Arsenal FC | 2024/25 Season

[Amjid Javed]

I agree with this

There's rumours of Duran to Saudi so if that happens then no way do Villa sell Watkins as well

It begs the question, if Arsenal have the money to bid for Watkins then they should be meeting the release clause for Gyokeres/Osimhen

Yeah I just seen the Duran story as well, which would mean watkins would stay.

Villa pretty much have to balance the books every season because of PSR, their low financial turnover. Means they will always have to do this.

So they will continue to sign players and if they make a profit they will. They will probably sign felix from Chelsea.

Arteta will see oshimen similar to Auba, he can't handle egos

Yeah of Arsenal really wanted a player they would have paid a release clause.

Arsenal had no intention to but in January. They were hoping Jesus would performer after his Xmas showing and then got injured.

Reality in summer will be only viable optiond will be goekeres or sesko, but looks like Arsenal are scared of paying for players they don't really believe are elite level.

Newcastle will rightly slap 120M minimum price on isak, which Arsenal won't go near.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal better pray Raya is fit for Sundays game, Neto as expected Is a woeful back up keeper.

1-1 in Girona

 

[Amjid Javed]

Good finish from Nwaneri, its good he's fit and playing again

2-1

 

[Amjid Javed]

I have seen Duran when he starts and he looks a different player to when he is a impact sub. I have liked Watkins over the years and he would be a welcome addition.

The cynic in me says this is just the club trying to make out they tried but didn't succeed. Lets wait and see.

I said a short while ago Watkins would be attainable not sure why they have waited this deep into the window to make a bid.

Part of me now thinks maybe Arsenal knew about the possible Duran to Saudi deal, the offer for Watkins indeed was a, well we tried with an offer.

So Arsenal will probably go back to the real targets rashford or calvert Lewin

 

[Amjid Javed]

Interesting way the CL draw is done for next rounds

UEFA Champions League knockout phase play-off draw: Where is it, when is it, who is involved? | UEFA Champions League 2024/25

UEFA Champions League 2024/2025 knockout play-offs draw schedule confirmed. Find out who is facing who in UEFA Champions League 2024/2025 knockout play-offs.

www.uefa.com

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal would play Ac Milan / PSV vs Juve / feyenoord in last 16

These Arsenal's possible opponents.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Looking at seeding map

Bayern or Real will play Man city.

Inter also on that half of draw

As are Arsenal

Villa, Barca, Liverpool in top half of draw

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Looking at seeding map

Bayern or Real will play Man city.

Inter also on that half of draw

As are Arsenal

Villa, Barca, Liverpool in top half of draw

Arsenals side of the draw is Mouthwatering. Gooners must get a quality CF in to have any chance.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenals side of the draw is Mouthwatering. Gooners must get a quality CF in to have any chance.

Yeah Arsenal, inter, Athletico, inter, leverkusen, real, Bayern, man city all in bottom half of the draw

 

[Amjid Javed]

 

[MK7Z]

Part of me now thinks maybe Arsenal knew about the possible Duran to Saudi deal, the offer for Watkins indeed was a, well we tried with an offer.

So Arsenal will probably go back to the real targets rashford or calvert Lewin

Exactly what I just came here to post

Performative as usual by the club. Never any intention. Knew full well villa would not sell both

 

[Amjid Javed]

Exactly what I just came here to post

Performative as usual by the club. Never any intention. Knew full well villa would not sell both

With Edu gone, I wonder who is actually doing any work in back ground for so called transfers now.

Nothing surprises me with how this club operates

 

[MK7Z]

With Edu gone, I wonder who is actually doing any work in back ground for so called transfers now.

Nothing surprises me with how this club operates

The fans have been taken for mugs once again. But they will still go and buy the new merch that gets released every other week.

I went in on Mikel for some of his comments but he has said recently openly that we are short. Whether its due to his poor squad building or not him calling it out I applaud.

 

[Amjid Javed]

The fans have been taken for mugs once again. But they will still go and buy the new merch that gets released every other week.

I went in on Mikel for some of his comments but he has said recently openly that we are short. Whether its due to his poor squad building or not him calling it out I applaud.

Mikel has used "the we are short" excuse to many times now. He used this during the summer, it's quite clear he only had certain amount of funds in summer and he chose to invest it in poor signings.

On top of that he said these are best owners he's worked for.

Plus it didn't stop him signing a 15M contract.

Just like when wenger was the kronke shield, I have no sympathy here for Arteta.

It's clearly obvious Edu left as he wasn't happy with Arteta getting a new contract. Or the fact he was getting his way on transfers. Which essentially made Edus role pointless.

I won't be shocked if kronkes are now thinking why do you keep asking us for money, to fix your mistakes.

This is what happens when you give a kid who still has stabilisers on his bike a motorcycle and expecting him to win you a race.

Yeah the club merchandise, selling Caps in the shop for £30+ it's a shambles

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Arsenal charged over players' reaction to red card

Arsenal have been charged by the Football Association after players confronted referee Michael Oliver following Myles Lewis-Skelly's controversial dismissal in the 1-0 win against Wolves.

Oliver showed Lewis-Skelly a straight red card in the first half after the teenager fouled Matt Doherty, with the referee ruling it was serious foul play.

The Gunners appealed against the decision and the 18-year-old's three-match ban was overturned earlier this week.

Arsenal have until 3 February to respond to the FA charge.

Police have been investigating "threats and abuse" directed at Oliver, said referees' body Professional Game Match Officials Limited.

The FA said Arsenal had allegedly failed to ensure their players "did not behave in an improper manner".

Doherty was just outside the Wolves box as he mounted a counter-attack in the 43rd minute when he was brought down by Lewis-Skelly.

The decision to send him off was upheld by Darren England, who was the video assistant referee (VAR).

The red card infuriated Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta and divided opinion among pundits and fans.

Match of the Day pundit Alan Shearer, the Premier League's record goalscorer, said the sending off was "one of the worst decisions I've seen in a long time".

Arsenal charged over players' reaction to Myles Lewis-Skelly red card

Arsenal are charged by the Football Association after players surrounded referee Michael Oliver during their 1-0 win against Wolves at Molineux Stadium last weekend.

www.bbc.com

 

[KingKhanWC]

My opinion hasn't change, just as it didn't over the Bruno Fernandes one

Again, I go back to the very start, it's not one of those that I say is an absolute stonewall red card and there isn't the slightest bit of doubt. I even said if a yellow was given on field I wouldn't be up in arms about it

My main issue is the reaction to it, I think it's been absolutely absurd. You have Micah Richards calling it the worst decision in premier league history, you have Arsenal fans saying similar. It's one thing to say you think it's a poor decision but the furore and hyperbole has been absurd

Over the recent years I've grown a massive dislike to people that bleat on about referees, it's tedious and tiresome (and I say this as someone that probably did similar in the past) and I think managers like Klopp, Arteta in recent years have played their part in this. They are incapable of accepting defeat and in turn they just whinge and moan about referees

I had a friend message me after the Bournemouth game saying the referee was a disgrace, like seriously? We got schooled by Bournemouth from start to finish, we didn't lose to them because of the referee, it's because they were the better team by some distance

However football fans (and it's all teams, just some have louder voices) will go on about referees all the time and essentially they just want all decisions to go in their favour, unless that happens they'll whinge about referees at every opportunity they get

I could go on and on about this subject but I think fans could start by not making it out to be a bigger issue but I think they'll only do that if managers, players, pundits stop first

Fair post .

The reaction from some arsenal fans and some parts of the team over dramatic .

Wolves had 3/4 great chances, arsenal got through with a win but will need a better performance to take 3 points off city .

City have been avg this season but can win this match away , while arsenal cannot afford to lose.

Arsenal still no new striker, city have bought in 3 players inc marmoush. City will be confident of winning imo .

 

[IMMY69]

Fair post .

The reaction from some arsenal fans and some parts of the team over dramatic .

Wolves had 3/4 great chances, arsenal got through with a win but will need a better performance to take 3 points off city .

City have been avg this season but can win this match away , while arsenal cannot afford to lose.

Arsenal still no new striker, city have bought in 3 players inc marmoush. City will be confident of winning imo .

Tell me are you not at all worried about Bournemouth this Saturday?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Fair post .

The reaction from some arsenal fans and some parts of the team over dramatic .

Wolves had 3/4 great chances, arsenal got through with a win but will need a better performance to take 3 points off city .

City have been avg this season but can win this match away , while arsenal cannot afford to lose.

Arsenal still no new striker, city have bought in 3 players inc marmoush. City will be confident of winning imo .

Watch Arteta revert to type with his go to tactics, Low Block, and hope for a set piece to come good .

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Fair post .

The reaction from some arsenal fans and some parts of the team over dramatic .

Wolves had 3/4 great chances, arsenal got through with a win but will need a better performance to take 3 points off city .

City have been avg this season but can win this match away , while arsenal cannot afford to lose.

Arsenal still no new striker, city have bought in 3 players inc marmoush. City will be confident of winning imo .

I think if Pep was offered a point now he would snap your hands off

Whilst City have improved from when they were losing every week they are far from over their issues

Although they beat Brugge they were defensively a mess, they were lucky to only concede the one goal. Nunes at RB is a disaster (hopefully he plays there when we play them in a couple of weeks).

Even if it's not Nunes at RB it will end up being Khusanov and Arsenal should be looking to target that part of the pitch

I'm confident Arsenal can get the win and it's a shame they got Oliver removed from the match because he'd obviously help Arsenal win as a City loss benefits Newcastle

 

[Amjid Javed]

I think if Pep was offered a point now he would snap your hands off

Whilst City have improved from when they were losing every week they are far from over their issues

Although they beat Brugge they were defensively a mess, they were lucky to only concede the one goal. Nunes at RB is a disaster (hopefully he plays there when we play them in a couple of weeks).

Even if it's not Nunes at RB it will end up being Khusanov and Arsenal should be looking to target that part of the pitch

I'm confident Arsenal can get the win and it's a shame they got Oliver removed from the match because he'd obviously help Arsenal win as a City loss benefits Newcastle

Same Oliver that got brown envelopes from City owners for refereeing a game in middle East.

Everyone knows Oliver favours City and Newcastle

So not sure why Oliver would go against his paymasters at Man city

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Same Oliver that got brown envelopes from City owners for refereeing a game in middle East.

Everyone knows Oliver favours City and Newcastle

So not sure why Oliver would go against his paymasters at Man city

Why would he get paid in brown envelopes?

It was all declared and approved, if it was done in secret then your conspiracy could have some legs to it, as it is you just need to remove the tin foil hat

 

[MK7Z]

Fair post .

The reaction from some arsenal fans and some parts of the team over dramatic .

Wolves had 3/4 great chances, arsenal got through with a win but will need a better performance to take 3 points off city .

City have been avg this season but can win this match away , while arsenal cannot afford to lose.

Arsenal still no new striker, city have bought in 3 players inc marmoush. City will be confident of winning imo .

Tell me you didn't watch the game without telling me you didnt watch the game

Wolves did nothing. They had once chance all game so not sure which 3/4 great chances you are referring to, please elaborate or did you look at the stats that said 4 shots on target and used that to make up Wolves had 3/4 great chances.

Arsenal, Man City game has no bearing on anything. Unless Liverpool drop points. Arsenal are not in a title Race until Liverpool drop points and we make up some ground. Until then we are just the best of the rest and have no front line and as you say still have no striker. What do they expect.

 

[MK7Z]

Why would he get paid in brown envelopes?

It was all declared and approved, if it was done in secret then your conspiracy could have some legs to it, as it is you just need to remove the tin foil hat

Out of interest approved by who? the PGMOL?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Out of interest approved by who? the PGMOL?

Yes

However, after a lot of kicking off about it Howard Webb decided to stop it, only exception would be if it's for development purposes

So an established referee would not be allowed to go whereas a younger one would (although I don't think that has happened yet)

 

[MK7Z]

Yes

However, after a lot of kicking off about it Howard Webb decided to stop it, only exception would be if it's for development purposes

So an established referee would not be allowed to go whereas a younger one would (although I don't think that has happened yet)

If it was all good and nothing suspect about it and if you question it you a wearing a tin hat. Why would they put a stop to it?

They are very stubborn and arrogant organisation who don't admit mistakes, yet they decided to stop refs doing the above tells you how dodgy it was.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Why would he get paid in brown envelopes?

It was all declared and approved, if it was done in secret then your conspiracy could have some legs to it, as it is you just need to remove the tin foil hat

Oh dear, so niave.

We've already seen David Coote exposed.

If you look at Oliver and his record of how he officiated man city compared to everyone else it's there to see.

We also have seen when Mike Dean refused to get Antony Taylor to look at the screen, after the cucerella hair pull vs spurs. As he didn't want to make his mate Antony taylor look bad. Cover up for his mate.

The PGMOL is just a bunch of referees that essentially just look out for themselves.

There are other referees who are known supporters of certain teams. That's also always seem to make dodgy decisions against rival teams.

Also of Oliver doing what he did in Saudi, why was it stopped?

Because its a conflict of interest.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Yes

However, after a lot of kicking off about it Howard Webb decided to stop it, only exception would be if it's for development purposes

So an established referee would not be allowed to go whereas a younger one would (although I don't think that has happened yet)

Only thing that was developed was olivers Bank balance, same goes for any other referee doing it.

 

[Amjid Javed]

So PGMOL referees need to be flown out to middle east, get paid a years wage (or more) for 1 game. That's going going to help them develop.

Supposedly I have a tin hat on

Judging my the standard of referees in this country the whole let need to be sent over there.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal will have either winner of man city vs Real or Bayern vs celtic in their half of draw if they get to 1/4 finals

 

[KingKhanWC]

Tell me are you not at all worried about Bournemouth this Saturday?

Nothing to worry , looking forward to a great match . Liverpool can drop points but I feel we will take 3 points on this occasion .

Arsenal should beat the weakest city team in 5 years but could also drop points.

If Bournemouth and Arsenel lose , the title is over imo

 

[Amjid Javed]

Nothing to worry , looking forward to a great match . Liverpool can drop points but I feel we will take 3 points on this occasion .

Arsenal should beat the weakest city team in 5 years but could also drop points.

If Bournemouth and Arsenel lose , the title is over imo

So it's in the bag? If those 2 results happen?

 

[MK7Z]

Arsenal should beat the weakest city team in 5 years but could also drop points.

Great prediction

Arsenal might win, might draw, or might lose.

Covered all bases. Good stuff

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

If it was all good and nothing suspect about it and if you question it you a wearing a tin hat. Why would they put a stop to it?

They are very stubborn and arrogant organisation who don't admit mistakes, yet they decided to stop refs doing the above tells you how dodgy it was.

Because people complained about it and PGMOL decided it wasn't a good look, which I understand and it's proven by all the absurd suggestions of corruption

Dodginess is when things are done under the table and in secret, that's what would worry, openly going to referee in a competition with open and full approval is not the behaviour of people getting paid to make decisions in favour of certain teams etc etc

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

So PGMOL referees need to be flown out to middle east, get paid a years wage (or more) for 1 game. That's going going to help them develop.

Supposedly I have a tin hat on

Judging my the standard of referees in this country the whole let need to be sent over there.

Where have you got these figures from?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Oh dear, so niave.

We've already seen David Coote exposed.

If you look at Oliver and his record of how he officiated man city compared to everyone else it's there to see.

We also have seen when Mike Dean refused to get Antony Taylor to look at the screen, after the cucerella hair pull vs spurs. As he didn't want to make his mate Antony taylor look bad. Cover up for his mate.

The PGMOL is just a bunch of referees that essentially just look out for themselves.

There are other referees who are known supporters of certain teams. That's also always seem to make dodgy decisions against rival teams.

Also of Oliver doing what he did in Saudi, why was it stopped?

Because its a conflict of interest.

David Coote got exposed for doing drugs and calling Klopp an unsavoury word, there was no suggestion of corruption

It's hardly a shock a guy that gets screamed at by Klopp would think unfavourably of him

Again, you are going off on a completely different tangent. There are plenty of poor refereeing decisions, for and against all teams, I've never once disputed that but to suggest it's corruption is ludicrous

Answer me this, when Chris Kavanagh failed to give Liverpool a penalty when Odegaard handled it in the box, who was he getting paid by to make that poor decision? Or did he do it because he's an Arsenal fan?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Great prediction

Arsenal might win, might draw, or might lose.

Covered all bases. Good stuff

It wasnt a prediction lol

It's a great match for neutrals as it could go either way .

We can predict if you like,?

1-2

Yours ? And anyone on here please predict scoreline

 

[KingKhanWC]

So it's in the bag? If those 2 results happen?

In the bag is copyrighted on this forum @man

9 points clear with a game in hand into feb , liverpool's to throw away like an old milk bottle .

Arsenal win , lfc dont title is on.

The key for arsenal is to go to Anfield with the title still not decided . You never know havertz may turn into Michael Thomas

 

[IMMY69]

David Coote got exposed for doing drugs and calling Klopp an unsavoury word, there was no suggestion of corruption

It's hardly a shock a guy that gets screamed at by Klopp would think unfavourably of him

Again, you are going off on a completely different tangent. There are plenty of poor refereeing decisions, for and against all teams, I've never once disputed that but to suggest it's corruption is ludicrous

Answer me this, when Chris Kavanagh failed to give Liverpool a penalty when Odegaard handled it in the box, who was he getting paid by to make that poor decision? Or did he do it because he's an Arsenal fan?

Wasn't he also investigated for placing bets, giving a premeditated yellow?
Was he cleared of those allegations?

Its a genuine question as I haven't kept up with Coote thing other then him coming out...

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Wasn't he also investigated for placing bets, giving a premeditated yellow?
Was he cleared of those allegations?

Its a genuine question as I haven't kept up with Coote thing other then him coming out...

I think that investigation is ongoing with regards to that incident

It doesn't appear to be part of a wider betting issue but if it is then that would be far more worrying than going to referee abroad or what team someone supports

 

[Amjid Javed]

Because people complained about it and PGMOL decided it wasn't a good look, which I understand and it's proven by all the absurd suggestions of corruption

Dodginess is when things are done under the table and in secret, that's what would worry, openly going to referee in a competition with open and full approval is not the behaviour of people getting paid to make decisions in favour of certain teams etc etc

Feel free to enlighten us how referees being sent to Saudi are improving how they officiate? Is the Saudi league got some sort of magic where its going to make these referees competent.

Oliver get paid £20,000 to officate in a "friendly" game. Went over in first class flights, plush hotel, all expenses 0aid by citys owners. Darren England was another one who went over to Saudi As well.

These referees get paid around £1,000 to £1,500 per PL game on top of their wage.

Yet going to Saudi Oliver got £20,000 for a "friendly" game, as he needed to develop.

He could officate any friendly games over here? Are English football games not sufficient to develop?

But yet you think corruption has to be hidden .

Why cudnt City owners just use a Saudi referee? End of day, it was a friendly game of football.

 

[Amjid Javed]

David Coote got exposed for doing drugs and calling Klopp an unsavoury word, there was no suggestion of corruption

It's hardly a shock a guy that gets screamed at by Klopp would think unfavourably of him

Again, you are going off on a completely different tangent. There are plenty of poor refereeing decisions, for and against all teams, I've never once disputed that but to suggest it's corruption is ludicrous

Answer me this, when Chris Kavanagh failed to give Liverpool a penalty when Odegaard handled it in the box, who was he getting paid by to make that poor decision? Or did he do it because he's an Arsenal fan?

Go have a look at volume of favourable decisions Oliver gives to Man City in games, also against rival teams as well.

If you think that's just coincidental then your very niave.

Go watch the city vs Arsenal game from this season again and look at the fouls haaland got away with, doku kicking ball away etc.. then what Arsenal were peanilised for in same game.

Yet again you will think that's just coincidence

 

[Amjid Javed]

Wasn't he also investigated for placing bets, giving a premeditated yellow?
Was he cleared of those allegations?

Its a genuine question as I haven't kept up with Coote thing other then him coming out...

Don't worry bro.

Certain fans think that flying out micheal oliver to Saudi, all expenses paid for a friendly game, paying him 20K for the match is for development purposes.

Because it wasn't done in secret, its not corruption.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Feel free to enlighten us how referees being sent to Saudi are improving how they officiate? Is the Saudi league got some sort of magic where its going to make these referees competent.

Oliver get paid £20,000 to officate in a "friendly" game. Went over in first class flights, plush hotel, all expenses 0aid by citys owners. Darren England was another one who went over to Saudi As well.

These referees get paid around £1,000 to £1,500 per PL game on top of their wage.

Yet going to Saudi Oliver got £20,000 for a "friendly" game, as he needed to develop.

He could officate any friendly games over here? Are English football games not sufficient to develop?

But yet you think corruption has to be hidden .

Why cudnt City owners just use a Saudi referee? End of day, it was a friendly game of football.

As is often the case you go off on some tangent, I'll keep it simple with the following 3 questions

1) Who on earth said they were being sent to Saudi to improve how they officiate?

2) Any reliable source for the claim he got paid £20k?

3) You said they got a years wage (or more) from 1 game? Are you now admitting you lied or you got it wrong?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I wonder if the same people thinking Oliver officiating in a game abroad with full approval and it being declared is corruption, also think David Dein being part of the FA was corruption in Arsenal's favour?

 

[Amjid Javed]

I wonder if the same people thinking Oliver officiating in a game abroad with full approval and it being declared is corruption, also think David Dein being part of the FA was corruption in Arsenal's favour?

plenty of other football executive have been on FA board before. David GIll who was at united, was part of FA as well. So not sure what irrelevant point your making?

It's not different in other sports. You have someone on the BCCI board who is the ICC chairmen.

In regards to PGMOL approving referees going to Saudi, they gave a pathetic excuses for it



It's funny how uve ignored this points

- why would city owners pay Oliver £20,000 for a friendly game?

Why don't you name all the other times a referee has been flown out to another country all expenses paid and then paid 20 times what they normal getting for a friendly match. Not a cup match, not a league game, a friendly.

Yet your still defending this nonsense.

 

[Amjid Javed]

As is often the case you go off on some tangent, I'll keep it simple with the following 3 questions

1) Who on earth said they were being sent to Saudi to improve how they officiate?

2) Any reliable source for the claim he got paid £20k?

3) You said they got a years wage (or more) from 1 game? Are you now admitting you lied or you got it wrong?

1) only reason they went to Saudi was to make more money. This was also during the PL season. The whole reason there was a fuss made was because

- City owners paid Oliver for games in Saudi, that's a conflict of interest. If you don't think that is and your whole weak argument is to bring up David dein?

- Darren England also went to Saudi, then came back late. Was then on VAR Duty vs spurs vs liverpool, were they cudnt even draw lines properly. So he was rightly criticised about his job. When he was busy during week jetting off to another league.

2. The fact you think it's ok for City's owners to pay referees to officate in other games in another league is ok, shows how lost you are.

3) referees get £1,000 to £1,500 per game. He got £20,000 for his Saudi job. On top of that taking solicited pay whilst in a job, from an other organisation would be prohibited. It would be seen as taking a gift.

Your whole argument is "the PGMOL" approver it so its ok.

We've seen corruption in FIFA and UEFA before, but if someone same PGMOL is corrupt its absurd

So niave.

If you look at other sports, how long in cricket have we seen biased home umpires? Yet if we say a referee has some sort if bias it's absurd.

Again naivety on your part showing again

 

[Amjid Javed]

Also now David Dein has been brought up as a lame excuses, to defend Oliver from taking payments from man city owners during a PL season, to go officate in Saudi.

David Dein got onto the FA board, when he was voted on by other clubs to do so.

He help found the Premier league, the FA board at that time 4 representives from different clubs on the board.

Uniteds David Gill was on the board as well at some point

So comparing a football clubs chief executive being on the FA board

To an active PL club (man city) owner paying a referee to officate in another league.

- whilst the PL season is going on
- paying a referee essentially for "work in another league", whilst the officate in a League where you own a team. Isn't a conflict of interest?

If that was in any other work place, you would get done for conflict of interest

But but the PGMOL said it was OK, so it's not corruption.

Hilarious

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

You need to stop with these essays and focus on the questions I asked, instead you go on a massive rant and truthfully that's an area you are an expert in and I can't compete with that, forum filibustering at it's finest

So let's try again, since you didn't answer my question

1) Who said they were being sent to Saudi to improve how they officiate?

2) Any reliable source for the claim he got paid £20k?

3) You said they got a years wage (or more) from 1 game? Are you now admitting you lied or you got it wrong?

Please, try and answer the above questions as succinctly as possible. I'm not interested in essays which talk about something else

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Also now David Dein has been brought up as a lame excuses, to defend Oliver from taking payments from man city owners during a PL season, to go officate in Saudi.

David Dein got onto the FA board, when he was voted on by other clubs to do so.

He help found the Premier league, the FA board at that time 4 representives from different clubs on the board.

Uniteds David Gill was on the board as well at some point

So comparing a football clubs chief executive being on the FA board

To an active PL club (man city) owner paying a referee to officate in another league.

- whilst the PL season is going on
- paying a referee essentially for "work in another league", whilst the officate in a League where you own a team. Isn't a conflict of interest?

If that was in any other work place, you would get done for conflict of interest

But but the PGMOL said it was OK, so it's not corruption.

Hilarious

It's not a lame excuse, just wanted to see if there was hypocrisy at work and it was

I don't care about David Dein being on the FA board as I presume it was above board, just as I don't care about referees earning money elsewhere as long as it is above board and approved, which it has been

The fact you are now uncomfortable about the David Dein example shows your claims of corruption are ludicrous

 

[Amjid Javed]

If it was all good and nothing suspect about it and if you question it you a wearing a tin hat. Why would they put a stop to it?

They are very stubborn and arrogant organisation who don't admit mistakes, yet they decided to stop refs doing the above tells you how dodgy it was.

A stop was put to it because its a conflict of interest.

In the finance industry I work in. If my client i service said il give you £2,000 to go and do some work elsewhere. Whilst doing my current job. I'd get done for taking a solicited gift and could even get take to court.

But people think because PGMOL approve it. Its not corruption.

Also corruption is only done in secret.

Imagine if the Kronkes now said to Anthony Taylor. We want you to come to MLS and referee all colarado Rapid games during PL season and we we will pay £20,000 per match. You would see the other 19 clubs kicking off big time.

Hey we are wearing tin hats

 

[Amjid Javed]

It's not a lame excuse, just wanted to see if there was hypocrisy at work and it was

I don't care about David Dein being on the FA board as I presume it was above board, just as I don't care about referees earning money elsewhere as long as it is above board and approved, which it has been

The fact you are now uncomfortable about the David Dein example shows your claims of corruption are ludicrous

So your whole lame argument is that the PGMOL approved for referees to go to a league where City owners are paying them to officate.

At the same time these referees are officiating in PL where City are playing.

The fact you can't comprend the conflict of interest law in pretty much all working industries.

The whole reason FA pulled the Saudi stuff is because they knew they could end up with legal implications if any premier league clubs raised it as an issue.

So according to you, its ok for City owners to pay Oliver for extra work, during a PL season. During a PL season as well. That's ok?

 

[Amjid Javed]

It's not a lame excuse, just wanted to see if there was hypocrisy at work and it was

I don't care about David Dein being on the FA board as I presume it was above board, just as I don't care about referees earning money elsewhere as long as it is above board and approved, which it has been

The fact you are now uncomfortable about the David Dein example shows your claims of corruption are ludicrous

So according to you on David Dein. There should be no football executives on the FA board, uefa or fifa board.

Same goes for cricket, why is BCCI chairmen the ICC chairmen.

Your whole excuse on this is comedy gold.

Man city owners were paying referees, paying all their expenses to go referee elsewhere. You think that's not an issue?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Yes

However, after a lot of kicking off about it Howard Webb decided to stop it, only exception would be if it's for development purposes

So an established referee would not be allowed to go whereas a younger one would (although I don't think that has happened yet)

PGMOL approved it

Then when clubs complained about conflict of interest, it got pulled.

Which was point ive made all along.

Just because someone approves something doesn't mean it's above board.

I work for a company, and service an external client. If My external client paid me for extra work, my manager approved it. Both me and my manager would get sacked if others found out.

The whole it was "approved" argument is poor to say the least. Nor does an approval mean its above board.

You think all the approvals seb blatter, Platini gave whilst they were in their jobs was above board?

Like I said naivety is there for all to see.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

So according to you on David Dein. There should be no football executives on the FA board, uefa or fifa board.

Same goes for cricket, why is BCCI chairmen the ICC chairmen.

Your whole excuse on this is comedy gold.

Man city owners were paying referees, paying all their expenses to go referee elsewhere. You think that's not an issue?

You love to read things that aren't there don't you?

I gave the David Dein example to call out your hypocrisy, I'm consistent in that I have no issue with either

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Also, I like how you avoided my 3 clear and succinct questions, speaks volumes

 

[Amjid Javed]

You love to read things that aren't there don't you?

I gave the David Dein example to call out your hypocrisy, I'm consistent in that I have no issue with either

How is it hypocrisy?

Let me know where in the law it's says you can't be an executive at a company and be on a board else where? You have club executive which make part of uefa and Fifa.

What the PGMOL actually approved on referees officiating in another league whilst being paid by city's owners is technically taking a gift. Which in most industries is a criminal offence and not permitted.

Why do you think the PGMOL stopped doing it? If they carried out, clubs could have filed legal action against the PGMOL.

Like I said the fact you can't comprehend the difference shows that your clueless here.

You simply can't take any money or provide additional servics from anyone who has a vested interested in two separate companies, clubs, organisations, leagues etc..

il leave it there. The fact uve made such a pointless comparison Says it all. When Money is involved in terms of payments etc.. it is a criminal offence.

I bet you had no issue with Qatar and South Africa getting world cups after bribing Fifa officials, because the "approved it" and was above board.

The irony of all this is. That one of the charges leveled against man city in their 115 charges case is that Mancini was secretly being paid by as a consultant for a private company. Which in reality was the city owners actually paying him extra money, which they wanted to not disclose under football fair play rules.

So it's not the 1st time City owners have behaved in a way where its a conflict of interest behaviour.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Also, I like how you avoided my 3 clear and succinct questions, speaks volumes

I answered all 3 questions, you clearly didn't like My answers.

The main point here is a simple one and one simple question which has to be answered.

Why did the PGMOL stop allowing active PL referees from doing work in Saudi?

It was because its a conflict of interest, when the person paying the expenses, match fees etc.. Is an owner of a PL football club.

Like I already explained you, do that in any other job. You have to declare any such payments or gifts, otherwise you will be prosecuted for criminal offences.

If the city owners weren't part of the Saudi league, were paying these PL referees then its not an issue. The fact money is involved changes whole dynamics.

You think the other 18 PL (other than Newcastle) were happy with Oliver etc.. being paid by City's owners to work in Saudi, whilst at same time also officiating in PL?

So you can whinge about your questions, David dein etc...

Facts are PGMOL sanctioned something which was wrong and pulled the plug to avoid legal action been taken.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Also 1 final point in regards to taking money from invested parties between two entities, companies, leagues etc.. if even permitted the monetary value has to be low.

We are talking about referees who get approx £1,000 a game getting significantly more then thar from a party who has business interests in the PL and Saudi league.

Feel free to educate yourself on link below.

Gifts and hospitality policy

www.gov.uk

 

[Amjid Javed]

Premier League refs blocked from taking on UAE and Saudi jobs

Premier League referees have been blocked from taking on one-off games in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, according to a report.Howard Webb speaks during the launch of FIFA’s Anti-Discrim...

sports.yahoo.com

PGMOL also lost a court case against HMRC over tax declaration with PL referees whilst working in Saudi.

So anyone deluded thinking PGMOL weren't getting into trouble over the Saudi stuff can have a nice slap of reality.

These referees won't be going on any other jolly ups elsewhere and being paid.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

You are just waffling like I expected

Failed to answer the questions directly, wrote an essay sharing links to things that are totally irrelevant

If you decide to answer the questions then I'll continue this conversation, until then you carry on believing referees are being paid to make decisions against your club

 

[Amjid Javed]

You are just waffling like I expected

Failed to answer the questions directly, wrote an essay sharing links to things that are totally irrelevant

If you decide to answer the questions then I'll continue this conversation, until then you carry on believing referees are being paid to make decisions against your club

Only person waffling is you

Which isn't a shock. Newcastle have Saudi owners, so no wonder you don't have an issue with referees being paid which is a conflict of interest.

Your whole lack of credibility has been exposed here.

What I posted is irrelevant? I gave you an explanation as to what a conflict of interest is. Facts

Also gave you an article as to why PGMOL back tracked on their approval.

Not my fault your being delusional and can't understand

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I've understood every single thing and there's more absurd comments from you, which I can unravel but it's pointless asking other questions when you've struggled to remain on point and answer 3 very straightforward questions

If you had credibility, you'd answer the questions as succinctly as possible and we could then advance the discussion

Instead, you've ignored the specific questions, wrote an essay (with inaccurate claims) and are self congratulating yourself

I'll repeat the questions just on the very slim chance you decide to actually answer them, if you fail to answer as I suspect and it's more waffle I'm done with this topic

(Questions repeated below)

1) Who said they were being sent to Saudi to improve how they officiate?

2) Any reliable source for the claim he got paid £20k?

3) You said they got a years wage (or more) from 1 game? Are you now admitting you lied or you got it wrong?

 

[Amjid Javed]

I've understood every single thing and there's more absurd comments from you, which I can unravel but it's pointless asking other questions when you've struggled to remain on point and answer 3 very straightforward questions

If you had credibility, you'd answer the questions as succinctly as possible and we could then advance the discussion

Instead, you've ignored the specific questions, wrote an essay (with inaccurate claims) and are self congratulating yourself

I'll repeat the questions just on the very slim chance you decide to actually answer them, if you fail to answer as I suspect and it's more waffle I'm done with this topic

(Questions repeated below)

1) Who said they were being sent to Saudi to improve how they officiate?

2) Any reliable source for the claim he got paid £20k?

3) You said they got a years wage (or more) from 1 game? Are you now admitting you lied or you got it wrong?

again your yapping on about creditibility.

Yet you say you have no issue with referees earning money elsewhere in other leagues. Which is a conflict of interest. On top of that City owners are paying referees for additional services, whilst they Also work in PL where Saudi owners have vested interests.

Your whole argument was based on PGMOL approved it, so it was above board. So it's valid which shows your naivety

PGMOL have now stopped referees from going to Saudi for 2 reasons.

1) PL clubs rightly complained about conflict of interest

2) HMRC won case over PGMOL referees working in other leagues and tax implications

Reality is PGMOL approved something wrongly and since has back tracked.

you comical accused people of wear in tinfoil hats, yet the back tracking of the PGMOL shows this was done as their integrity was in question not on one count but two.

There is nothing more to advance here, the PGMOL got exposed for doing something for personal gain financially and didn't think about the integrity of the PL until clubs spoke up.

Yet you think that these referees are impartial.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If it was all good and nothing suspect about it and if you question it you a wearing a tin hat. Why would they put a stop to it?

They are very stubborn and arrogant organisation who don't admit mistakes, yet they decided to stop refs doing the above tells you how dodgy it was.

Time for some facts

- PGMOL referees get an agreed rate of pay per match from the Premier league board each season
- PGMOL are struggling from a financial point of view
- PGMOL referees wanted a pay rise, after agree at start of season a set Rate.
- PGMOL board said No, the referees could have gone on strike, but issue was PL clubs would have said your not doing jobs properly and your demanding money
- going to Saudi league, was a way of referees getting extra pay that PGMOL weren't prepared to pay. So this is why it was "Authorised"
- PGMOL saying having referees officate in different leagues, was justication they gave. (Truth is its about a pay dispute - see above)
- the extra income, in terms of TAX. The PGMOL didn't want that linked to their accounts. PGMOL excuse was that referees are not all full time, some can be seen as contracts. HRMC threw this out. This is reason 1 why the Saudi jobs were stopped
- the Referees having these additional Saudi jobs, essentially we're asking for higher money, then they got for PL games as they needed the money. Yet according to the delusionist and clueless people on here, that's not a conflict of interest.
- Both Newcastle and Man city owners have vested interests in PL and Saudi league. Man city owners essentially paid all referees expenses, match fees etc.. for them to go to Saudi. Paying over the odds, to what they get in PL. This was essentially to cover money referees saying they needed and weren't getting from PGMOL.
- conflict of interest as per above, PGMOL still approved it. They also tried to get around the tax Implications by trying to get these payments to be logged against the Saudi board league accounts.
- the British press can't disclose all full details or make an example of the PGMOL due to legal agreements they have made previously
- premier league clubs complained Bour the conflict of interest on referees and Saudi jobs pulled (reason number 2)

So with your question about if it was all above board, why was it pulled. It was pulled due to PGMOL doing things they should have been doing.

Yet you have certain people saying it's absurd, tin foil hats etc.. to call things out.

Like you said PGMOL is an arrogant organisation who think they could do what they wanted until they got found like they did above

Not all, but quite a few of these referees have zero integrity.

 

[MK7Z]

Time for some facts

- PGMOL referees get an agreed rate of pay per match from the Premier league board each season
- PGMOL are struggling from a financial point of view
- PGMOL referees wanted a pay rise, after agree at start of season a set Rate.
- PGMOL board said No, the referees could have gone on strike, but issue was PL clubs would have said your not doing jobs properly and your demanding money
- going to Saudi league, was a way of referees getting extra pay that PGMOL weren't prepared to pay. So this is why it was "Authorised"
- PGMOL saying having referees officate in different leagues, was justication they gave. (Truth is its about a pay dispute - see above)
- the extra income, in terms of TAX. The PGMOL didn't want that linked to their accounts. PGMOL excuse was that referees are not all full time, some can be seen as contracts. HRMC threw this out. This is reason 1 why the Saudi jobs were stopped
- the Referees having these additional Saudi jobs, essentially we're asking for higher money, then they got for PL games as they needed the money. Yet according to the delusionist and clueless people on here, that's not a conflict of interest.
- Both Newcastle and Man city owners have vested interests in PL and Saudi league. Man city owners essentially paid all referees expenses, match fees etc.. for them to go to Saudi. Paying over the odds, to what they get in PL. This was essentially to cover money referees saying they needed and weren't getting from PGMOL.
- conflict of interest as per above, PGMOL still approved it. They also tried to get around the tax Implications by trying to get these payments to be logged against the Saudi board league accounts.
- the British press can't disclose all full details or make an example of the PGMOL due to legal agreements they have made previously
- premier league clubs complained Bour the conflict of interest on referees and Saudi jobs pulled (reason number 2)

So with your question about if it was all above board, why was it pulled. It was pulled due to PGMOL doing things they should have been doing.

Yet you have certain people saying it's absurd, tin foil hats etc.. to call things out.

Like you said PGMOL is an arrogant organisation who think they could do what they wanted until they got found like they did above

Not all, but quite a few of these referees have zero integrity.

I agree. Pure facts.

I say this as a football fan not an Arsenal fan which people can't seem to comprehend as they assume it's because arsenal got a PROVEN howler against them last week.

The PGMOL doesn not have any intergrity. They have a relationship with Sky which means they can't be to harsh on them.

Everyone can choose who they want to believe tbh but in my opinion you have to be naive if you think some clubs and players are not treated differently than others.

Example... Steven Gerrard got a way with all sorts while playing cos of who he was.

Harry Kane was a very dirty player and got away with red card challenges and dives for years cos he is Englands darling.

Shearer was another one who got away with more than others.

Jordan Pickford in recent times. Never seems to get booked for time wasting to the max.

All players have a go at refs during the game but watch Cole Palmer closely and see if you notice him swear at the refs on a persistent basis. Now do think Rice would get away with the same.

Just a few examples in my opinion that refs are biased in certain scenarios. So not only related Saudi/Middle East clubs.

Do you think Oliver will be a fair ref now after this past week the next time he Refs Arsenal?

 

[KingKhanWC]

I agree. Pure facts.

I say this as a football fan not an Arsenal fan which people can't seem to comprehend as they assume it's because arsenal got a PROVEN howler against them last week.

The PGMOL doesn not have any intergrity. They have a relationship with Sky which means they can't be to harsh on them.

Everyone can choose who they want to believe tbh but in my opinion you have to be naive if you think some clubs and players are not treated differently than others.

Example... Steven Gerrard got a way with all sorts while playing cos of who he was.

Harry Kane was a very dirty player and got away with red card challenges and dives for years cos he is Englands darling.

Shearer was another one who got away with more than others.

Jordan Pickford in recent times. Never seems to get booked for time wasting to the max.

All players have a go at refs during the game but watch Cole Palmer closely and see if you notice him swear at the refs on a persistent basis. Now do think Rice would get away with the same.

Just a few examples in my opinion that refs are biased in certain scenarios. So not only related Saudi/Middle East clubs.

Do you think Oliver will be a fair ref now after this past week the next time he Refs Arsenal?

This is not evidence, its been a week arsenal fans need to stop crying, all teams have decisions go against them .

To prove your case, you need to detail every single wrong decision for and against you for the last 5 year at a minimum. Which you cant.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I agree. Pure facts.

I say this as a football fan not an Arsenal fan which people can't seem to comprehend as they assume it's because arsenal got a PROVEN howler against them last week.

The PGMOL doesn not have any intergrity. They have a relationship with Sky which means they can't be to harsh on them.

Everyone can choose who they want to believe tbh but in my opinion you have to be naive if you think some clubs and players are not treated differently than others.

Example... Steven Gerrard got a way with all sorts while playing cos of who he was.

Harry Kane was a very dirty player and got away with red card challenges and dives for years cos he is Englands darling.

Shearer was another one who got away with more than others.

Jordan Pickford in recent times. Never seems to get booked for time wasting to the max.

All players have a go at refs during the game but watch Cole Palmer closely and see if you notice him swear at the refs on a persistent basis. Now do think Rice would get away with the same.

Just a few examples in my opinion that refs are biased in certain scenarios. So not only related Saudi/Middle East clubs.

Do you think Oliver will be a fair ref now after this past week the next time he Refs Arsenal?

Oliver was down to be the referee for this week's Arsenal vs City game and then it got changed.

Also the entire fact that the whole Saudi thing got pulled, and the press / sky etc.. aren't allowed to expose what's really going on shows that things are right.

We've seen dodgyness in UEFA, FIFA etc.. but supposedly if it happens in PL its absurd.

At somepoint I'm sure someone will break ranks, on this silence and expose it all.

Best counter excuse someone can come up with is David dein was on the FA board in the past and that's corruption.

 

[Amjid Javed]

This is not evidence, its been a week arsenal fans need to stop crying, all teams have decisions go against them .

To prove your case, you need to detail every single wrong decision for and against you for the last 5 year at a minimum. Which you cant.

get some new bait on your fishing rod. Your lame attempt won't work here.

 

[KingKhanWC]

get some new bait on your fishing rod. Your lame attempt won't work here.

There is so much to discuss about the team, suggesting refs are in a conspiracy against arsenal is Jimmy hill fishing.

Arsenal have a big game tomorrow. What are your thoughts? The ref will be against you? Lol

 

[MK7Z]

This is not evidence, its been a week arsenal fans need to stop crying, all teams have decisions go against them .

To prove your case, you need to detail every single wrong decision for and against you for the last 5 year at a minimum. Which you cant.

Did you even read the post or did you do what you normally do and just make random stuff up and post hoping nobody notices with your odd takes that have no backing and result in you throwing a tantrum when challenged?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Did you even read the post or did you do what you normally do and just make random stuff up and post hoping nobody notices with your odd takes that have no backing and result in you throwing a tantrum when challenged?

Arsenal are treated unfairly by refs .?

a tip for arteta buy a striker or he deserves a red card at the end of the season if you win nothing

 

[Amjid Javed]

There is so much to discuss about the team, suggesting refs are in a conspiracy against arsenal is Jimmy hill fishing.

Arsenal have a big game tomorrow. What are your thoughts? The ref will be against you? Lol

Where did I say their is a conspiracy against Arsenal.

Clearly you haven't read any of discussions going on.

 

[MK7Z]

Arsenal are treated unfairly by refs .?

a tip for arteta buy a striker or he deserves a red card at the end of the season if you win nothing

Did I write that in the post you quoted?

Point proven you make stuff up

 

[MK7Z]

Where did I say their is a conspiracy against Arsenal.

Clearly you haven't read any of discussions going on.

I've come to the conclusion he's a fair weather supporter who didn't like football during the 30 year period Liverpool were nothing.

He's back and enjoying his team doing fantastic.. Fair enough. But doesn't half make himself look a clueless guy sometime.

Like saying wolves had 3/4 great chances last week. Clearly didn't watch the game. I mean it was on the same time as liverpools match so highly doubt he'd have watched stoke version of Arsenal over the mighty reds.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I've come to the conclusion he's a fair weather supporter who didn't like football during the 30 year period Liverpool were nothing.

He's back and enjoying his team doing fantastic.. Fair enough. But doesn't half make himself look a clueless guy sometime.

Like saying wolves had 3/4 great chances last week. Clearly didn't watch the game. I mean it was on the same time as liverpools match so highly doubt he'd have watched stoke version of Arsenal over the mighty reds.

Tbf all Asian Liverpool supporters are like this. They always dissappear when their team isn't doing well, then act like it's Eid every day when they are doing well.

He's said now it's in the bag if Liverpool win today And Arsenal don't win tomorrow. Will see if hes man enough to stick to his guns.

Yeah he probably didn't watch the Arsenal game last week.

 

[KingKhanWC]

From analysing refs to analysing supporters lol

Arsenal fans need to focus on the team, still in 3 competitions, beat city and title race is still very much on .

focus on 9 points

 

[MK7Z]

From analysing refs to analysing supporters lol

Arsenal fans need to focus on the team, still in 3 competitions, beat city and title race is still very much on .

focus on 9 points

Why don't you focus on your own team Xxx

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I'll be cheering Arsenal on tomorrow, would love Merino to score but I'd even be fine with Lewis-Skelly scoring the winner even though he should still be banned . . . .

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why don't you focus on your own team Xxx

I hope there is a title race , arsenal believe it too, we have something in common.

Lets see how the nerves play our tomorrow. Enjoy the match, glory is not void yet

 

[KingKhanWC]

I'll be cheering Arsenal on tomorrow, would love Merino to score but I'd even be fine with Lewis-Skelly scoring the winner even though he should still be banned . . . .

If merino scores and arsenal win , I'd concede the trophy to arsenal, it's written.