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No surprise company doing well. His phylosophy he had at Burnley would suit Bayern to a Tee
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Amjid Javed
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Bhangra over mediocrity.
But but expectations for Arsenal and villa is different
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Last post on Emery because he is not worth polluting this thread.
Arsenal fans have absolutely no reason to rate him as a manager. He was given the task to rebuild Arsenal and transform them into a heavy weight team and he failed miserably.
He failed to do the job that Arteta is doing at Arsenal. As far as why Arteta got time and Emery didn’t, well fans only see results on the pitch.
The owners can actually see what is going in the dressing room, how the manager is leading the players on the training ground, how is he communicating with the owners etc.
Arteta oversaw a very difficult period in 2020 and 2021 because he always had the owners backing because they had faith in what he was trying to do. They could see that all he needs is time and he will turn things around and their faith has been vindicated.
It is not just the owners but also knowledgeable Arsenal fans supported him because they could see what he was trying to do.
On the other hand, Emery didn’t fill the owners with confidence. He completely melted under the pressure and expectations of rebuilding Arsenal and he had no idea what he was doing. If he did, he wouldn’t have been sacked.
Emery has managed two high expectations job in his career and he failed both times. PSG hired him based on his Europa league success with Sevilla and they thought he would get them over the line in the UCL, but he ended up bottling a 4-0 lead over Barcelona and lost lost the French league to Monaco.
Emery is a good manager but he hasn’t got the jobs to manage high expectations. He thrives when he is the underdog. He is perfect for clubs like Villa, Villarreal, Sevilla etc.
He would also have been perfect for Arsenal if the objective was to make top 4 and not ultimately start challenging for the league.
Emery is not a world class/elite manager. If he was, he wouldn’t have been at Villa right now. Liverpool, Chelsea, Bayern, Barcelona and Juventus all changed managers in the summer if they wanted him, they would have prized him away. Clearly, they didn’t rate him.
When you are at Villa and these clubs come knocking on your door, there is absolutely no way you don’t open the door. It doesn’t matter if you are a player or a manager.
Emery would exit Villa as quickly as Ancelotti bailed on Everton if a big club come calling for him, and it appears that big clubs are avoiding him like a plague because he had to two shots at managing them and fumbled both.
Aston Villa is a placeholder club with no direction. What does it fight for? Nothing. They can finish outside the top 3 of the PL for the next 20 years and their fans and owners won’t be unhappy.
They can play the UCL for 10 years and not make the semifinals even once and their fans and owners won’t be unhappy. This is a perfect environment for Emery where he can keep the club between 4-6 position and have the is big win in Europe. That however is a nothing legacy and that isn’t the level top managers want to operate on.
I would personally not rate Emery at all unless he has a third crack at a big club and succeeds. Until then, he will remain a good B class manager for me.
Last post on Emery because he is not worth polluting this thread.
Arsenal fans have absolutely no reason to rate him as a manager. He was given the task to rebuild Arsenal and transform them into a heavy weight team and he failed miserably.
He failed to do the job that Arteta is doing at Arsenal. As far as why Arteta got time and Emery didn’t, well fans only see results on the pitch.
The owners can actually see what is going in the dressing room, how the manager is leading the players on the training ground, how is he communicating with the owners etc.
Arteta oversaw a very difficult period in 2020 and 2021 because he always had the owners backing because they had faith in what he was trying to do. They could see that all he needs is time and he will turn things around and their faith has been vindicated.
It is not just the owners but also knowledgeable Arsenal fans supported him because they could see what he was trying to do.
On the other hand, Emery didn’t fill the owners with confidence. He completely melted under the pressure and expectations of rebuilding Arsenal and he had no idea what he was doing. If he did, he wouldn’t have been sacked.
Emery has managed two high expectations job in his career and he failed both times. PSG hired him based on his Europa league success with Sevilla and they thought he would get them over the line in the UCL, but he ended up bottling a 4-0 lead over Barcelona and lost lost the French league to Monaco.
Emery is a good manager but he hasn’t got the jobs to manage high expectations. He thrives when he is the underdog. He is perfect for clubs like Villa, Villarreal, Sevilla etc.
He would also have been perfect for Arsenal if the objective was to make top 4 and not ultimately start challenging for the league.
Emery is not a world class/elite manager. If he was, he wouldn’t have been at Villa right now. Liverpool, Chelsea, Bayern, Barcelona and Juventus all changed managers in the summer if they wanted him, they would have prized him away. Clearly, they didn’t rate him.
When you are at Villa and these clubs come knocking on your door, there is absolutely no way you don’t open the door. It doesn’t matter if you are a player or a manager.
Emery would exit Villa as quickly as Ancelotti bailed on Everton if a big club come calling for him, and it appears that big clubs are avoiding him like a plague because he had to two shots at managing them and fumbled both.
Aston Villa is a placeholder club with no direction. What does it fight for? Nothing. They can finish outside the top 3 of the PL for the next 20 years and their fans and owners won’t be unhappy.
They can play the UCL for 10 years and not make the semifinals even once and their fans and owners won’t be unhappy. This is a perfect environment for Emery where he can keep the club between 4-6 position and have the is big win in Europe. That however is a nothing legacy and that isn’t the level top managers want to operate on.
I would personally not rate Emery at all unless he has a third crack at a big club and succeeds. Until then, he will remain a good B class manager for me.
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^ pretty stupid argument.
Alonso is world class but manages BL.
Kompany is new but manages Bayern , arguably bigger club than Arsenal . Certainly more successful in Europe’s big competitions
If Emery has another great season he’ll be wanted by big clubs .
Alonso is world class but manages BL.
Kompany is new but manages Bayern , arguably bigger club than Arsenal . Certainly more successful in Europe’s big competitions
If Emery has another great season he’ll be wanted by big clubs .
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An argument that went sailing above your head as reflected by your completely irrelevant examples.
He is a wonderful manager for sure, but his real challenge would come when he goes to Madrid or some other top club (he has already rejected Liverpool) where the expectations and pressure will be different.
He overachieved with Leverkusen last season. It is one thing to overachieve and completely different to be under constant pressure to achieve big trophies.
He is already facing the heat this season because Leverkusen is expected to keep it up.
There is a world of difference between managing Leverkusen and a big club. However, what does it have to do Emery? There are no parallels between the two. Emery is a proven failure when it comes to managing big clubs.
Xabi Alonso is not tested yet but he eventually get his chance and there is no doubt he will prove himself because he is better than Emery.
Another irrelevant example.
Kompany failed at Burnley but Bayern saw that he had huge potential and his philosophy would work with high level players and that is exactly what is happening.
He is also far better than Emery and this is why Bayern went for him when they could have easily prized Emery away from Villa.
Emery had a successful tenure at Villarreal but no big club wanted him. He has also had two excellent years at Villa but no big club is interested. Clearly, his 100% failure rate at big clubs is discouraging owners.
If a big club in the future takes a chance on him and he delivers after two failures, I will have no problem giving him due credit but as of now, he is a resounding failure at big clubs.
