Arsenal FC | 2023/24 Season

[Mamoon]

The Arsenal fan defending Arteta (over Wenger too) doesn't rate the PL at all.

You don't have to convince me.

Anyway, after 38 games, the question always remains whether the team at the top fluked it or earned it.

Whether the PL is the toughest league in the world or not is a debate for another day, another thread and another time.

PL fans like to blow their own trumpet and look down too much on other leagues which is their delusion but, we all know how much you will cry and suffer when Arsenal win the league under Arteta.

I can already picture it - attrition, fluke, luck, didn’t deserve it, one season wonder etc.

We will see a complete assortment of painful tears and bitterness and I will make sure it to rub it in because the other Arsenal fans on this forum except @MenInG and @Firebat clearly lack the courage to defend their club and not tolerate such trolling and disrespect.

 

[IMMY69]

I love the anti-Arsenal guys trying to tell us that Arteta is the reason we are not wining the league.

Crocodile tears etc.

For Arsenal - onwards and upwards! (or whichever way you want to read it)

They're both too smart and are just trolling one poster in particular...

Meanwhile two "actual" Arsenal fans are going at it hammer and tongs so much so that you have to wonder whether they actually support the team...

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed


Firstly, Liverpool choked 18/19 as much as Arsenal choked 22/23.

In 18/19, Liverpool had a 9 point lead over City after 20 games. To surrender a 9 point lead over the next 18 matches was a massive choke. It was a meltdown.

People laughably don’t perceive it as a choke like Arsenal last season because it didn’t happen right at the end and since Liverpool played really well in the last few games and finished on level points, people forget that they had a 9 point lead at one point.

The only real difference between Arsenal 22-23 and Liverpool 18-19 was the timing and sequence of the collapse.

Deciding the winner on the final day adds to the drama for sure but it is not a mandatory prerequisite for an intense and competitive title race.

Not every title race is the same either. They all have different character, different context. Different emotions.

The 22/23 was one of the best title races ever because you had a team that was not fancied before the season and a winning machine that went toe to toe for almost 90% of the the season.

Arsenal lead for 90% of the season, City always remained at their tails and eventually hunted them down with a few matches to go.

Throughout the season, it was a race between two clubs only. It was a great battle and the ending might have been slightly anti-climatic, but it doesn’t take away from the roller-coaster ride that the season proved to be.

If it had gone to the final day it would have been a stronger contender for the best title race in PL history, but even now, it ranks amongst the best.

To say that it wasn’t a title race or that Aston Villa’s league position this season after 17 matches is as much of a title charge as Arsenal last season.

I suggest you learn to read, I clear said Villa current league position is on merit after 17 games, I also indicated that in the calender year they had won 25 games so their "so called flash in pan" nonsense you came up with holds zero facts.

I said villa were a dangerous side and so they have proven consistently in "2023"

I won't even go into your attempt at yet another boring essay

99.9% posters here deal with facts, rather than fantasy statements you make.

Then you try to be clever and make a comparison which I didn't even make

I simple replied to your definition of what a title race is when I brought up Arsenal last season. You really are clutching at straws.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Seems like non Arsenal fans are using banter and some Arsenal fans can't handle .

If your going to dish it out to Liverpool, Villa, Newcastle fans etc... learn to take it as well.

I go to the Liverpool and Newcastle threads and banter fans and take banter in return

Seems at least 2 fans who won't be named are acting like snow flakes

 

[Mamoon]

I suggest you learn to read, I clear said Villa current league position is on merit after 17 games, I also indicated that in the calender year they had won 25 games so their "so called flash in pan" nonsense you came up with holds zero facts.

I said villa were a dangerous side and so they have proven consistently in "2023"

I won't even go into your attempt at yet another boring essay

99.9% posters here deal with facts, rather than fantasy statements you make.

Then you try to be clever and make a comparison which I didn't even make

I simple replied to your definition of what a title race is when I brought up Arsenal last season. You really are clutching at straws.

Learn to stand up for the club.

 

[MenInG]

Seems like non Arsenal fans are using banter and some Arsenal fans can't handle .

If your going to dish it out to Liverpool, Villa, Newcastle fans etc... learn to take it as well.

I go to the Liverpool and Newcastle threads and banter fans and take banter in return

Seems at least 2 fans who won't be named are acting like snow flakes

That is for fans of those clubs.

Arsenal is our club so let's show a bit more backbone.

 

[MenInG]

Words of praise from the opposition.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1736666467523817893

 

[Amjid Javed]

Learn to stand up for the club you support and don’t let Arsenal haters troll the club with their disrespect and provocative statements.

I know it will take guts but I’m confident that you can find those guts.

There hasn't been any trolling all 3 non Arsenal fans have basically shot down your nonsical comments on Arteta and you didn't like it.

There is nothing for Me to defend here, in last 3 season Arteta has been a failure, Arsenal have bottled top 4 and a PL title.

That's the truth. I've said and non Arsenal fans have said it

When Arsenal and Arteta prove themselves and non Arsenal then chose to be disingenuous I will say what I need to.

Calm down with the over hyped and silly statements with zero substance.

 

[Mamoon]

Words of praise from the opposition.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1736666467523817893

But certain Arsenal “fans” will tell you that Arsenal’s defensive solidity is a myth and they are not hard to score from open play.

Who needs haters when you have such “fans”.

First team to stop Brighton from scoring a goal.

 

[shaz619]

Great opportunity for Arsenal to go all the way this season, it’s not a two horse race like it has been for a while so their odds have greatly improved.

 

[Amjid Javed]

But certain Arsenal “fans” will tell you that Arsenal’s defensive solidity is a myth and they are not hard to score from open play.

Who needs haters when you have such “fans”.

First team to stop Brighton from scoring a goal.

Oh wow yet another trophy parade

So far we have

"90% top of PL champions"

"We stop brighton from scoring trophy"

Then there is in the unveiling of the Arteta and havertz statues in your garden

Everyone get their cheerleading outfits on

 

[Amjid Javed]

Great opportunity for Arsenal to go all the way this season, it’s not a two horse race like it has been for a while so their odds have greatly improved.

Title race like every season starts at end of March.

Right now teams are just trying to get into strong position at top of league so that cone March they are able to try and win the title.

 

[Technics 1210]

Arsenal's odds of winning the title have improved not because Arteta is some genius but because the big boys haven't come to the party this season.

Take Man City for instance, 7 points from the last 18, with 3 home draws. Their drop in performance simply means Arsenal, and Liverpool are vying for the top spot this week - otherwise City would be topping the table now.

With still over half the games to go, City could step up a gear after xmas as they did last season. This is why it is premature for certain Arsenal fans to be doing Bhangra over Arsenal scraping a win against relegation fighters Luton in match week 15, and Liverpool drawing vs Man U in match week 17.

We are fully aware of what happens with premature celebrations, it can lead to the - it’s in the bag - outcome.

 

[shaz619]

Title race like every season starts at end of March.

Right now teams are just trying to get into strong position at top of league so that cone March they are able to try and win the title.

I agree, but it’s a good start for you nevertheless.

The weather is going to test the conditioning of some players around then to

 

[Amjid Javed]

I agree, but it’s a good start for you nevertheless.

The weather is going to test the conditioning of some players around then to

Good start indeed - but not one to get carried away with.

Both Arsenal and Liverpool will miss key players at Afcons / Asia cup in January and February so that has to be taken into consideration

Arsenal go to Anfield next week, our record their in recent times has been atrocious, that needs to change.

Our big away game performances (Newcastle, Chelsea, villa) have been poor and we can't afford to be like at Anfield

We also play Liverpool at start of Feb, meaning partey, Tomiyasu will be missing and Liverpool will have no salah.

These 2 games will have a huge baring on teams trying to get to March in pole position to go at this title.

Last season KingKhanWC and Saj kept asking the question Arsenal favs for title before the Anfield game and I said ask me the question after and il give an honest answer.

Whilst City are stuttering, Arsenal need to make a statement against Liverpool in both games. Any side winning league has statement wins, when you look back and say "yeah they proved themselves champions that day"

Mentally this team has a lot to prove that it can win trophies, a better under pressure mentality needs to be shown.

Sadly the snowflakes in fan base aren't man enough to be honest on that aspect

 

[Amjid Javed]

Porto for Arsenal in last 16 CL

 

[Mamoon]

There hasn't been any trolling all 3 non Arsenal fans have basically shot down your nonsical comments on Arteta and you didn't like it.

Is it not trolling to say that Aston Villa is bigger than Arsenal?

Is it not trolling to say that Arsenal is on par with Blackburn Rovers?

Is it not trolling to say that Arsenal haven’t improved and that they have only capitalized on the regression of United and Chelsea?

United and Chelsea were stronger than Arsenal when Arteta took over and they have spent more money than Arteta and yet Arsenal are far better than them today.

Why? Simply because they haven’t had a proper manager like Arteta who knows how to build a squad and how to invest effectively.

If Arteta was at Chelsea or United or if they had managers of his caliber, they wouldn’t have regressed.

There is nothing for Me to defend here, in last 3 season Arteta has been a failure, Arsenal have bottled top 4 and a PL title.

That's the truth. I've said and non Arsenal fans have said it

When Arsenal and Arteta prove themselves and non Arsenal then chose to be disingenuous I will say what I need to.

Calm down with the over hyped and silly statements with zero substance.

What you call bottling is what I call progression and heading in the right direction.

2020-21 (Arteta First full season):

Arsenal finished 8th with 61 points

2021-22 (second full season):

Arsenal finished 5th with 69 points

2022-23 (third full season):

Arsenal finished 2nd with 84 points

It is obvious that the club is trending upwards and the manager and the board have a clear idea of how to build a title winning squad piece by piece, brick by brick.

You talk about standards. What standards? The standards had dropped alarmingly in the last few years if Wenger where finish 4th was celebrated like a trophy.

There was no expectation from the club that they will fight for the PL. Since 04/05, Arsenal had only challenged for the title twice - 07/08 and 15/16 so please don’t take about standards.

The standard had dropped alarmingly and this is why Wenger had to go and a new manager with fresh ideas and hunger to win was required to demand more from the players and raise the standards.

Emery, the small manager that he is, didn’t have the mentality and the personality to rebuild Arsenal and fight for the title. Arteta does but it cannot happen overnight and it is not a one season or two seasons job.

Arsenal’s culture was rotten to the core. The relationship between the club and fans had become very toxic. The atmosphere of the club was dead.

The players were lazy and Arteta had to rebuild all of that and he has done a fabulous job and is now very very close to lifting the title and there is no doubt that he will eventually get there.

United have been trying to do the same but they are unable to do so because they can’t find a manager who is as good as Arteta.

 

[Mamoon]

Arsenal's odds of winning the title have improved not because Arteta is some genius but because the big boys haven't come to the party this season.

Take Man City for instance, 7 points from the last 18, with 3 home draws. Their drop in performance simply means Arsenal, and Liverpool are vying for the top spot this week - otherwise City would be topping the table now.

With still over half the games to go, City could step up a gear after xmas as they did last season. This is why it is premature for certain Arsenal fans to be doing Bhangra over Arsenal scraping a win against relegation fighters Luton in match week 15, and Liverpool drawing vs Man U in match week 17.

We are fully aware of what happens with premature celebrations, it can lead to the - it’s in the bag - outcome.

You don’t seem to understand how the league system works.

You need to win your games and hope that your competitors drop points. This is how it works and this is how every team wins the competition and this is how City won it last season.

Arsenal had a substantial lead until the last 10 matches and City had to win their matches and hope that Arsenal slip up which they did. If Arsenal had not slipped up, they would have won the league..

Arsenal have been the best team in the league this season. Yes they have scraped a few wins but every eventual champion scrapes such wins. These are the points that win you the titles.

Even City last season, and in the last 3 seasons overall where they have won three consecutive titles, have scraped plenty of wins.

Arsenal have a better chance of holding on to their lead this time because of their defensive solidity.

Declan Rice has been sensational and the most influential player in the competition so far. There is no way Arsenal would have been top without him.

 

[Technics 1210]

When Arsenal fans claim Arteta is a better manager than Wenger.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Is it not trolling to say that Aston Villa is bigger than Arsenal?

Is it not trolling to say that Arsenal is on par with Blackburn Rovers?

Is it not trolling to say that Arsenal haven’t improved and that they have only capitalized on the regression of United and Chelsea?

United and Chelsea were stronger than Arsenal when Arteta took over and they have spent more money than Arteta and yet Arsenal are far better than them today.

Why? Simply because they haven’t had a proper manager like Arteta who knows how to build a squad and how to invest effectively.

If Arteta was at Chelsea or United or if they had managers of his caliber, they wouldn’t have regressed.

What you call bottling is what I call progression and heading in the right direction.

2020-21 (Arteta First full season):

Arsenal finished 8th with 61 points

2021-22 (second full season):

Arsenal finished 5th with 69 points

2022-23 (third full season):

Arsenal finished 2nd with 84 points

It is obvious that the club is trending upwards and the manager and the board have a clear idea of how to build a title winning squad piece by piece, brick by brick.

You talk about standards. What standards? The standards had dropped alarmingly in the last few years if Wenger where finish 4th was celebrated like a trophy.

There was no expectation from the club that they will fight for the PL. Since 04/05, Arsenal had only challenged for the title twice - 07/08 and 15/16 so please don’t take about standards.

The standard had dropped alarmingly and this is why Wenger had to go and a new manager with fresh ideas and hunger to win was required to demand more from the players and raise the standards.

Emery, the small manager that he is, didn’t have the mentality and the personality to rebuild Arsenal and fight for the title. Arteta does but it cannot happen overnight and it is not a one season or two seasons job.

Arsenal’s culture was rotten to the core. The relationship between the club and fans had become very toxic. The atmosphere of the club was dead.

The players were lazy and Arteta had to rebuild all of that and he has done a fabulous job and is now very very close to lifting the title and there is no doubt that he will eventually get there.

United have been trying to do the same but they are unable to do so because they can’t find a manager who is as good as Arteta.

I don't care about Chelsea and United. Chelsea haven't challenged for the league for 6 or 7 years now.

United are a mess and shambles.

Arsenal are progressing! No

If you had learnt to read I already mentioned that before, progression that has yielded nothing.


I hold my club to high standards

The guy was poorly backed by the board in his 1st season with just 50M to spend and then in his 2nd season, given none of the players he asked for. So most managers would fail in that case l.

Then we have only Arteta can do this, that and the other..

The irony is that if Emery some how won the PL with Villa in his 1st full season at the club while Arteta in "phase 5"

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Learn to stand up for the club you support.

Your staunch defence of Arsenal is admirable

 

[Amjid Javed]

Your staunch defence of Arsenal is admirable and I sort of get it if that's the way you want to roll

100% spot on, he picks and choose things according to what agenda is he trying to push.

Whereas me I'm honest and critical of all teams when it needs to be said.

 

[Mamoon]

exactly

When Arsenal fans claim Arteta is a better manager than Wenger.

No one has claimed that Arteta is already a better manager than Wenger. Arteta has a long way to go before he can be compared to Wenger. It will be moronic to suggest that Arteta is already better when he has not won anything yet. Yes he is very very close and he will eventually do it, but until he does, he should not be compared.

However, it will be equally moronic to suggest that Arteta can never be compared or can never surpass Wenger. He definitely can because he has the potential and the time to do so.

He has 20+ years of coaching career left and there is a very good possibility that he will be at Arsenal for another 10 years if not more. He has all the time in the world to leave his own legacy that can be comparable to Wenger's and if he does that it will not jeopardize or negate the legacy and impact Wenger has on the club.

It will be a huge success story for the club to have another manager to take the mantle from Wenger and usher the club into a new era and wrote a new chapter for Arsenal.

 

[Mamoon]

Your staunch defence of Arsenal is admirable

Whether this is genuine praise or sarcastic criticism, I will take both because I respect your opinion and the reason I respect your opinion is because you are not driving an agenda against Arteta like others. You have mentioned this on numerous occasions that he has done a great job and if anyone cannot see that he is either a blatant troll with an agenda or has no idea about football.

 

[Mamoon]

I don't care about Chelsea and United. Chelsea haven't challenged for the league for 6 or 7 years now.

United are a mess and shambles.

Arsenal are progressing! No

If you had learnt to read I already mentioned that before, progression that has yielded nothing.

Whether you care or not makes no difference. The world doesn't revolve around what you care about and what not. The fact of the matter is that you have to understand what is going wrong and what has gone wrong at United and Chelsea and what Arsenal have done differently.

I know it hurts you like hell but the fact of the matter is that the only difference between Arsenal and United/Chelsea is the fact that Arsenal have a proper manager like Arteta while they have had managers who don't have a clue about squad building.

I hold my club to high standards

You should but when standards are compromised, which happened at Arsenal for 15 years when the club oversaw a slow stagnation, you cannot lift those standards immediately. It is a step-by-step process. It is not a one or two season job because the damage that was done and the way the club decayed and stagnated required a lengthy overhaul and reset.

Arsenal under Arteta went from fighting to stay in the top 10 to fighting for a top 4 to fighting for the title today. This is called progression and restoring the standards.

Today, Arsenal fans will be disappointed if they don't win the league. That is the expectation and that is the demand. Only 2-3 years later, Arsenal fans were disappointed at missing European football because winning the league was not even an option.

This season, finishing second will be a disappointment. Finishing third will be a failure. 2 seasons ago, finishing second and third would have been brilliant results and no Arsenal fans would have been disappointed with that.

That is what you can restoring and lifting the standards and this what Arteta has done. You claimed that you are "genuine". You are not. If you were genuine, you would acknowledge that Arteta has done great work, the club is heading in the right direction and are very very closing to winning major titles.

There is a school of thought that would say that yes, Arsenal is treading in the right direction but this progression will only be validated if Arteta wins that league. Is it a fair assessment? perhaps, but you don't adhere to this school of thought because we both know that when Arteta wins the league, you will not have the honesty and class to put your hand up and admit that you were wrong about everything that you said about Arteta and he has proved your wrong.

You will never say that. You will simply try to find a way to downplay the achievement, make excuses and claim that it is not a big deal because after all the years of trust and backing, it was his job to win the league.

You are not genuine. You have a toxic agenda against Arteta and that is why I have a problem with you and all those who have toxic agendas. There is a world of difference between offering genuine criticism and discussing the weak areas of Arteta and where he could have done better and can do better in the future and criticizing him for everything and peddling the laughable narrative that he has been a failure and Arsenal have not progressed at all under him. That is absolute nonsense and you know that but you wouldn't admit it.

The guy was poorly backed by the board in his 1st season with just 50M to spend and then in his 2nd season, given none of the players he asked for. So most managers would fail in that case l.

Very few managers always gets the player that they want. Do you think the board has given Arteta every player that Arteta wanted? Absolutely not. You keep telling us that Edu is the worst technical director in history but now you are also implying that Arteta gets what he wants. Both cannot be true, you need to make up your mind. Although with the signing of Rice, Edu has proved you wrong in spectacular fashion just like Arteta has proved you wrong in spectacular fashion.

Back to Emery - not getting all the players he wanted is a problem that almost all managers have to deal with including Arteta. Emery failed not because of his results (even Artete has had very lean period in terms of results) but because he failed to sell his ideas and his vision to the board which is they didn't have faith in his abilities to take the club back to the top in the long-term. If they did, he would still be Arsenal manager.

Under Emery, there was no clear idea of what he was trying to do and what his long-term goal was. The way he communicated (and I'm not talking about his language barrier), his body language, his ideas - it was clear that he had no idea what he was doing and what his vision.

Arteta carried a different vibe the moment he walked into the room as Arsenal manager. The way he spoke, the vision that he had, the way Arsenal adopted a distinct style on the pitch that never happened under Emery. It was obvious with him just like it was obvious with Klopp in 2015-2016, i.e. it was obvious that he had a clear idea of what he wanted to do and he knew what it would take to take the team to the top but it will be a lengthy process because he doesn't have the players to execute his ideas on the pitch and brick by brick, he started building his team and the outcome of that rehaul is the progression that mentioned:

2020-21 (Arteta First full season):

Arsenal finished 8th with 61 points

2021-22 (second full season):

Arsenal finished 5th with 69 points

2022-23 (third full season):

Arsenal finished 2nd with 84 points

This is the outcome of the fact that with each passing season, the team became more and more Arteta's in terms of personnel and they were able to execute his ideas on the pitch. This is why Arsenal improved every season and now it has reached a point where Arteta fully owns the team that is in pole position to win the league this season and there is no doubt at all that Arteta will win two league titles over the next four seasons.

Then we have only Arteta can do this, that and the other..

The irony is that if Emery some how won the PL with Villa in his 1st full season at the club while Arteta in "phase 5"

I know you are praying day and night for Emery to win the league this season or somehow finish above Arsenal at least so that you can peddle your toxic agenda, but unfortunately it will not happen for you because neither Aston Villa neither Emery have what it takes.

If Emery had the personality, the character and the profile to win the PL, he would not have been sacked from PSG and Arsenal.

 

[topspin]

There is no such thing as Villa being in a title race just like there was no such thing as Spurs being in a title race. Neither of the clubs are good enough.

You are contradicting your own self with your last comment. You don’t think they will sustain it until the end which means you agree that they are not in a title race.

Being in a title race means being in touching distance and taking it to business end of the season.

Everyone knows Villa will be 15+ points below the champions (Arsenal/Liverpool/City) come the end of the season and that isn’t a title race.

Being in touching distance with the top placed team after 17 matches and finishing a dozen points below the eventual champion after 38 matches isn’t called being in a title race.

If Villa can sustain this home form, they will end up meeting your title race criteria. You do realise they have won every single home game this season and are on a winning run of 15 home games after beating City and Arsenal? In this regard they have not only exceeded expectations but have also surpassed Arsenal, Liverpool and City this season.

Everyone expects Villa to fall short but write them off at your peril. Stranger things have happened in football.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Whether this is genuine praise or sarcastic criticism, I will take both because I respect your opinion and the reason I respect your opinion is because you are not driving an agenda against Arteta like others. You have mentioned this on numerous occasions that he has done a great job and if anyone cannot see that he is either a blatant troll with an agenda or has no idea about football.

I honestly think he's done a good job, as an outside observer I have no reason to praise him unnecessarily

I always judge managers on where the club/team was when they took over and where the club is now? To me it's absolutely clear Arsenal have improved massively

I'm not a fan of his post match interviews or his antics but I can be objective about how he's done

Criticis will compare other managers doing well in a shorter period of time but I always say no two situations are the same, not really fair to compare Emery/Howe doing well at their clubs with Arteta and Arsenal

 

[topspin]

The problem is that I’m the only Arsenal supporter with the guts to defend the club I support and not take nonsense from rival fans and deal with the trolling and agenda.

How ironic.

The trolling that's been going on here has become a precedent, thanks to you.

Prime example being post #1,500 and you still haven't stopped trolling AJ and I about Havertz just because he was garbage during from August to October.

Another example is Martinelli. Look at the things you've said about him. He's one of our better players and no Arsenal fan in their right mind would agree with you that he's a "Brain dead chicken"/"Brazilian Walcott".

Non-Arsenal fans see all this circus and get involved to troll you back, so many thanks and well done for making this thread become what it has today.

It takes guts to stand up for the club that you support.

Take your anti-Martinelli agenda away and be rational with your views on Havertz first, before talking about who has "guts to stand up for the club".

 

[Amjid Javed]

Whether you care or not makes no difference. The world doesn't revolve around what you care about and what not. The fact of the matter is that you have to understand what is going wrong and what has gone wrong at United and Chelsea and what Arsenal have done differently.

I know it hurts you like hell but the fact of the matter is that the only difference between Arsenal and United/Chelsea is the fact that Arsenal have a proper manager like Arteta while they have had managers who don't have a clue about squad building.

You should but when standards are compromised, which happened at Arsenal for 15 years when the club oversaw a slow stagnation, you cannot lift those standards immediately. It is a step-by-step process. It is not a one or two season job because the damage that was done and the way the club decayed and stagnated required a lengthy overhaul and reset.

Arsenal under Arteta went from fighting to stay in the top 10 to fighting for a top 4 to fighting for the title today. This is called progression and restoring the standards.

Today, Arsenal fans will be disappointed if they don't win the league. That is the expectation and that is the demand. Only 2-3 years later, Arsenal fans were disappointed at missing European football because winning the league was not even an option.

This season, finishing second will be a disappointment. Finishing third will be a failure. 2 seasons ago, finishing second and third would have been brilliant results and no Arsenal fans would have been disappointed with that.

That is what you can restoring and lifting the standards and this what Arteta has done. You claimed that you are "genuine". You are not. If you were genuine, you would acknowledge that Arteta has done great work, the club is heading in the right direction and are very very closing to winning major titles.

There is a school of thought that would say that yes, Arsenal is treading in the right direction but this progression will only be validated if Arteta wins that league. Is it a fair assessment? perhaps, but you don't adhere to this school of thought because we both know that when Arteta wins the league, you will not have the honesty and class to put your hand up and admit that you were wrong about everything that you said about Arteta and he has proved your wrong.

You will never say that. You will simply try to find a way to downplay the achievement, make excuses and claim that it is not a big deal because after all the years of trust and backing, it was his job to win the league.

You are not genuine. You have a toxic agenda against Arteta and that is why I have a problem with you and all those who have toxic agendas. There is a world of difference between offering genuine criticism and discussing the weak areas of Arteta and where he could have done better and can do better in the future and criticizing him for everything and peddling the laughable narrative that he has been a failure and Arsenal have not progressed at all under him. That is absolute nonsense and you know that but you wouldn't admit it.


Very few managers always gets the player that they want. Do you think the board has given Arteta every player that Arteta wanted? Absolutely not. You keep telling us that Edu is the worst technical director in history but now you are also implying that Arteta gets what he wants. Both cannot be true, you need to make up your mind. Although with the signing of Rice, Edu has proved you wrong in spectacular fashion just like Arteta has proved you wrong in spectacular fashion.

Back to Emery - not getting all the players he wanted is a problem that almost all managers have to deal with including Arteta. Emery failed not because of his results (even Artete has had very lean period in terms of results) but because he failed to sell his ideas and his vision to the board which is they didn't have faith in his abilities to take the club back to the top in the long-term. If they did, he would still be Arsenal manager.

Under Emery, there was no clear idea of what he was trying to do and what his long-term goal was. The way he communicated (and I'm not talking about his language barrier), his body language, his ideas - it was clear that he had no idea what he was doing and what his vision.

Arteta carried a different vibe the moment he walked into the room as Arsenal manager. The way he spoke, the vision that he had, the way Arsenal adopted a distinct style on the pitch that never happened under Emery. It was obvious with him just like it was obvious with Klopp in 2015-2016, i.e. it was obvious that he had a clear idea of what he wanted to do and he knew what it would take to take the team to the top but it will be a lengthy process because he doesn't have the players to execute his ideas on the pitch and brick by brick, he started building his team and the outcome of that rehaul is the progression that mentioned:

2020-21 (Arteta First full season):

Arsenal finished 8th with 61 points

2021-22 (second full season):

Arsenal finished 5th with 69 points

2022-23 (third full season):

Arsenal finished 2nd with 84 points

This is the outcome of the fact that with each passing season, the team became more and more Arteta's in terms of personnel and they were able to execute his ideas on the pitch. This is why Arsenal improved every season and now it has reached a point where Arteta fully owns the team that is in pole position to win the league this season and there is no doubt at all that Arteta will win two league titles over the next four seasons.




I know you are praying day and night for Emery to win the league this season or somehow finish above Arsenal at least so that you can peddle your toxic agenda, but unfortunately it will not happen for you because neither Aston Villa neither Emery have what it takes.

If Emery had the personality, the character and the profile to win the PL, he would not have been sacked from PSG and Arsenal.

Uve just copy and pasted the same as before.

Your after validation for mediocrity. Simply isn't going to happen.

 

[MK7Z]

Good to see this thread is still going the same way as I left it. None Arsenal fans drop antagonising comments which results in Arsenal fans arguing amonst themselves. Meanwhile I am just enjoying the fact we are top for now and see what happens at the end of the season. Judge it then. No point repeating the same stuff over and over so you can say you were right to some random on the internet.Odd

 

[Rana]

Decent second round tie. We should cruise past Porto

 

[MK7Z]

I honestly think he's done a good job, as an outside observer I have no reason to praise him unnecessarily

I always judge managers on where the club/team was when they took over and where the club is now? To me it's absolutely clear Arsenal have improved massively

I'm not a fan of his post match interviews or his antics but I can be objective about how he's done

Criticis will compare other managers doing well in a shorter period of time but I always say no two situations are the same, not really fair to compare Emery/Howe doing well at their clubs with Arteta and Arsenal

This is a good post.

I also believe he has done a good job to put us in a position where we are in the conversation for a title 2 years in a row.

The league on a whole is getting stronger every year so to be on a upward trajectory is impressive.

This season is key as I believe he cant afford for the trajectory to stagnate and needs a major. Depending on how this season ends could determine the next steps with Mikel. I want him to do well. He does well Arsenal do well, quite simple really.

 

[Technics 1210]

No real fan of Arsenal would ever place Arteta above Wenger, if they do it is for the giggles and should be ignored, furthermore real fans of Arsenal would pull up alleged Arsenal fans for doing so.

@Amjid Javed - you have probably seen this, but if not, it is worth the watch. I love how Wenger says his legacy at Arsenal started off with a ciggerete!

Watch Arsène Wenger: Invincible | Prime Video

ARSÈNE WENGER: INVINCIBLE is the definitive portrait of one of the greatest football managers of all time, told in his own words. Featuring remarkable access and previously unseen archive footage, directors Gabriel Clarke and Christian Jeanpierre draw back the veil on a truly enigmatic figure...

watch.amazon.co.uk

 

[Mamoon]

Uve just copy and pasted the same as before.

Your after validation for mediocrity. Simply isn't going to happen.

Well done on failing to counter even a single point that I made in the post that you quoted.

 

[Mamoon]

How ironic.

The trolling that's been going on here has become a precedent, thanks to you.

Prime example being post #1,500 and you still haven't stopped trolling AJ and I about Havertz just because he was garbage during from August to October.

Another example is Martinelli. Look at the things you've said about him. He's one of our better players and no Arsenal fan in their right mind would agree with you that he's a "Brain dead chicken"/"Brazilian Walcott".

Non-Arsenal fans see all this circus and get involved to troll you back, so many thanks and well done for making this thread become what it has today.



Take your anti-Martinelli agenda away and be rational with your views on Havertz first, before talking about who has "guts to stand up for the club".

You and Amjid should have shown more care and respect for Havertz who just joined Arsenal and was going through a difficult period in his career.

The toxic hatred, disrespect and agenda was not needed. You people didn’t give him a chance before writing him off.

All that was required was a bit of patience. He signed for a new team with a new system after having his career stagnated at Chelsea.

He was always going to take a few months to find his feet. Arteta knew it, a lot of Arsenal fans with patience knew it but the arrogance and toxicity of fans like you and Ajmad was completely irrational and now that Havertz is turning a corner, you don’t want to be trolled. Why?

You have to own up to what you said and face the consequences. The goalposts are now shifting. First he was a total flop and disaster, now he blows hot and cold and hasn’t justified his fee and wages yet etc.

You can keep shifting the goalposts, but the reality is you didn’t expect this turnaround from Havertz.

Back in September, you would have never believed that Havertz would score 4 goals in 6 games in Nov-Dec and win the Arsenal player of the month.

All I asked you for was a bit of patience and faith in a brilliant young manager who has proved on multiple occasions that he has what it takes to drive Arsenal forward and you have to trust his judgement.

I will keep rubbing it in as Havertz goes from strength to strength and plays a pivotal role in the next few years and helps Arsenal win major trophies.

As far as Martinelli is concerned, I have seen him as much as another Arsenal fan has seen him and I am fully convinced that this is the max potential that he has and it is clearly not a very high level and he is a player that Arsenal needs to replace in the long-term.

Two years from now, Saka should be the only remaining member of the front three to still be a permanent starter. There is room for improvement in the other two positions.

Martinelli will never be world class. He is a decent player at best and Arsenal now has the pull and the resources to look for the best in class players in every position.

As far as the anti-Arsenal fans trolling in this thread is concerned, you have to understand that it has nothing to do with me.

It has to do with the fact that these people showed their ignorance and arrogance by writing Arteta off and by claiming that he will never be good enough, he is just a number 2, he can only take out the cones for Pep etc.

Now that Arteta has egged them in the face and transformed Arsenal from a team struggling to stay in the top half to a team fighting for the title, they have no option but to troll and downplay the progression because they don’t have the spine to accept that they were wrong about him.

When Arteta wins Arsenal the league, they will still not accept it and will look for further desperate excuses like it was a fluke, a one season wonder, Arsenal weren’t great but others were poor etc. Get ready for such nonsense when Arsenal win the league.

Such salty tears and crying makes the success more enjoyable though. I won’t lie.

I mean - I would enjoy seeing Arteta win the league with Arsenal even more so because of the pain it would inflict on Amjid and I enjoy seeing Havertz do well knowing how much it upsets you since you were too quick to write him off.

As far as Emery is concerned, if he was capable of winning the PL with Aston Villa, he wouldn’t be managing them in the first place. He hasn’t got what it takes to win the league and neither does Aston Villa.

 

[Mamoon]

No real fan of Arsenal would ever place Arteta above Wenger, if they do it is for the giggles and should be ignored, furthermore real fans of Arsenal would pull up alleged Arsenal fans for doing so.

@Amjid Javed - you have probably seen this, but if not, it is worth the watch. I love how Wenger says his legacy at Arsenal started off with a ciggerete!

Watch Arsène Wenger: Invincible | Prime Video

ARSÈNE WENGER: INVINCIBLE is the definitive portrait of one of the greatest football managers of all time, told in his own words. Featuring remarkable access and previously unseen archive footage, directors Gabriel Clarke and Christian Jeanpierre draw back the veil on a truly enigmatic figure...

watch.amazon.co.uk

I agree. Can you please list the Arsenal fans who have claimed that Arteta is already better than Wenger?

Please give their names and quote what they said.

 

[Mamoon]

I honestly think he's done a good job, as an outside observer I have no reason to praise him unnecessarily

I always judge managers on where the club/team was when they took over and where the club is now? To me it's absolutely clear Arsenal have improved massively

I'm not a fan of his post match interviews or his antics but I can be objective about how he's done

Criticis will compare other managers doing well in a shorter period of time but I always say no two situations are the same, not really fair to compare Emery/Howe doing well at their clubs with Arteta and Arsenal

See, it is not that difficult to see that Arsenal have improved massively under Arteta.

Arsenal have gone from a team fighting to stay in the top 10 to a team that is fighting to win the PL.

How is this not progression and how is this “twerking” to mediocrity?

The problem for folks like Amjid and the anti-Arteta brigade is that they didn’t expect Arteta to take Arsenal forward and have them fight for the title.

They thought, and predicted, that Arsenal under Arteta will continue to struggle to get into the top 4 and he will be sacked.

Go back two years and none of them would have envisioned Arsenal finishing 2nd in 22/23 and topping the league in December in 23/24 under Arteta.

Arteta has also proved them wrong and hence they have to find new ways to downplay the progression the club has shown on his watch because they don’t have the courage to admit that they were wrong.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Well done on failing to counter even a single point that I made in the post that you quoted.

Uve copied and paste the same garbage before. What you wrote was nothing new.

Literally going on about Artetas "progression" - mediocrity cheer leading as usual.

When you come up with something new
Il provide you with a response.

Arteta will do this, Arteta will do that, is just cheerleading nonsense with no substance

 

[Amjid Javed]

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See, it is not that difficult to see that Arsenal have improved massively under Arteta.

Arsenal have gone from a team fighting to stay in the top 10 to a team that is fighting to win the PL.

How is this not progression and how is this “twerking” to mediocrity?

The problem for folks like Amjid and the anti-Arteta brigade is that they didn’t expect Arteta to take Arsenal forward and have them fight for the title.

They thought, and predicted, that Arsenal under Arteta will continue to struggle to get into the top 4 and he will be sacked.

Go back two years and none of them would have envisioned Arsenal finishing 2nd in 22/23 and topping the league in December in 23/24 under Arteta.

Arteta has also proved them wrong and hence they have to find new ways to downplay the progression the club has shown on his watch because they don’t have the courage to admit that they were wrong.

Arteta hasn't proved anything apart from bottling a EL semi final, top 4 race and PL title

The fact your premature exciting urself like a love teenager thinking "Arteta has proved himself"

All Arteta has done is prove he's brendon Rogers, pochetino level bottle job manager when it comes to PL.

Like I said twerking for mediocrity

 

[Amjid Javed]

Decent second round tie. We should cruise past Porto

We heard that same thing when we played sporting Lisbon, olympiakos and Villareal in the europa league.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If Villa can sustain this home form, they will end up meeting your title race criteria. You do realise they have won every single home game this season and are on a winning run of 15 home games after beating City and Arsenal? In this regard they have not only exceeded expectations but have also surpassed Arsenal, Liverpool and City this season.

Everyone expects Villa to fall short but write them off at your peril. Stranger things have happened in football.

Irony is he copied and pasted a boring 10,000 word essay on how Artetas point totals have increased season upon season and that's "progression" and that's he's proven everyone wrong.

But Villa being 2nd after 17 games is a "flash in the pan"

Villa have won 25 games this calender year, only Man city have won more.

Villa have 81 points from 39 PL games in 2023. Yet according to him Villa's form is not sustainable

Just shows when people use stats to ride his fav manager yet ignore stats so he can mock someone else.

The guys got zero credibility.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Saturday is time for Arsenal to make a statement win vs liverpool.

A win would mean 4 point over Liverpool, also with City not play increase gap over them to 8 points

Big statement wins gives a side believe a team cab win a title

Arsenal have to be clinical and most of the tactical naivety shown in 2nd half at Anfield last season needs to go.

Go back to any Arsenal title winning team in past. They have gone and beaten Liverpool, United, Chelsea etc.. in the key title deciders.

Last season bottle job and 07/08 title collapses saw Arsenal lose the key titles clashes.

 

[MK7Z]

Does twerking mean something other than what I think it means? It's used quite a lot in this thread and I always thought of it as a crude word.

 

[Firebat]

Does twerking mean something other than what I think it means? It's used quite a lot in this thread and I always thought of it as a crude word.

Just ignore those with no self respect bro.

What are your thoughts ahead of the Anfield game?

 

[topspin]

The toxic hatred, disrespect and agenda was not needed. You people didn’t give him a chance before writing him off.

Again the irony and the audacity to come up with this drivel. I'm not a reflection of yourself. The only one who has these traits is you. This is rather easy to prove.

Martinelli was one of Arsenal's top 3 or 4 players last season, yet you continue to throw insults like "brain dead chicken" and show all sorts of disrespect towards him time after time.

My dislike for Havertz was purely on football grounds. Everyone knows that he's been a serial failure in the PL ever since he left Leverkusen. Chelsea gave him three seasons for him to come good but he was nowhere near good enough to warrant a price tag of £70m and wages of £331,000 per week, to make him the club's highest earner. No one in their right mind would agree with those financials. This could actually become a big problem for the club because you have the club's top three players in Saka, Rice and Saliba on less money.

As I mentioned earlier, it's easy to prove who has the agenda here for one of our better players and who is expressing valid concerns for a player who's been inconsistent.

He was always going to take a few months to find his feet. Arteta knew it, a lot of Arsenal fans with patience knew it but the arrogance and toxicity of fans like you and Amjad was completely irrational and now that Havertz is turning a corner, you don’t want to be trolled. Why?

I will keep rubbing it in as Havertz goes from strength to strength and plays a pivotal role in the next few years and helps Arsenal win major trophies.

Thanks for finally admitting that you're here to troll.

As far as the anti-Arsenal fans trolling in this thread is concerned, you have to understand that it has nothing to do with me.

And now you're the one who's cries about fans of other clubs when they come here to troll you and the team. You're no better than them.

It has to do with the fact that these people showed their ignorance and arrogance by writing Arteta off and by claiming that he will never be good enough, he is just a number 2, he can only take out the cones for Pep etc.

Now that Arteta has egged them in the face and transformed Arsenal from a team struggling to stay in the top half to a team fighting for the title, they have no option but to troll and downplay the progression because they don’t have the spine to accept that they were wrong about him.

When Arteta wins Arsenal the league, they will still not accept it and will look for further desperate excuses like it was a fluke, a one season wonder, Arsenal weren’t great but others were poor etc. Get ready for such nonsense when Arsenal win the league.

Some of the criticism of Arteta is uncalled for because I've always believed in him however be humble until it happens. I shouldn't have to remind you of what happened last season.

Such salty tears and crying makes the success more enjoyable though. I won’t lie. I mean - I would enjoy seeing Arteta win the league with Arsenal even more so because of the pain it would inflict on Amjid and I enjoy seeing Havertz do well knowing how much it upsets you since you were too quick to write him off.

So it's all about point scoring is it? Why not just enjoy the team and come to London to see the parade instead of staying at home and spending hours writing essays for trolling purposes.

 

[topspin]

Irony is he copied and pasted a boring 10,000 word essay on how Artetas point totals have increased season upon season and that's "progression" and that's he's proven everyone wrong.

But Villa being 2nd after 17 games is a "flash in the pan"

Villa have won 25 games this calender year, only Man city have won more.

Villa have 81 points from 39 PL games in 2023. Yet according to him Villa's form is not sustainable

Just shows when people use stats to ride his fav manager yet ignore stats so he can mock someone else.

The guys got zero credibility.

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Excellent find.

I can't imagine how anyone can have the nerve to diss Emery after what he's accomplished so far.

If Arsenal do lose their way this season, I hope Villa win it because there is an individual here who needs to be served some humble pie.

 

[MK7Z]

Just ignore those with no self respect bro.

What are your thoughts ahead of the Anfield game?

I think it will be a typical anfield game. Fired up Liverpool after the poor performance on the weekend.

They play 2moro so will be interesting to see who he rests and who he plays. We gotta use the extra days rest.

I don't think at this point a draw is a bad result. We have a pathetic record at Anfield so to get points away from the team just below you is OK. Ideally I'd like to win and make a statement but gotta be realistic to. I think we are currently better than Liverpool but that Anfield Juju is real.

Hopefully gone are the days of the 3+ goal thrashings.

If we can get through the first 20 minutes we will get chances just depends if we can finish them.

Zinchenko vs Salah and trent is scary hours.

What you reckon?

 

[Amjid Javed]

I think it will be a typical anfield game. Fired up Liverpool after the poor performance on the weekend.

They play 2moro so will be interesting to see who he rests and who he plays. We gotta use the extra days rest.

I don't think at this point a draw is a bad result. We have a pathetic record at Anfield so to get points away from the team just below you is OK. Ideally I'd like to win and make a statement but gotta be realistic to. I think we are currently better than Liverpool but that Anfield Juju is real.

Hopefully gone are the days of the 3+ goal thrashings.

If we can get through the first 20 minutes we will get chances just depends if we can finish them.

Zinchenko vs Salah and trent is scary hours.

What you reckon?

A point Is the minimum Arsenal should be looking at.

Is this team capable of beating Liverpool? Yes

However the fact that on previous visits Arteta stupidity getting Anfield excited, then also xhaka last season doing dame stupid thing.

Arsenal need to play like they did in 1st 40 mins at Anfield last season. Control midfield, create chances and "have to be clinical"

Those 2 sitters Jesus missed at 2-0 last season were criminal.

We can't have Zinchenko being a liability, oddegard bottling 50:50 challenges and Arteta showing how tactically inept he is with his poor 2nd half changes.

We will see if Arsenal have improved and learnt lessons.

So far this season we have seem us get billed by Chelsea for 75 mins at Stamford Bridge

Create next to nothing away at Newcastle

Not clinical enough at Villa.

Arsenal can't afford any type of the 3 poor overall performance like mentioned above.

The team needs to stop shooting itself in foot or losing composure when it comes to these keys games.

Last season title was lost an Anfield.

This season a statement needs to be made

 

[MK7Z]

Ye I am not sure how last seasons game turned into us holding on but at the same time had a couple of chances to nick it. Have to remember we had Holding in defence.

Firminio has always tormented Arsenal so at least he is no longer there.

Saka vs Tsimikas and Martinelli vs Trent. The will have space but at the same time Ben White's form has been iffy and the cry baby on the other side might need a nappy change mid way.

On last years game I have always refused to blame Xhaka. Did people really expect him to back down from the mighty intimidating Trent? If they did, they dont know Xhaka. He was an easy target and it suited the media agenda of blaming stuff on him. Liverpool are always strong at home but its if you let them. If you stick it on them its a different game as various teams have found this season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ye I am not sure how last seasons game turned into us holding on but at the same time had a couple of chances to nick it. Have to remember we had Holding in defence.

Firminio has always tormented Arsenal so at least he is no longer there.

Saka vs Tsimikas and Martinelli vs Trent. The will have space but at the same time Ben White's form has been iffy and the cry baby on the other side might need a nappy change mid way.

On last years game I have always refused to blame Xhaka. Did people really expect him to back down from the mighty intimidating Trent? If they did, they dont know Xhaka. He was an easy target and it suited the media agenda of blaming stuff on him. Liverpool are always strong at home but its if you let them. If you stick it on them its a different game as various teams have found this season.

Anfield is about calm heads, not engaging in any antics with their players or the crowd.

Perfect examples of that were winning the league at Anfield 89, beating them again 2 seasons later 1-0 when it was a top of a table clash.

Even go back to 01/02 when Arsenal won at Anfield with 10 men, or even 03/04 when they won after being 1-0 down.

4 examples of how you keep calm heads, your clinical when you take your chances and you show strong mentality.

Yeah we had Rob holding last season, but that defensive issue should have been addressed in January, kiwor was signed and they guy was clearly not ready / good enough to play when required. That's on Arteta / Edu

Then we had the whole "2 left footed CBs" can't play together, until the damage was done and title bottled. Arteta incompetence

Jorginho was signed for experience. So when at Anfield xhaka is on a yellow cars, oddegard dissapeard like casper the ghost. Where was Jorginho? Why wasn't he brought on to try and slow game down and gain control in 2nd half? Arteta incompetence

Where were the reactive subs in 2nd half to try regain control. Liverpool missing a penalty should have been a big enough warming. Again Arteta incompetence

Zinchenko on 1st goal is marking nunez then decides to let him go free which leads to 1st goal

Zinchenko gets nutmegged on 2nd goal for the cross. Then Arteta decides to bring Tierney on once damage is done. Again. Arteta incompetence

At 2-1 a midfielder taken off and kiwor comes on. Go to a back 3, let Liverpool have the ball and let 2 of the best Crosses in TAA and Robertson to keep crossing ball into box. Again tactical incompetence

this isn't aimed at you, but for all those going on about progress, Arteta got us into a title race etc.. ultimately it was Arteta who cost Arsensl the title as well.

The 2nd half at anfield showed up all Artetas failings as a manager under pressure.

I supposedly have an agenda .

when a manager for 3 season running makes poor tactically decisions, poor squad management at pressure end of season thst needs to be called out

 

[Mamoon]

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Arteta hasn't proved anything apart from bottling a EL semi final, top 4 race and PL title

The fact your premature exciting urself like a love teenager thinking "Arteta has proved himself"

All Arteta has done is prove he's brendon Rogers, pochetino level bottle job manager when it comes to PL.

Like I said twerking for mediocrity

Fighting for the title and finishing second is not mediocrity. Arteta has proved that he has got what it takes to transform Arsenal from a team battling to stay in the top 10 to a team battling to win the Premier League. That is more than what you expected from him and more than what you thought he was capable of.

You never thought he would have Arsenal fight for the title and finish in the top 2 and you should have had the courage to appreciate him for that.

The difference between Arteta and BR and MP will become clear when Arteta wins the PL. He will prove you wrong by winning the title just like he has proved you wrong by having Arsenal fight for the title and finish in the top 2. You didn't think it would happen just like you don't think he will win Arsenal the league.

When Arteta wins Arsenal the league, will you have the courage to apologize and accept that you were wrong about him and he proved your wrong? I highly doubt so.

 

[Mamoon]

Irony is he copied and pasted a boring 10,000 word essay on how Artetas point totals have increased season upon season and that's "progression" and that's he's proven everyone wrong.

But Villa being 2nd after 17 games is a "flash in the pan"

Villa have won 25 games this calender year, only Man city have won more.

Villa have 81 points from 39 PL games in 2023. Yet according to him Villa's form is not sustainable

Just shows when people use stats to ride his fav manager yet ignore stats so he can mock someone else.

The guys got zero credibility.

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There is a big difference between a random 39 matches stretch spread across two seasons and sustaining such form over 38 matches in a season.

Villa have not experienced the pressure of fighting for the title and sustaining that form over the course of the season to stay in contention for the title.

 

[Mamoon]

Excellent find.

I can't imagine how anyone can have the nerve to diss Emery after what he's accomplished so far.

If Arsenal do lose their way this season, I hope Villa win it because there is an individual here who needs to be served some humble pie.

I think Emery has done a fabulous job at Aston Villa.

They will finish 4th/5th this season which is a brilliant outcome for a club like Aston Villa and the best they can hope for in today's era.

However, to say that they are fighting for the title and they can win the PL is garbage. Neither Aston Villa nor Emery have got what it takes to fight for the title and win it.

Emery thrives in an environment where he is not expected to win the league. He couldn't cut it at PSG and Arsenal (he was supposed to do the job Arteta is doing) because the expectations were above his comfort zone. He was asked to win the UCL with PSG and he was asked to rebuild Arsenal and have them fight for the title.

At Aston Villa, he is expected to have them compete for a top 6 position and a decent run in a Europa League. That is it, and that is right in his domain and the environment where he thrives in.

 

[Mamoon]

Again the irony and the audacity to come up with this drivel. I'm not a reflection of yourself. The only one who has these traits is you. This is rather easy to prove.

Martinelli was one of Arsenal's top 3 or 4 players last season, yet you continue to throw insults like "brain dead chicken" and show all sorts of disrespect towards him time after time.

Martinelli is one of the weaker links in this Arsenal starting XI. He is not better than Saka or Jesus or Odegaard or Rice. He is a player that can and should be upgraded on because he is wasteful and he lacks composure and footballing intelligence. Even Havertz in the last month or so has shown more consistency than Martinelli has at any period this season.

I would love to keep him as a squad player and have him run at tiring defenders late in the game but I would also be looking at options that could replace him in the starting XI and give Arsenal more technical ability on the ball.

My dislike for Havertz was purely on football grounds. Everyone knows that he's been a serial failure in the PL ever since he left Leverkusen. Chelsea gave him three seasons for him to come good but he was nowhere near good enough to warrant a price tag of £70m and wages of £331,000 per week, to make him the club's highest earner. No one in their right mind would agree with those financials. This could actually become a big problem for the club because you have the club's top three players in Saka, Rice and Saliba on less money.

As I mentioned earlier, it's easy to prove who has the agenda here for one of our better players and who is expressing valid concerns for a player who's been inconsistent.




Thanks for finally admitting that you're here to troll.



And now you're the one who's cries about fans of other clubs when they come here to troll you and the team. You're no better than them.

You and other should have given Havertz a fair chance to prove himself at Arsenal and not write him off from day one. The end result is that Havertz is proving you lot wrong big time and has been excellent over the last month or so and will continue to grow at Arsenal.

This is why he was brought by Arsenal and this is why they paid big money. He was signed not for the player he was at Chelsea but for the player that he can become at Arsenal. He is still very, very young and quite experienced. The club showed faith in him and he is starting to repay that faith after a difficult but expected start because Arteta was trying to work out how to get the best of him and he is doing that now.

Arsenal fans like yourself should have given Havertz at least 1 full season to prove himself. You wrote him off since day 1 and now that he has proved you wrong, you expect people to not rub it in? That is not trolling. That is giving a reality-check.

As far as Martinelli is concerned, I have given him 4 years and after 4 years, I have arrived at the conclusion that he will never be a world class player due to his poor footballing IQ. He is another Walcott/Oxlade Chamberlain who were supposed to explode but that never happened because they didn't have what it takes and neither does Martinelli.

He is just not a top-tier player in his position and Arsenal should look to upgrade on him. Saka, Odegaard, Rice and Saliba are top-tier players in their positions but Martinelli is not and neither is Jesus for that matter. These are two key positions that Arsenal should look to upgrade to go up a notch.

Some of the criticism of Arteta is uncalled for because I've always believed in him however be humble until it happens. I shouldn't have to remind you of what happened last season.

What happened last season? He finished 2nd due to an end season collapse after topping the table for 10 months. That is a lot more than what his critics expected him to do so he already proved them wrong.

In August 2022, not a single Arteta hater expected Arsenal to finish 2nd and top the table for 10 months. Now that he proved them wrong, they have changed the goalposts against because they don't have the courage to give them credit.

Arteta has proved his haters wrong because he has already surpassed their expectations and done more than what they expected him to do.

So it's all about point scoring is it? Why not just enjoy the team and come to London to see the parade instead of staying at home and spending hours writing essays for trolling purposes.

Point scoring will happen when Arsenal fans peddle toxic agenda against their manager and a new player who just joined the club but got written off immediately.

 

[MK7Z]

Anfield is about calm heads, not engaging in any antics with their players or the crowd.

Perfect examples of that were winning the league at Anfield 89, beating them again 2 seasons later 1-0 when it was a top of a table clash.

Even go back to 01/02 when Arsenal won at Anfield with 10 men, or even 03/04 when they won after being 1-0 down.

4 examples of how you keep calm heads, your clinical when you take your chances and you show strong mentality.

Yeah we had Rob holding last season, but that defensive issue should have been addressed in January, kiwor was signed and they guy was clearly not ready / good enough to play when required. That's on Arteta / Edu

Then we had the whole "2 left footed CBs" can't play together, until the damage was done and title bottled. Arteta incompetence

Jorginho was signed for experience. So when at Anfield xhaka is on a yellow cars, oddegard dissapeard like casper the ghost. Where was Jorginho? Why wasn't he brought on to try and slow game down and gain control in 2nd half? Arteta incompetence

Where were the reactive subs in 2nd half to try regain control. Liverpool missing a penalty should have been a big enough warming. Again Arteta incompetence

Zinchenko on 1st goal is marking nunez then decides to let him go free which leads to 1st goal

Zinchenko gets nutmegged on 2nd goal for the cross. Then Arteta decides to bring Tierney on once damage is done. Again. Arteta incompetence

At 2-1 a midfielder taken off and kiwor comes on. Go to a back 3, let Liverpool have the ball and let 2 of the best Crosses in TAA and Robertson to keep crossing ball into box. Again tactical incompetence

this isn't aimed at you, but for all those going on about progress, Arteta got us into a title race etc.. ultimately it was Arteta who cost Arsensl the title as well.

The 2nd half at anfield showed up all Artetas failings as a manager under pressure.

I supposedly have an agenda .

when a manager for 3 season running makes poor tactically decisions, poor squad management at pressure end of season thst needs to be called out

Fair analysis of small moments that change big games.

On the Tierney sub though....KT was ready to come on already before that happened so unfair to call it Arteta incompetence as you could switch it and say he saw it coming but there wasn't a chance to make the change

 

[Amjid Javed]

Fair analysis of small moments that change big games.

On the Tierney sub though....KT was ready to come on already before that happened so unfair to call it Arteta incompetence as you could switch it and say he saw it coming but there wasn't a chance to make the change

All the subs were made to late. Which is a typical theme of Artetas management, most of the time reactive rather then proactive.

Almost all the time the subs are usually made from 70 mins onwards. That game as well as others changes need to be made earlier.

To win a league you be able to manage a squad across a season and critical at pressure end of season. Fine margins always tilt the balance.

Also Artetas stubbornness to keep playing same way, also at timed when you don't have personel to do so is arrogant and dumb.

Sometimes you have to get best out of what you have. Learn to win ugly no matter what.

Look at how Pep changed how city players from Feb onwards etc. Tactically changed to get results even if at times it was boring. Until Arteta learns to handle pressure he will remain on a par with Rogers and poch.

 

[MK7Z]

All the subs were made to late. Which is a typical theme of Artetas management, most of the time reactive rather then proactive.

Almost all the time the subs are usually made from 70 mins onwards. That game as well as others changes need to be made earlier.

To win a league you be able to manage a squad across a season and critical at pressure end of season. Fine margins always tilt the balance.

Also Artetas stubbornness to keep playing same way, also at timed when you don't have personel to do so is arrogant and dumb.

Sometimes you have to get best out of what you have. Learn to win ugly no matter what.

Look at how Pep changed how city players from Feb onwards etc. Tactically changed to get results even if at times it was boring. Until Arteta learns to handle pressure he will remain on a par with Rogers and poch.

KT was ready to come on....To be honest I would have started KT anyway over Zinchenko so yes Arteta has to take that one on the chin

Arteta has a FA cup Poch doesn't in England.

Please don't say it was Emery's team cos that in my eyes is even more commendable as thats the team that got him the sack.

Anyway Arteta as you say has to show he is learning and games like this are when he will be under the microscope. When he got the job 4 years ago today I believe? I never thought he would get Arsenal into title races if I am honest.

But we dont want Title races we want titles!

 

[Mamoon]

KT was ready to come on....To be honest I would have started KT anyway over Zinchenko so yes Arteta has to take that one on the chin

Arteta has a FA cup Poch doesn't in England.

Please don't say it was Emery's team cos that in my eyes is even more commendable as thats the team that got him the sack.

Anyway Arteta as you say has to show he is learning and games like this are when he will be under the microscope. When he got the job 4 years ago today I believe? I never thought he would get Arsenal into title races if I am honest.

But we dont want Title races we want titles!

That is the key point that fans do not want to admit.

Arteta has taken Arsenal from a team struggling to stay in the top 10 to a team that is fighting for the title.

He has raised the expectations. For so many years, Arsenal fans were content with a top 4 finish. Today, they will only be content if Arsenal win the league.

Arteta and Edu promised an Arsenal that will fight for the title every year and they have now put together a squad that is living up to that promise.

Arteta has made finishing second look like a failure whereas few years earlier, finishing second would have been achievement.

 

[Amjid Javed]

That is the key point that fans do not want to admit.

Arteta has taken Arsenal from a team struggling to stay in the top 10 to a team that is fighting for the title.

He has raised the expectations. For so many years, Arsenal fans were content with a top 4 finish. Today, they will only be content if Arsenal win the league.

Arteta and Edu promised an Arsenal that will fight for the title every year and they have now put together a squad that is living up to that promise.

Arteta has made finishing second look like a failure whereas few years earlier, finishing second would have been achievement.

The fact you can't even counter the fact Arteta bottled the title including his tactic incompetence on full display at Anfield

But it's ok keep supporting Arteta and celebrate "progeess" and "90% top of the league"

 

[Mamoon]

This is where Unai Emery the left Arsenal when he was booted out in 19/20 and this is the mess Arteta had to clean up.

He had to change the football on the pitch, he had to change the personnel, he had to change the mindset and he had to change the culture of the club.

Exactly 4 years later, Arsenal has evolved into a title challenger with players like Rice, Odegaard, Saka, Saliba etc.

The days of the “banter” era with losers like Bellerin, Pepe, Mustafi, Lacazette, Sokratis etc. are long gone.

This is the impact and influence Arteta has had on the club. He has raised the bar and raised the expectations of a club that was a sleeping giant after years of decay and compromise of standards and expectations.

He has made not winning the title look like a disappointment after years of celebrating top 4 like a trophy.

If Arteta could take Arsenal from the depths of mediocrity to a title-challenging team, he will also take Arsenal from a title-challenging team to champions and the bitterness and salt of the Arsenal haters and those Arsenal fans with a toxic agenda against Arteta will be wonderful to watch.

The tears and the excuses are going to be beautiful.

 

[Amjid Javed]

KT was ready to come on....To be honest I would have started KT anyway over Zinchenko so yes Arteta has to take that one on the chin

Arteta has a FA cup Poch doesn't in England.

Please don't say it was Emery's team cos that in my eyes is even more commendable as thats the team that got him the sack.

Anyway Arteta as you say has to show he is learning and games like this are when he will be under the microscope. When he got the job 4 years ago today I believe? I never thought he would get Arsenal into title races if I am honest.

But we dont want Title races we want titles!

Whether KT was ready to come or not it was to late. As per usual it was a poor and reactive subs, Arsenal lost control of that game in 2nd half and Zinchenko was a liability all 2nd half and should have been taken off a lot earlier.

Arteta won the FA Cup, its funny how fans want to point that out, yet at same time say his two 8th place finishes were due to toxic players. You can't have it both ways.

Also the team he inherited got 70 points season before (missed out on top 4 by a point) got to a europa league and league Cup final. So this notion the team was rubbish was a myth.

Arteta has progress yes.

Ultimately at end of last 3 seasons he's lost the plot tactically and managed the the squad poor in pressure situation. That hasn't changed.

So you can progress all you want. When you can't handle the pressure at end you are going to fail.

 

[Mamoon]

The fact you can't even counter the fact Arteta bottled the title including his tactic incompetence on full display at Anfield

But it's ok keep supporting Arteta and celebrate "progeess" and "90% top of the league"

People like you have no right to criticize Arteta for “bottling” the league when you didn’t expect him to fight for the title in the first place so by “bottling” the league, he has already proved you wrong.

Secondly, Arsenal wasn’t the first or the last team to “bottle” a title. These things happen especially to teams who are challenging for the first time.

This group of players were in that position for the first time and it was difficult for them. However, they will learn from this experience and this lot will win the league eventually. They will be the first legends of the Emirates era.

Liverpool “bottled” the league in 18-19 by surrendering a 10 point lead after MW 20 but they too learned from that experience and held their nerve next time.

 

[Amjid Javed]

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This is where Unai Emery the left Arsenal when he was booted out in 19/20 and this is the mess Arteta had to clean up.

He had to change the football on the pitch, he had to change the personnel, he had to change the mindset and he had to change the culture of the club.

Exactly 4 years later, Arsenal has evolved into a title challenger with players like Rice, Odegaard, Saka, Saliba etc.

The days of the “banter” era with losers like Bellerin, Pepe, Mustafi, Lacazette, Sokratis etc. are long gone.

This is the impact and influence Arteta has had on the club. He has raised the bar and raised the expectations of a club that was a sleeping giant after years of decay and compromise of standards and expectations.

He has made not winning the title look like a disappointment after years of celebrating top 4 like a trophy.

If Arteta could take Arsenal from the depths of mediocrity to a title-challenging team, he will also take Arsenal from a title-challenging team to champions and the bitterness and salt of the Arsenal haters and those Arsenal fans with a toxic agenda against Arteta will be wonderful to watch.

The tears and the excuses are going to be beautiful.

Oh look mamoon conviently took a pic of a selected part of the table to make an irrelevant point

Let's deal with facts rather then your usual fantasy. When Arteta took over Arsenal. They were only 6 points behind Chelsea who were in 4th place.



Anyone would think Arsenal were languishing in 15th place in Nov. Oh wait that was Arteta who took Arsenal to those pathetic low heights at start of his career.

Only tears were the ones you were shedding with your "oh it's in the bag" comments. Then when City won the league you dissapeared off the forum

Where were your guts then, ran off like a little coward.

 

[Amjid Javed]

People like you have no right to criticize Arteta for “bottling” the league when you didn’t expect him to fight for the title in the first place so by “bottling” the league, he has already proved you wrong.

Secondly, Arsenal wasn’t the first or the last team to “bottle” a title. These things happen especially to teams who are challenging for the first time.

This group of players were in that position for the first time and it was difficult for them. However, they will learn from this experience and this lot will win the league eventually. They will be the first legends of the Emirates era.

Liverpool “bottled” the league in 18-19 by surrendering a 10 point lead after MW 20 but they too learned from that experience and held their nerve next time.

I can criticise who I want, You seem to think you can tell other supports what they can and can't do because you've got some pathetic fetish of worshipping Arteta like he's some sort of sporting god. Like shaz said you have some weird behaviour you seen Indian cricket fans do with their players.rt

Arsenal bottled the league, Arsenal bottled top 4, the bottled the europa league.

Oh and most you bottled your prediction.

Proclaiming title was over in January and when it all fell apart. You ran off with your tail between your legs and hid on the cricket forum.

Your whole defence now is other teams have bottled it so its ok for Arteta to bottle it.

Arteta bottle job, along side Rogers or poch. Until that changes

 

[Firebat]

Arsenal are leading Chelsea in the race to sign 27-year-old England striker Ivan Toney from Brentford. (Independent)

 

[MK7Z]

Whether KT was ready to come or not it was to late. As per usual it was a poor and reactive subs, Arsenal lost control of that game in 2nd half and Zinchenko was a liability all 2nd half and should have been taken off a lot earlier.

Arteta won the FA Cup, its funny how fans want to point that out, yet at same time say his two 8th place finishes were due to toxic players. You can't have it both ways.

Also the team he inherited got 70 points season before (missed out on top 4 by a point) got to a europa league and league Cup final. So this notion the team was rubbish was a myth.

Arteta has progress yes.

Ultimately at end of last 3 seasons he's lost the plot tactically and managed the the squad poor in pressure situation. That hasn't changed.

So you can progress all you want. When you can't handle the pressure at end you are going to fail.

Hate to knit pick and I promise I am not trying to wind you up...but Emery did not get to a league cup final. We lost to spurs at the Emirates which was an embarrassment. Emery also bottled the top 4 badly and also bottled the Europa league final. It works both ways.

The 1st 8th place finish was half of his season so that was on both Emery and Mikel. The FA Cup run from what I remember Arteta was manager for all the games so didn't join mid way.

The 2nd 8th place finish was a disgrace. At that point most sensible Arsenal fans will agree that he probably should have and would have got sacked had there been fans in the stadiums. It was pathetic. To be fair to him he has turned it around and deserves credit as he is on a upwards trajectory as I keep harping on about.

19 teams in the PL every season fail so all the managers should be sacked right?

I am sounding like a Arteta fanboy haha. I promise you I am not. I try to look at things subjectively and I think we have both agreed in the past the this season he must deliver.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Hate to knit pick and I promise I am not trying to wind you up...but Emery did not get to a league cup final. We lost to spurs at the Emirates which was an embarrassment. Emery also bottled the top 4 badly and also bottled the Europa league final. It works both ways.

The 1st 8th place finish was half of his season so that was on both Emery and Mikel. The FA Cup run from what I remember Arteta was manager for all the games so didn't join mid way.

The 2nd 8th place finish was a disgrace. At that point most sensible Arsenal fans will agree that he probably should have and would have got sacked had there been fans in the stadiums. It was pathetic. To be fair to him he has turned it around and deserves credit as he is on a upwards trajectory as I keep harping on about.

19 teams in the PL every season fail so all the managers should be sacked right?

I am sounding like a Arteta fanboy haha. I promise you I am not. I try to look at things subjectively and I think we have both agreed in the past the this season he must deliver.

- Emery did fail at Arsenal
- Arsenal bottled top 4, winning just 2 out of the last 7 PL games. Leaving players out for C Palace home defeat was criminal
- Emery got to EL final and were smashed

- Arteta won FA cup
- Arteta failed to get Arsenal in european competition (1st time on over 20 years Arsenal weren't in europe)
- Arteta bottled a Europa league semi final
- Arteta bottled Top 4 race
- Arteta bottled a title race

I'm consitent with my views il call both managers for ultimate failing. Arsenal are a big club and are judged on trophies / titles that they win.

When uve seen 2 out of 3 greatest managers this club has ever had in wenger (98-05, after 05 he was trash) and GG, I ain't going to get overhyped by "progess" etc...

In regards to sacking, Arteta has now be in charge for exactly 4 years.

If Arsenal finish a 4th season trophyless yes he should be sacked. Why? Because 4 seasons is more than enough time at a big club to deliver trophies and titles.

So this isn't about failing for 1 season, come end of season this could 4th season in a row its failure.

 

[MK7Z]

- Emery did fail at Arsenal
- Arsenal bottled top 4, winning just 2 out of the last 7 PL games. Leaving players out for C Palace home defeat was criminal
- Emery got to EL final and were smashed

- Arteta won FA cup
- Arteta failed to get Arsenal in european competition (1st time on over 20 years Arsenal weren't in europe)
- Arteta bottled a Europa league semi final
- Arteta bottled Top 4 race
- Arteta bottled a title race

I'm consitent with my views il call both managers for ultimate failing. Arsenal are a big club and are judged on trophies / titles that they win.

When uve seen 2 out of 3 greatest managers this club has ever had in wenger (98-05, after 05 he was trash) and GG, I ain't going to get overhyped by "progess" etc...

In regards to sacking, Arteta has now be in charge for exactly 4 years.

If Arsenal finish a 4th season trophyless yes he should be sacked. Why? Because 4 seasons is more than enough time at a big club to deliver trophies and titles.

So this isn't about failing for 1 season, come end of season this could 4th season in a row its failure.

Progress is a key element when aiming for sustainable success. Different types of progress.

That includes the requirement of Arteta progressing as a manager which he needs to show he can do, big time this season.

ETH won a trophy but would you say Man UTD have progressed under him?

Eddie Howe is bigged up for getting top 4 but where is he now? out of a cup he was finalist for last season. Out of UCL bottom of the group and currently out of UCL places. I would say his progress has faltered for now.

The trajectory has to be up and sustainable, which comes from progress wherever you get hyped about it or not.

Anyway forget all this. Question for ya.

Arteta doesn't win the league or UCL. How long do you give the person coming in to win the league? or UCL?

For context. Klopp is still there and so is Pep. Manchester United take over is complete. Chelsea are still spending silly money.

How long would you give the manager to WIN the league. Not compete and bottle as you put it. BUT to WIN the thing?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Progress is a key element when aiming for sustainable success. Different types of progress.

That includes the requirement of Arteta progressing as a manager which he needs to show he can do, big time this season.

ETH won a trophy but would you say Man UTD have progressed under him?

Eddie Howe is bigged up for getting top 4 but where is he now? out of a cup he was finalist for last season. Out of UCL bottom of the group and currently out of UCL places. I would say his progress has faltered for now.

The trajectory has to be up and sustainable, which comes from progress wherever you get hyped about it or not.

Anyway forget all this. Question for ya.

Arteta doesn't win the league or UCL. How long do you give the person coming in to win the league? or UCL?

For context. Klopp is still there and so is Pep. Manchester United take over is complete. Chelsea are still spending silly money.

How long would you give the manager to WIN the league. Not compete and bottle as you put it. BUT to WIN the thing?

Yeah there is different types of progress but as I have mentioned before manages at big clubs are judged on trophies they win.

Has Arteta improved in league? Yes

Has he shown he can compete in multiple competitions? no

Since winning FA cup, we haven't looked anywhere near good enough to win it since.

League cup Performances - pathetic

European Performances - 3 embarrassing exits in europa league

Has he shown he can handle end of season pressure? No

Has he brought through any new academy players etc..? No

700M spent his squad and a **** poor return as listed as above. If certain fans wants to celebrate progess just shows how low standards are.

ETH - 1st season was decent got united CL and won a cup, which gives him some credit in bank. This season they have been poor and he should be sacked. No style of play at all.

Howe took Newcastle from relegation fodder to CL in 18 months, Newcastle target this season would be cup and Europe again. (They don't win trophies. So this is their ambition. I don't agree with it). If howe ends trophyless or doesn't get Newcastle Europe again he should be sacked.

In regards to klopp he should have left Liverpool end of last season. This season if Liverpool don't win anything he deserves the sack. Liverpool have a chance of title, league Cup semis, also fans for europa league. They should be looking at 2 trophies minimum to justify klopp been given another season.

If a new Arsenal manager came in with current squad, he would be expected to deliver a trophy in his 1st season and a title in 2 seasons. No rebuild is needed here.

Arsenal right now are like Chelsea 03, good enough team. Not a good enough manager and weak team mentality at pressure end of season. Arteta is just like raneri was in 03. It took a tactical and brilliant mentality monster in mourinho to turn Chelsea into winners. Go look at most their players who back then said it was the manager who changes the player from bottlers to winners.

 

[MK7Z]

Yeah there is different types of progress but as I have mentioned before manages at big clubs are judged on trophies they win.

Has Arteta improved in league? Yes

Has he shown he can compete in multiple competitions? no

Since winning FA cup, we haven't looked anywhere near good enough to win it since.

League cup Performances - pathetic

European Performances - 3 embarrassing exits in europa league

Has he shown he can handle end of season pressure? No

Has he brought through any new academy players etc..? No

700M spent his squad and a **** poor return as listed as above. If certain fans wants to celebrate progess just shows how low standards are.

ETH - 1st season was decent got united CL and won a cup, which gives him some credit in bank. This season they have been poor and he should be sacked. No style of play at all.

Howe took Newcastle from relegation fodder to CL in 18 months, Newcastle target this season would be cup and Europe again. (They don't win trophies. So this is their ambition. I don't agree with it). If howe ends trophyless or doesn't get Newcastle Europe again he should be sacked.

In regards to klopp he should have left Liverpool end of last season. This season if Liverpool don't win anything he deserves the sack. Liverpool have a chance of title, league Cup semis, also fans for europa league. They should be looking at 2 trophies minimum to justify klopp been given another season.

If a new Arsenal manager came in with current squad, he would be expected to deliver a trophy in his 1st season and a title in 2 seasons. No rebuild is needed here.

Arsenal right now are like Chelsea 03, good enough team. Not a good enough manager and weak team mentality at pressure end of season. Arteta is just like raneri was in 03. It took a tactical and brilliant mentality monster in mourinho to turn Chelsea into winners. Go look at most their players who back then said it was the manager who changes the player from bottlers to winners.

Interesting view. I rate you for having such high standards and sticking by them.

One point you have made above. A new manager with the current squad would need to win the league in 2 years or be sacked. What about the squad we had 4 years ago?
How long do you think a manager should have to win the league with that crop of players?
You said no rebuild needed so which is it?

It either takes 2 years to win with a good squad or surely slightly longer with a rebuild by your own notion?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Gunners ‘lead race for Ivan Toney’, Thomas Partey EXIT, Douglas Luiz interest

ARSENAL are leading the race to sign Brentford striker Ivan Toney, according to reports.

The forward is expected to be valued at £60million up front and potentially as much as £80m including add-ons.

Meanwhile, Arsenal are reportedly planning for life after Thomas Partey with the midfielder expected to leave in January.

The Gunners are looking at Premier League stars Jacob Ramsey, Douglas Luiz, Joao Palhinha and Amadou Onana as potential replacements, according to reports.

Source : The Sun

 

[Amjid Javed]

Gunners ‘lead race for Ivan Toney’, Thomas Partey EXIT, Douglas Luiz interest

ARSENAL are leading the race to sign Brentford striker Ivan Toney, according to reports.

The forward is expected to be valued at £60million up front and potentially as much as £80m including add-ons.

Meanwhile, Arsenal are reportedly planning for life after Thomas Partey with the midfielder expected to leave in January.

The Gunners are looking at Premier League stars Jacob Ramsey, Douglas Luiz, Joao Palhinha and Amadou Onana as potential replacements, according to reports.

Source : The Sun

Arsenal should offer nketitah, riess Nelson as part of any deal with Brentford.

In Jan / Feb is Afcons which means Brentford losing both their strikers for a month and half, so selling Toney as well means they would be shooting themselves in foot if they had no replacement lined up.

Can't see villa selling Luiz or Ramsey and they definitely won't to Arsenal when they are rivals at top of league currently

Onana is average at best and not good enough for Arsenal.

Palinhina is a quality player and would be a top signing.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Interesting view. I rate you for having such high standards and sticking by them.

One point you have made above. A new manager with the current squad would need to win the league in 2 years or be sacked. What about the squad we had 4 years ago?
How long do you think a manager should have to win the league with that crop of players?
You said no rebuild needed so which is it?

It either takes 2 years to win with a good squad or surely slightly longer with a rebuild by your own notion?

A new manager with could instill winners mentality and manage squad better and handle pressure would win the league with current plus a few additions to squad.

A more competent manager would have won the league with Arsenal with the position they were in March. The collapse and 15 point swing over a 6/7 game period was simply not acceptable.

Like I said current tean is like Chelsea 03.

Squad we had 4 years ago wasn't as bad as people like to make out, and it's certainly should have taken a lot quicker then 4 years to deliver from point. The club should have never been languishing in 8th places finished 2 seasons running. If it wasn't for covid and empty stadiums Arteta would have been sacked. There is no way full stadiums would have put up with the garbage performances where team was languishing in 15th place.

Managers are big clubs should be expected do deliver pretty quickly, depends on the standards and ambitions of the club. Apart from man city, most top clubs don't have real ambitions to win titles or there useless owners don't allow for it

Arteta has had the luxury of 4 years to "rebuild" and hasn't delivered. No other big club would put up with this phase 1,2 3 nonsense.

With so many clubs at top now improving managers need to deliver quickly or your getting left behind.

 

[Technics 1210]

Gunners ‘lead race for Ivan Toney’, Thomas Partey EXIT, Douglas Luiz interest

ARSENAL are leading the race to sign Brentford striker Ivan Toney, according to reports.

The forward is expected to be valued at £60million up front and potentially as much as £80m including add-ons.

Meanwhile, Arsenal are reportedly planning for life after Thomas Partey with the midfielder expected to leave in January.

The Gunners are looking at Premier League stars Jacob Ramsey, Douglas Luiz, Joao Palhinha and Amadou Onana as potential replacements, according to reports.

Source : The Sun

Arteta's Arsenal desperate for one of Brentford's finest!

 

[Firebat]

I think it will be a typical anfield game. Fired up Liverpool after the poor performance on the weekend.

They play 2moro so will be interesting to see who he rests and who he plays. We gotta use the extra days rest.

I don't think at this point a draw is a bad result. We have a pathetic record at Anfield so to get points away from the team just below you is OK. Ideally I'd like to win and make a statement but gotta be realistic to. I think we are currently better than Liverpool but that Anfield Juju is real.

Hopefully gone are the days of the 3+ goal thrashings.

If we can get through the first 20 minutes we will get chances just depends if we can finish them.

Zinchenko vs Salah and trent is scary hours.

What you reckon?

We should be winning there, we are 100% a better side right now. But as usual it we can only lose if we shoot ourselves in the foot, if we get overwhelmed by the atmosphere and become intimidated. Klopp knows this better than anyone, that's why he came out with those comments telling his fans that whoever's not ready to make noise should give their ticket away.

This is the challenge if we want to be a winning team, you have to go to these cauldrons and keep your head, play your football and play with confidence.

The days of the 3+ goal thrashings are certainly over (hopefully). We never used to beat Liverpool, last year we took 4 points from them and were 2-0 up at Anfield. We never used to beat Spurs away, last year we did. We never used to beat Man City, this year we have. The trend is clear. These "mental blocks" and hoodoos and historical records are there to be broken, that's the attitude they should have.

Zinchenko vs Salah is certainly a worry. Yet another Tomiyasu injury is such a miss, he's the best defender in the squad after Saliba.

But they will have worries against our attack too. Martinelli vs Trent, Saka vs Tsimikas, Jesus is always a nuisance who found space in the box last season to score a header against VVD and Konate. With the defensively better Rice in the team instead of Partey, Saliba instead of Holding and no Swiss hothead, we should be better off to go one further and get the win. If we just have a calm and composed 90 minutes our football will outmuscle theirs.

 

[Firebat]

Arteta's Arsenal desperate for one of Brentford's finest!

He's a great striker, any top team would take him in a heartbeat.

 

[Technics 1210]

He's a great striker, any top team would take him in a heartbeat.

Not only a great striker but at great value.

Here's a crazy, yet probable thought, Thomas Frank could be the next Arsenal manager if Arteta gets the sack!

 

[Mamoon]

A new manager with could instill winners mentality and manage squad better and handle pressure would win the league with current plus a few additions to squad.

A more competent manager would have won the league with Arsenal with the position they were in March. The collapse and 15 point swing over a 6/7 game period was simply not acceptable.

Like I said current tean is like Chelsea 03.

Squad we had 4 years ago wasn't as bad as people like to make out, and it's certainly should have taken a lot quicker then 4 years to deliver from point. The club should have never been languishing in 8th places finished 2 seasons running. If it wasn't for covid and empty stadiums Arteta would have been sacked. There is no way full stadiums would have put up with the garbage performances where team was languishing in 15th place.

Managers are big clubs should be expected do deliver pretty quickly, depends on the standards and ambitions of the club. Apart from man city, most top clubs don't have real ambitions to win titles or there useless owners don't allow for it

Arteta has had the luxury of 4 years to "rebuild" and hasn't delivered. No other big club would put up with this phase 1,2 3 nonsense.

With so many clubs at top now improving managers need to deliver quickly or your getting left behind.

You are wrong as usual. You think this Arsenal team needs a better manager to help them win the league but Arteta will take care of that himself.

Arteta will help Arsenal win 2 league titles in the next 4 years and make an impact in the CL as well. It is difficult to predict the CL because a lot of great teams don’t win it while some less than great teams do, but there is no doubt that Arsenal will make their mark in the competition by getting into the last 4 and knocking out some big teams.

I don’t think you will have the courage to admit that you were wrong about Arteta and you won’t apologize. I hope I am wrong though.

 

[Mamoon]

Not only a great striker but at great value.

Here's a crazy, yet probable thought, Thomas Frank could be the next Arsenal manager if Arteta gets the sack!

Arteta is not getting sacked. Please make peace with it once and for all.

People like you have been predicting his sacking for 4 years but he keeps proving you wrong and the Arsenal board keeps reminding you lot that you don’t get what they are doing.

Arteta will win multiple league titles for Arsenal and he will leave when the time is right. I hope that unlike Wenger, he leaves at the right time without putting his legacy at risk.

When Arteta leaves Arsenal, Arsenal will not be looking at someone like Thomas Frank who is no doubt a very good coach but has no experience and exposure of managing a big club that is fighting for the title and whose fans demand trophies.

Thomas Frank will have to prove himself at a bigger club than Brentford and smaller club than Arsenal before he will be considered by Arsenal and the other top 6 clubs.

Thomas Frank at Arsenal today could very well turn out like Potter at Chelsea. Potter is a very good coach who did a great job at Brighton but the expectations and demands of a club like Chelsea were too much for him.

The Potter experiment at Chelsea will dissuade a lot of big clubs from plucking managers from smaller clubs.

 

[MK7Z]

Arteta is not getting sacked. Please make peace with it once and for all.

People like you have been predicting his sacking for 4 years but he keeps proving you wrong and the Arsenal board keeps reminding you lot that you don’t get what they are doing.

Arteta will win multiple league titles for Arsenal and he will leave when the time is right. I hope that unlike Wenger, he leaves at the right time without putting his legacy at risk.

When Arteta leaves Arsenal, Arsenal will not be looking at someone like Thomas Frank who is no doubt a very good coach but has no experience and exposure of managing a big club that is fighting for the title and whose fans demand trophies.

Thomas Frank will have to prove himself at a bigger club than Brentford and smaller club than Arsenal before he will be considered by Arsenal and the other top 6 clubs.

Thomas Frank at Arsenal today could very well turn out like Potter at Chelsea. Potter is a very good coach who did a great job at Brighton but the expectations and demands of a club like Chelsea were too much for him.

The Potter experiment at Chelsea will dissuade a lot of big clubs from plucking managers from smaller clubs.

Not sure why you put effort into replying to stuff like this bro.