Arsenal FC | 2024/25 Season

[Geordie Ahmed]

Debryune, Gundogan, Rodri were always the aces in the pack for City. Without this quality, City are no where near the same side

They are basically going to have to enter a rebuild phase, this season is done for and I think next season they won't be challenging either

Focus for Pep will be on using the next 6-18 months to get the rebuild done and ready to challenge again the season after

 

[aboveandbeyond]

They are basically going to have to enter a rebuild phase, this season is done for and I think next season they won't be challenging either

Focus for Pep will be on using the next 6-18 months to get the rebuild done and ready to challenge again the season after

Pep will basically wave his magic wand . The Cheque book.

 

[MK7Z]

2 academy teenagers score.. But apparently one poster claims we need to investigate why nobody coming through our academy

Guess he will have to wait until he says it's in the bag. Anyways Liverpool still favourites and the only thing we can do is make them work for it at the minimum.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Pep will basically wave his magic wand . The Cheque book.

Saying it's down to The Cheque book belittles what he has achieved

They've spent this window but not sure that will be enough to fix their issues

Their midfield needs rebuilding, especially need cover/alternative for Rodri, I am surprised that a DM signing hasn't been made by them

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Been a successful day of "supporting" Arsenal but that's me done now until you face someone that we need to drop points (Think Forest is the next one, see you then )

 

[Amjid Javed]

2 academy teenagers score.. But apparently one poster claims we need to investigate why nobody coming through our academy

Guess he will have to wait until he says it's in the bag. Anyways Liverpool still favourites and the only thing we can do is make them work for it at the minimum.

It's one less game to play, still huge Advantage to Liverpool.

Like I said before the game, What other teams do is irrelevant. Arsenal need to get their own form in order 1st. 1 game at a time, Newcastle next.

Liverpool are doing their job, so the rest of pack just have to focus on doing what they can.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Been a successful day of "supporting" Arsenal but that's me done now until you face someone that we need to drop points (Think Forest is the next one, see you then )

Don't forget to but your merchandise from the Club shop.

I'm sure ul be back with your begging bowl again.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Not even Oliver could have saved City

It was fairly obvious you would beat them, right now you are a much better side than them

If City ain't that good. Why were you begging for favours?

Like I said before the game, go beat City yourself next weekend.

No one is going to gift you a CL spot, go earn it yourself.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I was being sarcastic so you're the clueless one

I am glad you won, keeps City level on points and we play them next in the league

Although, I would rather it was a tight win but can't complain too much.

You are aware whether I wanted Arsenal to win or not, it had no impact on Arsenal hammering City? Please tell you actually realise this? Unless you think I have some special powers where I can convince teams to batter other teams (news alert, if I had such powers I'd use them on my team).

So if you end up beating us on Wednesday it has absolutely nothing to do with my thoughts, wishes or feelings

Waffling excuses as usual.

Best result for Newcastle would have been a draw. Your talking about favours when we play forrest. Yet before thos game forrest had same points as us. So you could in theory catch both teams.

Yet you weirdly wanted an Arsenal. Any sort of Arsenal win here was going to give them confidence going into next game.

So why ud want a team your playing next to regain confidence, form or momentum is just plain dumb.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

If City ain't that good. Why were you begging for favours?

Like I said before the game, go beat City yourself next weekend.

No one is going to gift you a CL spot, go earn it yourself.

Who begged for favours? Do you think hoping for something equates to begging?

If you hope for a promotion at work or hope for a decent bonus, does that mean you begged for it?

Because you are a better team than them I can't want you to win the game? What kind of strange logic is that?

We can't beat them next weekend

And finally, something we agree on, if we get a CL spot it will have been earned, if we don't then we only have ourselves to blame.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Partey not on cos of his goal... Phenomenal!
Absolute monster

Rice with 2 assists to. He's really stepped up the last few games to the level of last season.

Great win.

Always makes a difference when he's back in the middle, hopefully this nonsense of playing him RB will be put to bed once and for all.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Who begged for favours? Do you think hoping for something equates to begging?

If you hope for a promotion at work or hope for a decent bonus, does that mean you begged for it?

Because you are a better team than them I can't want you to win the game? What kind of strange logic is that?

We can't beat them next weekend

And finally, something we agree on, if we get a CL spot it will have been earned, if we don't then we only have ourselves to blame.

You openly said before the game you would be cheering Arsenal on. Also saying you needed a favour.

That's basically begging.

Huge difference to saying I hope a man city drop points between now and end of the season.

Using the work promotion, bonus thing as similar example is hilarious. Not even the same context.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Waffling excuses as usual.

Best result for Newcastle would have been a draw. Your talking about favours when we play forrest. Yet before thos game forrest had same points as us. So you could in theory catch both teams.

Yet you weirdly wanted an Arsenal. Any sort of Arsenal win here was going to give them confidence going into next game.

So why ud want a team your playing next to regain confidence, form or momentum is just plain dumb.

Because I watch football and I have a decent understanding of how it works, you will finish ahead of Forest, I have no doubts about that so you beating Forest is a better result for us

So no, it's not weird to want Arsenal to win, just like you hoping for Liverpool-City to draw last season wasn't weird (remember I have the screenshot )

You are the only one that claims to think like you do (even though my screenshot proved otherwise)

What's dumb is that your team got an impressive win and yet here you are arguing with a "loser". Or maybe it's the embarrassment that a manager you think is useless got a comprehensive win.

Actually, I've worked it out, the reason you don't want Liverpool to drop points is that deep down you don't want Arteta to win the league, because it means you won't be able to celebrate it properly. One the one hand you'd be happy and on the other hand you'd have been proven completely wrong. You do have my sympathy for such a conundrum, so for your sake I hope Liverpool keep winning

 

[Amjid Javed]

Because I watch football and I have a decent understanding of how it works, you will finish ahead of Forest, I have no doubts about that so you beating Forest is a better result for us

So no, it's not weird to want Arsenal to win, just like you hoping for Liverpool-City to draw last season wasn't weird (remember I have the screenshot )

You are the only one that claims to think like you do (even though my screenshot proved otherwise)

What's dumb is that your team got an impressive win and yet here you are arguing with a "loser". Or maybe it's the embarrassment that a manager you think is useless got a comprehensive win.

Actually, I've worked it out, the reason you don't want Liverpool to drop points is that deep down you don't want Arteta to win the league, because it means you won't be able to celebrate it properly. One the one hand you'd be happy and on the other hand you'd have been proven completely wrong. You do have my sympathy for such a conundrum, so for your sake I hope Liverpool keep winning

Yet more waffling and nonsense. You seem to be to a roll

- MLS was a red card
- PGMOL referees going to Saudi isn't a conflict of interest
- I hope and pray Arsenal win

You have zero understanding of how football works, and the 3 list above topics are proof of that.

Now your resorting to making things up desperation at its finest.

Where did I say I didn't Liverpool to drop points? I replied to a message from @KingKhanWC saying that Liverpool will drop points and so will Arsenal. My point all season has been consistent, this current Arsenal team have shown that when Liverpool do drop points they haven't take advantage.

Liverpool in last 12 PL games, have dropped points in 4 games. In that same time period Arsenal have accumulated same points. Meaning they have failed to take Advantage.

Also the fact I've called for better signings and manager is for the purpose of winning titles. Why because I want my team to win stuff.

Unlike you whose happy to rent your urself to other teams for the purpose of being a beggar.

I support Arsenal football club, not Arteta FC. So nonsense you've just come up with is even more hilarious then the rubbish uve rambled all week.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Who begged for favours? Do you think hoping for something equates to begging?

If you hope for a promotion at work or hope for a decent bonus, does that mean you begged for it?

If I wanted a promotion or pay rise, then I'd work hard and I'd be solely focused on my own performance.

Rather then for example begging others by brown nosing them, which is the equivalent of someone supporting another football team as a favour.

I dont ask for favours in work place, I strive to be best based on what I do.

To answer your pointless question.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Yet more waffling and nonsense. You seem to be to a roll

- MLS was a red card
- PGMOL referees going to Saudi isn't a conflict of interest
- I hope and pray Arsenal win

You have zero understanding of how football works, and the 3 list above topics are proof of that.

Now your resorting to making things up desperation at its finest.

Where did I say I didn't Liverpool to drop points? I replied to a message from @KingKhanWC saying that Liverpool will drop points and so will Arsenal. My point all season has been consistent, this current Arsenal team have shown that when Liverpool do drop points they haven't take advantage.

Liverpool in last 12 PL games, have dropped points in 4 games. In that same time period Arsenal have accumulated same points. Meaning they have failed to take Advantage.

Also the fact I've called for better signings and manager is for the purpose of winning titles. Why because I want my team to win stuff.

Unlike you whose happy to rent your urself to other teams for the purpose of being a beggar.

I support Arsenal football club, not Arteta FC. So nonsense you've just come up with is even more hilarious then the rubbish uve rambled all week.

Show me where I said I "pray" Arsenal win?

I don't make a mockery of prayer, far more important things to utilise that on so I'd like to know where I said that?

I'm now confused, do you want Liverpool to drop points or not?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

You openly said before the game you would be cheering Arsenal on. Also saying you needed a favour.

That's basically begging.

Huge difference to saying I hope a man city drop points between now and end of the season.

Using the work promotion, bonus thing as similar example is hilarious. Not even the same context.

Seems like a post of mine has been deleted so I will rephrase it because I think it was a good question

I said the following to my daughter earlier

Me: "Can you do me a favour, can you get me a glass of water?"

In your head is that basically begging?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

If I wanted a promotion or pay rise, then I'd work hard and I'd be solely focused on my own performance.

Rather then for example begging others by brown nosing them, which is the equivalent of someone supporting another football team as a favour.

I dont ask for favours in work place, I strive to be best based on what I do.

To answer your pointless question.

Pointless question yet you answered with waffle

Basically the question had you rattled and exposed your strange comments where you equate hoping for something to begging

Although, if English isn't your first language then I take a lot of the conversation back as that probably explains why a lot of what you are saying doesn't make sense

 

[Amjid Javed]

Show me where I said I "pray" Arsenal win?

I don't make a mockery of prayer, far more important things to utilise that on so I'd like to know where I said that?

I'm now confused, do you want Liverpool to drop points or not?

Oh I know your confused, I can tell from all your posts.

Again to Answer your question. My focus is Arsenal not anyone else.

Until Arsenal go on any sort of meaningful run of consecutive wins, what anyone else does is irrelevant.

I already numerous times this season Liverpool will drop points. Guess what no one has taken advantage.

I guarantee you want man city to keep dropping points?

What good is thst scenario, if at the sane time Newcastle don't get their own house in order and take advantage?

Same applies to Arsenal, they will one minute hand a hammering to someone and the next minute draw games they shouldn't have.

So until Arsenal improve their inconsistency form espcially against sides in top half, everything else is irrelevant.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Pointless question yet you answered with waffle

Basically the question had you rattled and exposed your strange comments where you equate hoping for something to begging

Although, if English isn't your first language then I take a lot of the conversation back as that probably explains why a lot of what you are saying doesn't make sense

Not even remotely rattled, you asked a dumb question and I respectful gave you an answer.

Also what's English being My 1st, 2nd, 3rd language got to do with anything?

It's quite clear your fluent in talking nonsense, so should I presume waffling is your 1st language?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Oh I know your confused, I can tell from all your posts.

Again to Answer your question. My focus is Arsenal not anyone else.

Until Arsenal go on any sort of meaningful run of consecutive wins, what anyone else does is irrelevant.

I already numerous times this season Liverpool will drop points. Guess what no one has taken advantage.

I guarantee you want man city to keep dropping points?

What good is thst scenario, if at the sane time Newcastle don't get their own house in order and take advantage?

Same applies to Arsenal, they will one minute hand a hammering to someone and the next minute draw games they shouldn't have.

So until Arsenal improve their inconsistency form espcially against sides in top half, everything else is irrelevant.

You haven't answered the question, you've just dodged it

Do you want Liverpool to drop points? The possible answers are yes, no or don't care

Yes is what an Arsenal fan would want. No is what a Liverpool fan, Spurs fan and anyone that dislikes Arsenal more than Liverpool would say. Don't care is the response from someone that doesn't support either teams and doesn't dislike either teams.

I'm still trying to work out if your answer is yes, no or don't care.

I absolutely want Man City to drop points, I also want Forest, Chelsea, Bournemouth, Villa etc to drop points too

Of course we need to take advantage, I know that, just as you would need to take advantage if Liverpool drop points but I can do both at the same time, it's not mutually exclusive. I want those teams to drop points at the same time as wanting us to always win.

I'm actually staggered at your stance, it's so strange, I've honestly never met a football fan that thinks like you. I still remember the Aguerooooooo moment vividly, I watched it with a Man U fan and know many others that were watching it, were they all losers for wanting QPR to hold on?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Not even remotely rattled, you asked a dumb question and I respectful gave you an answer.

Also what's English being My 1st, 2nd, 3rd language got to do with anything?

It's quite clear your fluent in talking nonsense, so should I presume waffling is your 1st language?

Because you seem to think hoping for something is the same as begging?

I don't think you actually believe that but it's what you are going with and that's what I am trying to establish

So I'll ask a direct question, is hoping for City to drop points (or Forest or Chelsea etc) basically begging?

 

[Mamoon]

@Amjid Javed when Arsenal win the league under Arteta.

 

[Mamoon]

Skelly and Nwaneri are elite talents. As good as it gets at 17 and 18 unless you are Messi, Mbappe or Yamal.


Skelly has already made the LWB his own, but Nwaneri is also very close to cementing his place in the starting XI.

Arsenal is a different side with these two on the pitch.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Skelly and Nwaneri are elite talents. As good as it gets at 17 and 18 unless you are Messi, Mbappe or Yamal.


Skelly has already made the LWB his own, but Nwaneri is also very close to cementing his place in the starting XI.

Arsenal is a different side with these two on the pitch.

Thought Arsenal were ok at best, before City's traditional collapse .

 

[Amjid Javed]

You haven't answered the question, you've just dodged it

Do you want Liverpool to drop points? The possible answers are yes, no or don't care

Yes is what an Arsenal fan would want. No is what a Liverpool fan, Spurs fan and anyone that dislikes Arsenal more than Liverpool would say. Don't care is the response from someone that doesn't support either teams and doesn't dislike either teams.

I'm still trying to work out if your answer is yes, no or don't care.

I absolutely want Man City to drop points, I also want Forest, Chelsea, Bournemouth, Villa etc to drop points too

Of course we need to take advantage, I know that, just as you would need to take advantage if Liverpool drop points but I can do both at the same time, it's not mutually exclusive. I want those teams to drop points at the same time as wanting us to always win.

I'm actually staggered at your stance, it's so strange, I've honestly never met a football fan that thinks like you. I still remember the Aguerooooooo moment vividly, I watched it with a Man U fan and know many others that were watching it, were they all losers for wanting QPR to hold on?

Liverpool will drop points, I don't need to hope or ask favours from other teams.

do I think Arsenal can take advantage and create a 10 point swing? No

So from what I've seen so far this season, I don't think Arsenal can't do that. I'm not going to resort to ask for favours from others.

Nor am I getting carried away by today win, as Arsenal have shown they can take apart sides who go toe to toe against them. But can't get over the hurdle of winning games where chances are limited.

Liverpool are ahead because they have found ways to win or get points when yoh have to do it in an ugly fashion.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Because you seem to think hoping for something is the same as begging?

I don't think you actually believe that but it's what you are going with and that's what I am trying to establish

So I'll ask a direct question, is hoping for City to drop points (or Forest or Chelsea etc) basically begging?

Saying you hope city drop points In next few games and actively saying your wanting another specific team to win are two completely different things.

 

[Mamoon]

Liverpool remaining fixtures:

24. Everton (A)
25. Wolves (H)
26. City (A)
27. Newcastle (H)
28. Southampton (H)
29. Aston Villa (A)
30. Everton (H)
31. Fulham (A)
32. West Ham (H)
33. Leicester (A)
34. Spurs (H)
35. Chelsea (A)
36. Arsenal (H)
37. Brighton (A)
38. Crystal Palace (H)

This is far from a straightforward run-in. They have around 10 fixtures where they can easily drop points. They have won such games all season but end of season fatigue and pressure can do funny things to you.

MW 34 to MW 37 where they play Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal and Brighton could very well decide the title.

If Liverpool can get through these fixtures unscathed, fair play to them - they will be worthy winners, but if Arsenal are at their heels and are 5-6 points behind with 6-7 matches to go, they can slip up.

If Arsenal can go on a similar run as last season, they can still win the league. There is no doubt about it. They have some tricky fixtures too, but their run-in is easier than last season and also easier than Liverpool’s.

Arsenal’s fixtures in the first half of the season were probably as difficult as they get and combined with all the injuries, they are not in a terrible position at all, so you have to wonder if all the criticism directed at Arsenal & Arteta this season has been somewhat unjustified given the fact that Arsenal could have easily been third or fourth given the combination of fixtures, injuries and dodgy red cards.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Saying you hope city drop points In next few games and actively saying your wanting another specific team to win are two completely different things.

How is it different, wanting Arsenal to win and City to drop points is one and the same, the end outcome is what matters

I dislike Man U but if it benefits us I would hope they can beat a team

Like I say, it seems your problem is with the language.

If I said I hope City drop points, that is fine?

But if I said I hope Arsenal win against City, that isn't fine?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Liverpool will drop points, I don't need to hope or ask favours from other teams.

do I think Arsenal can take advantage and create a 10 point swing? No

So from what I've seen so far this season, I don't think Arsenal can't do that. I'm not going to resort to ask for favours from others.

Nor am I getting carried away by today win, as Arsenal have shown they can take apart sides who go toe to toe against them. But can't get over the hurdle of winning games where chances are limited.

Liverpool are ahead because they have found ways to win or get points when yoh have to do it in an ugly fashion.

I have no issue with you thinking Arsenal can't do it, I understand that, Liverpool are the favourites but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion, I think you have the edge when it comes to the fixtures but is it enough to create the 10 point swing? Time will tell

I assume you go into every match wanting Arsenal to win? Again, perfectly normal

So if Arsenal win every game, the only way they can win the league is for Liverpool to drop points, for that to happen you can hope for them to drop points

I just find it baffling how you seem so fixated on this completely normal point

 

[Amjid Javed]

Let's deal with reality.

- the Gap is 9 points with 15 games to go (meaning Arsenal have to gain 10 more points than Liverpool from those fixtures)
- Liverpool and Arsenal are in similar form won 8, drawn 4 from last 12 PL games
- Arsenal form against teams in top ten is poor, 2 wins against Forrest and Villa

So essentially you Arsenal would need to do what they did last season and pretty much win atleast 13 of the remaining fixture, also Liverpool would need to collapse big time. On top of that Arsenal have no saka and the forward line is misfiring.

It's called being realistic, rather then delusional. Also Slot is rotating the team in all competitions, unlike klopp who basically ran your key players into the ground last seaaon.

For Arsenal it's one game at a time. Beat City (im watching game with two mates, who support city) so I want us to beat City well today. Then its Newcastle in league cup.

Their is no title race right now, unless Liverpool implode and make into a race.

@Geordie Ahmed to save me time having to repeat myself.

Here is what I posted earlier today.

I already said for Arsenal to even get back this into a title Race they would need to win atleast 13 games (15 games left before the city game)

You don't over turn such a gap unless you are near perfect.

We saw Arsenal bottled an 8 point and a 15 point swing over an 8 game period 2 seasons ago. In that time Man city won every single fixture in PL during that run in.

So Again Arsenal would have to go a huge run of form for that to happen. Plus Liverpool would need to implode.

Also both teams are still in other competitions and have to rotate. So the likeliness is both teams will drop points. Reality is Arsenal can't afford to drip points.

Look at Arsenal draw in CL, they have real / city / bayern / athletico etc.. all on their side of the draw. So whilst we may have favourable PL fixtures, we ain't going to get any easy ones in CL. We already seen this team struggles with rotation.

Most of all Arsenal need a striker. When your clubs leading all time goal scorer tells you after uve hammered city 5-1 that you still need a striker you listen.

Why because when it comes to games where will have limited chances. The lack of clinical edge will be exposed again.

That's where Liverpool have the edge, they've looked like dropping points in quite a lot of games but have got the job done. Ultimately that will be one of the deciding factors.

 

[MK7Z]

I've not read much of the last few posts. Don't want to get involved.

However another shocking piece of refeering that shouldn't be brushed on the carpet was Bernado Silva kicking out......

Comments anyone?

Odegaard gets booked for losing his head after a stupid foul given against him.

Make it make sense

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I've not read much of the last few posts. Don't want to get involved.

However another shocking piece of refeering that shouldn't be brushed on the carpet was Bernado Silva kicking out......

Comments anyone?

Odegaard gets booked for losing his head after a stupid foul given against him.

Make it make sense

I don't blame you, I wrote and read them and I am beyond bored

Is this the Trossard one? I only half saw it so can't comment, definitely looked intentional to me and assumed he would have got booked for it, not seen a replay if it should have been more than that

The Odegaard one, on first viewing I thought it was a good tackle but the replay I saw showed he got the player first so the decision was correct but he didn't get booked for the foul, his reaction was over the top and ultimately you can't defend that (I hate it when our players get booked for such things, it's a cheap and needless yellow, Gordon is the worst for it in our team)

 

[Amjid Javed]

Most normal fans will look at their own teams fixtures as well as the opposition

I said a while back that on paper Arsenal have the better fixtures

Liverpool have 5 of the current top 10 to play away with 2 at home (1 of which is the game against Arsenal)

Arsenal have 2 of the current top 10 to play away (1 of which is the game at Anfield) with 4 at home

Of course football isn't played on paper but that's why Arsenal need to stay in touching distance and hope (sorry, I mean be losers) that Liverpool will drop points along the way

So uve gone about the remaining fixtures and how Liverpool on paper have more difficult fixtures on paper. Which from an away game perspective il say fair enough.

So let's say from a hypothetical point of view as of right now we go with fixtures up until the Liverpool vs Arsenal game at Anfield (3rd to last game)

Liverpool 56 points - 23 games
Arsenal 50 points - 24 games

So if Liverpool from a hypothetical point of view, replicate their form of the last 12 games - 8 wins, 4 draws (dropping point is 4 games) in the next 12 fixtures.

That leaves them with

Liverpool 84 points from 35 games going into the home game vs Arsenal

The maximum points Arsenal can get from the next 11 games is 33 points.

Which then mean

Liverpool 84 points from 35
Arsenal 83 points from 35

That's a scenario of Liverpool dropping points in 4 games and Arsenal having to win all their games.

So this goes back to my point I made this morning where I said Arsenal would have to pretty much replicate what they did at back end of last season. Not only that but, they would have to win at Anfield.

So essentially Liverpool would drop points in 5 games out of last 15 and Arsenal would have to win 13+ games.

That's also taking into account both teams being in CL etc.. as well.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I've not read much of the last few posts. Don't want to get involved.

Don't worry he's just waffling as usual

1st it was MLS wasn't a red, then PGMOL referees are all good, then his latest nonsense that Arsenal fans should be begging for favours..

 

[MK7Z]

I don't blame you, I wrote and read them and I am beyond bored

Is this the Trossard one? I only half saw it so can't comment, definitely looked intentional to me and assumed he would have got booked for it, not seen a replay if it should have been more than that

The Odegaard one, on first viewing I thought it was a good tackle but the replay I saw showed he got the player first so the decision was correct but he didn't get booked for the foul, his reaction was over the top and ultimately you can't defend that (I hate it when our players get booked for such things, it's a cheap and needless yellow, Gordon is the worst for it in our team)

67 mins 45 seconds

My point was not that it was a incorrect yellow for Martin it was more he got booked for dissent but Silva can kick someone after the whistle and get nothing.

So emotional reactions are punished more than thuggery

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Don't worry he's just waffling as usual

1st it was MLS wasn't a red, then PGMOL referees are all good, then his latest nonsense that Arsenal fans should be begging for favours..

Never once said that, however not the first time you lied today so not surprised you are lying again

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

67 mins 45 seconds

My point was not that it was a incorrect yellow for Martin it was more he got booked for dissent but Silva can kick someone after the whistle and get nothing.

So emotional reactions are punished more than thuggery

Reactions are easy bookings to give, especially when they were as clear as Odegaard's, as soon as he started doing it I knew what was coming

If the ref missed the kick, it all depends on how he described the incident otherwise VAR can't get involved unless it is a red card offence

 

[Amjid Javed]

Never once said that, however not the first time you lied today so not surprised you are lying again

Not lied at all, as you've continually asked if I wanted Liverpool to drop points.

Which was your way of seeing if I would beg for favours from other teams.

Your not fooling anyone with your nonsense

 

[Amjid Javed]

I've not read much of the last few posts. Don't want to get involved.

However another shocking piece of refeering that shouldn't be brushed on the carpet was Bernado Silva kicking out......

Comments anyone?

Odegaard gets booked for losing his head after a stupid foul given against him.

Make it make sense

VAR didn't see the Bernado incident. They were busy on phone arranging next all expenses paid trip to Saudi Courtesey of man city and Newcastle owners. More important matters to deal with

 

[Amjid Javed]

Never once said that, however not the first time you lied today so not surprised you are lying again

You practically were looking for an answer, where Arsenal would need favours from otheres (Liverpool dropping points). That's you insinuating that's Arsenal would want favours.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Not lied at all, as you've continually asked if I wanted Liverpool to drop points.

Which was your way of seeing if I would beg for favours from other teams.

Your not fooling anyone with your nonsense

You have been evasive throughout, this isn't a court of law

I never once said you should beg others for favours, I absolutely think it's normal for Arsenal fans to hope Liverpool drop points, not sure why you are struggling with that

I guarantee every other Arsenal fan in this thread hopes Liverpool drop points, yet you don't for some strange reason

And you somehow equate hoping for something to begging, never read so much bakwaas before

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

You practically were looking for an answer, where Arsenal would need favours from otheres (Liverpool dropping points). That's you insinuating that's Arsenal would want favours.

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I know for a fact Arsenal fans hope Liverpool drop points, I just find it weird why you don't hope the same

And for the record I'm not the one saying hoping is the same as begging, that's your absurd logic

Just to be clear because you seem to be struggling with this entire conversation, hoping for a team to drop points or hoping for a team to win is not begging, never has been and never will be. Only you think that way

 

[Amjid Javed]

I know for a fact Arsenal fans hope Liverpool drop points, I just find it weird why you don't hope the same

And for the record I'm not the one saying hoping is the same as begging, that's your absurd logic

Just to be clear because you seem to be struggling with this entire conversation, hoping for a team to drop points or hoping for a team to win is not begging, never has been and never will be. Only you think that way

Only thing I'm struggling with is the continual nonsense your coming up with.

You keep asking the same question.

Liverpool have 15 games left, Liverpool will drop points in those games. (Is that clear enough English for you?)

I don't need to hope, pray, beg that they will drop points. They are going to drop points. (Again is that clear enough English for you?)

So again when Liverpool drop points, like they have in last 12 games (4 times). Are Arsenal going to be in a position to capitalise on that? (Again is this clear enough English for you?)

So far this season Arsenal have not capitalised. So until Arsenal first go on a run of 7 or 8 wins in a row, which is essentially what is going to be needed in 1st place to apply pressure. What Liverpool do is irrelevant.

In any title, top 4 race, relegation battle etc.. momentum is crucial. Right now Arsenal haven't got into momentum over a sustained period of games in the league.

The fact you can't understand that shows your a lost cause.

Finally go look at Arsenal captains interview after the game when he was asked about the title race. He said that Arsenal had to focus on themselves.

Exactly the point I made! Focus on your own team, not others.

Go focus on your team for 2nd leg semi final, il focus on mine.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Only thing I'm struggling with is the continual nonsense your coming up with.

You keep asking the same question.

Liverpool have 15 games left, Liverpool will drop points in those games. (Is that clear enough English for you?)

I don't need to hope, pray, beg that they will drop points. They are going to drop points. (Again is that clear enough English for you?)

So again when Liverpool drop points, like they have in last 12 games (4 times). Are Arsenal going to be in a position to capitalise on that? (Again is this clear enough English for you?)

So far this season Arsenal have not capitalised. So until Arsenal first go on a run of 7 or 8 wins in a row, which is essentially what is going to be needed in 1st place to apply pressure. What Liverpool do is irrelevant.

In any title, top 4 race, relegation battle etc.. momentum is crucial. Right now Arsenal haven't got into momentum over a sustained period of games in the league.

The fact you can't understand that shows your a lost cause.

Finally go look at Arsenal captains interview after the game when he was asked about the title race. He said that Arsenal had to focus on themselves.

Exactly the point I made! Focus on your own team, not others.

Go focus on your team for 2nd leg semi final, il focus on mine.

I am not expecting any answer, you are just evading it and then writing a novel and the reason you are doing that is because you know you have been caught out

Because this has been going on for way too long, all because you got upset I dared to think LMS was a sending off, I'll ask this one final simple question below (which is my primary issue all along). If you can't answer the question succinctly then please just ignore it.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I am not expecting any answer, you are just evading it and then writing a novel and the reason you are doing that is because you know you have been caught out

Because this has been going on for way too long, all because you got upset I dared to think LMS was a sending off, I'll ask this one final simple question below (which is my primary issue all along). If you can't answer the question succinctly then please just ignore it.

I gave you an answer, you don't like my answer.

Just because other Arsenal fans will openly support spurs or beg for favours from other teams, doesn't mean every fan in the fan base will.

My focus is Arsenal, I don't care about other teams.

Feel free to support Arsenal again as a guest in the final, after you get knocked out of the league cup midweek.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Just seen Arsenal are unlikely to push forward for deal to sign Tel from Bayern

Although a striker is needed, seems a bit bizarre they would not take someone that offers something from out wide

 

[Amjid Javed]

Just seen Arsenal are unlikely to push forward for deal to sign Tel from Bayern

Although a striker is needed, seems a bit bizarre they would not take someone that offers something from out wide

You seem more concerned about Arsenal than you do your own team.

Go worry about the other 17 PL teams your currently supporting this season.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

You seem more concerned about Arsenal than you do your own team.

Go worry about the other 17 PL teams your currently supporting this season.

I'm talking about football, if it upsets you then I suggest you step away from your computer and have a cry about it

There are plenty of other Arsenal fans in this thread that are sensible and can have adult conversations, feel free to ignore me if you are incapable of having such conversations

 

[Amjid Javed]

I'm talking about football, if it upsets you then I suggest you step away from your computer and have a cry about it

There are plenty of other Arsenal fans in this thread that are sensible and can have adult conversations, feel free to ignore me if you are incapable of having such conversations

I'm not crying at all, just making a point you seen more concerned about Arsenal than you do Newcastle

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I'm not crying at all, just making a point you seen more concerned about Arsenal than you do Newcastle

You seem upset about it, it's the most active football related thread and I like talking about football

I've had active discussions on this thread before, it's never bothered you before, so I'm wondering why it's all of a sudden an issue now that you need to raise it?

I agreed to let the previous conversation go since you were incapable/unwilling to answer a basic question, are you so upset about that you now feel the need to act like a child and make an irrelevant comment?

Unless I'm mistaken, you don't own this thread so therefore you don't get to decide who can and can't comment

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Geordie Ahmed prediction for midweek seen as though 2 of your teams are playing?

 

[Amjid Javed]

You seem upset about it, it's the most active football related thread and I like talking about football

I've had active discussions on this thread before, it's never bothered you before, so I'm wondering why it's all of a sudden an issue now that you need to raise it?

I agreed to let the previous conversation go since you were incapable/unwilling to answer a basic question, are you so upset about that you now feel the need to act like a child and make an irrelevant comment?

Unless I'm mistaken, you don't own this thread so therefore you don't get to decide who can and can't comment

rattled.

Where did I say I owned this thread?

I simply commented you make more comments on Arsenal then you do on your own. Team. That's a fact.

Not my fault you don't like the truth

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

rattled.

Where did I say I owned this thread?

I simply commented you make more comments on Arsenal then you do on your own. Team. That's a fact.

Not my fault you don't like the truth

Your behaviour indicates that with comments such as "Go worry" and "you seen more concerned about Arsenal than you do Newcastle"

I do make more comments on Arsenal here because it's the most active football thread, you'll see the same for fans of other teams. I haven't claimed otherwise

There is no truth to dislike, only thing I don't like is you trying to claim ownership of this thread

So my advice is, be adult about having a conversation, if you have nothing to say to any of my football posts then feel free to ignore them and move on

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

@Geordie Ahmed prediction for midweek seen as though 2 of your teams are playing?

I actually said a month ago after the 1st leg that it is only half time and that the 2nd leg is a month away so a lot can happen between then and now

You though was quick to declare the tie is over and if I'm not mistaken you hoped we win the final?

As it happens, if the tie was the week after I would have been way more confident we would win the tie. Since then our performances have been poor, especially at home so the confidence is very low. If you score early it could make for an uncomfortable evening

 

[Amjid Javed]

Actually, I've worked it out, the reason you don't want Liverpool to drop points is that deep down you don't want Arteta to win the league, because it means you won't be able to celebrate it properly. One the one hand you'd be happy and on the other hand you'd have been proven completely wrong. You do have my sympathy for such a conundrum, so for your sake I hope Liverpool keep winning

Ok let me call out yet more wild silly baseless theories from you.

The club is called Arsenal Football club, not Arteta fan boys club.

seems the modern day fans seem to think a manager or player now is above the club.

Oh if you don't support Arteta your not a fan

Oh if you don't sing the haverz song your not a fan

Oh of you don't think Odegaard is world class your not a fa

Oh if you don't want other teams to drop points your not a fan

Oh if you didn't support Spurs vs City last season, your not a fan.

Absolutely grade A rubbish.

Let me ask you a question are you a fan of Shan masood as Pakistan captain? There are probably not many fans

Yet do you hear fans going Oh you don't want Pakistan to win because you don't like masood.

People need to stop with weird fetish that now players / manages are more important then the team

If I don't think a manager or player is good enough, il say it. If I want better players or a manager as i believe it will help Arsenal win titles I say it.

Instead you bring up this nonsense that I'd don't want to win the title etc.. because I do rate x,y,z player

Really is clutching at straws.

You telling me you've rated every player and manager uve ever had at Newcastle?

If fans are that bothered about players over the club, they feel free to leave when those players / managers move on.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It's one less game to play, still huge Advantage to Liverpool.

Like I said before the game, What other teams do is irrelevant. Arsenal need to get their own form in order 1st. 1 game at a time, Newcastle next.

Liverpool are doing their job, so the rest of pack just have to focus on doing what they can.

You couldn't mention them, its your team , which you should focus on not other fans .

the game turned after the party strike , fortunate but poor from city thereafter .

Judging by the arsenal players, manager and fans celebration they all believe arsenal are in a title race.

liverpool aren't too concerned with other teams , win most of the remaining matches. Arsenal and everyone inc lfc will drop points yet .

 

[MK7Z]

Another FAILED transfer window.

Probably thinking winnable fixtures without Saka until he is back. Pathetic planning and logic.

We knew we'd not sign anyone so how do we expect to excel.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Another FAILED transfer window.

Probably thinking winnable fixtures without Saka until he is back. Pathetic planning and logic.

We knew we'd not sign anyone so how do we expect to excel.

But have you not seen all the new merchandise the club is selling.

World class merchandise

World class PR

World class cheerleaders

We even have other teams fans wanting to support us

Anyways even stevie wonder could tell you Arsenal are never serious in January

Then again we weren't serious in summer either

 

[MK7Z]

But have you not seen all the new merchandise the club is selling.

World class merchandise

World class PR

World class cheerleaders

We even have other teams fans wanting to support us

Anyways even stevie wonder could tell you Arsenal are never serious in January

Then again we weren't serious in summer either

Gross neglect continues

 

[Amjid Javed]

Gross neglect continues

Until fan base go against it, that will continue.

The fan base have a huge say, if they started boycotting games, protesting and stopped buying merchandise.

But the club is happy following these projects, making excuses for not winning stuff.

Other big clubs the fans force clubs / owners etc.. into doing stuff.

Owners arent serious

Managers got full control as he wanted (that's why edu left) - nice 15M a year to be kronkes shield

No accountability for not winning stuff.

Those fans (not you) that have accepted failure and don't want change. Is exactly why this club won't get over the line, or dominate English football.

All kronkes sports franchises are same, if they win 1 trophy, there happy with just that. To turn thats justification of their ownership.

As much as people criticise City, Chelsea, Barca, Real owners etc.. these clubs always do what bests for their clubs to try and win trophies.

 

[MK7Z]

Until fan base go against it, that will continue.

The fan base have a huge say, if they started boycotting games, protesting and stopped buying merchandise.

But the club is happy following these projects, making excuses for not winning stuff.

Other big clubs the fans force clubs / owners etc.. into doing stuff.

Owners arent serious

Managers got full control as he wanted (that's why edu left) - nice 15M a year to be kronkes shield

No accountability for not winning stuff.

Those fans (not you) that have accepted failure and don't want change. Is exactly why this club won't get over the line, or dominate English football.

All kronkes sports franchises are same, if they win 1 trophy, there happy with just that. To turn thats justification of their ownership.

As much as people criticise City, Chelsea, Barca, Real owners etc.. these clubs always do what bests for their clubs to try and win trophies.

Bang on.

That's why my energy is majority at the ownership rather than Mikel. Nobody can claim they will reject 15 million a year to achieve top 4 consistently. He has made mistakes 100% with his signings but this window there was a chance for Kroenke's to show their ambition ( or lack of) as we needed serious attacking reinforcements.

They've done what they normally do and to be honest they will continue to do with this manager or the next.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Bang on.

That's why my energy is majority at the ownership rather than Mikel. Nobody can claim they will reject 15 million a year to achieve top 4 consistently. He has made mistakes 100% with his signings but this window there was a chance for Kroenke's to show their ambition ( or lack of) as we needed serious attacking reinforcements.

They've done what they normally do and to be honest they will continue to do with this manager or the next.

100% any sane person would take a huge wage rise, more control, no accountability in their job.

This is where kronkes have shot themselves in the foot.

Also more people are leaving internally and more legal type personel are being employed, as this is just a business to the kronkes not a football club.

Edu bring put on garden leave, plus I can guarantee he was paid off for his silence. Won't be shocked if he has an ideminity clause signed where he can't disclose anything about him leaving, or say anything about the kronkes.

Any new manager if they came in wouldn't get the luxury of loads of money to spend. They would be expected to do what they can with squad with maybe one or two additions. To be honest, I doubt they have a sucession plan in place anyways. They will just roll along with the self sustaining model and if they win something its a bonus, if not because fan base won't speak up, they won't change.

The fact that they are supposedly looking at players on the managers recommendation already, that shows even when season ends trophyless they won't be changing anything.

They are probably thinking City are rebuilding and Liverpool might lose key players and they can take advantage. They thought that if city slipped this season they would take advantage. But the unambitious summer transfer window put pay to that.

 

[MK7Z]

100% any sane person would take a huge wage rise, more control, no accountability in their job.

This is where kronkes have shot themselves in the foot.

Also more people are leaving internally and more legal type personel are being employed, as this is just a business to the kronkes not a football club.

Edu bring put on garden leave, plus I can guarantee he was paid off for his silence. Won't be shocked if he has an ideminity clause signed where he can't disclose anything about him leaving, or say anything about the kronkes.

Any new manager if they came in wouldn't get the luxury of loads of money to spend. They would be expected to do what they can with squad with maybe one or two additions. To be honest, I doubt they have a sucession plan in place anyways. They will just roll along with the self sustaining model and if they win something its a bonus, if not because fan base won't speak up, they won't change.

The fact that they are supposedly looking at players on the managers recommendation already, that shows even when season ends trophyless they won't be changing anything.

They are probably thinking City are rebuilding and Liverpool might lose key players and they can take advantage. They thought that if city slipped this season they would take advantage. But the unambitious summer transfer window put pay to that.

I remember Kroenke famously said he didn't buy Arsenal to win trophies. He bought it to make money and that's what we do.

All this about going big in the summer.. I tell you now we will not address all the issues. There will be a massive gap we neglect and pay the price next season. The fact we could not even get rid of the cry baby tells you the mess we are in when it comes to transfer windows.

We just have to hope that Ben White returns soon to take the load off Timber. MLS and Califiori can rotate with the LB position. I get the feeling Timber is an injury waiting to happen.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I remember Kroenke famously said he didn't buy Arsenal to win trophies. He bought it to make money and that's what we do.

All this about going big in the summer.. I tell you now we will not address all the issues. There will be a massive gap we neglect and pay the price next season. The fact we could not even get rid of the cry baby tells you the mess we are in when it comes to transfer windows.

We just have to hope that Ben White returns soon to take the load off Timber. MLS and Califiori can rotate with the LB position. I get the feeling Timber is an injury waiting to happen.

100% In the summer we will be short in multiple positions again. If you look at each area of the team.

Defence - white, Timber, saliba, Gabriel, Calafori, LMS

Sell / release - Tierney, Crybaby, kiwor, Tomiyasu

That's leaves Arsenal with 6 defenders, 2 who are injury prone in Timber, calafori. Arteta essentially would use both the two mentioned players are back up CBs. However as both can't stay fit, 1 injury means 2 positions are left short.

Reality is we would need 2 new defensive signings. That's excluding the fact Real Madrid want both Saliba and Gabriel. If we end season trophyless are we keeping hold of saliba?

Midfield - Rice, Odegaard and Nwaneri.

Sell release - jorghino will be let go, I think the club will sell Partey (id look to keep him for a year).

If we signed zubemendi, does that mean Rice is playing the 8 role? Merino isn't good enough. So reality again is we are going to need 2 midfield signings

Attack - apart from saka, every other player could be looked to moved on.

Is anyone going to want an injury prone Jesus, who can't score. Sterling will have his loan ended. Then you either sell trossard to Saudi, or Martinelli (I think quite a few clubs would be interested.

Then also the need for a striker.

So you end up with

Raya, Neto

White, Timber, Gabriel, saliba, calafori, LMS, new signing, new signing

Rice, Zubimendi?, new signing

Odegaard, Merino, new signing

Saka, Nwaneri, donkey, new striker, Martinelli or Trossarsd, new signing

So your essentially looking at 7 new signing or minimum 6.

In the midfield and attack areas those have to be upgrades on what we have.

So all this talk of 100M for isak, where is money for other 5 or 6 signings going to come from

With CIty likely to spend big in summer. Liverpool I guess depends on if salah and VVD staying.

Your looking at 3 teams who next season could be transitioning, and it will be whose players settle the quickest that could decide who wins stuff.

Arsenal basically wasting the last 3 transfer windows (2 January and 1 summer), means instead of having a squad to try andcompete on all fronts, we are back to same cycle of being short every window just like under wenger

one more bad window in summer, this club will take a long time to recover from the mess that's be created.

 

[Abdullah]

Liverpool remaining fixtures:

24. Everton (A)
25. Wolves (H)
26. City (A)
27. Newcastle (H)
28. Southampton (H)
29. Aston Villa (A)
30. Everton (H)
31. Fulham (A)
32. West Ham (H)
33. Leicester (A)
34. Spurs (H)
35. Chelsea (A)
36. Arsenal (H)
37. Brighton (A)
38. Crystal Palace (H)

This is far from a straightforward run-in. They have around 10 fixtures where they can easily drop points. They have won such games all season but end of season fatigue and pressure can do funny things to you.

MW 34 to MW 37 where they play Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal and Brighton could very well decide the title.

If Liverpool can get through these fixtures unscathed, fair play to them - they will be worthy winners, but if Arsenal are at their heels and are 5-6 points behind with 6-7 matches to go, they can slip up.

If Arsenal can go on a similar run as last season, they can still win the league. There is no doubt about it. They have some tricky fixtures too, but their run-in is easier than last season and also easier than Liverpool’s.

Arsenal’s fixtures in the first half of the season were probably as difficult as they get and combined with all the injuries, they are not in a terrible position at all, so you have to wonder if all the criticism directed at Arsenal & Arteta this season has been somewhat unjustified given the fact that Arsenal could have easily been third or fourth given the combination of fixtures, injuries and dodgy red cards.

I can totally see Liverpool dropping points in forthcoming games and the games you mentioned.

However I see arsenal bottling when within sight again

It's easier for you lot now as the pressure is off you. The moment it comes back...