestic cups but no title challenge.

So you would prefer zero trophies over two trophies?

Football is about winning trophies, especially for big clubs like Arsenal, Man United, etc.

Nobody remembers losers and the team that finishes 2nd is the first loser.

In spite of the collapse, the image of Arsenal has changed over the past 12 months. Last year at this time, Arsenal was seen as a top 4 contender provided that they do good business in the market. Now, Arsenal is expected to challenge for the title again next season.

United’s perception hasn’t changed significantly in spite of winning domestic cup(s) because they are still struggling in the league. However, they are trending in the right direction under TH but a lot of work still needs to be done.

When you look at United’s current level, they are nowhere near challenging for the league and are nowhere near Arsenal. They pretended that it was a three horse race for the title but that only lasted for 2 weeks.

Arsenal have been so superior to United this season that even if Arsenal lose its remaining two matches and United wins its remaining three, Arsenal will still have 6 more points.

Mate, you are talking as if Arsenal have been challenging for titles for years. They aren't Man City. There is no guarantee that Arsenal will even challenge for the title next season. This season could be a one off.

You can kid yourself that if United fluke the FA Cup final against City, they would have had the better season but a quick look at the PL table tells a different story.

I fully expect Man City to beat Man Utd in the FA cup, but it won't be a fluke if we beat Man City. We already beat them once this season, which is one more time than Arsenal have beaten Man City in years. Even under Ole, who was a terrible manager, we managed to beat City a few times. Man United beating Man City won't be a fluke, but Arsenal beating Man City will be one.

If Man United win the FA Cup, we would have had a better season. Two trophies > Zero trophies. Premier League isn't the only competition that exists. You are celebrating finishing second after spending 90% of the season at the top. That is low.

In summary, you would rather be in Arsenal’s position than United’s right now. United fans can be in denial all the want, but they would happily swap places with Arsenal because Arsenal is far more likely to win the league next season compared to United.

Bro, as long as Pep is at Man City, no other team is going to win the league. But if United get the Qatari money, they are way more likely to pose a threat to Man City than Arsenal.
 
Arsenal are set to bid £85m for Declan Rice, sources have told Football Insider. Arsenal are now pushing to get a deal for Rice over the line, but their opening bid will be below West Ham’s £100m mark.

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Watch Chelsea or someone else just offer 100M straight away, another Edu disaster class on its way.
 
So Arteta threw away all the other competitions to win the league. How did that work out in the end?

It didn't work out in the end but it doesn't mean it wasn't the right decision at the time. There is no guarantee that Arsenal would have won any of the three cups had Arteta prioritized them. If Arteta had prioritized the other three cups and played the main players, the same people would have criticized him for not rotating his players and not giving the PL the priority.

In fact, it has happened already. Saliba got injured vs Sporting and Arsenal's defense has been in tatters since his absence. A lot of fans are criticizing Arteta for not resting him in Europa League.

So you would prefer zero trophies over two trophies?

Football is about winning trophies, especially for big clubs like Arsenal, Man United, etc.

Nobody remembers losers and the team that finishes 2nd is the first loser.

Yes, I would prefer a second place and a proper title challenge over FA Cup and League Cups. The true strength of a team is reflected in league performances. An average team can win the FA Cup and the League Cup but it cannot challenge for a league title and finish in the top two.

The big clubs do not care about domestic trophies if they fail to challenge for the league title. A club like Manchester United has to fight for the title every season. Anything short of a title challenge is not good enough and winning the league cup does not make up for it.

Most United fans are happy with ETH because it is his first season and the club finally has some direction. However, I can assure you that if United have the exact same season next year as well, i.e. scrape to a 4th place with no title challenge and 1-2 domestic cups, a lot of United fans will be frustrated with him and would want him gone.

They won't say that football is about winning trophies and we are winning domestic cups so it is okay if we are not challenging for the league title. You have to challenge for the title every season and I'm very happy with the fact that Arsenal have established itself as the second best team in the league and finally have something to build on and push forward. All credit goes to Arteta and the board for backing him when ignorant and impatient fans wanted him sacked last season.

Mate, you are talking as if Arsenal have been challenging for titles for years. They aren't Man City. There is no guarantee that Arsenal will even challenge for the title next season. This season could be a one off.

There is no guarantee for anything in football but Arsenal right now is in a much better position than all other teams except City to fight for the title next season as well because they are better than everyone else and is no longer a club that will be forced to sell its best players, which means that it can build on what it has and get stronger.


I fully expect Man City to beat Man Utd in the FA cup, but it won't be a fluke if we beat Man City. We already beat them once this season, which is one more time than Arsenal have beaten Man City in years. Even under Ole, who was a terrible manager, we managed to beat City a few times. Man United beating Man City won't be a fluke, but Arsenal beating Man City will be one.

Unfortunately there is no "we beat Man City" trophy. You can beat Man City a million times but a quick look at the PL table tells us that Arsenal are a far a superior team than United right now. the PL table does not lie.

If Man United win the FA Cup, we would have had a better season. Two trophies > Zero trophies. Premier League isn't the only competition that exists. You are celebrating finishing second after spending 90% of the season at the top. That is low.

As I said above, if ETH reproduces the exact same season next year, a lot of United fans would want him sacked. A club like United has to challenge for the PL title every season. Any season where United fails to challenge for the PL title is a failure irrespective of how it performed in domestic cups. The only exception would be if they fail to challenge for the PL title but end up winning the UCL.

The league is the true litmus test of the strength of a team. Anything can happen in cup competitions because it is one-off, but the true quality will always shine through in league competitions. The best teams and the best managers always win a lot of league titles.

Bro, as long as Pep is at Man City, no other team is going to win the league. But if United get the Qatari money, they are way more likely to pose a threat to Man City than Arsenal.

Liverpool won the PL in 2020. There is no reason why Arsenal cannot do the same. They almost did it this year and they should be stronger next year because they will not lose their best players and should be able to make quality signings thanks to the CL money and the improved stature of the club. United fans are dreaming of Qatari money and we will see if and when that happens but for now, Arsenal is a much better team and in a much better position to be City's main rival next season as well.
 
Arsenal goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale has signed a new "long-term" contract with the Premier League club.

The Gunners have not revealed the length of the deal but manager Mikel Arteta said he was "looking forward to enjoying many more years of Aaron at the club".

Ramsdale, 25, has played in all 36 league games during Arsenal's challenge for the title this season.

"The way Aaron's developed has been exceptional," added Arteta.

Ramsdale, whose previous contract was due to expire in 2025, joined Arsenal from Sheffield United in August 2021 in a deal worth £24m plus a further £6m in add-ons.

He has kept 13 top-flight clean sheets this season and has been capped by England three times.

Arsenal are second in the Premier League table, four points behind Manchester City who will win the title if the Gunners lose at Nottingham Forest on Saturday (17:30 BST).
 
Brighton got slapped by Everton and Newcastle inbetween the Arsenal game.

Just shows how gutless of a cowards performance Arsenal put in. Just shows the lack of mental toughness at the club.
 
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🤦*♂️🤦*♂️ league was bottled weeks ago, 2 wins for 7 games, thats on the clueless manager.
 
When you get closer to the top then the margins are smaller. What makes you win or lose, it’s minimal. What we have ahead of us this summer is important and we have to absolutely nail it.”

From Arteta

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If your going to keep dropping points or not winning consecutive games etc.. you ain't winning anything.

Last season

- Lost 1st 3 games of the PL season
- lost 3 in 4 games vs everton, Liverpool, Man united
- didn't win a game in January (lost to City, drew vs Burnley in PL, drew and lost vs Liverpool in LC, lost in FA Cup vs Notts forrest)
- lost 3 games in a row (Palace, Southampton, brighton)
- lost 2 games in a row (spurs, newcastle)

This season

- 3 games without a win (Everton, Brentford, man City)
- 4 games without a win (Liverpool, west ham, Southampton, man city)

Weak mentality, and an inability to turn around bad results straight away.

So Arteta can flap him gums all he wants about fine margins, when he's one of main reasons club is bottling it each season.
 
I am so disappointed in Arsenal, they had everyones support to disrupt the City monopoly. Pep is simply an alien when it comes to league football. How do you stop him on a run like this?

Arsenal deserve credit for how they have competed against one of the best teams of all time, but you just feel they crumbled under the pressure despite taking the high ground
 
When you get closer to the top then the margins are smaller. What makes you win or lose, it’s minimal. What we have ahead of us this summer is important and we have to absolutely nail it.”

From Arteta

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If your going to keep dropping points or not winning consecutive games etc.. you ain't winning anything.

Last season

- Lost 1st 3 games of the PL season
- lost 3 in 4 games vs everton, Liverpool, Man united
- didn't win a game in January (lost to City, drew vs Burnley in PL, drew and lost vs Liverpool in LC, lost in FA Cup vs Notts forrest)
- lost 3 games in a row (Palace, Southampton, brighton)
- lost 2 games in a row (spurs, newcastle)

This season

- 3 games without a win (Everton, Brentford, man City)
- 4 games without a win (Liverpool, west ham, Southampton, man city)

Weak mentality, and an inability to turn around bad results straight away.

So Arteta can flap him gums all he wants about fine margins, when he's one of main reasons club is bottling it each season.

They should have won at least 4 of those games
 
Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta says his side have "made strong steps" this season, regardless of how their final two Premier League games play out.

The Gunners travel to relegation-threatened Nottingham Forest on Saturday, knowing defeat would hand the title to Manchester City.

Arteta's side were seven points clear at the top on 26 December but are now four points behind City.

"We have built that core and that foundation," Arteta said.

"There's a lot of quality, a lot of youth, a lot of enthusiasm, but as well surrounded by a lot of good people with the right experience, with a lot of leadership around them.

"We have to continue to do that because the demands, the expectations, the challenges next season will be even higher."

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Arsenal lost just once in the league between the start of the season and February, establishing a strong lead at the top of the table.

But three consecutive draws against Liverpool, West Ham and Southampton in April were followed by a 4-1 defeat at Manchester City.

The Gunners got back to winning ways at high-flying Newcastle on 7 May, but were beaten 3-0 at home by Brighton last weekend as Guardiola's side opened up a lead on their title rivals.

With City having played one game less than Arsenal, defeat at Forest on Saturday would confirm Guardiola's team as champions before they host Chelsea on Sunday.

A draw would keep Arteta's team in the race mathematically - they could finish level on points with City, but the reigning champions have a far superior goal difference.

When asked if how Arsenal's season has played out was "painful", Arteta said: "It depends on what the pain is.

"There are lots of moments to be extremely pleased with what we've done. Let's see where we finish in the next two games.

"Pain is part of football - when you don't win, when you don't perform at your level, it has to hurt.

"It has to hurt the right way and you have to use that pain to become better and to find answers and solutions that can help you win more."

BBC
 
They should have won at least 4 of those games

We didn't even beat Southampton home or away this season. The west ham, Southampton, brighton results were unacceptable.

Add to that we have lost 12 PL games in a row vs man city, you can tell team has no confidence when it comes to playing vs man city.
 
Arsenal are reportedly looking to include a buy-back clause in a deal that will see Charlie Patino leave.

The 19-year-old academy product is set to leave the Gunners on a permanent deal this summer.
 
Arsenal are reportedly looking to include a buy-back clause in a deal that will see Charlie Patino leave.

The 19-year-old academy product is set to leave the Gunners on a permanent deal this summer.

Good move to have buy back Clause, hopefully he will develop well elsewhere and return to club one day.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

I hope you watched second leg of City against Madrid and have now finally seen the light because this game highlighted another case in point with what happens to make shift full backs who can't defend. Camavinga got torn apart.
 
The most hurtful on that list is 02/03, pretty much over a 3 season period Arsenal were best team in country by quite a distance

01/02 - won double
02/03 - threw 8 point lead away in March, won FA Cup
03/04 - Invincibles

Arsenal should have won league 3 years in a row, not only that they should have been looking at 3 PL and FA Cup doubles in a row. United side weren't that good, and Arsenal imploded in that 02/03 season.

7 games to go Arsenal should have strolled to a league title, instead 3 draws vs Villa, Bolton (threw 2-0 lead away), united and home defeats vs Leeds (2-3) in space of 5 games cost the title.

I've never felt so angry with a title been thrown away like that, especially with team we had back then.

Yeah Vieira is spot on with lack of leaders.

Remind me, was this the same season when we bottled it against Big Sam's Bolton side?

To be in the lead for this length of time this season and then to miss out is completely unacceptable. I did expect it because deep down I knew a 5 point lead wasn't enough. We needed a safety net of 10 points and you don't deserve to win the title if you lose two games against your title rivals.
 
Remind me, was this the same season when we bottled it against Big Sam's Bolton side?

To be in the lead for this length of time this season and then to miss out is completely unacceptable. I did expect it because deep down I knew a 5 point lead wasn't enough. We needed a safety net of 10 points and you don't deserve to win the title if you lose two games against your title rivals.

Yeah that was big Sam's bolton. We won away to bolton the season before 2-0 on way to title. This time they threw a 2-0 lead away and was one of games which cost the team the league. Playing a donkey like Cygan ( just as bad as Rob holding) didn't help. Back then bolton did have a few good players like ochocha and djorkaeff.

I always knew this season the Liverpool results was the key one. That's why at no point did I think we would win title. Saj kept asking question and I said ask me after Liverpool game, if we had won thar game I think we would have.

Also all along I said 90 points will win title, Arsenal ain't getting 90 points.

Mentally this team knows they can't beat city when they play them. Also now it's being said that after dropping points in all these games, Arteta had meeting with players and said the season was a success. When the clubs manager for 2nd season running is calling it a succees after bottling top 4 and now the PL, the club ain't winning anything. A loser and weak mentality is there because of Arteta and supposedly it was the "toxic players" of past that were a problem. Yeah we did need to go to City with a bigger lead then we did but both occasions before we played them we bottled games.

This won't change next season either as their is no accountability for failure, just celebrating mediocrity.
 
Seems Arsenal are still in the race to sign Declan Rice.

I guess it might depend on who they can offload in the coming weeks.
 
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